From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #415 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 7 2003 Volume 12 : Number 415 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Addendum to Mondo Generator report [Eb ] harumph ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Re: harumph [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: possible feg-like gig? [Tom Clark ] Re: [Ebmaniax] Last night... [Tom Clark ] Re: [Ebmaniax] Last night... [Eb ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Wig In A Box (actual RH content) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Talkin' Car-Scuttlin', Coaster-Ridin' Teenage Goth Blues [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Miles Goosens ] housebound [Jill Brand ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] keanu ["cmb adams" ] Re: keanu [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Sweet & Tender Hooligan ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Sweet & Tender Hooligan ] Re: keanu [Ken Weingold ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:47:09 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Addendum to Mondo Generator report Regarding the previously forwarded, four-adjective description of myself: Said female item has requested -- nay, demanded -- that I clarify that, in fact, she *can* spell the word "occasionally," but occasionally misspells it during times of severe emotional/hormonal distress. Thank you for your cooperation in these matters. The dessert cart will come around, shortly. Eb, slippery-slope man ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 19:25:39 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: harumph >um why would that make me stay? >need a better reason........lol >that is if you sure you want an ornery old warthawg on here, your >choice......... Is my scintillating wit not enough for you? The kids have no appreciation for the art of the bon mot, these days. :P n. _________________________________________________________________ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:46:42 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: harumph Quoting Natalie Jacobs : > The kids have no appreciation for the art of the bon mot, these days. There you go with your smutty French talk again... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:06:03 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: RE: possible feg-like gig? Barbara says yes. - -tc - ------ Forwarded Message From: Eclipse Reply-To: sfbayfegs@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:01:04 -0800 To: sfbayfegs@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [sfbayfegs] FW: possible feg-like gig? Tom, 'tis true, it's them! they're playing live at the Parkway in Oakland (as t vs t) on Sunday, Nov. 16. it's a live show, not a dj show, so you're not likely to hear Sinister, but it'll be a great show all the same, with pizza, beer, and giveaways. if any of you locals decide to come on out, you can find me hanging out with the band! not sure what i'll be wearing, but i'm the curly-haired girl, maybe wearing a black knit cap with cat ears. if you see me, come on up and say hi. :) Barbara / Eclipse At 08:51 PM 11/6/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Eclipse? Care to comment? > >-tc > >------ Forwarded Message >From: Scott Hunter McCleary >Reply-To: Scott Hunter McCleary >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:39:17 -0500 >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: possible feg-like gig? > >http://sflounge.com/ > >Is the t spigot mentioned therein the same one who did the kick-ass >remix of Sinister? > >Grunty? It's Mucky dammit! ;) > >Scott >-- > >========= > >"Throughout the 20th century, small groups of men seized control of >great nations, built armies and arsenals, and set out to dominate the >weak and intimidate the world." > >-- George W. Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address > >SH McCleary >Prodigal Dog Communications >PO Box 6163 >Arlington, VA 22206 >shmac@prodigaldog.com > >www.prodigaldog.com >www.1480kHz.com > >------ End of Forwarded Message > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ :: eclipse at tuliphead dot com :: kindness towards all things is the true religion - buddha - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/JPJolB/TM - ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:13:57 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: [Ebmaniax] Last night... on 11/6/03 2:08 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > One of Lawndart's friends told me that I looked like John Malkovich. > And the doorman (one of those trying-too-hard-to-be-a-wise-guy types) > told me that I looked "gay and clammy." He was needling me for awhile > -- I never quite figured out his game. Meanwhile, a spectacularly > buxom blonde (visiting from the Hustler store up the street) said I > was "a good man," and a rock-guitarist type named Santos thought I > looked "familiar" for no discernible reason. Such a lovely mosaic of > descriptions. > > Speaking of character analysis, I had an explosive fight with a > female friend yesterday afternoon, and as part of our > kiss-and-make-up resolution, she was assigned to pass on four > complimentary adjectives about me. These are her tight-lipped > answers, verbatim: > > "1. Funny > 2. Very occassionally sweet > 3. Deadpan > 4. Challenging" > > This seems mildly instructive, somehow. Gay & clammy pretty much describes John Malkovich's look, even though he's neither from what I can tell. So, do you solicit descriptions of yourself from people, or are they just spontaneous? This must be an L.A. thing, because nobody around here just offers up info like that. - -tc nd - Plymouth Gin martini w/ pickled tomatoes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:35:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: [Ebmaniax] Last night... > > One of Lawndart's friends told me that I looked like John Malkovich. >> And the doorman (one of those trying-too-hard-to-be-a-wise-guy types) >> told me that I looked "gay and clammy." He was needling me for awhile >> -- I never quite figured out his game. Meanwhile, a spectacularly >> buxom blonde (visiting from the Hustler store up the street) said I >> was "a good man," and a rock-guitarist type named Santos thought I >> looked "familiar" for no discernible reason. Such a lovely mosaic of >> descriptions. >> >> Speaking of character analysis, I had an explosive fight with a >> female friend yesterday afternoon, and as part of our >> kiss-and-make-up resolution, she was assigned to pass on four >> complimentary adjectives about me. These are her tight-lipped >> answers, verbatim: >> >> "1. Funny >> 2. Very occassionally sweet >> 3. Deadpan >> 4. Challenging" >> > > This seems mildly instructive, somehow. > >Gay & clammy pretty much describes John Malkovich's look Yes, I suppose that's true. The "gay and clammy" guy was just a basic smart-ass, though. He seemed to spend the whole night, aimlessly trying to get under people's skin. I believe he was the same one who, after the club was closed and few people remained, loudly urged a restroom-entering woman to "Wipe your ass!" Wheeee. >So, do you solicit descriptions of yourself from people, or are they just >spontaneous? Well, the four-adjectives thing was solicited, as stated above. The other descriptions were independently volunteered. I might add that, in reaction to the above report, another femme friend wanted those four adjectives changed to "Funny/Sweet/Charming/Sexy," but obviously her sanity remains in serious question. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:17:38 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix - --On Donnerstag, 6. November 2003 20:12 Uhr -0600 steve wrote: > On Nov 6, 2003, at 2:52 PM, cmb adams wrote: > >> but yeah, the second matrix was atrocious. >> >> and the third one promises to be worse. > > > You guys are no fun. They're just HK films dressed up in black leather. I never was a huge fan of those, either. I know it's hip (or rather: used to be) to be into them, but ... > What do Fegs think of Kill Bill, V1? OK. The blood/violence didn't disturb me, because it's so over-the-top. I am one of the few people who did *not* like Pulp Fiction because of the way it depicts violence. In PF, violence is cool. In all other Tarantino movies it serves some other purpose as well. My personal favorite is still Reservoir Dogs, which I saw when it came out, not after the fact ... Back to Bill: I think Uma Thurman is just great. I also like the stylishness, but so far I'm reserving judgment. If the story doesn't at least build up a *little* in the second part, I can't really take it seriously. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:57:59 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix > From: "cmb adams" > Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix > > jake and elwood? I do see a an "on a mission from God" commonality, I do confess. > but yeah, the second matrix was atrocious. Man, I loved that film. I really did. But watching The Animatrix shorts really did go far to flesh out the concepts of the films for me. But then again, I rewatch Starship Troopers and Ghost In The Shell regularly, FWIW. > and the third one promises to be worse. I saw it last night. The plot went in a completely different direction than I expected, but I found it mostly engaging and enjoyable. Cons: quite a bit of wince-worthy dialogue, not enough of The Architect and Merv the Merovingian. Pros: more boobies, bigger explosions, and way creepy flying robot killer machines. One of my favorite things about The Matrix I've found is that they usually attract quiet, considerate crowds. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:04:21 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Wig In A Box (actual RH content) Has anyone listened to the new Hedwig covers album yet? A coworker just brought it in. Very impressive list of artists here. I just listened to Robyn's contribution. I like it! More about the album here: http://www.offrecords.com/wig.html - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:10:52 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix At 08:12 PM 11/6/2003 -0600, steve wrote: >On Nov 6, 2003, at 2:52 PM, cmb adams wrote: > >> but yeah, the second matrix was atrocious. >> >> and the third one promises to be worse. > > >You guys are no fun. They're just HK films dressed up in black leather. You've said that before when people dare criticize THE MATRIX as shallow and godawful, but if you really think that, why did you point us to the link about the Gnosis underpinnings of the story? For that matter, if you're really just doing "HK films dressed up in black leather," why do the "deeper meaning" stuff at all unless you're at least halfway serious about it? As far as I'm concerned, the moment that the Wachowskis start dropping Gnostic references left and right is like the moment that George Lucas compared himself to Kurosawa -- they're pretty much asking to be criticized on these higher levels. Saying "they're just HK films" or "they're just '30s pulp serials" once the "high art" argument starts taking on water is trying to have it both ways, and a tacit admission that these movies come up short of their aspirations. Don't get me wrong; I think it's certainly possible to have a layer of higher meaning yet deliver visceral thrills that any audience could enjoy (Kurosawa's SEVEN SAMURAI being a classic example), and I'm all for obliterating artificial divides between "high art" and "low art." But don't tell me that these sorry films pull it off. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:19:27 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Wig In A Box (actual RH content) Steve Talkowski wrote: > > Very impressive list of artists here. jings, not just Robyn, The Polyphonic Spree & TMBG, but Sleater-Kinney *with* Fred Schneider! Y'know, if they'd managed to have Julian Koster, this album would be my Kryptonite. Betcha didn't know that Mr Music Tapes & John Cameron Mitchell have been working together recently. Stewart (who is currently appearing as Mr Enormous Coat in downtown Toronto: brought to you by MEC and their Guides DryLoft 550 Parka.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:39:31 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Wig In A Box (actual RH content) Ok, i just finished my first listen and this album rocks! Standouts to me are Frank Black, Bob Mould, Sleater-Kinney, Yoko Ono & Yo La Tengo and the very anthem Cyndi Lauper w/Minus 5 "Midnight Radio". Hell, the whole thing rocks. On Nov 7, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Betcha didn't know that Mr Music Tapes & John Cameron Mitchell > have been working together recently. Considering that I have no idea who "Mr Music Tapes" is, you're right, I didn't know that. Who is he? - -Steve (saw the Matrix last night - enjoyed it better than 2 but not as much as 1, though FX and compositing wise, it totally kicked the first two's asses. The trailer for "Troy" looked mighty impressive.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:59:59 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Thread Matrix Eb: >>looked like John Malkovich >>looked "gay and clammy" >>was "a good man" >>looked "familiar" for no discernible reason* >>Funny >>Very occassionally sweet >>Deadpan >>Challenging I think I speak for all of us when I say, I wanna party with YOU! *My friend Mike who spotted you at the Throwing Muses show this year actually pointed you out to me because he thought you were a guy we used to know named Ted Alfino... dunno if that's relevant on this count, as Ted Alfino doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would hang out with a rock-guitarist type named Santos. But one never knows. That's interesting that so many specific comments were made about you in such a short span, though. You definitely had the "A" plot of that episode. I've been really pretty much in a "B" plot, supporting character mode lately. On a few different shows, actually. Eb's appears to have a stronger writing staff this season. >>there was this wacky event which they dubbed "Punk Rock Burlesque >>Bingo." Two sick-skinny girls in radically low-cut French-maid outfits passed >>out Bingo cards and crayons beforehand. >>Nudity isn't allowed at the Viper Room, but the girls basically >>peeled down to bras and panties. Two of them ended up topless with >>duct-tape crosses over their nipple bits. I've read a lot about the whole burgeoning burlesque/punk thing over the past year. The appeal is rather hazy to me, other than that's it's a sexually-charged, almost-nude-centric type of scene that women can supposedly enjoy as much as men. I chalked it up to Moulin Rouge fallout, but apparently the phenomenon has more, er, legs than that. Many of the usual LA scenester suspects seem to be involved (which is another reason I'm surprised it's lasted). __________ The Matrix conversation has come around again, but somehow I think it'll be shorter this time. I'll have to say again that I'll never understand what was so supposedly "original" and "fresh" about the first one, although I did enjoy it. Haven't seen either sequel... nor the first one since it came out. I figure sitting down and watching all three back to back to back on DVD someday down the line will be the only realy way to determine if the whole concept really went to hell as badly as everyone seems to think. - -Rex "oh, and the character names in the Matrix are just embarassing, quit it" Broome NP Echo & the Bunnymen, Porcupine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:52:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Talkin' Car-Scuttlin', Coaster-Ridin' Teenage Goth Blues "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Jeff D: > >>If you are planning to get a new car to replace > >>your heap, I highly recommend getting rear-ended a > >>few months beforehand. > > Another strategy: leave your car on the street, > especially if you live on a hill. Someone just > might run into it and destroy it for you. This certainly would work; however, if you need to be able to drive the piece of shit for another couple months, it wouldn't be that advisable since you'd be carless. so, the cretins who ruined Liz Phair are touring? ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" - -- Craig Kilborn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:40:51 -0800 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix This one time at band camp, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >One of my favorite things about The Matrix I've found is that they usually >attract quiet, considerate crowds. It's probably because they just don't want to draw attention to the fact that they're jerking off with SciFi Geek Glee (TM) to the action on the screen. "Don't come in here, mom!" - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:44:43 -0800 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Wig In A Box (actual RH content) This one time at band camp, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >John Cameron Mitchell >have been working together recently. He's not hawking Timex watches anymore? ;) "I take a licking and I keep on ticking" - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:19:56 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Ummm... Is that a real poncho? I mean is that a Mexican poncho or is that a Sears poncho? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 09:11 PM 11/5/2003 -0600, steve wrote: > >All will be revealed - > > > > It's possible to get this angle and still think that these movies suck > ass. I don't see how anyone could FAIL to "get this angle". They beat you over the fucking head with it. And that's just one more flaw in this steaming piece of crap. Innovative use of special effects in the first film. Bland and insipid everything else. I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is NO dramatic tension in a fight sequence between The Messiah and a bunch of no-name goons. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, cmb adams wrote: > NPR mentioned in passing yesterday that it was somewhat unique in that > it was released in theatres simultaneously throughout much of the world. > this was partly to decrease losses to piracy, and partly because they > didn't want word of mouth about how awful it is to spread globally and > keep the foreign markets away. This has been going on for some time. Legitimate international phenomena like Harry Potter (which was not made in the US, of course) have been getting simultaneous international release for a few years now. However, if it's a big Hollywood blockbuster-type flick, you can almost guarantee that a simultaneous foreign release means they're milking the foreign market before the reviews come. The opposite can be seen in some cases where foreign release is delayed until sleeper-effects take hold. I can't think of examples right off the top of my head, but I recall a few last year. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:13:36 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > And who the fuck attends a meeting in a dark cave/sewer pipe/whatever > wearing sunglasses? Someone with a huge product endorsement contract. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:16:01 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix At 01:08 PM 11/7/2003 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is NO dramatic tension >in a fight sequence between The Messiah and a bunch of no-name goons. Hey, you stole that from my review of the Apocrypha! :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:19:15 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: housebound Sebastian asked me: you *actively* avoided [the feglist]? Why? Because I knew that I would get completely sucked into it and that I'd start doing stupid things like going to NYC to see Robyn when I really didn't have the time, etc. I was completely right. But I don't regret it. And Jason, whose house still stands (I hope), wrote: "If anything, I found the gnostic-buddhist symbolism in Matrix too obvious. Superman messiahs tend to make extremely boring characters, especially with lifeless actors like Keanu playing the part." How can you say that? I mean, just think about how amazing he was in,...in,....ah,....in,....um....never mind. Jill, whose son's bronchitis has morphed into pneumonia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, steve wrote: > What do Fegs think of Kill Bill, V1? I was appalled that such horrible human mutilation was played for humor. When those 88 guys were lying around with their limbs severed and blood everywhere and some dead and others screaming and still others just wandering around dazed and confused, the audience was chuckling all around. I took the opportunity to guffaw loudly and say to my friend (perhaps a bit too loudly), "I'll bet that's what it was like inside the World Trade Center!" There was no more laughing for the rest of the movie. How do you sympathize with a killer out for revenge? There was nothing worth caring about in that movie. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:22:52 -0700 From: "cmb adams" Subject: keanu On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:19:15 -0500 (EST), Jill Brand wrote: > "If anything, I found the gnostic-buddhist symbolism in Matrix too > obvious. Superman messiahs tend to make extremely boring characters, > especially with lifeless actors like Keanu playing the part." > > How can you say that? I mean, just think about how amazing he was > in,...in,....ah,....in,....um....never mind. Little Buddha. he was good in Little Buddha. he's the Uncarved Block. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: keanu cmb adams wrote: > Jill Brand wrote: >>> "If anything, I found the gnostic-buddhist >>> symbolism in Matrix too obvious. Superman >>> messiahs tend to make extremely boring >>> characters, especially with lifeless actors >>> like Keanu playing the part." > > > > How can you say that? I mean, just think about > > how amazing he was > > in,...in,....ah,....in,....um....never mind. > > Little Buddha. > he was good in Little Buddha. > > he's the Uncarved Block. He wasn't bad in either Bill & Ted movie or in Parenthood. Of course, neither of those parts required him to do much acting. ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" - -- Craig Kilborn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:32:08 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix > How do you sympathize with a killer out for revenge? There was > nothing worth caring about in that movie. Methinks you missed the point. :^) = s&th hooligan@apostate.com www.jaquelinerose.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Thread Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > You definitely had the "A" plot of that episode. I've been really pretty > much in a "B" plot, supporting character mode lately. On a few > different shows, actually. Eb's appears to have a stronger writing > staff this season. I sometimes feel like everyone in LA thinks like this all time. Surely Eb and Jason will roll their eyes at that comment, but I just felt I have to share it. > -Rex "oh, and the character names in the Matrix are just embarassing, > quit it" Broome Tell it, brother. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:41:46 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix Already responded to this post once, but forgot the indignant portion of my reply: > I took the opportunity to guffaw loudly and say to my > friend (perhaps a bit too loudly), "I'll bet that's what it > was like inside the World Trade Center!" > > There was no more laughing for the rest of the movie. Not cool, dude. Unless you're a complete brick (which, I have observed, you're not), you know that's an unfair (and potentially insensitive) comment. Why would you want to sour the cinematic experience for everyone else in the theatre? If it's not your thing, that's groovy, but get up and walk the hell out. (Insert smiley end-portion of reply from other post here) = s&th hooligan@apostate.com www.jaquelinerose.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Sweet & Tender Hooligan wrote: > > How do you sympathize with a killer out for revenge? There was > > nothing worth caring about in that movie. > > Methinks you missed the point. :^) What, praytell, was the point, then? Hmm... bad person kills bad people. There's no drama without compassion or sympathy and I can't give a shit about whether or not any of the participants survive their struggles. I'm upset at the idea of either of them dying stupidly, but I know one of them is going to and it doesn't matter to me which does. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:46:21 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: keanu On Fri, Nov 7, 2003, cmb adams wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:19:15 -0500 (EST), Jill Brand wrote: > > "If anything, I found the gnostic-buddhist symbolism in Matrix too > > obvious. Superman messiahs tend to make extremely boring characters, > > especially with lifeless actors like Keanu playing the part." > > > > How can you say that? I mean, just think about how amazing he was > > in,...in,....ah,....in,....um....never mind. > > Little Buddha. > he was good in Little Buddha. > > he's the Uncarved Block. He was also good in Bill and Ted, as well as My Own Private Idaho. But yeah, for the most part he's a crap actor. Same as Brad Pitt, with a few exceptions. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 13:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Sweet & Tender Hooligan wrote: > Not cool, dude. Unless you're a complete brick (which, I have observed, > you're not), you know that's an unfair (and potentially insensitive) > comment. The people there were insensitive. They were laughing at pain. I think they stopped laughing because they were suddenly re-sensitized. > Why would you want to sour the cinematic experience for everyone else in > the theatre? I suppose that might have soured the "cinematic experience" for some of the people, but hopefully they took something more important away than a good night at the show. > If it's not your thing, that's groovy, but get up and walk the hell out. I didn't even want to walk in... but that's a whole other story. I was having a good time in my own way. My intent was to share the comment with my friend. But I had trouble delivering the line with the desired effect (of sounding like an insensitive prick who laughs at death and pain) without being loud. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #415 ********************************