From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #414 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 6 2003 Volume 12 : Number 414 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ROBYN @ MAXWELL'S!!!!! ["Maximilian Lang" ] song title? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Talkin' Car-Scuttlin', Coaster-Ridin' Teenage Goth Blues ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Talkin' Car-Scuttlin', Coaster-Ridin' Teenage Goth Blues [steve ] Re: stereotypes [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: welcome and Sebastian, how come you know so much? Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Reap ["Grunty" ] Re: Bottom Line, my 2 cents ["Brian" ] Re: song title? ["Brian" ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: stereotypes ["Iosso, Ken" ] Re: Reap [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [Miles Goosens ] RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix ["cmb adams" ] New Olympic Category (No RH) [Steve Talkowski ] [Ebmaniax] Last night... [Eb ] possible feg-like gig? [Scott Hunter McCleary ] Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 19:51:36 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: ROBYN @ MAXWELL'S!!!!! >From: Steve Talkowski >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: ROBYN @ MAXWELL'S!!!!! >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:38:00 -0500 >Cool! I missed Yo La Tengo's "8 Days of Hanakah" gigs last December (but >DID manage to catch their Beacon show in April - great first time seeing >them for me). I went to one night of that last year, it was my third time seeing them but the first time when I was aware of who they were. The first time was 1989 when they opened for Robyn at Maxwell's. I was 21, I was pretty drunk, it was just Ira and Georgia. They were truly horrible...I heckled them a little(not during the music mind you). I spoke to Ira a few weeks ago after their show in Philly, I mentioned that my first time seeing them was 89 opening for Robyn. He said, "oh no, the Maxwell's show? that was just Georgia and I, it was horrible, just noise. It was totally inappropriate." I told him that I was a primary hater that night, he thought it was pretty funny. I felt vindicated after all these years. I still feel like a little shit for having done it and I have never heckled anyone else in my life... man they sucked. >Robyn's will be my first Maxwell's show! Maxwell's is the first place I ever saw Robyn, for that matter it's the first place I ever heard him. Also. the first place I ever heard The Chills. Max PS. Ira said they will probably not be doing the Hannukah shows this year. I hope they do!!! _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:27:06 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: song title? Does anyone know the title of the song Robyn's been performing lately (as in the October 10 concert from which someone posted two MP3s) with the words "I wish I could fly"? I'm hoping that's not it... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:50:07 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Talkin' Car-Scuttlin', Coaster-Ridin' Teenage Goth Blues Jeff D: >>If you are planning to get a new car to replace your heap, I highly >>recommend getting rear-ended a few months beforehand. Another strategy: leave your car on the street, especially if you live on a hill. Someone just might run into it and destroy it for you. And since the kind of person who runs into a parked car is a bad driver who doesn't want to make any noise about it, they or their parent/guardian just might buy it from you at blue book value, which is more than you would get for it without a lot of work. At least that worked for us when we suddenly became a three-car family who only wanted two. JeFFrey: >>Is this a California thing? I've never heard any particular stereotype re >>Asians and driving out here. It's a definite, specific stereotype around here. I'm not really sure how I became aware of it, either, but it's common enough to be made fun of, usually preemptively, by the people it's aimed at. _______ Jason T: >>I've been to a few shows at the House of Blues at Downtown Disney, >>including Social Distortion as well as Bryan Ferry with our very own >>Eb. Was Eb opening or was he in Ferry's band? Oh, wait... JeFFrey N: >>..Jeff, finding the notion of goths on carnival rides irresistably >>ludicrous... I actually think this kind of happens, or at least happened, a lot at Disney and Knotts Berry Farm in Anaheim... first of all, there are a lot of Goths in Orange County (or at least there were in the '80's). But perhaps more importantly, when I had a girlfriend who had grown up in what I guess we're now supposed to call "The O.C.", she told me that the theme parks were the only places which had underage nightclubs, which high school kids would use as massive scamming grounds while appearing to their parents to be in a wholesome, kid-friendly environment. I would assume that these two things taken together meant Teenage Goths Aplenty on Splash Mountain, etc. Interestingly (or not) you can see a lot of Gothy-looking people at those parks during their now-ubiquitous Halloween Fright Fests, but they're performers only... guests have to dress "normally" for obvious reasons. Goths... funhouses... creepy clowns... eerie calliope music... it all seems like a natural fit to me. Maybe it's Something Wicked This Way Comes... or Nick Cave's The Carny. Or lots of other things. Chris: >>'Round here a bunch of goths and related types gather every summer for >>"Freak Day" at King's Dominion amusement park in Virginia. King's Dominion. Sigh. The place just hasn't been the same since they tore down Yogi's Cave. Conversely, Busch Gardens Williamsburg is still apparently much as I remember it. - -Rex, mild coaster dork, semi-retired ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 21:33:21 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: song title? >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Reply-To: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >To: arboreal autograph collectors >Subject: song title? >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:27:06 -0600 >Does anyone know the title of the song Robyn's been performing lately (as >in >the >October 10 concert from which someone posted two MP3s) with the words "I >wish I >could fly"? > >I'm hoping that's not it... I am pretty sure it is. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:58:29 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Talkin' Car-Scuttlin', Coaster-Ridin' Teenage Goth Blues > JeFFrey: >>> Is this a California thing? I've never heard any particular >>> stereotype re >>> Asians and driving out here. On Nov 5, 2003, at 7:50 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > It's a definite, specific stereotype around here. I'm not really sure > how I > became aware of it, either, but it's common enough to be made fun of, > usually preemptively, by the people it's aimed at. In the D/FW area it seems that asians and latinos are over-represented amongst the young folk who kill themselves (and others) freeway racing. Probably has something to do with the import car culture. The girls are usually just along for the ride. - - Steve __________ Members of the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, N.M., burned Harry Potter books, Star Wars items and works by Shakespeare and J.R.R. Tolkien, USA Today reported. Pastor Jack Brock called the Potter books "a masterpiece of satanic deception [that teaches] children how they can get into witchcraft." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:11:57 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Nov 5, 2003, at 4:37 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > Now he's an addict. And I don't get it. All will be revealed - - - Steve __________ When the president speaks, unscripted, from his own moral center, what shows itself is a bottomless void. - James Carroll, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:15:29 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: stereotypes >> My girlfriend is always complaining about how Asians can't drive worth a >> shit. Since she's an Asian female, I tend to let it slide. > >Is this a California thing? I've never heard any particular stereotype re >Asians and driving out here. it's a NZ thing as well. There are a lot of recent migrants to NZ from SE Asia and their (supposed) lack of driving skills is a popular stereotype. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:41:23 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: welcome and Sebastian, how come you know so much? Oh yeah, and the Matrix Hi Jill, - --On Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 17:37 Uhr -0500 Jill Brand wrote: > First of all, welcome to anyone who just joined. After years of avoiding > this list, you *actively* avoided it? Why? > Sebastian, how in hell do you know so much about American television? I > don't even know what 24 is? I mean, yeah, it's a number, but beyond that > I'm clueless. Well, I guess there are various factors to blame. Due to my personal history I have a somewhat unhealthy infatuation with American pop culture. I take pride in being able to understand all references an average white male citizen of the USA would. Why? That's hard to say. There are certainly enough aspects I don't like ... To be specific regarding 24: the first season recently aired in Germany and was hyped heavily. Now, there are some English language series that I have watched in German, e.g. Star Trek TNG and ER, but that was chiefly because there was no alternative at the time. I'm so happy about DVDs: almost all of them have the original language track in addition to local languages. So I decided based on comments I'd read here and elsewhere that it was worth the gamble to just buy the DVD set instead of enduring a potentially painful German dub. Right now my friends are queueing to borrow them from me ... ;-) > My son has bronchitis, and has missed three days of school (which > coincided with 3 days of no high school because of an electrical fire); That's gotta suck ... > he > twisted my arm sufficiently and convinced me to let him see the Matrix and > Reloaded even though they are rated R ("But mama, ALL my friends have seen > them"). Now he's an addict. And I don't get it. Same here. I thought the first part was OK. You really have to concede that it has been influential as hell, whether you like it or not. But the second part was just plain boring. It also didn't look fresh anymore. Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:55:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Reap On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > Welcome Grunty, why can't you go again? If you promise to lip sync next > time we will allow you to go. I came to this group for the Robyn chat but > stayed for the REAPs...you'll see. Bobby Hatfield of the Righteous Brothers. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:46:10 -0500 From: "Grunty" Subject: Re: Reap um why would that make me stay? need a better reason........lol that is if you sure you want an ornery old warthawg on here, your choice......... ; ) Grunty Da Warthawg gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net I came to this group for the Robyn chat but > > stayed for the REAPs...you'll see. > > Bobby Hatfield of the Righteous Brothers. > > > - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:13:38 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: Bottom Line, my 2 cents On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:40: said: > Who on list sent the link to the Black Snake promo poster on Ebay a few > months back, one of the Brians? Well, I got it signed and Robyn wrote > the > following "RH. Hold on to this, I've never seen it Before! RH", yes he > initialed it twice in his excitement . Best 5 bucks you ever spent huh? You lucky bastard! I'll have to trade for these shows sometime...too many great reviews! Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 06:25:10 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: song title? Can anyone re-host those 2 mp3s? Bayard are you still there? Any chance of putting them on the Glass Hotel? Nuppy On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:27:06 -0600, "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" said: > Does anyone know the title of the song Robyn's been performing lately (as > in > the > October 10 concert from which someone posted two MP3s) with the words "I > wish I > could fly"? > > I'm hoping that's not it... > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ > :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb > :: --Batman - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:31:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap Dernell Stenson. This is truly ugly and awful. "You've got to take what you can get. You never know how long you're going to be here." - - Dernell Stenson after hitting his first major league home run, August 17, 2003. ===== "Senator John McCain recently compared the situation in Iraq to the Vietnam era -- to which President Bush replied, 'What does Iraq have in common with drinking beer in Texas?'" - -- Craig Kilborn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:39:16 -0600 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: stereotypes Just a guess here but I'm thinking that boys of all colors between the ages of 16 and 25 have far more accidents than any other demographic group. I think that partially because I had to pay a higher insurance premium. This is just a lazy variation on those "women drivers" stereotype. Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: grutness@surf4nix.com [mailto:grutness@surf4nix.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:15 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: stereotypes >> My girlfriend is always complaining about how Asians can't drive worth a >> shit. Since she's an Asian female, I tend to let it slide. > >Is this a California thing? I've never heard any particular stereotype re >Asians and driving out here. it's a NZ thing as well. There are a lot of recent migrants to NZ from SE Asia and their (supposed) lack of driving skills is a popular stereotype. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:22:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Reap Suede http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3248147.stm - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:36:42 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix At 09:11 PM 11/5/2003 -0600, steve wrote: >On Nov 5, 2003, at 4:37 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > >> Now he's an addict. And I don't get it. > > >All will be revealed - > > > It's possible to get this angle and still think that these movies suck ass. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:45:37 -0800 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Oh yeah, and the Matrix Miles wrote: > >> Now he's an addict. And I don't get it. > > > >All will be revealed - > > > > > > It's possible to get this angle and still think that these movies suck > ass. It's also possible to get this and angle and think they suck even more ass that you previously thought. The first movie was fairly fun and novel but the second one performed fellatio on equines. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:14:18 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix At 01:36 PM 11/6/2003 -0600, Miles Goosens wrote: > > > >It's possible to get this angle and still think that these movies suck ass. Listen to a good proportion of Top 40 country-western songs, and you'll see that the inclusion of a religious sub-text does not necessary add depth or substance to the artform. If anything, I found the gnostic-buddhist symbolism in Matrix too obvious. Superman messiahs tend to make extremely boring characters, especially with lifeless actors like Keanu playing the part. I began watching a friend's purchased copy of Matrix 2 a few weeks ago, and found that it hoovered such a tremendous amount of anus that I stopped the DVD after about 30 minutes. And who the fuck attends a meeting in a dark cave/sewer pipe/whatever wearing sunglasses? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:52:03 -0700 From: "cmb adams" Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:14:18 -0800, Jason R. Thornton wrote > And who the fuck > attends a meeting in a dark cave/sewer pipe/whatever wearing sunglasses? jake and elwood? but yeah, the second matrix was atrocious. and the third one promises to be worse. NPR mentioned in passing yesterday that it was somewhat unique in that it was released in theatres simultaneously throughout much of the world. this was partly to decrease losses to piracy, and partly because they didn't want word of mouth about how awful it is to spread globally and keep the foreign markets away. I wasn't sure if they were joking or not...a bemusement I felt at the movies as well. the sunglasses in the sewer was the least of that flick's problems. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:10:14 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: New Olympic Category (No RH) http://flash.trojangames.co.uk/tgames/movies/movie1_frame.html http://flash.trojangames.co.uk/tgames/movies/movie2_frame.html http://flash.trojangames.co.uk/tgames/movies/movie3_frame.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:08:05 -0800 From: Eb Subject: [Ebmaniax] Last night... I went to the Viper Room, to see Mondo Generator (terrible name, yes). The band is led by a background member of Queens of the Stone Age, if you don't know. The lead Queens of the Stone Age guy (Josh Homme) was in the house for a bit, but seemed to leave well before Mondo hit the stage. Before Mondo's set (which started around midnight), there was this wacky event which they dubbed "Punk Rock Burlesque Bingo." Two sick-skinny girls in radically low-cut French-maid outfits passed out Bingo cards and crayons beforehand. There were two smarmy bingo callers/emcees who weren't as funny as they thought they were, and three or four different girls came out and did stripteases, while dropping their clothes on a large bingo grid on the stage floor. Wherever the item landed, that was the number called. There were two rounds. The prizes were intentionally stupid. The top prize was a one-way bus ticket to Bakersfield, on Thanksgiving Day. Huzzah. Nudity isn't allowed at the Viper Room, but the girls basically peeled down to bras and panties. Two of them ended up topless with duct-tape crosses over their nipple bits. Woo. One of those two started off on *roller skates* (DJ Lawndart was obliged to play "Brand New Key" as background music), and was amazingly limber considering she was probably early-thirties and not even thin. Gymnastics background, undoubtedly. As part of this special bingo night, there were also five sheet cakes set up on the bar. Decorated with "B," "I," "N," "G" and "O." Some chocolate, some white. The place was only 75% full (the show was poorly publicized, on purpose), and the cakes weren't moving too fast. I ended up having about three pieces, throughout the night. I guess every Wednesday is "Punk Rock Night," now. Lawndart was spinning nothing but '70s-'80s punk all night, and next week, there's supposed to be something called "Punk Rock Pillow Fight." Oh, joy. I had mixed feelings about Mondo Generator. They're a lot punkier than QOTSA, though in a good way. But the singer is a screamer, and I didn't like his style at all. That poisoned it for me. The guitarist also has played with the Queens, and looked alarmingly like a punk-rock version of Larry "Bud" Melman. My favorite element was the bassist, a late-20s brunette with braids and sort of a big-boned frame. She played like a guy -- very muscular and stern -- but in a totally non-self-conscious way. Her moves were neat to watch. She wasn't "performing." She was just feeling the music. I enjoyed her style a lot. I wouldn't buy a Mondo Generator CD, however. Beforehand, Lawndart had told me that Mark Lanegan was coming and would sing with the group. Lanegan never showed up. Then, we figured Josh Homme would sing with Mondo, but this didn't happen either. Drat. One of Lawndart's friends told me that I looked like John Malkovich. And the doorman (one of those trying-too-hard-to-be-a-wise-guy types) told me that I looked "gay and clammy." He was needling me for awhile - -- I never quite figured out his game. Meanwhile, a spectacularly buxom blonde (visiting from the Hustler store up the street) said I was "a good man," and a rock-guitarist type named Santos thought I looked "familiar" for no discernible reason. Such a lovely mosaic of descriptions. Speaking of character analysis, I had an explosive fight with a female friend yesterday afternoon, and as part of our kiss-and-make-up resolution, she was assigned to pass on four complimentary adjectives about me. These are her tight-lipped answers, verbatim: "1. Funny 2. Very occassionally sweet 3. Deadpan 4. Challenging" This seems mildly instructive, somehow. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:39:17 -0500 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: possible feg-like gig? http://sflounge.com/ Is the t spigot mentioned therein the same one who did the kick-ass remix of Sinister? Grunty? It's Mucky dammit! ;) Scott - -- ========= "Throughout the 20th century, small groups of men seized control of great nations, built armies and arsenals, and set out to dominate the weak and intimidate the world." - -- George W. Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:12:45 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Oh yeah, and the Matrix On Nov 6, 2003, at 2:52 PM, cmb adams wrote: > but yeah, the second matrix was atrocious. > > and the third one promises to be worse. You guys are no fun. They're just HK films dressed up in black leather. What do Fegs think of Kill Bill, V1? - - Steve __________ Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou - http://ykk.misago.org/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #414 ********************************