From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #412 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 5 2003 Volume 12 : Number 412 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dickensian running boobs [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Captain Beefheart - Essential Listening [Alfred Masciocchi ] the bottom line [Jim Davies ] Reddened their necks Cultured their clothes ["Rex.Broome" ] Great Name For a Band [Groove Puppy ] Dreamworks Records ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Dreamworks Records ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Reddened their necks Cultured their clothes [Capuchin ] 24, second chance ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Dickensian running boobs ["Maximilian Lang" ] Obtaining copies of both Bottom Line sets [anthony stokes ] Re: Obtaining copies of both Bottom Line sets [Eb If you have seen the movie "Run, Lola, Run", then you know what >the pilot for Tru Calling was like. Eliza Dushku gets to run a lot, >accompanied by drum and bass music, trying to make it to the >place where she can change the future. I recommend this film >if you haven't seen it, it is action-oriented but very smart. seconded! I can remember the first time I sqaw that (at the cinema, rather than on vid) and I'd swear I toned up and lost weight just watching it. >since when does the word "woefully" belong with >"inadequate breast support" when talking about a hot >ch...erm, very attractive young woman? uh-oh... are we heading back into 'oppressive udders' territory? >Much as I'd enjoy watching (emphasis on "watching") a show involving Eliza >Dushku running about, I have put down an official boycott on shows and movies >that hammer me over the head with witlessly allegorical names. Kee-rist on a >Segway, "Tru Calling"? Garcon? My barfbag, please. Similarly, that movie a few >years back called, I believe, "Poetic Justice" (no points for guessing the >characters name, or her avocation), and "Good Will Hunting" ("Another one - >this >one's full...") > >Oh Charles Dickens, so much to answer for... At least you never had a member of the government cabinet who was a Dickens character. A few years back, NZ's minister of Education was Wyatt Creech. Even Dickens would have thought twice about giving anyone that name... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:18:23 -0500 From: Alfred Masciocchi Subject: Captain Beefheart - Essential Listening Trout Mask Replica is essential but it is deep water to jump into for the first dip into the Beefheart pool. Track down the Spotlight Kid/Clear Spot two-fer; that's a great starting point. Then give Lick My Decals Off Baby a shot before trying Trout Mask. If Decals is still too deep, work from there to much of the rest of his catalogue, returning to Decals periodically. Pre-Trout Mask stuff like Safe As Milk and Mirror Man are more traditionally blues based, although a mutant strain. Avoid the attempted commercial period of Bluejeans & Moonbeams and Unconditionally Guaranteed until everything else is exhausted. The return to form/swan song late '70s/early '80s trio of Shiny Beast, Doc At The Radar Station, and Ice Cream For Crow wrap up a career that 20 plus years later the music world still hasn't caught up to. Steve Talkowski wrote: > Robyn recited two lengthy passages from Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask > - i think that's what Robyn said it was, "essential listening". Or > something to do with meat. I really don't know much about Beefheart > but some preliminary online research reveals the obvious influence and > kindred spiritedness. Great, another artist with a vast catalogue > I'm now going to have to investigate. Anyone care to add to Robyn's > essential listening? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:55:20 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Dickensian running boobs Quoting James Dignan : > >Oh Charles Dickens, so much to answer for... > > At least you never had a member of the government cabinet who was a Dickens > character. A few years back, NZ's minister of Education was Wyatt Creech. > Even Dickens would have thought twice about giving anyone that name... We have, though, had an obfuscatory anti-government Republican named Tom DeLay, a bellicose macho conservative named Dick Armey, and a southern senator (I think) with the just-plain-wonderful name of Lauch Faircloth... BTW: somewhere, some rapper has to have rhymed "Kristy McNichol" with "Dick Trickle," no? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. :: I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:31:11 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: the bottom line A man in my shoes runs a light And all the papers lie tonight And falling over you Is the news of the day Robyn at the Bottom Line was incredible. He was, as we would say in England, "on form". The observations. "One Long Pair of Eyes". "My Wife and My Dead Wife". "The Ghost in You". Every one a perfect rendition, transporting. The first set was one of the best performances I have ever seen. For reasons that she wasn't able to explain, Max (not Max) preferred the second set. My heart was still in the first. "Neon Meate Dream of an Octafish". Robyn's idea of selling "Trout Mask Replica" on the merch stand. Condalezza Rice and George Bush: two people, one mind. Watched over by Robyn's familiar. As Momus would say: rock me to the end of the American empire. The beautiful, soon-to-be-Irish Mary, sitting there with an expression of perfect contentment. The charming and generous Max, trying to capture the moment. The incredibly talented Laura, braving the Halloween confusion to get there for the second set. The mispronounced, ever-wonderful Woj. Max (not Max) said that the couple next to her - whose names I didn't quite catch - were lovely. And the musical Ken, with the blisters on his fingers. Yes, I can see why Ken wasn't quite so swept away. The guy behind him was a dick. Singing along, out of tune, and sustaining the sibilants forever. Weird. I would have climbed over the table and clobbered him (the dick, not Ken) with an overpriced bottle of Brooklyn Lager, but for two things: I've never hit anyone, so I'd have got it all wrong; and I'm not an American citizen, so I'd have ended up in Guantanamo Bay. Also, well, it just wouldn't have been right. You have to roll with these things. You'd hate a world in which everything was just so. You would. Celebrate what you have, which is almost everything. The whole thing was wonderful. Worth the air fare. Worth missing my baby (okay, only just). Sell your cousins to make the West Coast gigs. Or take them along, one or the other. x Jim - -- The "Save the Bottom Line" song is awful. Terrible. Please. Please. Please. Turn it off. I'll make a donation. Anything. :^) I saw a copy of Luxor in Borders in Kingston-upon-Thames on Sunday, but there's no sign of it out here in Singapore. Nor is there much prospect of Robyn playing. I wish I was in Portland. Or Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:21:52 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Reddened their necks Cultured their clothes Jeme: >>That's weird... I mean, that Nigel is a woman. I wouldna thought that. Yeah, and she's a cutie, too. Kinks fan. I've never asked how the name came about... Miles did a very good rundown on the ol' homestate, up to and including a few nods to my particular home region, which is really the only experience I have to describe. I guess I should add that my particular hometown is literally next door to Maryland... and not too far from where John Brown got his well-known abolitionist freak on. The adjoining town, Piedmont, was predominantly African American. Wanna know more about it? Check out "Colored People" by the esteemed Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. He's from there. My dad knew him as Skip Gates. Gates went to Potomac State in my hometown... I knew or knew of a lot of people in the book. If memory serves, it's dedicated to Professor Tony Whitmore at Pot State, who was also one of my parents' best friends and a sort of mentor to my brother and myself as well... his daughter is a good friend of mine. >>People see the differences you point out to them. If you say, "my gay >>black friend" that's what they think. If you say, "my securities analyst >>friend Steve", they think that instead. That's not at all at odds with what I was saying. It's not me who does the pointing out. Case in point, let's say I go home, and as usual everyone's asking me how I can possibly live in big city because of, like, crime or whatever else they think I encounter on a daily basis. I'll probably end up mentioning the one time I got mugged, and someone will almost always ask if it was a black guy. Just gets my hackles up and makes me feel a little bit responsible for spreading a little tolerance. But as you agreed, stepping on toes doesn't get the job done. >>>> When I go back there I try to be as casual about my friends of "other >>>> persuasions" as I can. >>Well, if you have to try... >>(I'm kidding.) I appreciate the clarification! But I hope I've been clear about why I sort of *do* have to try. In some ways a description of an average day in my life contains stuff that strikes the folks back home as bizarre or alarming. When somebody's eyes bug out at the mention of something that seems normal to me, yeah, it's work to keep things casual. Most people aren't that bad, really. I should mention, though, that I was just at a function right here in Southern California where I encountered a lot of casual anti-Semitism. Very weird. All of it from older folks, but still. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:29:27 -0800 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Dickensian running boobs This one time at band camp, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >BTW: somewhere, some rapper has to have rhymed "Kristy McNichol" with "Dick >Trickle," no? I think it's hilarious that the guys on SportsCenter always mention Dick Trickle regardless of his position of finish: "Today, Dick Trickle finished 31st after crashing on the first lap of the Gold Bond Medicated Powder 500 in Elkins, West Virginia". I've even heard them say, "Dick Trickle was not part of the field of drivers in today's Piggly Wiggly 500 in Fife, Alabama". Because, really, if you had the opportunity to use the words "Dick Trickle" on TV, wouldn't you take it? - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:16:26 -0500 From: "gruntydawarthawg" Subject: Re: the bottom line this was my first robyn show, i waited 15 years to see him. i was blown away by both shows, and for some reason i had not heard of this list and wanted to join. but now i feel like i am not exactly welcome here, yes, i was one of the ones singing, not loud, but i was so excited to finally see robyn. i'm sorry if i upset anyone by being one of the singers but this was the first vacation i had had since my surgery, now i am sitting here trying to type with one finger because i have a huge cast on my right arm due to yesterday's surgery. if anyone cares to know who i was i was wearing a purple jewels for sophia t-shirt, bell bottom jeans with a chain and a Carnivale pocket watch and a black leather jacket, i had short reddish hair and glasses. my name is Laura but most people online call me Grunty, my yahoo ID is victhesquid. i hope i am welcome on this list, i am on the RHC list as well. Grunty Da Warthawg gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:08:32 -0800 (PST) From: Groove Puppy Subject: Great Name For a Band http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=795&ncid=689&e=12&u=/eo/20031030/en_music_eo/12816 ===== CHUCKHOLE All that great punk rock taste with only half the calories. http://clix.to/chuckhole http://www.mp3.com/chuckhole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:09:47 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Dreamworks Records So I'm futzing around preparing these massive reports for these guys, and lemme axe you sumthin: shoudn't they have been prevented from having both bands with stupidly constructed names consisting of a guy's first name, a variation on the word "eat", and word that more or less indicates one of the four elements? Yup... both Jimmy Eat World and Jonathan Fire Eater! Hurray! Rex "what about Wind Eatin' Joey?" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:53:37 -0800 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Dreamworks Records This one time at band camp, Rex.Broome wrote: >Rex "what about Wind Eatin' Joey?" Broome Another variation: Johnny sucks wind. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:58:58 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Reddened their necks Cultured their clothes On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > >>People see the differences you point out to them. If you say, "my gay > >>black friend" that's what they think. If you say, "my securities analyst > >>friend Steve", they think that instead. > > That's not at all at odds with what I was saying. I didn't intend it to be. > Just gets my hackles up and makes me feel a little bit responsible for > spreading a little tolerance. Spreading tolerance always gets my hackles up. > >>Well, if you have to try... > >>(I'm kidding.) > > I appreciate the clarification! I hate having to clarify, but you wouldn't believe how often I'm misunderstood. > When somebody's eyes bug out at the mention of something that seems > normal to me, yeah, it's work to keep things casual. Oooh. Examples, please. > Most people aren't that bad, really. Most of the people you know back home? > I should mention, though, that I was just at a function right here in > Southern California where I encountered a lot of casual anti-Semitism. > Very weird. All of it from older folks, but still. What kind of anti-Semitism? Just straight-up jew hating and stereotyping? Or are you one of those folks that thinks anyone who is anti-Israel is anti-Semitic? Or a serious discussion of the detrimental effects of the jewish immigration into Europe in the 13th and 14th centuries? (By the way, arabs are semites, too... were you being more academic in your use of the word?) Water Eats Jeme - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:04:47 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Grunty and Nora sez On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:16:26 -0500 Grunty said: >name is > Laura > but most people online call me Grunty, my yahoo ID is victhesquid. > i hope i am welcome on this list, i am on the RHC list as well. Well Grunty, you are most welcome in my book, but I'm somewhat of a lurker... anyone actually having Robyn content to speak of is most welcome in my book... but I will suprise you with this little piece of info: If you decide to stay on this list you will learn much more than just Robyn stuff! This can be a blessing and somewhat of a warning! I wasn't at the show, but anytime I see a girl singing along to RH tunes it makes me smile...unless it's really really loud and outta tune- then it makes me cry. Nora said: Yesterday I picked up Wig in a Box, the Hedwig and the Angry Inch tribute, yesterday and I am really taken with the whole thing. I absolutely love TMBG's "The Long Grift", Rufus Wainwright's "The Origin of Love, and Cyndi Lauper and the Minus 5's "Midnight Radio". I was surprised to find that the Robyn track "City of Women" was an original inspired by Hedwig. It sounds a lot like something off of Side Three with some early Robyn sax. It features Kimberley on guitar, Morris on Drums, Paul Noble on Bass, and Terry Edwards on Sax. I love this song and I really hope Robyn records more with this band. The whole thing is very Soft Boysey. This track confirms my suspicion that Kimberely and Morris are more essential to the Soft Boys' sound than Andy or Matthew. No offense intended to Andy or Matthew of course. - -------- I too received my Wig CD. The whole disc is a good mix. the Sleater/Fred song is a hoot. Maybe a bit too visual. The Robyn song reminds me of Green Boy sorta. Yep, could've been off Side 3. I really hope we get a whole disc full of this kinda Hitchcock thing on his next full release. Maybe "If you know time" will show up. Nuppy - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:00:41 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: 24, second chance For those who missed it, I think the first episode of this seasons 24 airs proir to the second episode tonight. Max _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:12:26 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Dickensian running boobs >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Subject: Re: Dickensian running boobs >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:55:20 -0600 >Quoting James Dignan : > > At least you never had a member of the government cabinet who was a >Dickens > > character. A few years back, NZ's minister of Education was Wyatt >Creech. > > Even Dickens would have thought twice about giving anyone that name... >We have, though, had an obfuscatory anti-government Republican named Tom >DeLay, >a bellicose macho conservative named Dick Armey, and a southern senator (I >think) with the just-plain-wonderful name of Lauch Faircloth... I went to school with a guy whose name was Thomas Cantlay. The unfortunate thing was this was military school and everyone was known by their last name. Max _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: anthony stokes Subject: Obtaining copies of both Bottom Line sets This is my first post, so please be kind. I'm a recent convert to Robyn's music and can't believe I'd never heard of him until two years ago and have acquired everything I can lay my hands on. I attended the Bottom Line shows (both sets) and was the guy up front lucky enough to have a spare pick in my pocket to give Robyn when he needed it which was more than I ever expected. For obvious reasons I would love to have a copy of these shows. I don't have any rare Robyn to trade, but I do have a fairly substantial Pink Floyd rarities collection which includes most of the exhaustive Syd Barrett "Have You Got It Yet" series and would be willing to trade items from that for copies of both sets. Or blanks and postage whichever would be preferred. Not being an authority on the level of all of you on this list I cant offer an educated review on the shows other than to say I wasnt disappointed on any level and was thrilled to be able to supply Robyn with my pick and speak with him directly. I did get to hear nearly all the songs I wanted to hear, although not having a complete collection there were some songs I didnt recognize. All in all, seeing the man in person has fueled my desire to obtain everything he's ever recorded. It sure was a long bus ride back to Maine, though. Greenwich Village sure was an interesting place to visit for Halloween. Is it that crazy all the time or am I just a hick? I look forward to getting to know you all better. Contact me to set up a trade. Tony Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:43:34 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: welcome post-bottom-line-newbies! As a feg of many years, let me say a hearty "welcome ye!" to the new listmembers that are crawling (perhaps even "The Crawling"!) into listage. As to the pre-emptive strikes against loud live audience singing and other potential deterrents, I assure you that there's no need to be concerned. You see, we're a bunch of self-important stuffed-shirt jerks who feel that we "own" Robyn, and our delusions of intimacy with (even ownership of) this great songwriter should in no way indicate any true superiority or cause to feel cowed. At least, that is ONE view of us. I have also found us without fail to be a diverse, engaging bunch, prone to wild fits of hospitality, rarely boring, and tremendous to drink with. So stay. Pull up a stool and a tendril. Thank you for joining! - -- Dolph nd: more port than would have been advisable, but what the heck? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:27:54 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Obtaining copies of both Bottom Line sets > This is my first post, so please be kind. Gosh...new blood. Who da thunk it? First ugly Nora, now two more fresh (and hopefully, more attractive) faces. Will it be a Very Special Episode of "The Late Show," tonight? Eb, who doesn't even know when Robyn is playing at Largo, to be perfectly honest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:30:36 -0500 From: "gruntydawarthawg" Subject: Re: Obtaining copies of both Bottom Line sets yes and i have your other pick............lol my husband and i got to meet tony and can both vouch that he's a great guy! we were lucky enough to sit at his table and my drooling over robyn didn't seem to disgust him at all, nor did my singing i hope........lol it took us an hour to get a taxi back to our hotel, sure were some interesting costumes out there! i would be willing to trade blanks and postage for both Bottom Line sets as well, i really don't have anything to trade. glad to be here on this list, sorry for my first post which was extremely grumpy i know. i have a huge cast on my right arm and and sleeping and typing have been difficult, so has just about anything else since i has my surgery monday, : P Grunty Da Warthawg aka victhesquid aka Laura gruntydawarthawg@verizon.net > This is my first post, so please be kind. > I'm a recent convert to Robyn's music and can't believe I'd never heard of him until two years ago and have acquired everything I can lay my hands on. I attended the Bottom Line shows (both sets) and was the guy up front lucky enough to have a spare pick in my pocket to give Robyn when he needed it which was more than I ever expected. For obvious reasons I would love to have a copy of these shows. I don't have any rare Robyn to trade, but I do have a fairly substantial Pink Floyd rarities collection which includes most of the exhaustive Syd Barrett "Have You Got It Yet" series and would be willing to trade items from that for copies of both sets. Or blanks and postage whichever would be preferred. > Not being an authority on the level of all of you on this list I cant offer an educated review on the shows other than to say I wasnt disappointed on any level and was thrilled to be able to supply Robyn with my pick and speak with him directly. I did get to hear nearly all the songs I wanted to hear, although not having a complete collection there were some songs I didnt recognize. All in all, seeing the man in person has fueled my desire to obtain everything he's ever recorded. > It sure was a long bus ride back to Maine, though. Greenwich Village sure was an interesting place to visit for Halloween. Is it that crazy all the time or am I just a hick? I look forward to getting to know you all better. Contact me to set up a trade. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:16:37 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: 24 music spoiler...no plot spoilers. Listen for Yo La Tengo's Autumn Sweater playing in the background of one of the scenes tonight. Max _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:44:07 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: 24 music spoiler...no plot spoilers. - --On Dienstag, 4. November 2003 22:16 Uhr -0500 Maximilian Lang wrote: > Listen for Yo La Tengo's Autumn Sweater playing in the background of one > of the scenes tonight. There was some YLT during the first season as well - I can't remember the track ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #412 ********************************