From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #411 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 4 2003 Volume 12 : Number 411 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cultural Redneckism Revisited [Capuchin ] RE: Cultural Redneckism Revisited [Miles Goosens ] Screwed Over by Stylish Allegories about Ms. Heidi Klum and Mysel f ["Rex] Re: Today's television offerings [HSatterfld@aol.com] BMW Angels Spot debuts today (OT) [Steve Talkowski ] Re: BMW Angels Spot debuts today (OT) [Tom Clark ] Re: Today's television offerings [Tom Clark ] Re: Today's television offerings [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: Cultural Redneckism Revisited [Capuchin ] RE: Today's television offerings ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] Re: bottom line gig (Robyn trade) [Christopher Warner ] Re: bottom line set list ["Lauren Elizabeth" ] Re: bottom line gig ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: bottom line gig [Ken Weingold ] Re: bottom line gig ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: bottom line gig ["Maximilian Lang" ] London airfare special ["Marc Holden" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Cultural Redneckism Revisited On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Jeme: > >>When there's only one black family in town, there MUST be interracial > >>dating. When there's only one or two gay kids, you know them well enough > >>to judge them on the whole person. > > Y'know, I can barely even start on the cognitive dissonance between this > experience and mine. The effect of living in a similar environment in > my youth was *totally* different. I'd like to chalk this up to East Coat/West Coast, but I think there might be some more subtle interworkings here. For one, you grew up in a slave state, whereas I grew up in a Jim Crow state. In its formative years, your state had lots of blacks (probably more than whites in many areas) and they were a constant threat to the white masters. Segregation was a high priority and tensions carried down through the generations. Oregon was ostensibly a free state in that slavery was outlawed, but it also banned what the state constitution termed "Free Negroes". As a result, the state is remarkably white. The Portland area is the 30th largest in the country, but of the top 75, it's the whitest per capita (allowing for the fact that "hispanic" is considered an ethnic group and not a race on the census forms). I think this had the strange and unforeseen effect of removing racial prejudice by removing racial tensions until such time as folks became more enlightened and freedom more common. In this same town where I attended high school, my father purchased a piece of land from a family that had owned it for several generations. The state issued title deed expressly forbid sale of the home to "Negroes or Irish". My dad has a pretty sick sense of humor and he seriously considered putting an ad in the paper selling the property under those conditions. I have no idea who ended up buying it. > The few black/Chinese/Jewish families were accepted by *some* > (specifically the more educated) in the community. (Gays, forget about > it.) The funny thing is that it didn't even occur tome that jews or asians would be considered for segregation. There was a chinese family and a korean family in my town... probably others if I thought about it. Jimmy Chee was, like, captain of the football team or something and his father was the stereotypical convenience store proprietor (Big Jim's). As for jewish folks, I have no idea. There was an Eichmann family and a Stein family... I can only guess at their heritage. It just never came up. > But what also happened was that these local representatives came to be > perceived as somehow different from their urban counterparts... maybe > because they moved to a small town to begin with? Moved to? Certainly many of the families were there as long as most anybody, right? You'd think this would be especially true of blacks in West Virginia. > Interracial dating was a BAD THING. A few years back the football coach > got in trouble for telling his team that he though it was "biblically > incorrect" (new term on me, but hey, at least he got in trouble for it). But there were so few blacks at my school, there simply wasn't another option. I mean, John Ray could have dated Darnell's sister (whose name escapes me), but then who would Darnell date? [The realistic answer is "nobody" because he was a dork. John Ray probably wouldn't have dated his sister, either, even though she was pretty cool and attractive from what I recall.] > This was before everyone listened to hip-hop, and hip-hop lingo was the > coin of the realm in terms of youthful discourse. Who know how that's > changed things. I think I'm only a few years younger than you are, but maybe that has some effect. I remember my senior year Yutaka Kumagai (an exchange student) came in all decked out in Raiders jacket and backward ball cap trying to look cool. We tried not to laugh AT him, per se. > When I go back there I try to be as casual about my friends of "other > persuasions" as I can. Well, if you have to try... (I'm kidding.) > I feel that sets a better example than being didactic about it or even > making a point of it. I think I've gotten okay about it over the years. That's really the only way things work. If it's not a big deal, it's not a big deal. People see the differences you point out to them. If you say, "my gay black friend" that's what they think. If you say, "my securities analyst friend Steve", they think that instead. > Last time I was home I mentioned our married friends Nathan and Nigel > and nobody seemed to care, so I didn't bother to explain that Nigel is > actually a woman, and always has been. That's weird... I mean, that Nigel is a woman. I wouldna thought that. > Baby steps, you know. Seems more like just being there than taking steps. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 15:42:10 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: Cultural Redneckism Revisited Jeme says of West Virginia: >For one, you grew up in a slave state, whereas I grew up in a Jim Crow >state. In its formative years, your state had lots of blacks (probably >more than whites in many areas) and they were a constant threat to the >white masters. I am *so* going to buy you a few history books. Let me just summarize: * Slaves -- only a few. * African-Americans in West Virginia before the 1880s -- very, very few. * Plantations in the counties that became West Virginia -- zero. * Growing season -- short. * Arable land -- not much, and most of that small amount of arable land not condusive to large-scale agriculture. (The part that Rex is from actually supports some forms of agriculture, which, again, is the exception, not the rule.) * People who hated Tidewater slaveholders -- a lot, which has quite a bit to do with the western counties seceding from Virginia in the first place. * White people: A whole lot. Vast majority. Overwhelming majority. 95% in the last census. (By comparison, 3.2% African-American. You can look it up.) * African-Americans: Pockets. Most of the African-American population came from the Deep South to work in the coalfields after they opened in the *1880s*, and most of them after World War I. Your (relatively) larger places all have at least a community of African-Americans, and there are some non-urban areas with a large black population, but again, those are pretty far between. My own high school was about 55% black, but you could head 15 miles to the northwest and count the number of non-white people on one hand. I'm not making any case for West Virginia being a kind, tolerant place, but your picture of the state and its history couldn't be more inaccurate. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:46:52 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Cultural Redneckism Revisited on 11/3/03 1:19 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: >> I feel that sets a better example than being didactic about it or even >> making a point of it. I think I've gotten okay about it over the years. > > That's really the only way things work. If it's not a big deal, it's not > a big deal. That's how we're raising Joelle. Granted, it's pretty easy here in San Jose where us white folk are a minority*. Anyway, one of my favorite stories along these lines goes like this: My wife and I are at the grocery store. We're in the same aisle as a mother and her young son. The kid is staring at me, perplexed by the guy in the wheelchair, and he says "Mommy, what's that man doing?" The mom just says, very matter-of-factly "He's grocery shopping!" Cracked me up. - -tc *OK, a quick check of the census data says that my zip code is 79% white. You wouldn't know it from driving around here though. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:05:04 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Screwed Over by Stylish Allegories about Ms. Heidi Klum and Mysel f Me, then Eb: >>>Hey, it's alliterative and confusing... that surely counts for something >>>around here. >>Not much...probably counts for much more on the Loud-Fans list, though. Not as many Broomes over there. More West Virginians, though. Go figure. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:04:32 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's television offerings <<[PS from Eb...did any of you Buffy geeks watch "Tru Calling"? I didn't watch, but I'm mildly curious whether it's any good]>> I have seen approximately one episode of "Buffy", so I don't know if my opinion counts. It was good, not great, but it has possibilities and I would watch another episode. If you have seen the movie "Run, Lola, Run", then you know what the pilot for Tru Calling was like. Eliza Dushku gets to run a lot, accompanied by drum and bass music, trying to make it to the place where she can change the future. I recommend this film if you haven't seen it, it is action-oriented but very smart. If you are irritated by gaps in logic, you will probably wonder how Tru (that's her name) got to be such a good detective without any experience or official contacts. I expect the show to make jokes about this in an effort to address it without actually addressing it. (Weekly requests from dead people asking for help are perfectly logical, though, and do not bother me at all.) Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:09:44 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: BMW Angels Spot debuts today (OT) Hey everyone. My first commercial work as animation director makes its debut today. The piece also made Ad Critic's "Spot Of The Day"! http://www.adcritic.com The bad news - you need a password to see it here. The GOOD news - you can see a much higher res version (along with stills and production pics) at our dedicated site that goes "live" today. http://www.hornetinc.com/bmw Also, the new campaign is up on BMW's site. http://www.bmwusa.com http://www.bmwusa.com/X5.htm Here's the current media buy, scheduled to run throughout November. It will be in 100% rotation and the next buy will hit the major prime time networks thereafter. CNN Comedy Central ESPN Fox News Fine Living HGTV Hotelvision The Golf Channel The History Channel TLC VH1 BBC America BET Bloomberg Bravo CNBC Keep yer eyes peeled and let me know if/when you see it, and what ya'll think. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:11:27 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Today's television offerings >Eliza Dushku gets to run a lot, >accompanied by drum and bass music With woefully inadequate breast support, presumably. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:23:09 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: BMW Angels Spot debuts today (OT) Awesome! Check the press release blurb: "...launches the commercial career of Steve Talkowski" Congrats to Steve! - -tc on 11/3/03 2:09 PM, Steve Talkowski at stevetalkowski@mac.com wrote: > Hey everyone. > > My first commercial work as animation director makes its debut today. > > The piece also made Ad Critic's "Spot Of The Day"! > > http://www.adcritic.com > > The bad news - you need a password to see it here. > > The GOOD news - you can see a much higher res version (along with > stills and production pics) at our dedicated site that goes "live" > today. > > http://www.hornetinc.com/bmw > > Also, the new campaign is up on BMW's site. > > http://www.bmwusa.com > http://www.bmwusa.com/X5.htm > > Here's the current media buy, scheduled to run throughout November. It > will be in 100% rotation and the next buy will hit the major prime time > networks thereafter. > > CNN > Comedy Central > ESPN > Fox News > Fine Living > HGTV > Hotelvision > The Golf Channel > The History Channel > TLC > VH1 > BBC America > BET > Bloomberg > Bravo > CNBC > > Keep yer eyes peeled and let me know if/when you see it, and what ya'll > think. > > -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:26:03 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Today's television offerings on 11/3/03 2:11 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: >> Eliza Dushku gets to run a lot, >> accompanied by drum and bass music > > With woefully inadequate breast support, presumably. ;) > Anything like Carla Gugino on "Karen Sisco"? "Gratuitous" ain't the word for that action! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:30:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Today's television offerings Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: >> Eliza Dushku gets to run a lot, >> accompanied by drum and bass music > > With woefully inadequate breast support, > presumably. ;) since when does the word "woefully" belong with "inadequate breast support" when talking about a hot ch...erm, very attractive young woman? ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Cultural Redneckism Revisited On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > I am *so* going to buy you a few history books. Please do! Want my address? > I'm not making any case for West Virginia being a kind, tolerant place, > but your picture of the state and its history couldn't be more > inaccurate. Acknowledged. I was basing my view on the geographic placement. I have a hard time thinking "state" when something is that small. If you laid Oregon over that region, my generalizations would be more accurate, I think. Anyway, sorry if I stepped on any West Virginian toes. I do think there are some interesting historical differences that account for the great disparity in attitudes today, though. I mean, there are LOTS of white supremacists out in the sticks here (far fewer than there were, of course), but not only do they keep to themselves, they know better than to open their mouths with that shit in public. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:46:45 -0800 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Today's television offerings > >> Eliza Dushku gets to run a lot, > >> accompanied by drum and bass music > > > > With woefully inadequate breast support, presumably. ;) > > Anything like Carla Gugino on "Karen Sisco"? "Gratuitous" ain't the word > for that action! Eliza's got nothing on Carla in that department! But sadly the show the sucks. It's a way to serious hip and cool version of Early Edition. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:08:09 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Today's television offerings Quoting HSatterfld@aol.com: > <<[PS from Eb...did any of you Buffy geeks watch "Tru Calling"? I > didn't watch, but I'm mildly curious whether it's any good]>> > > If you are irritated by gaps in logic, you will probably wonder how > Tru (that's her name) got to be such a good detective without any > experience or official contacts. I expect the show to make jokes > about this in an effort to address it without actually addressing it. Much as I'd enjoy watching (emphasis on "watching") a show involving Eliza Dushku running about, I have put down an official boycott on shows and movies that hammer me over the head with witlessly allegorical names. Kee-rist on a Segway, "Tru Calling"? Garcon? My barfbag, please. Similarly, that movie a few years back called, I believe, "Poetic Justice" (no points for guessing the characters name, or her avocation), and "Good Will Hunting" ("Another one - this one's full...") Oh Charles Dickens, so much to answer for... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal :: and winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ np: Jane Siberry, in fact ("Red High Heels" from _The Walking_) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Today's television offerings Eb: >> Eliza Dushku gets to run a lot, >> accompanied by drum and bass music > > With woefully inadequate breast support, presumably. ;) Make that "wonderfully inadequate breast support".... Just kidding! While Eliza was as attractive as ever, the costume designer only gave her *moderately* revealing outfits. As for the rest of the show, I pretty much agree with what HSatterfield said (was it him? I deleted the message too soon). One of my coworkers made the same comparison to Run Lola Run. Eliza was good and the concept has potential, but a lot of the secondary characters and plot elements felt pretty contrived. Overall the show was okay, but didn't climb above the usual level of network TV. I plan to watch at least the next few episodes, but if it doesn't improve I'll probably remain just a casual, occasional viewer. Meanwhile, I had a birthday recently and wound up the day's celebration by watching Surprise/Innocence, the classic birthday two-party from Buffy season 2. But I guess everybody does that. - --a very tired Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Warner Subject: Re: bottom line gig (Robyn trade) Mike I'd be very interested in trading some Robyn or for many of the other items on your list. Let me know...I'll pass on mine in a separate email. Chris - --- mike hooker wrote: > hi, > i just got back from the late show at the bottom > line. VERY interesting > show. he really reached back and did some > oldies/rarely performed songs. > also, a noticable lack of between song banter. he > was a song machine tonite. > the place was only maybe 2/3 full. i think sometimes > he senses it might be > an audience not real familiar with his usual type of > show, and keeps the > chat part to a minimum . maybe that was the case > tonite. > anyway, i rolled a real nice DAT of it. anyone > wants to trade, let me > know. i'd like to hear the early show, plus others > from this go round. > > thanks > > have fun, > Mike Hooker > > please see my music trading list at: > http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html > being AOL, its doesnt always work. try later, or ask > for a list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Warner Subject: Re: bottom line gig (Robyn trade) MY LIST here 'tis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of MY LIST.doc] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:17:57 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: two alt-country references for the price of one >It turns out the name "zanzithophone" is just a little marketing the >Elephant 6 folks have applied to the rather less exciting name "Casio >digital horn" or DH100. My world is crumbling... Laura Carter, how could you do this to me?? >People singing out loud along with Robyn - how about this: Shut the >fuck up. Either suddenly I have lost the ability to read, but I >really thought the ticket said "Robyn Hitchcock". Do these people not >realize that there are other people around them and how they are >annoying the shit out of all of them? Yeah, that annoys me a lot too. I do often have the impulse to sing along, but I try to do it only when the music is very loud and will drown me out (or when the artist seems to be into having a singalong). Singing along at acoustic shows is a big fat no-no in my book. I didn't pay to hear you, I don't want to hear you. I was so happy when Jay Farrar played "Tear-Stained Eye," but I don't recall that off-key dude behind me being on the record. >Yelling out song requests - not that it's irritating to others for the >most part, but I get the feeling that it's annoying to the artists. >I've seen artists ask what people want to hear, but otherwise they had >gone through the trouble of making a set list. Rhett Miller said he would take requests, but only from a girl whose name began with K. Such a girl did make a request, and he took her word for it about her name - I suppose he could've checked her driver's license, but he's apparently a trusting soul. n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger with backgrounds, emoticons and more. http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/cdp_customize ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:26:52 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: two alt-country references for the price of one >>People singing out loud along with Robyn - how about this: Shut the >>fuck up. Either suddenly I have lost the ability to read, but I >>really thought the ticket said "Robyn Hitchcock". Do these people not >>realize that there are other people around them and how they are >>annoying the shit out of all of them? > >Yeah, that annoys me a lot too. Those singers are often those same hideous "We love you!" people with the starry eyes and glazed smiles. Seriously creepy. The last two shows where I vividly remember enduring such creatures were the Glenn Tilbrook and Tanya Donelly gigs, earlier this year. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:35:28 -0500 From: Robert Gilroy Subject: Re: Re: bottom line set list Woj: I'm interested, is there anything RH-related you're looking for? Bob At 10:50 AM 11/3/2003, you wrote: >going from memory on this right now. i got good recordings of both sets >but the battery's dead and i can't find the ac adaptor right now to >prompt ye olde memory. (i should have them ready for trading, etc. >sometime later this week -- feel free to get in touch if you're >interested.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:00:22 -0500 From: "Lauren Elizabeth" Subject: Re: bottom line set list Hi woj, I went up to New York to see Robyn at The Bottom Line and would love to get recordings of the shows. Unfortunately, I don't have anything to offer to trade except Bottom Line shows from about a year ago which I imagine you already have. But I would be happy to send you money or blank CDs or a SASE or whatever would be good. Let me know if that is possible; if not, I understand. Robyn doesn't seem to stop in Philadelphia these days, but it gives me an excuse to go up to New York. Thanks for the show report; is it my imagination or do only the girls give a "shirt report"? Sincerely, Lauren _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:04:14 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: bottom line gig >From: Ken Weingold >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: bottom line gig >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:48:43 -0500 >As has been said, the shows were great. Agreed, more from me later this week. I am busy working on buffing up the rough spots in my recordings(not alot mind you). Thanks to Woj I have the last couple of songs from the second show's encore. > >People singing out loud along with Robyn - how about this: Shut the >fuck up. Either suddenly I have lost the ability to read, but I >really thought the ticket said "Robyn Hitchcock". Do these people not >realize that there are other people around them and how they are >annoying the shit out of all of them? Ken, the others at the show and I discussed this between and after the shows....I agree. >Yelling out song requests - not that it's irritating to others for the >most part, but I get the feeling that it's annoying to the artists. Also if the morons who do this all the time could bother to learn the proper titles it would be slightly less than the 8x totally effing annoying crap that it will always be. Example: It's not Element Of Light, it's Airscape. >That damn "Save The Bottom Line" song. Enough said. I think it's some sort of super creepy subconcious hypnotic thing, soon everyone will be sending Alan Pepper their life's savings. Max _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:09:57 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bottom line gig On Mon, Nov 3, 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >That damn "Save The Bottom Line" song. Enough said. > > I think it's some sort of super creepy subconcious hypnotic thing, soon > everyone will be sending Alan Pepper their life's savings. Sure, dude. As long as I then own part of the club and my band is guaranteed at least a monthly spot. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:09:53 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: bottom line gig >From: "Maximilian Lang" >Reply-To: "Maximilian Lang" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: bottom line gig >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:04:14 -0500 >Ken, the others at the show and I discussed this between and after the >shows....I agree. Doy, this should read: Ken, I and the other at the show... Max _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:20:54 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: bottom line gig >From: Ken Weingold >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: bottom line gig >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:09:57 -0500 > > >That damn "Save The Bottom Line" song. Enough said. > > I think it's some sort of super creepy subconscious hypnotic thing, >soon > > everyone will be sending Alan Pepper their life's savings. >Sure, dude. As long as I then own part of the club and my band is >guaranteed at least a monthly spot. :) The company I work for was in the red for a while, until last week in fact. I think a song would have helped. 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Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:56:08 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: London airfare special Sorry about the spam-ish nature of this post, but I figured there might be a few people here in the US who might like a chance to get in on something like this. They are offering $205 roundtrip fares to London from many major US cities. There are only three days to book a flight, but you have until April 4th to complete your travel. I got in on one of these last year, and wound up catching Robyn's 50th birthday gig at Queen Elizabeth Hall. There aren't any UK Hitchcock shows posted right now, but I'm sure there are other things to do in the London area. Do any UK residents know of some interesting shows scheduled between now and April? I'd love to go back again next year, but I have other vacation plans in the works already. I hope that at least a few of us are able to take advantage of this offer. http://leisure.travelocity.com/Promotions/1,,TRAVELOCITY|1532|air_main,00.html Let me know how it works out, Marc TOP TIP: When having guests over but can't be arsed to clean, just spray furniture polish into the air. It smells like you spent all day cleaning just for them. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #411 ********************************