From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #410 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 3 2003 Volume 12 : Number 410 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: bottom line gig ["Cynthia Peterson" ] Re: bottom line set list ["Danny Lieberman" ] The Bottom Line ["Maximilian Lang" ] 24 aspect ratio on Fox [Sebastian Hagedorn ] That that is, is [David Witzany ] Re: Buffalo and Rain Cloud [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Guadalcanal Diary [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Today's television offerings [Eb ] zanzithophone [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: Gaybritshitcore! ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: bottom line gig [Ken Weingold ] Re: bottom line set list [fingerpuppets ] Re: bottom line set list [Ken Weingold ] Re: bottom line set list [Dan Davis ] Re: bottom line set list [fingerpuppets ] Re: bottom line set list [Ken Weingold ] Cultural Redneckism Revisited ["Rex.Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:41:11 -0800 From: "Cynthia Peterson" Subject: Re: bottom line gig Thanks for the info Steve. Sounds like it was a great show! Do you get an idea of which channel the Bottom Line stream will appear on? For $12.95, it might just be worth trying out Sirius for a month. Satellite radio is very intriguing. I didn't know you could also listen to it from your computer! Good way to find out if you'd like having it in your car... Cynthia - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Talkowski" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:47 AM Subject: Re: bottom line gig > On Nov 1, 2003, at 3:22 AM, mike hooker wrote: > > > hi, > > i just got back from the late show at the bottom line. VERY > > interesting > > show. he really reached back and did some oldies/rarely performed > > songs. > > Hey Mike, > > Set list please! The first show got the Beatles "She Said She > Said"(!) and the Psych Furs "Ghost In You". And "Guildford" (love this > song) and "Chinese Bones" (love this one too) and many others similar > to the Boston show. > > > also, a noticable lack of between song banter. he was a song machine > > tonite. > > That's because he was a banter machine during the first show! > > Seriously. His stream-of-obscure-consciousness was off the charts last > night. Aside from whole stories about Dylan with gesticulating, > polka-dot shirted and harmonica wielding trees, and the similarities > between him and Frank Sinatra, Robyn recited two lengthy passages from > Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask - i think that's what Robyn said it was, > "essential listening". Or something to do with meat. I really don't > know much about Beefheart but some preliminary online research reveals > the obvious influence and kindred spiritedness. Great, another artist > with a vast catalogue I'm now going to have to investigate. Anyone > care to add to Robyn's essential listening? > > He also mentioned Condoleezza Rice about 10 times. > > > the place was only maybe 2/3 full. i think sometimes he senses it > > might be > > an audience not real familiar with his usual type of show, and keeps > > the > > chat part to a minimum . maybe that was the case tonite. > > He was merely all chattered out. ;) I had a splitting headache all > day and really wanted to stay for the 2nd show but decided to enjoy the > 1st as much as I can and then walk home amidst the Halloween revelers. > I did see one Feg (Hi to Mary sitting right up against the stage). > > > anyway, i rolled a real nice DAT of it. anyone wants to trade, let > > me > > know. i'd like to hear the early show, plus others from this go round. > > Did you have a woman from Sirius Satellite Radio give > a pre Robyn "Save The Bottom Line" intro? She informed the early show > crowd that the concert was being recorded and will be broadcast in > about a week. It's not free though - looks like a one month subscript > will cost $12.95. I'd love to hear the second show if it's not > broadcast. > > -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:34:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Danny Lieberman" Subject: Re: bottom line set list OK, here's my set list for Friday night at the Bottom Line: First show - kind of a Halloweeny set I'm Only You I've Got The Hots Balloon Man Chinese Bones The Ghost in You My Wife and My Dead Wife When I Was Dead She Said She Said You Remind Me Of You I Don't Remember Guilford Keep Finding Me Idonia Uncorrected Personality Traits Devil Mask (all I can make out of the last one is) in my soul Encores You Want Me to Go The Devil's Coachman One Long Pair of Eyes Second show, I'm very glad I stayed for this! Mexican God Brenda's Iron Sledge 1974 Bass Painkiller's Song (is this new?) I've Got A Message For You More Than This De Chirico Street The Sound Of Sound Solpadine (velvet underground tune) Beautiful Girl Queen Elvis Madonna Of the Wasps 52 Stations Goodnight I Say Encores She Doesnt Exist Main Thing (incredible string band tune for David Bowie) Ride Just a brief word about Meg Griffin, Sirius Radio and the Bottom Line, The club has been in trouble with the landlord, NYU to the tune of $185,000. They are still negotiating trying to keep the club solvent and running out of that location, but it's been difficult. I keep hearing that they're making progress. No final resolution yet. Sirius has stepped in to help the club and to put concerts on the satellite broadcast - they have 100 channels to fill. Meg mentioned that Springsteen donated $100,000. Info about the situation is at www.savethebottomline.com. Meg Griffin, at the Sirius network now, was one of the DJs on WNEW-FM back in the late 70s. She was probably at a few of the other great rock stations back in the day, as well (theyre all pretty much gone, now). - -- Danny Lieberman dfl@panix.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 15:51:02 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: The Bottom Line http://www.kennedysmusic.com/SaveTheBottomLine.com.mp3 Can music sometimes hurt a cause? this song is nothing but annoying. I hate to say it because everyone is so nostalgic about it but if Mr. Pepper and Co. can't run a business then they shouldn't. At the very least they should get new seating, those chairs are torture devices. Max _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 21:51:51 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: 24 aspect ratio on Fox Hi, I bought the first two seasons of 24 on DVD, but now I don't want to wait for the third season to come out. So I got a rip of the first episode off the net. It was recorded from Global, the Canadian network that carries the series. To my suprise the aspect ratio was 4:3. The DVDs were 16:9 (letterboxed). What's the US feed on Fox like? Is letterboxing a DVD-only feature? Thanks, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:26:58 -0600 (CST) From: David Witzany Subject: That that is, is Hmmm, two posts in one year. What's up with that? The way I know this quote, with punctuation, is "That that is, is. That that is not, is not. Is that it? It is." It's in the movie "Charly", which is based on the novella "Flowers for Algernon" by Daniel Keyes. Cliff Robertson writes it on a blackboard to show his tutor that he's getting smarter. Dave. David Witzany witzany@uiuc.edu ....one of Nature's bounds checkers - ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:37:44 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Buffalo and Rain Cloud Jeff of the terpsichorean buildings a dit: >The statement "That [which] is [is the same as] that [which] is not" is >equivalent to the statement "that [which] is not [is different from] that >[which] is." 'That that is', is. 'That that is not', is not. 'That that is not' is not 'that that is'. >Do I win anything? the plaudits of fellow fegs. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:38:59 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Guadalcanal Diary >>I asked this on Loud-Fans but no one has had the definitive answer >>yet, so... isn't 1983 the wrong date? I thought WALKING IN THE >>SHADOW OF THE BIG MAN came out on DB Records in '84, and was >>re-released by Elektra in '85. Anyone remember for sure? my old vinyl (Elektra) copy says "Recorded 9/84, (P) 1985". If it was recorded in September 1984, I doubt it was released in'83. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:52:46 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Today's television offerings [PS from Eb...did any of you Buffy geeks watch "Tru Calling"? I didn't watch, but I'm mildly curious whether it's any good] HBO 2 will show all the seven first episodes of the new series "Carnivale" this afternoon. Then, HBO will show the next episode, No. 8, at 9 pm ET. "Carnivale" has caught the imagination of many, many people and is one of the most intriguing TV offerings in years. The following link presents the characters and has links to background facts about them: http://www.hbo.com/carnivale/cast/index.shtml There is also a link there to an episode guide with detailed descriptions of each one-hour show. "Carnivale" is an allegory about Ms. Heidi Klum and myself, Nick Kaffes, aka Kansan1225, our families and friends. I am symbolized by the two main characters, the "healer" Ben Hawkins and the preacher Brother Justin (or Alexi). They represent opposite, but complementary, sides of my personality, Yin and Yang. Brother Justin (Alexi) lives with Sister Iris (or Irina), who happens to be his sister, as well. Iris (Irina) represents my wife Dina, who happens to be my symbolic sister, as well. The childhood names of Sister Iris and Brother Justin, Irina and Alexi, are based on our younger daughter, Irenie Alexia. Her birthday is July 22, exactly half-way between the birthday of Archangel Heidi Klum, June 1, and September 11. The "healer" Ben is played by NICK Stahl and Brother Justin (Alexi) by Clancy BROWN. My family name, Kaffes, means "coffee" in Greek and, also, "brown", the color of coffee. Therefore, my name, Nick Kaffes, means NICK BROWN. The second episode http://www.hbo.com/carnivale/episode/season1/episode02.shtml opens with a famous dream sequence, where the two "opposites", Ben and Justin, meet at a cafe. They are joined there by their "predecessors", Scudder and the other soldier. The four of them come together at a cafe, a COFFEE shop, hinting that they represent different parts of my personality, Nick Kaffes, NICK BROWN, or NICK COFFEE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 18:37:57 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: zanzithophone It turns out the name "zanzithophone" is just a little marketing the Elephant 6 folks have applied to the rather less exciting name "Casio digital horn" or DH100. No wonder I couldn't find any references "zanzithophones" that didn't also refer to one of those bands! http://www.tedkeys.com/dh100/hornrepair.htm http://www.cybersax.com/QA/Q&A_EWIs.html I found this out while doing some googling for info on my new violin- uke, which actually has does some zither in its genes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:09:36 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Gaybritshitcore! Well that kind of comment just shows you're retarded, Jason. And probably gay... ;0) Matt >From: "Jason R. Thornton" >Reply-To: "Jason R. Thornton" >To: fgz >Subject: Re: Gaybritshitcore! >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:16:13 -0800 > >At 04:08 PM 10/31/2003 -0800, Eb wrote: > >>Avoid "South Park" at all costs. > >Dude. Only homo-mongoloids enjoy that show anyway. > > > >--Jason > > "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." > - Sherwood Anderson - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay connected whilst on the move. Now you can get Hotmail sent directly to your mobile phone. Click here for details. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:48:43 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bottom line gig As has been said, the shows were great. People singing out loud along with Robyn - how about this: Shut the fuck up. Either suddenly I have lost the ability to read, but I really thought the ticket said "Robyn Hitchcock". Do these people not realize that there are other people around them and how they are annoying the shit out of all of them? Yelling out song requests - not that it's irritating to others for the most part, but I get the feeling that it's annoying to the artists. I've seen artists ask what people want to hear, but otherwise they had gone through the trouble of making a set list. At the Black Box Recorder show people were doing the same thing, and Sarah Nixey looked out into the audience and said in a very straight-to-the-point manner, "We have a set list." That damn "Save The Bottom Line" song. Enough said. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:50:41 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: bottom line set list going from memory on this right now. i got good recordings of both sets but the battery's dead and i can't find the ac adaptor right now to prompt ye olde memory. (i should have them ready for trading, etc. sometime later this week -- feel free to get in touch if you're interested.) one time at band camp, Danny Lieberman (dfl@panix.com) said: >First show - kind of a Halloweeny set i had heard that robyn was relaxed and focused in somerville so i had high hopes for the bottom line shows -- high hopes which were met and exceeded. robyn was completely relaxed, focused and in the zone. i'm normally not a big fan of the banter but it was crisp, fast and extra-special weird without being self-conscious or irritating. i think his voice was also sounding better than it had for a while. the sound at the bottom line is usually very good but it seemed extra crystalline on friday. the setlist was good, but it was the performance and focus which made this show exemplary. >I'm Only You pretty gutsy starter even with less extensive guitar soloing than in the recent past. i guess it makes sense to pull that out early before the fingers tire but even so, you know it's a good sign when he nails all that fancy fretwork. >I've Got The Hots surprisingly, got lots of chuckles from the audience. i guess it always does but you'd think most people would know the song by now. some fun audience participation with fingersnap percussion that i think cracked robyn up a little. >Balloon Man introduced as "a new york song". one lyrics change to the pivotal line of the song: "and it rained like MY slow divorce". >Chinese Bones >The Ghost in You >My Wife and My Dead Wife >When I Was Dead >She Said She Said >You Remind Me Of You >I Don't Remember Guilford >Keep Finding Me >Idonia i really like that song. just thought you should know. >Uncorrected Personality Traits accompanied by guitar. i think i remember him doing it this way before but am not sure. tempo was faster with a rhythm guitar riff. pretty nifty. >Devil Mask >(all I can make out of the last one is) in my soul a new catchy pop song. the chorus is "i've got a full moon in my soul". >Encores >You Want Me to Go >The Devil's Coachman >One Long Pair of Eyes >Second show, I'm very glad I stayed for this! somewhat more intriguing setlist but fatigue had set in for both performer and audience. a less focused show though still good. the highs may have been higher but, overall, a more elusive show. >Mexican God >Brenda's Iron Sledge totally unexepcted. i didn't even think this song was possible without the egyptians. amusingly, it morphed into "funky town" at the end. not sure if that was impromptu or planned though. it could easily be either. >1974 >Bass preceeded by a long rant about victorian beach culture and how it lead to the likes of pauly shore. little improv about chryssie hynde in the lead-up to the "he never make love to a loaf of bread" bridge. >Painkiller's Song (is this new?) yeah, i think so. rather a downer. >I've Got A Message For You pretty standard rendition, complete with the jimmy dean voice at the end (that is jimmy dean, right?) >More Than This >De Chirico Street >The Sound Of Sound >Solpadine >(velvet underground tune) "new age" >Beautiful Girl >Queen Elvis >Madonna Of the Wasps >52 Stations >Goodnight I Say very cool rendition. quite different guitar part than on the album. >Encores >She Doesnt Exist on piano! >Main Thing >(incredible string band tune for David Bowie) >Ride all in all, well worth the effort to get to. as always, nice to see the fegs in attendance. sorry nick. no pictures were taken. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:59:57 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bottom line set list On Mon, Nov 3, 2003, fingerpuppets wrote: > >I've Got The Hots > > surprisingly, got lots of chuckles from the audience. i guess it always > does but you'd think most people would know the song by now. some fun > audience participation with fingersnap percussion that i think cracked > robyn up a little. People laughing at every little thing Robyn says as if it were the funniest thing ever said always confuses me. I just don't think Robyn's humor is that sort of funny. Oh well. We're human. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:27:59 -0500 From: Dan Davis Subject: Re: bottom line set list Hi, all, Excuse my ignorance, but is there a way us Midwesterner Fegs can happen upon any of these recordings? I don't see Robyn coming anywhere near my neck of the woods (Grand Rapids MI) any time soon... :( Dan On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 10:50 AM, fingerpuppets wrote: > going from memory on this right now. i got good recordings of both sets > but the battery's dead and i can't find the ac adaptor right now to > prompt ye olde memory. (i should have them ready for trading, etc. > sometime later this week -- feel free to get in touch if you're > interested.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:55:58 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: bottom line set list one time at band camp, Ken Weingold (bofh@unix.vi) said: >People laughing at every little thing Robyn says as if it were the >funniest thing ever said always confuses me. I just don't think >Robyn's humor is that sort of funny. i agree for the most part. there are certainly times when he comes up with something which is genuinely funny but for the most part it is mostly absurd. that generally strikes me as more amusing than guffaw-inducing but i guess we all react differently. >Oh well. We're human. or are we? woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:06:04 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bottom line set list On Mon, Nov 3, 2003, fingerpuppets wrote: > >Oh well. We're human. > > or are we? Most of us I guess. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:35:30 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Cultural Redneckism Revisited JeFFrey: >>"Music Rex likes puzzles Eb." Or... "Boom boom beloved by Broome bamboozles Broome". Hey, it's alliterative and confusing... that surely counts for something around here. __________ Jeme: >>When there's only one black family in town, there MUST be interracial >>dating. When there's only one or two gay kids, you know them well enough >>to judge them on the whole person. Y'know, I can barely even start on the cognitive dissonance between this experience and mine. The effect of living in a similar environment in my youth was *totally* different. The few black/Chinese/Jewish families were accepted by *some* (specifically the more educated) in the community. (Gays, forget about it.) But what also happened was that these local representatives came to be perceived as somehow different from their urban counterparts... maybe because they moved to a small town to begin with? Anyway, I knew kids who were personally friends with black kids and totally separately used the "n" word disparagingly about blacks in general, without a second thought. Interracial dating was a BAD THING. A few years back the football coach got in trouble for telling his team that he though it was "biblically incorrect" (new term on me, but hey, at least he got in trouble for it). This was before everyone listened to hip-hop, and hip-hop lingo was the coin of the realm in terms of youthful discourse. Who know how that's changed things. I have friends from back home who've come to visit me and they're *still* terrified by even the most unnocuous manifestations of multiculturalism in LA. So there's that. Another guy I ran into a few years after I left for college asked how I like LA, and I swear to God the first question he asked me was "But aren't there a lot of fags out there?"... apparently his primary concern. Two years ago we were visiting my folks and some friends of ours from our birthing class, a couple of lesbians with a daughter the same age as ours, were nearby in Virginia and we had them come over and meet my folks and partake of some barbecue and stuff. That was awesome. My brother and I have also both married Jewish women (and his wife is also Mexican) and my folks didn't bat an eye about it. So you never know how this stuff is going to play out. Then again, my folks are among the educated faction, so that's a big part of it. When I go back there I try to be as casual about my friends of "other persuasions" as I can. I feel that sets a better example than being didactic about it or even making a point of it. I think I've gotten okay about it over the years. Last time I was home I mentioned our married friends Nathan and Nigel and nobody seemed to care, so I didn't bother to explain that Nigel is actually a woman, and always has been. Baby steps, you know. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:12:33 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Cultural Redneckism Revisited >"Boom boom beloved by Broome bamboozles Broome". > >Hey, it's alliterative and confusing... that surely counts for something >around here. Not much...probably counts for much more on the Loud-Fans list, though. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #410 ********************************