From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #407 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 31 2003 Volume 12 : Number 407 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: emo [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RE: emo ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] reap? [Eb ] Power-Twee! ["Rex.Broome" ] first use of "alternative" [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Elephant, elephant, elephant, elephant, elephant, elephant [Jeffrey w] Re: reap? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Blackmetalgrass! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: emo [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Headheritage ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Blackmetalgrass! [Ken Weingold ] bottom line [fingerpuppets ] RE: Power-Twee! ["Iosso, Ken" ] RE: Power-Twee! ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Power-Twee! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Power-Twee! ["Bachman, Michael" ] The boston show [fingerpuppets ] Re: The boston show [plinth@kupietz.com] RE: Power-Twee! ["Iosso, Ken" ] RE: Power-Twee! [Eb ] RE: Power-Twee! [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:49:02 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: emo you know, this list is the only place I've ever heard the term emo, and I haven't a clue what it means. Most of the definitions on this list seem to be either all over the map (and covered well by other subgenre names) or "you'll know it when you hear it" (huh?). Presumably the name has something to do with the word "emotion" and very little to do with Mr Phillips. In order to tie it down a little for me, here are the names of some bands/singers. Please indicate which are emo and which aren't: Yo La Tengo, Jeremy Enigk, Ron Sexsmith, Flaming Lips, Ben Folds, Jason Falkner, Charlatans (UK), Ocean Colour Scene, Housemartins, The Clean, Martin Newell, Beta Band, Beck, Dandy Warhols, Neutral Milk Hotel. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:06:05 -0800 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: emo > Presumably the name has something to do with the word "emotion" and very > little to do with Mr Phillips. In order to tie it down a little for me, > here are the names of some bands/singers. Please indicate which are emo > and which aren't: > > Yo La Tengo, Jeremy Enigk, Ron Sexsmith, Flaming Lips, Ben Folds, Jason > Falkner, Charlatans (UK), Ocean Colour Scene, Housemartins, The Clean, > Martin Newell, Beta Band, Beck, Dandy Warhols, Neutral Milk Hotel. Only Jeremy Enigk would qualify as Emo. His work with Sunny Day Real Estate is classic Emo. His solo work is more borderline Emo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:23:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap? DreamWorks Records, sold to Universal. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:03:40 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Power-Twee! Jason T: >>I do hope the "shiver" made it clear that I own absolutely no POD nor >>blink-182, Oh, of course. Just the concept in the abstract was chilling enough. And now, back to the Genre Derby: Ken: >>All the stuff that we used to listen to in high school >>didn't seem to have a name. It would mostly later be called >>alternative. >>I don't know how old you are, but I don't remember the term >>'alternative' being used until around 1990, and that was after high >>school for me. I thought the term "alternative" was used by 120 Minutes on MTV, which was my primary outlet for the stuff before college (started in '89). I'd certainly already become tired of it before I was out of high school. Later, MTV also used the term "postmodern". I believe that about a year ago we were also talking about the totally forgotten fact that a lot of college rock stations in the pre-internet actually called it "progressive rock". Really these first bands to be called "alternative" were second (or more like first-and-a-half) generation postpunk bands. At least, as I see it, while the terms "New Wave" and "Postpunk" were kind of interchangeableat first, the latter became the "alternative" bands of the '80's whereas the former became the pop music that needed something to be alternative to it. Loosely speaking, of course... what it really means is I get to use "new wave" and "postpunk" to mean "bad" and "good" respectively. I've mentioned this before, but where I grew up the proper name for this genre was "pinhead music". S&TH: >>When I was young, "alternative" was the word we used to describe the Smiths, >>Cure, Depeche Mode, Erasure, anything produced by Stephen Hague, Jesus & >>Mary Chain, etc. But also American underground bands, yeah? Everyone from Athens and Minneapolis and the rest of 'em. They were on the college charts alongside all the Brits, anyway. I guess they're mostly thought of as "indie" these days, but you didn't hear that term too often back then. That's more of a Pavement/lo-fi thing. Put it this way... in the early '90's I joined a band that sounded like guitarish side of the above equations (REM, Bunnymen, Icicle Works or whatever) and the term "alternative" denoted exactly that style, so love it or not, we had to use it, and everyone understood it. Within a few years, though, we couldn't use that term any more because it made people thing we would have body piercings and play like Alice in Chains. We had to update it to "alternative pop", and then eventually "broken up". I think the fact that grunge or whatever became huge at the same time as more people started to get online has a thing or two to do with the name sticking to those newer bands... every newsgroup started with "alt-", so it was in the air at that time. At least I don't remember terms like alt-rock or alt-pop before that. ____ Nora: >>And that's a weird definition of power pop. I've always thought of it has melodic >>pop with harmonies and over driven guitars.[...] >>I've always thought of Big Star and Badfinger as the earliest Power Pop bands Mo' less, but to my ears Big Star doesn't always feature "overdriven" guitars. Occasionally you hear some crunch in there, but not consistently like with Cheap Trick. >>Later day examples of Power Pop acts would Teenage Fanclub, the Posies, and >>Jason Falkner. Yes... but don't most folks cite the dB's as 2nd generation power pop, though? They're not crunchy at all. The Posies were relatively genteel on their early records, too (whereas the Fannies leaned toward cleaner sounds later on). Eb: >>For me, power pop is, er...sure, heavily derived from the first >>British Invasion...punchy guitar chords mixed in, to add some rock >>'n' roll wallop... I'm down with that so far... >>I also think it tends to require a certain anonymous >>craftsmanship to the lyrics, and this is where much of the genre >>loses me. ... and I know what you mean here, but I don't draw that line for my own purposes. I mean, if you had a band that fit the exact musical definition, yet had literate or challenging lyrics, what would you call it? I'd stick with the label "power pop" and try to ignore Audities staring daggers at me across the gym floor. But that's just me. >>Though I wouldn't call Cheap Trick power-pop, either. They're hard-rock >>with pop hooks. I thought they were pretty much definitive of power-pop, even the narrower definition of it. At least for the first three records or so. But I've been wrong before. Of course it does raise the question of what "hard-rock" is. And going back to genre names which were corrupted almost as soon as they were coined... isn't it funny how the "rock" in "rock and roll" has come to be thought of almost exclusively as synonymous with "stone"? That doesn't even make any sense... stone and roll? What, like a croissant? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:33:57 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: first use of "alternative" >Ken: > >>All the stuff that we used to listen to in high school > >>didn't seem to have a name. It would mostly later be called > >>alternative. > >>I don't know how old you are, but I don't remember the term > >>'alternative' being used until around 1990, and that was after high > >>school for me. When I was a high school freshman ('87-88), my local record shop had an "Alternative" section. That's where they put the Butthole Surfers, Swans, Killing Joke... genuinely scary stuff (for a 14-year-old in Indianapolis at least). Then all of a sudden "alternative" meant Billy goddamn Corgan. harrumph. - -- dolph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:46:02 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Elephant, elephant, elephant, elephant, elephant, elephant Quoting Natalie Jacobs : > >I think E6 was a victim of critical overkill, as well as a too-much-at-once > >syndrome. I think the main E6 bands (you name all of them above - not sure > >Essex Green belongs there, though) are all quite distinctive and different > >from one > >another. > > My anal pop historian side recalls that the first Essex Green album bore the > E6 logo. I sold my copy a while ago so I can't confirm. My anal copy-editor side says that my sentence is crappy and doesn't make clear that I meant that I'm not sure the Essex Green should be regarded as one of the *main* E6 bands (i.e., one of the better, more distinctive ones). Certainly, they're *one* of the E6 bands. Your subject line reminds me - parse the following sentence (and it is a sentence): Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo. > I was divided over whether or not to class Beulah as power-pop, but > ultimately I decided they had too many bells and whistles to qualify. I see > their main influence as Pavement rather than power-pop (and strangely > enough, I still like them!). Their first album, yes - but afterwards? (Re the Pavement thing) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman lp: McLusky Do Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:48:08 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: reap? Quoting Eb : > DreamWorks Records, sold to Universal. I thought Universal already owned Dreamworks - at least, their catalog numbering system was the same as those of other UNI labels... At least, it was a few years ago. ..Jeff, trying to figure out the last Dreamworks artist he bought a CD by...Eels? J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:03:48 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Blackmetalgrass! Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > And now, back to the Genre Derby: Isn't that like some old-fashioned showbiz restaurant? > I thought the term "alternative" was used by 120 Minutes on MTV, which was > my primary outlet for the stuff before college (started in '89). I'd > certainly already become tired of it before I was out of high school. > Later, MTV also used the term "postmodern". I believe that about a year ago > we were also talking about the totally forgotten fact that a lot of college > rock stations in the pre-internet actually called it "progressive rock". Ga-whuh-hupta-wha? I never heard "progressive rock" used to describe anything but...well, progressive rock (Yes, ELP, etc.). Here is a complete list of post-whatzit musical genres. If a genre isn't listed here, that means it doesn't exist and is merely a fragment of some dumbass music critic's imagination: Punk New Wave Post-Punk Electro-Pop Techno-Pop New Romantic Hardcore Cowpunk Jangle Twee C-86* Industrial (I)** Industrial (II)** Goth College Rock Alternative Y'allternative Alt-Country Indie Lo-Fi Tofu Tofutti Tofurkey Turducken Noisecore Slowcore Sadcore Borecore Foxcore ThurstonMooreWorshipperCore Gatecore Coregate Cardboard Grunge Heavy Metal Metal Death Metal Thrash Metal Black Metal Liquid Metal Liquid Plumber Butt Rock Crap Disco 'Lectronic stuff breeding subgenres like horny rabbits on fertility drugs I'm bored with this exercise - aren't you? * Note: primarily British musical genres don't actually exist - they're invented by folks at NME etc. - so I will not list them here. Nyah-nyah-nyah. * "Industrial" initially designated music produced by bands such as Einsturzende Neubauten (add umlauts to taste) and Test Dept., which featured actual industrial implements etc.: large pieces of metal, shopping carts, PVC tubing, power drills, etc. Somehow, the name got borrowed and used to describe black-clad naysayers with loud synths, sampled dialogue from movies, and processed guitars. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: :: --Mr. Toad np: International Harvester of Sorrow - And Justice for Y'All ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:42:14 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: RE: emo >> Presumably the name has something to do with the word "emotion" and >very >> little to do with Mr Phillips. In order to tie it down a little for >me, >> here are the names of some bands/singers. Please indicate which are >emo >> and which aren't: >> >> Yo La Tengo, Jeremy Enigk, Ron Sexsmith, Flaming Lips, Ben Folds, >Jason >> Falkner, Charlatans (UK), Ocean Colour Scene, Housemartins, The Clean, >> Martin Newell, Beta Band, Beck, Dandy Warhols, Neutral Milk Hotel. > >Only Jeremy Enigk would qualify as Emo. His work with Sunny Day Real >Estate is classic Emo. His solo work is more borderline Emo. which basically shows that, even after all the explanations, I still haven't really a clue what emo is... sigh. - --- >Hmmm. I don't know how old you are, but I don't remember the term >'alternative' being used until around 1990, and that was after high >school for me. I think MTV was calling all those bands you mentioned >"New Music" in the late 80s. But that didn't make much sense to me >either. "Alternative" was definitely in use in '86 when I was assistant manager at the local student radio station. Oh, and the first band I ever heard the term power pop ascribed to was - of all people - XTC, around the time of Drums & Wires. So that term's hardly new, either. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:00:00 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Headheritage Aha... Headheritage is the website of Julian Cope... coincidentally, I saw Copey last night at the Lyric Theatre Hammersmith. It was the finest example of false metal I've ever witnessed with a really rockin band - someone Skinner on drums, Donald Ross "Donn-Eye" Skinner switching bass and guitar with Doggen (of TC Lethbridge, Spiritualized and Lupine Howl). Copey himself looked like Sky Saxon c.1985, all paramilitary gear, shades and a full-on beard. I think acid may be coming back into vogue over here - the whole show, taking place as it did in a very traditional-type, 3-level theatre, was very, well... acidic... and highly recommended. He's there tomorrow and Saturday also. He's promoting a new album "Rome Wasn't Burned in a Day". Cheers Matt >From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." >Reply-To: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." >To: Fegly Fegmania >Subject: One of the finest British indie LPs ever made >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:49:28 -0600 > >Here's a dandy old review of Underwater Moonlight, at a dandy website I just >wasted an hour at, reading reviews of records I wished I owned: > >http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/reviews/index.php?review_id=547 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:15:13 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Blackmetalgrass! On Thu, Oct 30, 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > I thought the term "alternative" was used by 120 Minutes on MTV, which was > > my primary outlet for the stuff before college (started in '89). I'd > > certainly already become tired of it before I was out of high school. > > Later, MTV also used the term "postmodern". I believe that about a year ago > > we were also talking about the totally forgotten fact that a lot of college > > rock stations in the pre-internet actually called it "progressive rock". > > Ga-whuh-hupta-wha? I never heard "progressive rock" used to describe anything > but...well, progressive rock (Yes, ELP, etc.). Yeah, I definitely remember the Progressive Rock name. In around 1990 when I got my wisdom teeth taken out, the dental surgeon gave me headphones to wear. The super cute assistant offered me Fine Young Cannibals. I said no thanks, probably with a look of "Don't offer me that pussy shit." So she said something like, "Sorry, I'm into progressive rock." - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:35:29 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: bottom line hey y'all. i've been kinda not paying attention to any plans for this evening's festivities at the bottom line. meredith (yes, allen, she exists) and i are going to try to get there by 7 but we'll have to see if traffic cooperates. i assume the usual suspects will be in attendance? woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:32:38 -0600 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Power-Twee! I've been paying only slight attention to this thread as these names seem not very important but in the 80s the two things that fit under the alternative umbrella (had there been one) were "college rock" - also indie or post-punk - Replacements, Husker Du, Minutemen, REM, Rain Parade, dBs, Jayhawks, Meat Puppets and brit-pop - Smiths, Cure, Depeche Mode, Orchestral Maneuvers etc. Just what I remember. Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: Rex.Broome [mailto:Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:04 PM To: 'fegmaniax@smoe.org' Subject: Power-Twee! Jason T: >>I do hope the "shiver" made it clear that I own absolutely no POD nor >>blink-182, Oh, of course. Just the concept in the abstract was chilling enough. And now, back to the Genre Derby: Ken: >>All the stuff that we used to listen to in high school >>didn't seem to have a name. It would mostly later be called >>alternative. >>I don't know how old you are, but I don't remember the term >>'alternative' being used until around 1990, and that was after high >>school for me. I thought the term "alternative" was used by 120 Minutes on MTV, which was my primary outlet for the stuff before college (started in '89). I'd certainly already become tired of it before I was out of high school. Later, MTV also used the term "postmodern". I believe that about a year ago we were also talking about the totally forgotten fact that a lot of college rock stations in the pre-internet actually called it "progressive rock". Really these first bands to be called "alternative" were second (or more like first-and-a-half) generation postpunk bands. At least, as I see it, while the terms "New Wave" and "Postpunk" were kind of interchangeableat first, the latter became the "alternative" bands of the '80's whereas the former became the pop music that needed something to be alternative to it. Loosely speaking, of course... what it really means is I get to use "new wave" and "postpunk" to mean "bad" and "good" respectively. I've mentioned this before, but where I grew up the proper name for this genre was "pinhead music". S&TH: >>When I was young, "alternative" was the word we used to describe the Smiths, >>Cure, Depeche Mode, Erasure, anything produced by Stephen Hague, Jesus & >>Mary Chain, etc. But also American underground bands, yeah? Everyone from Athens and Minneapolis and the rest of 'em. They were on the college charts alongside all the Brits, anyway. I guess they're mostly thought of as "indie" these days, but you didn't hear that term too often back then. That's more of a Pavement/lo-fi thing. Put it this way... in the early '90's I joined a band that sounded like guitarish side of the above equations (REM, Bunnymen, Icicle Works or whatever) and the term "alternative" denoted exactly that style, so love it or not, we had to use it, and everyone understood it. Within a few years, though, we couldn't use that term any more because it made people thing we would have body piercings and play like Alice in Chains. We had to update it to "alternative pop", and then eventually "broken up". I think the fact that grunge or whatever became huge at the same time as more people started to get online has a thing or two to do with the name sticking to those newer bands... every newsgroup started with "alt-", so it was in the air at that time. At least I don't remember terms like alt-rock or alt-pop before that. ____ Nora: >>And that's a weird definition of power pop. I've always thought of it has melodic >>pop with harmonies and over driven guitars.[...] >>I've always thought of Big Star and Badfinger as the earliest Power Pop bands Mo' less, but to my ears Big Star doesn't always feature "overdriven" guitars. Occasionally you hear some crunch in there, but not consistently like with Cheap Trick. >>Later day examples of Power Pop acts would Teenage Fanclub, the Posies, and >>Jason Falkner. Yes... but don't most folks cite the dB's as 2nd generation power pop, though? They're not crunchy at all. The Posies were relatively genteel on their early records, too (whereas the Fannies leaned toward cleaner sounds later on). Eb: >>For me, power pop is, er...sure, heavily derived from the first >>British Invasion...punchy guitar chords mixed in, to add some rock >>'n' roll wallop... I'm down with that so far... >>I also think it tends to require a certain anonymous >>craftsmanship to the lyrics, and this is where much of the genre >>loses me. ... and I know what you mean here, but I don't draw that line for my own purposes. I mean, if you had a band that fit the exact musical definition, yet had literate or challenging lyrics, what would you call it? I'd stick with the label "power pop" and try to ignore Audities staring daggers at me across the gym floor. But that's just me. >>Though I wouldn't call Cheap Trick power-pop, either. They're hard-rock >>with pop hooks. I thought they were pretty much definitive of power-pop, even the narrower definition of it. At least for the first three records or so. But I've been wrong before. Of course it does raise the question of what "hard-rock" is. And going back to genre names which were corrupted almost as soon as they were coined... isn't it funny how the "rock" in "rock and roll" has come to be thought of almost exclusively as synonymous with "stone"? That doesn't even make any sense... stone and roll? What, like a croissant? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:49:59 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: Power-Twee! >>in the 80s the two things that fit under the >>alternative umbrella (had there been one) were "college rock" - also >>indie or post-punk - Replacements, Husker Du, Minutemen, REM, >>Rain Parade, dBs, Jayhawks, Meat Puppets and brit-pop - Smiths, Cure, >>Depeche Mode, Orchestral Maneuvers etc. Yup! - -Rex, Shortest. Post. Ever. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:38:08 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: Power-Twee! At 09:49 AM 10/31/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: > >>in the 80s the two things that fit under the > >>alternative umbrella (had there been one) were "college rock" - also > >>indie or post-punk - Replacements, Husker Du, Minutemen, REM, > >>Rain Parade, dBs, Jayhawks, Meat Puppets and brit-pop - Smiths, Cure, > >>Depeche Mode, Orchestral Maneuvers etc. > >Yup! > >-Rex, Shortest. Post. Ever. No. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:23:02 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Power-Twee! At 09:49 AM 10/31/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: > >>in the 80s the two things that fit under the > >>alternative umbrella (had there been one) were "college rock" - also > >>indie or post-punk - Replacements, Husker Du, Minutemen, REM, > >>Rain Parade, dBs, Jayhawks, Meat Puppets and brit-pop - Smiths, Cure, > >>Depeche Mode, Orchestral Maneuvers etc. > >Yup! > >-Rex, Shortest. Post. Ever. The Rain Parade were know as a Paisley Underground group, I never remember them being called anything else. Along with Green on Red, The Dream Syndicate, Bangles, The Three O' Clock and True West, I would say that the PU was an early enough style and well know enough that it stands on it's own. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:46:04 -0500 From: fingerpuppets Subject: The boston show - ----- Forwarded message from Michael McGourty ----- Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:08:13 -0500 From: Michael McGourty To: woj@smoe.org Subject: The boston show Thought I'd drop a line regarding last nights show - Johnny D's in Somerville Ma. The show was great, Robyn was in great spirit and voice, I think that Halloween pending may have influenced the setlist, and inter-song banter. Here is a setlist : I'm only you I've got the hots Chinese Bones Balloon Man Ghost in You (Psych Furs) When I was dead My Wife and my Dead Wife Queen Elvis You remind me of you Uncorrected Personality Traits Heaven Keep Finding Me Sleeping with your devil mask Full moon in my soul (I'm guessing the title from the lyrics) - --------------------------------------------- Encore : The Sound of Sound I often dream of Trains La Cherite Goodnight I say All in all, it was a great show. It's been several years since Robyn has played in the Boston area, great to see him back in "The Hub". The opening act was three guys from a local band called the Pills and they were excellent as well.... regards : Mike - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: 31 Oct 2003 18:47:40 -0000 From: plinth@kupietz.com Subject: Re: The boston show Hi there, I'm very sorry for the inconvenience, but this is an automatically-generated response to let you know I have changed my email address, so I did not receive the email you sent to "plinth@kupietz.com". Please re-send your email to my new address. My new address is ____@kupietz.com, where ____ is the word that goes in the blank in this sentence: "Brenda's iron sledge, Please don't call me ____, it's not my name." If you don't know what goes in the blank there, visit this link and you will see the missing word in boldface somewhere on the page: http://tinyurl.com/t1qo (it's a shortened link to a page of Google results that contain the missing word.) Thanks! Sorry again for the inconvenience. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:03:31 -0600 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Power-Twee! Very excited as I'm seeing Belle and Sebastian tonight in Saint Paul, MN and I even have a kilt to wear (it is Halloween, ye disrespectful knob!) There has never been a better emo-twee-folk-rock-jangle-pop-baroque combo in the world! Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: Bachman, Michael [mailto:Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:23 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: Power-Twee! At 09:49 AM 10/31/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: > >>in the 80s the two things that fit under the > >>alternative umbrella (had there been one) were "college rock" - also > >>indie or post-punk - Replacements, Husker Du, Minutemen, REM, > >>Rain Parade, dBs, Jayhawks, Meat Puppets and brit-pop - Smiths, Cure, > >>Depeche Mode, Orchestral Maneuvers etc. > >Yup! > >-Rex, Shortest. Post. Ever. The Rain Parade were know as a Paisley Underground group, I never remember them being called anything else. Along with Green on Red, The Dream Syndicate, Bangles, The Three O' Clock and True West, I would say that the PU was an early enough style and well know enough that it stands on it's own. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:41:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Power-Twee! >I've been paying only slight attention to this thread as these names seem >not very important but in the 80s the two things that fit under the >alternative umbrella (had there been one) were "college rock" - also indie >or post-punk - Replacements, Husker Du, Minutemen, REM, Rain Parade, dBs, >Jayhawks, Meat Puppets and brit-pop - Smiths, Cure, Depeche Mode, Orchestral >Maneuvers etc. I never heard the term "Britpop" until the Oasis/Blur era. What you called Brit-pop, I was more likely to hear called "synth-pop," "New Wave," "New Romantic" or "that gay British shit." Also, "college rock" definitely ruled the day over "alternative." I might have even heard "post-modern" more than "alternative," during the late '80s. Didn't hear "progressive" so much, myself. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Power-Twee! On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Eb wrote: > I never heard the term "Britpop" until the Oasis/Blur era. I certainly knew the term in the mid/late-eighties. > What you called Brit-pop, I was more likely to hear called "synth-pop," > "New Wave," "New Romantic" or "that gay British shit." I don't, however, remember hearing "gay" as a derogatory adjective until the mid-nineties. > Also, "college rock" definitely ruled the day over "alternative." I > might have even heard "post-modern" more than "alternative," during the > late '80s. Aye. And sometimes merely "modern rock" as in the Columbia House category. > Didn't hear "progressive" so much, myself. Very little. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #407 ********************************