From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #404 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 29 2003 Volume 12 : Number 404 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fletcher's 10-28-03 [mary ] Re: Solar Flares to hit the EARTH! [Capuchin ] "emo" explained, maybe ["Rex.Broome" ] Hey! [jthornto@ucsd.edu] The Tour! The Tour! (0% off topic. sorry) [Nick ] RE: "emo" explained, maybe ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] Re: "emo" explained, maybe [Capuchin ] RE: [sfbayfegs] The Tour! The Tour! (0% off topic. sorry) ["Cynthia Peter] Who the fuck is Emmeline Grangerford, anyways? [Jeff Dwarf ] Micro$haft Employee loses job over blog post (No RH) [Steve Talkowski ] RE: [sfbayfegs] The Tour! The Tour! (0% off topic. sorry) ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! [Steve Talkowski ] City of Women [UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com] Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! [Eb ] kicking your shins ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! [Eb ] "The Perfect Fire" ["The Mammal Brain" ] Nardwuar The Human Serviette vs. Pennywise ["The Mammal Brain" Subject: Re: Fletcher's 10-28-03 At 10:55 AM 10/29/2003 -0500, Roberta wrote: >Here is the set list from last night's show at Fletcher's in Baltimore: Looks like the set has an October feel to it (I guess you can say most of Robyn's stuff has an October feel to it - probably why I love him so). I wonder if there's any chance he'll play "Eerie Green Storm Lantern" for us on Halloween. Looking forward to a relaxing evening of autumn-flavoured songs, thrilling tales, and good company! s.Mary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Solar Flares to hit the EARTH! On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Brian wrote: > Repent now! > We're all doomed. > Eb and Cap hold hands and make up, it may be your last chance! > I hope we get some luminous lights and all are safe. Man, they were playing up the fear and paranoia on the local news last night. (My roommate Paul turned on the television while choosing which video to watch.) It was really stunning. I haven't watched local news in probably a year. I couldn't imagine being subjected to that crap night after night. Is it always so urgent and frightening? Does that really work on people? Ack. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:51:23 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: "emo" explained, maybe Thomas: >>but then i'm guessing, based on various opinions expressed on feg, that >>many of you would be dying of shame to admit to owning, say, nearly <>or oingo boingo, That's not too bad... >>or howard jones . . . right? Hmmm. Not sure... ___________ Aaron re: confusion over "emo": >>Talking Heads and Black Flag don't sound anything alike. >>And half those kids with black leather jackets just listen to The Cure! >>Are The Cure punk? >>And how can the MC5 and the New York Dolls both be contenders for 'first >>punk band'? They don't sound alike either! Fair enough. But my confusion over the term "emo" is that it seems to apply not only to a wide profusion of styles, but styles which already have names. Not that genre labels are great or anything, but to my ears, if these bands are "emo", so would be Sonic Youth, Blink 182, and Black Flag, sure. "Punk", nebulous a term as it is, certainly has a more consistent "I know it when I hear it" aspect to it. Another funny thing is how every band that's thought to be "emo" disavows the label... maybe that's the determining, unifying factor right there! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:15:37 -0800 (PST) From: jthornto@ucsd.edu Subject: Hey! Hi all, Despite the Cedar Fire coming within a mile of the townhouse where I live, I'm alive and well and all my belongings are intact. I haven't been home much or at work the past few days. I decided to get the fuck out of Dodge Sunday night after driving to a business park less than a mile from my place and seeing flames across the freeway. I stayed up at a friend's place that evening. Luckily, the fire didn't make it beyond the point where I saw it, which if you look on maps was pretty much the most SouthWest point in that fire zone. I'm sure the ocean breezes that evening kept it at bay. Still, I didn't feel comfortable going to sleep there with even the possibility of it creeping closer, especially with a big canyon right off my back patio. Went home Monday morning, but the billowing smoke was responsible for such awful air quality, I decided to come up to Hermosa Beach in LA Monday night where the air is much cleaner. The University has been closed the past three days, so I haven't been in the office since last Friday. Anyway, I haven't read much of my email yet, so if anyone wrote to me personally, I promise to get back to you soon. I did a phone message from Marc last night, inquiring about my well-being. Sorry, man, but I didn't have your number programmed into my phone and didn't get a chance to call you back. And yes Marc, I'm still planning on going to Largo. :) More later, folks... - --Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:13:23 -0800 From: Nick Subject: The Tour! The Tour! (0% off topic. sorry) Hi all. Sorry to interrupt your regularly scheduled Eb n' Cap party hour. Just de-lurking for a moment to see if anyone's planning to attend those West coast Robyn shows (Hitchcock? Remember him?). I'll be at the GAMH for sure, but I'm also thinking of doing the groupie thing and going up to Seattle. (If there's a quorum maybe we can join hands and telepathically communicate with the Great Quail, even now incarcerated in the underground lair of the evil Professor Fane.) By-the-by, fegfotos.com is still alive and has survived several server changes (apart from the demise of a few minor search functions). It's been a while since I got anything new up there, but any fegs going to see Robyn this tour who wish to have their likenesses added to this august record just have to get their pic taken with a fellow feg and get it to me. Give me a shout if you plan to go and want to meet up. ~Nick (Not feeling guilty about any of my pleasures ... not even my terminally unhip music collection.) Oh, and may I have a gratuitous "Fuck you Tom Clark!", just for old time's sake? Thanks. I feel better for that. - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:13:50 -0800 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: "emo" explained, maybe When I was a teen in the early 90's all my straight edge punk friends usually described Emo or Emocore, as it was more commonly known in these parts, as post punk sounding music that sounds like Fugazi with more tortured sensitive boy lyrics expounding on pain. I asked my 17 year old step sister and she said that emo is more about lyrical content that a specific sound. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:41:37 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: "emo" explained, maybe >>I asked my 17 year >>old step sister and she said that emo is more about lyrical content that >>a specific sound. I guess that's what my nephew was saying, too (he was fairly disparaging of the whole thing, it seemed). That's interesting... I can't think of any other musical subgroup that's specifically organized around lyrical concerns. Usually when bands with highly divergent sounds get lumped together it's on account of geography or being on the same label or whatever. I guess the age of the performers and fans is another determining factor here, too. My nephew also threw out another genre that was new to me, but I forget what he called it. New-style political hardcore. Sounded mostly like old-school political hardcore, but I guess it's called something else now. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:34:24 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: "emo" explained, maybe On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > But my confusion over the term "emo" is that it seems to apply not only > to a wide profusion of styles, but styles which already have names. Not > that genre labels are great or anything, but to my ears, if these bands > are "emo", so would be Sonic Youth, Blink 182, and Black Flag, sure. > "Punk", nebulous a term as it is, certainly has a more consistent "I > know it when I hear it" aspect to it. I think you're listening for the wrong things, Rex. You're a musician type and if I may judge from your posts related to your favorites, essentials, and so on, you seem to pay attention to technical detail and musicianship. Historically, musical styles are defined by these traits. Emo doesn't work that way. It doesn't describe the music, it describes the attitude. It's actually a somewhat derrogatory term, so there's no wonder the artists shun it. Emo has been around a really long time, it just hasn't had a name before. Much of what has been called shoegazer or twee is probably emo. It's about self-obsession, mostly. And yeah, you know it when you hear it. My friend Jodi knows about fifty different kinds of metal. We joke about it constantly and she gets really upset. But in a few bars she can tell us whether something is speed metal, adventure metal, sludge, power metal, and so on. Adventure metal seemed somewhat unique in her description as it appeared to apply to the thematic material, but then she was listening to something that she called adventure metal that was all instrumental, so that's out the window. And all of her friends know it when they hear it. Me, I just know if I like it. > Another funny thing is how every band that's thought to be "emo" > disavows the label... maybe that's the determining, unifying factor > right there! Now THAT is a fogeyism. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:17:43 -0800 From: "Cynthia Peterson" Subject: RE: [sfbayfegs] The Tour! The Tour! (0% off topic. sorry) Hey that's right---there's a tour! Sadly, there will be no groupiism for me this time around. But I can commit to attending the Crocodile show in Seattle.=20 =20 Note to the travel-inclined: my spare room is empty, and the futon is free, should anyone wish to sample Seattle's island lifestyle (and island commute). =20 Cynthia =20 "Who's Tom Clark?" ________________________________ From: Nick [mailto:njaz@email.com]=20 ...Just de-lurking for a moment to see if anyone's planning to attend those West coast Robyn shows (Hitchcock? Remember him?). I'll be at the GAMH for sure, but I'm also thinking of doing the groupie thing and going up to Seattle. (If there's a quorum maybe we can join hands and telepathically communicate with the Great Quail, even now incarcerated in the underground lair of the evil Professor Fane.) ~~Nick ... Oh, and may I have a gratuitous "Fuck you Tom Clark!", just for old time's sake? Thanks. I feel better for that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Who the fuck is Emmeline Grangerford, anyways? Miles Goosens wrote: > And still on the "guilt" tip, how about a Rexian > subcategory for "bands that don't carry a critical > stigma, but you still wouldn't identify yourself as > 'a ______ fan' when first meeting someone." Two > that occur to me immediately are the > Smiths/Morrissey and the Cure -- both have sound > critical reputations, but identifying yourself as a > fan of either pretty much conveys "I still live with > my parents, keep a scrapbook of obituaries, and take > everything way seriously." It's like saying you're > Emmeline Grangerford or somethin.' The overseriousness of some Smiths/Moz and Cure fans is especially peculiar since both are artists that wore having a sense of humor out on their sleeves. Both Cure and Smiths records are littered with black humor and little joking asides -- even the most dire Cure albums ends (Porno) ends with Robert howling he must "fight this sickness, find The Cure" -- and The Cure's videos were frequently funny as hell (how po-faced can a band be when the lead singer is wearing a bear suit or being dropped into a giant spider?). At least Depeche Mode weren't that funny, so you can see how some DM fans might fall over that cliff. ===== Tom Rodebaugh wrote: > but then i'm guessing, based on various opinions > expressed on feg, that many of you would be dying of > shame to admit to owning, say, nearly everything by > the pet shop boys, or oingo boingo, or > howard jones . . . right? Me 47 on PSB and OB not being worthy of embarassment, even with the increasingly uselessness of Elfman's film scores. ===== Aaron Mandel wrote: re: "emo" > Okay. Imagine it's 1983, and for some reason the > word "punk" has only just become well-known. > > What's "punk"? Talking Heads and Black Flag don't > sound anything alike. And half those kids with black > leather jackets just listen to The Cure! > Are The Cure punk? But even at that point, punk had split into two fairly distinct meetings: the "sound" (where Black Flag would fall in) and the DIY methodology (a la Talking Heads). Emo always seems to be all over the place. Except for it all sucking, of course. (as for The Cure, _Three Imaginary Boys_ actually sounds more punk than the rest of their career, though in a more Wire sort of way. and were goth and punk really that distinct yet at that poing? not that The Cure are really all that goth either.) ===== "Rex.Broome" wrote: > JeFFrey: > >> closed followed by The Jennifers. > > BTW: when did half of them turn into either "Jen" > or "Jenna"? I thought they turned into Supergrass "Just Got Back Today" is a great little song. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:20:55 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Read yer Huck Finn [was: Who the fuck is Emmeline Grangerford, anyways?] At 12:12 PM 10/29/2003 -0800, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >The overseriousness of some Smiths/Moz and Cure fans >is especially peculiar since both are artists that >wore having a sense of humor out on their sleeves. I completely agree, and usually add that as an aside when talking about those artists. I didn't this time because, well, I usually add it and thought that maybe this time I wouldn't. I wouldn't like the Smiths/Moz and the Cure as well as I do if they didn't have a sense of humor. >At >least Depeche Mode weren't that funny, so you can see >how some DM fans might fall over that cliff. DM has always been capable of Far Too Serious, but they can also be quite funny, mostly in their videos (the cowboy gear in "Personal Jesus" comes to mind). I mean, I count them as a minor group compared to our former subjects, but I've enjoyed a handful of their songs and even more of their vids over the years. The excesses of their fans are somewhat more understandable than those of Cure & Smiths/Moz fans, but not by a wide margin or anything. the Arkansas interlude is great too, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:28:08 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Solar Flares to hit the EARTH! >Man, they were playing up the fear and paranoia on the local news last >night. (My roommate Paul turned on the television while choosing which >video to watch.) > >It was really stunning. I haven't watched local news in probably a year. >I couldn't imagine being subjected to that crap night after night. > >Is it always so urgent and frightening? Does that really work on people? Only us softheaded, tractable sheep in the media-brainwashed mainstream. The brilliant cynics of the radical intelligentsia are far too clever to fall for any such strategies. Though I suspect you knew this, already. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:33:30 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Micro$haft Employee loses job over blog post (No RH) How this is a "security violation" in Microsoft's eyes is beyond me. It's a picture of a truck with a few palettes of G5's being unloaded. No building or security breech is discernible. http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/of_blogging_and.html Hey Jason Brown, what's up with that? ;) - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:36:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: I knew that, I'm just brain dead today [was: Read yer Huck Finn [was: Who the fuck is Emmeline Grangerford, anyways?]] Miles Goosens wrote: > At 12:12 PM 10/29/2003 -0800, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > >The overseriousness of some Smiths/Moz and Cure > fans > >is especially peculiar since both are artists that > >wore having a sense of humor out on their sleeves. > > I completely agree, and usually add that as an aside > when talking about those artists. I didn't this > time because, well, I usually add it and thought > that maybe this time I wouldn't. I wouldn't like > the Smiths/Moz and the Cure as well as I do if they > didn't have a sense of humor. Absolutely. > >At > >least Depeche Mode weren't that funny, so you can > see > >how some DM fans might fall over that cliff. > > DM has always been capable of Far Too Serious, but > they can also be quite funny, mostly in their videos > (the cowboy gear in "Personal Jesus" comes to mind). > I mean, I count them as a minor group compared to > our former subjects, but I've enjoyed a handful of > their songs and even more of their vids over the > years. The excesses of their fans are somewhat more > understandable than those of Cure & Smiths/Moz fans, > but not by a wide margin or anything. I actually think of the three of them (and New Order) as pretty much hand in hand in hand (in hand). DM were funny at times, but not as funny as the other three (and also had a higher ratio of failed jokes: the video to "It's No Good" comes to mind). DM themselves were never particularly humorless; they just weren't as good at telling jokes. > the Arkansas interlude is great too, > > Miles ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:37:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! >Godwin: > >Eric Burdon & the Animals/The Greatest Hits of Eric Burdon & the > > >Animals (1969) > > 1. River Deep, Mountain High >> 2. San Franciscan Nights >> 3. Year of the Guru >> 4. Anything >> 5. Monterey >> 6. White Houses >> 7. Winds of Change >> 8. To Love Somebody > > 9. Sky Pilot > >The other songs I liked were "When I was young", >which was a big US hit but made no impact in the UK I've wondered in the past why "When I Was Young" isn't on the above album. Seems like a glaring oversight, because it certainly gets more airplay than at least half those songs. I don't recall the chronology...maybe it came out after this compilation was released? >saw >the Pink Floyd >Tomorrow >Hendrix >Traffic >the Soft Machine >the Move Siiiiiigh. Eb PS "24" rocked. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:43:31 -0800 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: RE: [sfbayfegs] The Tour! The Tour! (0% off topic. sorry) This one time at band camp, Cynthia Peterson wrote: >"Who's Tom Clark?" That would be a wonderfully enigmatic bumper sticker to have affixed to one's car, don't you think? "Whenever I face a difficult life choice, I find it's a good idea to stop, reflect and ask, 'What Would Tom Clark Do?'" - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:35:34 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: The Animals Mike Godwin said: "The other songs I liked were "When I was young", which was a big US hit but made no impact in the UK; and "Monterey" ('The Grateful Dead blew everybody's minds, yeah')." Oh, both of these songs are faves. Also "Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood", which is practically my theme song. I never did see them but once when I was about 14 they appeared in Hamilton, Ontario and my mother saw the crowds of people gathered to see their concert, so it's like I came *this close* to seeing them. "When I Was Young" lyric I liked though it was lame: "Met my first love at 15, She was brown, and I was pretty green". (Note to Eb and Rex in California: I care. Lots of us care.) Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:55:51 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! On Oct 29, 2003, at 3:37 PM, Eb wrote: > PS "24" rocked. :) I watched my first episode to see what all the fuss is about. It was "ok". That scene of the bodies being dumped off the truck was pretty disturbing... I do love Conan's swipe at the show though, in his "60" satire, showing single, one-second episodes, complete with full opening and closing credits three or four times in a row. - -Steve, who's never, ever heard of the term "EMO" until just now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:54:02 -0500 From: UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com Subject: City of Women Yesterday I picked up Wig in a Box, the Hedwig and the Angry Inch tribute, yesterday and I am really taken with the whole thing. I absolutely love TMBG's "The Long Grift", Rufus Wainwright's "The Origin of Love, and Cyndi Lauper and the Minus 5's "Midnight Radio". All the other tracks are great except for Bob Mould's remix of "Nailed". I was looking forward to this track a lot thinking it would be a cover but it turned out to be the worst kind of disco remix shit. Bob how could you! Other wise its one of the best tribute records I've heard. I was surprised to find that the Robyn track "City of Women" was an original inspired by Hedwig. It sounds a lot like something off of Side Three with some early Robyn sax. It features Kimberley on guitar, Morris on Drums, Paul Noble on Bass, and Terry Edwards on Sax. I love this song and I really hope Robyn records more with this band. The whole thing is very Soft Boysey. This track confirms my suspicion that Kimberely and Morris are more essential to the Soft Boys' sound than Andy or Matthew. No offense intended to Andy or Matthew of course. Later, Nora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:25:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! >>PS "24" rocked. :) > >I watched my first episode to see what all the fuss is about. > >It was "ok". Naturally, it would be a far better show if it was animated. Or if Heidi Klum was a co-star. >I do love Conan's swipe at the show though, in his "60" satire, >showing single, one-second episodes, complete with full opening and >closing credits three or four times in a row. That sounds funny...sorry I missed this. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:30:24 -0800 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: kicking your shins >One thing I feel no guilt about (and I don't feel guilt about much) is >loving the Shins. Their new album is kicking my ass all over town. I really like it too. I don't like it quite as much as the first one, but it's definitely a keeper. I was lucky enough to hear a lot of the songs before the album was released, at a totally insane show at the now-defunct Blackbird - I can't remember if I posted my review, I think I'm getting senile... anyway, listening to the album brings back happy memories of that show and the Blackbird. >That's the interesting bit, really. You are far more forgiving of that >whole E6 thing that I am. E6 was really the defining factor of my >fogeyhood. I just didn't see what was so great about a bunch of >mostly-okay-but-not-earthshattering power pop bands I think we're once again in alternate universes, as I have no idea how Neutral Milk Hotel, Of Montreal, the Music Tapes, Elf Power, Beulah, the Essex Green, and the Olivia Tremor Control fit that description. (The Music Tapes are "power pop"?? Have you ever had the misfortune to actually hear them?) The Apples in Stereo and the Minders veer in that direction, but the self-conscious "retro" slant might disqualify them. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the term "power pop," I dunno... Anyway, you have nothing to fear, Robert Schneider himself has declared E6 to be officially dead. cheers, n. _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:56:05 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! On Oct 29, 2003, at 4:25 PM, Eb wrote: >>> PS "24" rocked. :) >> >> I watched my first episode to see what all the fuss is about. >> >> It was "ok". > > Naturally, it would be a far better show if it was animated. Only if it was done in anime style, like that incredible sequence Production IG did for "Kill Bill Vol I". I tried to watch 24 a few times last season but just couldn't get into it. I prefer NYPD Blue, Six Feet Under and The Sopranos. > Or if Heidi Klum was a co-star. That might get me to watch. Though, the numerology story-line would probably turn me off... ;) >> I do love Conan's swipe at the show though, in his "60" satire, >> showing single, one-second episodes, complete with full opening and >> closing credits three or four times in a row. > > That sounds funny...sorry I missed this. It really is - Conan builds it up and then you get a full blown intro, 1 second clip and outro. Then he gets all "Man, that was such a compelling episdoe! I can't wait until next week, wanna see the next installment?" and does this 3 or 4 times. It's hilarious. Just like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog last night was. He's got a rap album out now! Come Poop With Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:10:57 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! >Come Poop With Me > > Subject: "The Perfect Fire" . i very highly recommend the author's book Late-Victorian Holocausts. haven't read any of his other books, though they look interesting as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:29:28 -0800 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: Nardwuar The Human Serviette vs. Pennywise Nardwuar: Who are you? Fletcher: I am Fletcher from Pennywise. Nardwuar: Fletcher from Pennywise, welcome to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. We have a little gift here for you [Nardwuar hands Fletcher an old Vancouver gig poster], And what do you see right here? Fletcher: I see the Subhumans, which were one of my favourite bands of the day, "Slave to my 'Privates'. " (Slave to my Dick) Wow, this is some good stuff; this is an old, old punk-rock flyer. Nardwuar: From Vancouver, British Columbia Canada. [ reading poster ] "Oh Canaduh, what's wrong with you?" Fletcher: Your borders, your customs agents--- Nardwuar: But our bands are just great, right? Like the Subhumans, 'cause you saw the Subhumans play with Black Flag years ago, right? Fletcher: Right, in a kitchen in Carson, Henry Rollins' first performance, with DOA. I mean, come on. Two of the best bands ever out of Canada, I would have to say. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise, we're here at the Warped Tour. Can you please tell me the story? You and Kid Rock and Kid Rock's chain. Fletcher: Oh, man. Yeah, what if he gets mad? He's got a bunch of Hell's Angels on his side now. Well, I came out on the Warped Tour to see some shows, we weren't playing on it. Kid Rock's manager was being extremely lame apparently, trying to get them better billing, get him onto the main stage and get him better positioning and Kevin Lyman and Darryl Eaton, two of the Warped Tour godfathers, got me really drunk and egged me on to go after Kid Rock and kind of teach him a lesson. And it kind of turned into "What do you want to be when you grow up?" and he said he wanted to be a rock star with all the bitches and money like us. And I was thinking like, "Well, we don't have a lot of money and we definitely don't have the chicks hanging around our bus," but he got it eventually in the end. And I said, "We're gonna have to make a little sacrifice for your stardom" and I kind of ripped his chain off his neck and threw it in the swamp. Nardwuar: Which is sacrilege to a rapper, right? Fletcher: Uh, I don't know. I actually ripped mine off afterwards and said I'm gonna join you in the sacrifice, but he was pretty bent out of shape. The next day when I went on stage when they were playing and I think he was drinking a beer and I took it away from him and drank it, like right in the middle of a song and did some stuff and got chased by about seven security guards and knocked over all the motorcycles -- stuff like that, you know, the usual fare. Nardwuar: What's the aftermath? Have you seen him since? Fletcher: The next day when I came back to assess the damages, which were some broken bus windows, some damage to a semi, some motorcycles and a couple of other things, I had to apologize to him and say, "Hey, sorry about that." And so he brought, like, nine guys with him, I said have him meet me over here, so he brought nine guys and claimed that I came at him "gangster style." And I'm like, "Gangster style? I was by myself." So whatever. He wound up being pretty cool about the whole thing. I offered to buy him a new necklace 'cause the bummer was that his son bought it for him and it was a gift so I felt bad, so I bought him a new necklace. So I think the one you see now is the one I paid for. But he actually wound up being a cool guy and, you know, he got really famous. I saw him a couple of years later and said, "I guess the joke's on me now" and he said, "I guess so." [laughs] Nardwuar: It's funny Fletcher, all these famous bands started on The Warped Tour. For instance Eminem and D12, and didn't you fight D12 as well Fletcher of Pennywise? Fletcher: No, no, no, there was this incident you see. See how stuff gets misinterpreted? There was an incident where D12 was going after...I think it was Kool Keith, it was another rapper on that tour. I just happened to be walking around a bus and I saw 15 guys chasing two guys and eventually pummeling them. I was with one of The Warped Tour guys and I said, like, "Let's go" and he was, like, "Whoa dude!" So we ran in there, and we didn't throw any blows, and we just said "Hey get off him!" They all got up pretty quick and ran back to their bus and got surrounded by police. They tried to make a quick getaway on their bus, but it didn't work out too well. The cops were on them in a heartbeat, and the guy got beat up pretty bad. I said "That's not how we do it y'know, no rat-packin' and yellin' and stuff." This guy twice my size gets up and goes "That's how we do it" and I was like, "Oh." It wasn't too bad, they were cool. Nardwuar: Other Warped Tour experiences. Didn't you come against Eminem, wasn't he on a Warped Tour then, Fletcher? Fletcher: Yes he was, but I didn't have any problems with Eminem. Nardwuar: Just his posse. Fletcher: I remember when we played here (University of British Columbia) in this very spot with Eminem, I believe, and we were on after him. And when he was singing "My Name Is, My Name Is What?" and the whole crowd just screamed "Pennywise", and we felt pretty bad 'cause we were waiting to go on and they were all waiting for us. That was back when he was a little bit smaller. He was actually, you know, I didn't see that much of him. He always had a bodyguard and ran back to the bus and didn't hang out very much. You know, whatever. Nardwuar: Fletcher, how has The Warped Tour changed? Like this year, you're one of the few independent bands, like you and Mad Caddies. There's not many independent bands on The Warped Tour is there? Fletcher: At the moment there isn't. I mean I think it's not The Warped Tour that's changed. I think it's punk rock, or so-called punk rock in general. All these bands that are claiming to be, y'know, into the scene and into punk rock are basically signing to major labels. Hey, that's their prerogative, and I'm not going to bag on them, they can do whatever they want. It's just kind of, I don't know, it's become so commercial and becoming so accepted by the masses, that's tainting the scene a little bit and then you get a bunch of bands on The Warped Tour. This is our first show, so I haven't really been out to see what the vibe is with all these bands that are on major labels. Nardwuar: How many indie bands are on the tour, do you know? Fletcher: I have no idea, but you know it's probably outweighed by major label bands. Which is really weird on The Warped Tour, you know? Nardwuar: Fletcher you talk about punk getting popular. Check out this Guitar Magazine cover [Nardwuar hands Fletcher the Magazine] , and I love what it says. What does it say right there? Fletcher: "How To Play Punk Rock: Good Charlotte, Pennywise, Dropkick Murphys." I haven't seen this. Nardwuar: How do you play punk rock Fletcher, how do you play punk rock? Fletcher: Not like Good Charlotte [laughs]. Nardwuar: Isn't that wild though? I just can't believe what it's come to: "How to play punk rock" and there's Good Charlotte! Fletcher: That's pretty scary, I'm kind of at a loss for words seeing this. Like I said, everyone's into their own thing. I'm not going to bag on anyone for doing what they do. I play punk rock by getting--- Nardwuar: At least they ask you though. At least it does mention Pennywise. Fletcher: Yeah, I haven't seen the article, so I don't know what I said in here, but I'm sure there are probably some people that are mad at me. But I play punk rock. I have a couple beers before the show, maybe a couple White Russians, and go out there and have a good time and not really care too much about how we look or how we act. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise, I thought I'd give you this button right here. "Ask Me How To Play Punk Rock" since you are in Guitar Magazine. Fletcher: Excellent. You know, I'm going to wear this with pride. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise, [singing] "Wake up, wake up, whoaaa!" The band Goldfinger has a song called "Wake Up" and I think Pennywise does too? Fletcher: Yep, we have a song called "Wake Up." But ours is about the president of our record label being strung out on crack and heroin and me going to his house in the morning, knocking on his door to go to the rehab. Nardwuar: And theirs is about the internet. Now Fletcher, can you blow the balloon on the band Goldfinger? Electric Love Hogs, they started as a metal band. There's all these metal bands that turned punk, right Fletcher? Fletcher: There's a lot of dirt under the rug about a lot of bands out there. Yeah, Electric Love Hogs, they were a metal band at one point. Sunset Strip man. Nardwuar: And they turned into Goldfinger. Is there anybody else out there you'd like to expose? Fletcher: Uh--- Nardwuar: Like Face To Face, didn't they used to be a metal band? Fletcher: Come on man yeah, Face To Face. I've seen some disturbing pictures of. Nardwuar: Victoria's Manor, they used to be called. Fletcher: In their blue spandex pants and white boots and shit like that. It's pretty bad. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise: Madrid. What's the story about you stealing a newspaper truck? Fletcher: Wow, you've got a lot of information on your hands. Um, wow, you see I'm not supposed to remember all that shit when I'm drunk. I think it was about seven in the morning, we were leaving the bar and we were pretty drunk and unable to walk, I think. We needed a ride and kind of commandeered a newspaper truck and kind of forced the guy off. I think we blocked him in the road. We dove in the back of his newspaper truck, and we were laying there in the papers -- just three or four of us -- and we just rode around for awhile until he got mad and he just drove us to our hotel. We said we weren't getting out until we got to our hotel, so he drove us to our hotel. I think I was kicked out of there within two hours after that. Nardwuar: Was that for pissing in the lobby, or was that for pissing before you went to the truck? Fletcher: [laughs] It's all good shit man. Yeah, pissing in the lobby. Yeah, that's right, I did pee in the lobby. I think that was during breakfast, yeah that was bad. I think I was snorting some ham too, down at the breakfast buffet in front of everyone, yeah that was bad. Nardwuar: Now who was in Madrid? Was it at some festival in Madrid where you trashed some of the Offspring's stuff? Fletcher: I'm not going to take the blame for that. That was Mike Clarke from Suicidal Tendencies, but I will tell you the story. It was pretty funny. We were kind of on pretty shaky ground with Offspring at that point, but everything's fine now. We were hanging out in our dressing room with Suicidal. It was us, Suicidal and Lagwagon and Offspring was in their dressing room. They weren't really, you know, down with hanging out with us. Brian (Holland) came in, in a full-blown leopard skin suit, like head-to-toe leopard skin suit and creepers and it was pretty funny. But he came in and asked for a beer, and Mike Clarke just turned around and goes, "Oooooh look at you man. Look at you, woooooo!" Just started totally bagging on him and it was kind of an awkward moment for poor Brian, and when they were onstage, Brian decided to do a full-sprint run into the side of those makeshift dressing rooms that knocked down three walls and destroyed the whole dressing room. So I'm not taking the blame for that one, although I probably did get blamed and had to pay for it. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise, have you ever put anyone in a choke hold? You know, grabbed them by the neck and lifted them up by their neck? Fletcher: Uh... probably. I don't remember who though. It might have been more than one person. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise, what have you guys turned down? I've heard you've turned down a lot of offers of a lot of money. What are some of the things you've turned down? Fletcher: Umm...well we've never had a meeting with a major label. They've come sniffing around quite a few times and they just wanna go out to dinner and buy us some lobster, and we say, "I can buy my own fucking lobster." So we've never gone that route. Um, I believe Ford Motor Company offered us quite a large sum of money to do a commercial for them, which actually was a cool commercial. But, uh, we felt it wouldn't be good for our, y'know, for what we we're backing and what we believed in. So, it was a lot of money. You could probably buy a house with that amount of money and we decided we wouldn't do that. And, uh, there's been numerous things. Uh, we've turned down The Sex Pistols, to open for them, because, I don't know, Johnny Rotten really isn't that cool...he just thinks he is. Nardwuar: Fletcher of the rock 'n' roll band Pennywise. Black Flag, did you sing for Black Flag or was that your singer Jim (Lindberg) for the Black Flag reunion? Fletcher: The Black Flag reunion? Um, I don't know. He was gonna sing on one of the, the comp, that album that they did. What was it, the benefit for the West Memphis Three, those kids. But he wound up not doing it and, uh, we did a Keith Morris benefit... for him. But as far as Black Flag, we haven't played with them or actually sang with them to my knowledge. You might have got some bad info on that one. Nardwuar: No, I thought Jim maybe was going to sing with them at that opening of the Punk Rock Hall Of Fame or something like that. He was going to do a fill-in,cause somebody didn't show up. Fletcher: Oh, oh you're right, you're right. That is correct. He did. See, I'm bad, you're good. But you probably don't drink as much as I do. Nardwuar: No I don't. But you--- Fletcher: There was that, there was that show. Yeah you're right. It was the punk rock revival show basically and it was incredible. Like, TSOL, Black Flag, Devo, X, The Adolescents. It was like the first time a lot of these bands had played in years, and Keith Morris was sick and Jim went up and sang some songs. That is correct. Nardwuar: Fletcher, winding up here. Fuck. You put "fuck" in a song with "Fuck Authority." What is your advice to people about putting "fuck" in a song? Because there's that band that goes "She fucking hates me" and they had a big hit. What is your advice to people about putting "fuck" in a song? Fletcher: Um...it seems to be pretty popular these days. I mean you can get on the radio with a song that has the word fuck in it. It's a pretty entertaining though. I mean I'm all for the word fuck. I have it tattooed on my back in really big letters. So y'know, the more people who put fuck in songs the better off the world will be. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise, did Pennywise always have a big pit, i.e. a hard pit? Are there always rough people in the pit at Pennywise gigs? Fletcher: Since day one. Nardwuar: It has always been rough in the pits. Fletcher: Since the first backyard party, always rough in the pits. Just the manly man pits, y'know what I mean? Everyone's just out there to have a good time but a couple of people are kinda mean. Nardwuar: If you could choose another audience, would you? Fletcher: No. Maybe the one I would, like, to substitute in case of an illness or something would be Pantera's audience. Nardwuar: And what are they like? Fletcher: Like Pennywise, but with longer hair. Nardwuar: Now, what do you think about the audiences that have jumped bands. Like there are audiences that were into the metal bands. For instance I know a girl that went from Poison to... Fletcher: Pennywise. Nardwuar: Yeah, a girl went from Poison to Pennywise. Have you picked up any metal fans? Or talked to your fans about that? Fletcher: I think the majority of them wouldn't want us to know they were into a band like Poison so they keep it on the down-low. But I mean, every once in a while we can squeak it out of them. But I mean Poison to Pennywise to Limp Bizkit to Good Charlotte to... I don't know. They're always jumping ship. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise, did you steal your logo from Volkswagen and then modify it slightly? Fletcher: Um, no. I think it was a combination of thievery from Wasted Youth's logo, y'know the "Y" and the "W" and uh, The Saint. Didn't The Saint, that old T.V show, have like a, some kind of logo of that sort? Uh, I don't know. Our drummer made it up, so I kinda just went with the flow. But the combining the two letters is pretty cool. Dead Kennedys and Wasted Youth and shit like that. Nardwuar: Fletcher, lastly here, Rancid finally signed to a major label. What's your take on this? The most asked question of Warped 2003. Fletcher: Well, apparently they haven't signed yet. So, that's what the press release says. What is my take on it? Any time a band that I like and listen to that has come up on their own on an independent label and done things their way and for themselves goes to a major label it definitely upsets me. I mean, everyone's free to do what they want to do and I'm not gonna, y'know bag on anybody, especially Rancid for going to a major label. In this day and age it seems like everyone's going to a major label. But uh, y'know I won't say that I agree with it wholeheartedly. I mean, Epitaph's been good to us and I told Brett (Gurewitz, Epitaph-owner) the other day "When you see us on a major label you'll be going to my funeral because I'll be dead." So, if I'm ever on a major label then you can just have permission to come and shoot me. Nardwuar: Thank you very much Fletcher of the rock 'n' roll band Penny--- Fletcher:...Wise. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise. Last, last, lastly here, what is the furthest you've ever projectile vomited? Fletcher: I'd say probably like, maybe five feet. Nardwuar: That's pretty impressive. Fletcher: It's pretty good, it's pretty good. But I mean I've seen people do it...well five feet, that's pretty far. Yeah, I'd say about five feet. I've got a picture of one of my buddies going about seven feet straight out like one of those snakes that comes out of a can. It's pretty tight. Nardwuar: Now, is there anything you should drink to have that effect? Fletcher: I've never really kept track of what I put down before it came up. I don't know, I just, I guess, whatever. I would assume something carbonated like beer bongs and maybe some Mexican food would probably help get it out pretty fast. The fire hydrant effect. My chick doesn't dig it when I come home, and get that working in the bathroom. At all. Nardwuar: Fletcher of Pennywise, anything else you wanna add to the people out there at all? Fletcher: I don't know. I mean I could plug our new record but who really cares? They're gonna see it in the advertisement anyway. Y'know, punk rock is a good thing when it's punk rock, but when it's not, move on. Nardwuar: And ask Fletcher how to play punk rock. Fletcher: That's what I'm talkin' 'bout, right here. [Holds up the " Ask me how to play punk rock" button Nardwuar gave him] If you have any doubts or any questions let me know. I'll hook you up. Nardwuar: Thanks much Fletcher and doot doola doot doo... Fletcher: Doot doo! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #404 ********************************