From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #402 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 28 2003 Volume 12 : Number 402 Today's Subjects: ----------------- REAP ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Guilty Gaps [Eb ] Re: Baseball in Britain [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: combo post not intended to annoy Stewart Russell, honest [grutness@su] Re: combo post not intended to annoy Stewart Russell, honest [Eb ] Re: Kids' stuff ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: SIBL project (25%RH) & NYC show ["Jon Lewis" ] Well, they are elegant bachelors... ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Well, they are elegant bachelors... [Miles Goosens ] Re: Fogeymaniax ride again! [Miles Goosens ] RE: Well, they are elegant bachelors... [UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com] Re: Well, they are elegant bachelors... [Miles Goosens Subject: REAP Rod Roddy. http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-10-27-roddy-obit_x.htm _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:22:11 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty Gaps > > >-Stone Temple Pilots (I've had a fair amount of geek-types argue that >> >they're legit) >> >> In what circle of hell are STP considered "essential"? > >San Diego? > >Ouch, sorry, had to take that one.... Oddly enough, San Diego resembles hell quite a bit at the moment. And I'm still wondering what's up with Jason Thornton...maybe he is evacuated somewhere? No online presence in two days. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:56:06 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Baseball in Britain Quoting "Stewart C. Russell" : > Miles Goosens wrote: > > > > and then it was the Day of the Heathers, > > closed followed by The Jen[n]if[f]ers. BTW: when did half of them turn into either "Jen" or "Jenna"? And is it just my twisted mind, or is the name "Willy Wonka" a bit of a dirty joke? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:38:24 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: combo post not intended to annoy Stewart Russell, honest >>The Cars/Heartbeat City - Cars (I have this as a double CD package) >>Boomtown - David and David >>Dark Adapted Eye - Danielle Dax >>Tusk - Fleetwood Mac >>Walking in the Shadow of the Big Man - Guadalcanal Diary >>Now that's what I call Quite Good - Housemartins >>Blue Garden - Masters of Reality >>The Best of Gary Numan 1978-83 - Gary Numan >>100cc, the Greatest Hits of 10 cc >>Soul Mining - The The >>Vienna - Ultravox > >James' full list seems quite a bit more guilty than the others before it. >But the ones I've excerpted above are ones I think would pass a minimal >critical-approval threshold. I'm also tickled to see Danielle Dax named >anywhere -- damn, that comp is good. Loads of fun indeed. Pity her music is so difficult to get hold of. Whatever happened to David and david, BTW - David Baerwald put out at least one solo album, but other than that...? And who the hell were Masters of Reality (I'm amazed anyone else has even heard of them!)? A friend of mine tells me recent Gary Numan is very good in a dark, almost NIN sort of way. She's promised to play me some sometime soon. I look forward to it. >>>When did people start using "hells" for "lots," "many," "a plethora," >etc.? Not >>>to cite Rex for this very strange. I thought everyone knew that the order was one, a couple, several, loads, oodles, truckloads, bulk untold multiple truckloads. >>>Similarly, when did Americans start using U.K. slang? It's one thing to >know >>>what "bloody," "wanker," "bollocks," "arsed," etc. I blame the internet, Absolutely Fabulous, and Austin Powers, in that order. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:58:57 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: combo post not intended to annoy Stewart Russell, honest > >I'm also tickled to see Danielle Dax named > >anywhere -- damn, that comp is good. > >Loads of fun indeed. Pity her music is so difficult to get hold of. I also like that Danielle Dax compilation a bunch. But I think she had some genuine artistry going for her. Not too much of a guilty pleasure for me. Now, on the other hand, if I was a fan of Blast the Human Flower, *that* would be a guilty pleasure. Yeesh. Boy, did she burn out with that one. >And who the hell were Masters of >Reality (I'm amazed anyone else has even heard of them!)? Lawndart digs 'em, big time. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:55:40 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: it may have lost something in translation... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:00:02 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Guilty Gaps On Mon, Oct 27, 2003, Eb wrote: > > > >-Stone Temple Pilots (I've had a fair amount of geek-types argue that > >> >they're legit) > >> > >> In what circle of hell are STP considered "essential"? > > > >San Diego? > > > >Ouch, sorry, had to take that one.... > > Oddly enough, San Diego resembles hell quite a bit at the moment. That's what I meant. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:12:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Kids' stuff On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:22:37 -0800, Eb wrote : > Speaking of kids' stuff, I found out yesterday that a close, longtime > female friend is preggers for the first time. She's 38, or possibly > even 39. Any of you mommies want to tell me about the dangers of this > advanced-age gal having a young 'un? Feel free to take it offlist. I'm not a mommy, but I will tell you anyway--due to her age, the doctors are probably going to worry her to tears if anything looks "off" in the first ultrasound, and she may find herself in a maze of statisitics and likelihoods and waiting for test results. So stress is a potential danger. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:32:14 -0500 From: "Jon Lewis" Subject: Re: SIBL project (25%RH) & NYC show > >Also, who's going to the NYC show on Halloween? I know LJ, Ken, Tim, Steve > >T., etc. will be there, anyone else? > > I will be there, I am staying at Tim's place. I'll be at the late set. I've never met any of you in person, but I'll be the little guy w/short hair, wearing a long sleeved blue button-up shirt covered in flying tomatoes. So far, looks like moving to nyc was a very good idea. Paying gigs have increased, and I've almost got an apartment. And my dog likes the smorgasbord o' stenches. Haven't even dared to visit the CD stores much, given my need to squirrel away the cheddar right now. Favorite street so far: Doyer, in Chinatown. JPL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:44:33 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Well, they are elegant bachelors... The Shame of James: >>Their greatest hits - BeeGees >>Calypso - Harry Belafonte >>The Cars/Heartbeat City - Cars (I have this as a double CD package) >>Boomtown - David and David >>Dead Elvis - Death in Vegas >>Lovesongs for Underdogs - Tanya Donelly >>Walking in the Shadow of the Big Man - Guadalcanal Diary >>From a Radio Engine to a photon wing - Mike Nesmith >>The Best of Gary Numan 1978-83 - Gary Numan >>Vanguard - Finley Quaye >>Soul Mining - The The I think these are okay... I have six of them. In fact I've bought reissues of two within the past year. >>In Sounds from Way Out - Perrey & Kingsley This one is grooooovy. >>Bombs away Dream Babies - John Stewart Big guilt. Big pleasure. >>Face Value - Phil Collins Uh oh... ya lost me there. ____ Miles: >>And still on the "guilt" tip, how about a Rexian subcategory for "bands that >>don't carry a critical stigma, but you still wouldn't identify yourself as >>'a ______ fan' when first meeting someone." Two that occur to me immediately >>are the Smiths/Morrissey and the Cure -- I'll give you back a Milesian "I agree. About the feeling, and about the two specific artists you just named." I have barebones catalogs of both artists and give a slight edge to the Cure, but... does anyone else remember when it was actually cool to *hate* the Smiths? Useta be a lot of people were very vocal about it. No more. Is that just because the parts turned out to be so much less than the sum of the whole? I'd have to add here that I don't hate the Grateful Dead nearly as much as I'm supposed to, but in no way in hell would I throw my lot in with the Deadheads. >>They were trampled by the herd of Lisas that I was in school with. >>and then it was the Day of the Heathers, And then... the Jennifers descended upon us. Ah... Stewart beat me to it. But he didn't mention all the Mikes that appeared at the same time. _______ Eb: >>In what circle of hell are STP considered "essential"? Well, like I said, I'm always surprised when I see STP in otherwise geeky collections, but it seems to be happening more and more. And they're so reviled by so many that it takes a real commitment to even have their records on display, so that to me bespeaks a pretty serious interest. I've seen STP records in three otherwise fairly respectable collections over recent years. Two of them were a little more prog-heavy than mine (not difficult) and the third a little more straight-up power pop. But I'm just as mystified as you. Mind you, I find the Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails no less craptastic and puzzling to find amongst any grouping of quality music. I really do. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:37:25 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: RE: Well, they are elegant bachelors... > And still on the "guilt" tip, how about a Rexian subcategory for > "bands that don't carry a critical stigma, but you still wouldn't > identify yourself as 'a ______ fan' when first meeting someone." > Two that occur to me immediately are the Smiths/Morrissey and > the Cure -- Hey, do I detect an insult in here somewhere?! = s&th hooligan@apostate.com www.jaquelinerose.com "When you're young, your potential is infinite. You might do anything, really. You might be great. You might be Einstein. You might be Goethe. Then you get to an age where what you might be gives way to what you have been. You weren't Einstein. You weren't anything. That's a bad moment." - Charlie Kaufman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:38:58 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Well, they are elegant bachelors... On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Mind you, I find the Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails no less craptastic and > puzzling to find amongst any grouping of quality music. I really do. I think a possible difference might be that those bands at least plausibly started off smallscale in the usual indie fashion, and their earlier releases are a little less...glurksome...than they later became. Whereas the Stone Pimple Toilets seemingly sprung full-brown from the asshead of Eddie Vedder, with pre-drilled holes for the then de rigeur needles...I don't think they had an instant of credibility. Whatzisname's *mother* probably thought he was a sellout... I'm not really a listmaking kind of guy, but I think a sub-subcategory of "bands that don't have such a bad reputation but their fans do" (or maybe just a related subcategory) is "bands whose early work is great, but way less popular, and saying you like them risks guilt by association with their later, increasingly craptastic work," the sine qua non of which is, of course, Pink Floyd. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ::Oxygen isn't a text:: __David Robbins__ np: Linda Smith _Emily's House_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:40:08 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Fogeymaniax ride again! Miles: >>Oh, what the hell. Loud-Fans already know all this anyway, so they can skip >>it and move on to the inevitable fallout. Yeah, I think that's where our last comparative fogeyism thread took place, but it's still fun. And depressing! >>But I don't think I've done a "huh?" list on Feg for a couple o'years, if >>my quick search of my old outbox is any guide. So here goes: See, my list is pretty damned congruent adjusting for age & chronology... check it out. Miles just provided his high school years as 79-82; mine were 86-89. So if we arrange the more recent part of Miles's list roughly chronologically and track my give-a-shit-osity along with it, look what happens: My Bloody Valentine (produced my favorite record ever) Sugar (wonderful... really miss them) Pavement (I fully believed the hype) Superchunk (great live band, always a good listen) Flaming Lips (didn't bloom until later but always vaguely appealed to me) Tori Amos (not my cuppa chamomille) Guided By Voices (like them a lot but not rabidly) Stereolab (neat idea, but a little goes a long way) Mercury Rev (see Flaming Lips) Ben Folds (gah, why are we even discussing him?) The High Llamas (fairly dull) Fountains of Wayne (who died and made these guys the next big thing, twice?) Built To Spill (would have to be way better than they are to overcome that crap name) Elliott Smith (didn't get it, very sorry) The Strokes (so wanted to like these guys and the movement that went with them... oh well) So it looks to me like Miles fell into fogeydom in about 1991 or '92, whereas I fell off somewhere between '97 and '99. Records indicate I was bitching about the music scene well before that, just predominantly about popular bands, not critical faves... jeez, I can't even imagine wasting my time bemoaning the state of mainstream rock now. I recall that in 2001 my friends and I determined that no good "rock bands" had formed since 1995, discounting bands with members who'd had previous careers. Seriously, we tried like hell to come up with exceptions, but couldn't. I could do so now, I think, but there were some lean years in there. Miles didn't mention a few of my big WTF/"mehh" critical phenoms, all from that later period or even more recently... Sunny Day Real Estate, the aforementioned Belle & Sebastian, Modest Mouse, the PokEphant 6 bands, Magnetic Fields etc. (that voice!), Granddaddy, Death Cab for Cutie, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, anyone frequently compared to Radiohead, Ryan Adams, At the Drive In, Bright Eyes, Polyhonic Spree, Rufus Wainwright (who does actively annoy me), the Beta Band (who are shit, I don't care what John Cusack says), "electroclash", and emo in general: the very first musical movement where I'm not cool enough to be able to tell whether I'm hearing it or not.* And there's a pile of records that I have and like but haven't become obsessed with as I once might've. I think it's largely lifestyle, though... I can't listen as intently to stuff at home any more, and I usually have the news on the radio at work, so that'd be my own damn fault. Now, in my day we had to walk a mile through waist-deep snow just to get to the schoolbus stop. (Hey, you know what? That's actually true!) - -Rex *no, seriously: I asked my nephew, 15 or so, to clarify this emo thing, and he described what sounded to me like "lyric-oriented rock music". Yet he himself was very clear on what was and was not emo. Mystifying. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:34:31 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Well, they are elegant bachelors... At 10:44 AM 10/28/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Miles: >>>And still on the "guilt" tip, how about a Rexian subcategory for "bands >that >>>don't carry a critical stigma, but you still wouldn't identify yourself as > >>>'a ______ fan' when first meeting someone." Two that occur to me >immediately >>>are the Smiths/Morrissey and the Cure -- > >I'll give you back a Milesian "I agree. About the feeling, and about the >two specific artists you just named." This is getting so mutually referential that I think we'll be forced by statute to mention West-By-God any minute now. Or forced by the statues in the bath. >does anyone else remember >when it was actually cool to *hate* the Smiths? Useta be a lot of people >were very vocal about it. No more. Is that just because the parts turned >out to be so much less than the sum of the whole? Maybe, but more likely that the initial "ick! wussy wannabe overly serious fans!" thing has faded in time, plus the records happen to be really good 'n' all. And with this on the heels of your saying that you don't have solo Morrissey -- IMO the stuff Morrissey did with Stephen Street after the Smiths' breakup (basically VIVA HATE and the singles compiled on BONA DRAG) is at least as good as the very best Smiths, if not even better. The only thing after that I'd even remotely suggest is YOUR ARSENAL (hey, is that an "arse" joke?), which compensates for its only-OK songs with some cool Bowie/Ronson riffery. >I'd have to add here that I don't hate the Grateful Dead nearly as much as >I'm supposed to, but in no way in hell would I throw my lot in with the >Deadheads. I'm compensating by hating them pretty much completely. Cut to the MST3K host segment in THE DEAD TALK BACK when Crow played a Jerry Garcia solo that went on for hours... and consisted entirely of scales. >>>They were trampled by the herd of Lisas that I was in school with. >>>and then it was the Day of the Heathers, > >And then... the Jennifers descended upon us. > >Ah... Stewart beat me to it. But he didn't mention all the Mikes that >appeared at the same time. I thought Mike was a perennial. There was a smattering of guys from, oh, just a little older than me to my age (thus b. 1964-1967) who were named "Brian Keith _______(insert surname here)" after the actor Brian Keith. He must have been really hot to women b. 1940-1949. >Eb: >>>In what circle of hell are STP considered "essential"? > >Well, like I said, I'm always surprised when I see STP in otherwise geeky >collections, but it seems to be happening more and more. And they're so >reviled by so many that it takes a real commitment to even have their >records on display, so that to me bespeaks a pretty serious interest. I've >seen STP records in three otherwise fairly respectable collections over >recent years. Two of them were a little more prog-heavy than mine (not >difficult) and the third a little more straight-up power pop. That last one makes a little more sense if the Audities list is any guide, especially since TINY MUSIC featured several really keen Cheap Trick ripoffs. That doesn't make the rest of their career forgivable or anything, mind you. >Mind you, I find the Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails no less craptastic and >puzzling to find amongst any grouping of quality music. I really do. Jeffrey's already sort of said it, but NIN was much better at the start, and THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL has pretty much described subsequent releases (PRETTY HATE MACHINE = damn good, DOWNWARD SPIRAL = has its moments, THE FRAGILE = mostly turgid even the best stuff has been done better on the other two albums). I have no qualms about owning PRETTY HATE MACHINE, where Reznor comes up with some stick-to-the-cerebellum hooks and melodies to carry along his doomsaying ditties, and I dug it from its 1989 release (it became a bestseller... um, during the first Lollapalooza? '91, I think). I will also restate my NIN/Pearl Jam theorem: a lot of the ill will I see directed toward the original groups has been generated or at least greatly exacerbated by ear fatigue from the flood of inferior ripoffs of said groups. So I blame Seven Mary Three and Stabbing Westward way more than Trent Reznor or Eddie Vedder. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:51:39 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Well, they are elegant bachelors... > >I'll give you back a Milesian "I agree. About the feeling, and about the >>two specific artists you just named." > >This is getting so mutually referential that I think we'll be forced >by statute to mention West-By-God any minute now. An inevitable repercussion of interactions between Scott Miller zealots. >I will also restate my NIN/Pearl Jam theorem: a lot of the ill will >I see directed toward the original groups has been generated or at >least greatly exacerbated by ear fatigue from the flood of inferior >ripoffs of said groups. Possibly true of Pearl Jam, but my disillusion with NIN is entirely based on Reznor's own style fossilizing into self-parody. 1,552 homes burned, at last count? My air improved a bit yesterday, but it's worse again today. Respiratory hazard again. How can the news be covering all these devastated neighborhood blocks and things, when these fires are *disrupting my running schedule*? Priorities, people, priorities! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:52:10 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Fogeymaniax ride again! At 12:40 PM 10/28/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >See, my list is pretty damned congruent adjusting for age & chronology... >check it out. Miles just provided his high school years as 79-82; mine were >86-89. Actually those were Junior High years. High School was '82-'85 -- maybe you skipped the "Jr." or had "middle school" instead? Nevertheless, I don't think that small glitch invalidates your theory. In fact, only one number needs adjusting, and I'll do it below. And none of this is a metaphor for anyone's testicles. I think. >So if we arrange the more recent part of Miles's list roughly >chronologically and track my give-a-shit-osity along with it, look what >happens: >So it looks to me like Miles fell into fogeydom in about 1991 or '92, >whereas I fell off somewhere between '97 and '99. Records indicate I was >bitching about the music scene well before that, just predominantly about >popular bands, not critical faves... jeez, I can't even imagine wasting my >time bemoaning the state of mainstream rock now. I'd date it at '94, or at least me *realizing* it -- which if you adjust that "1991 or '92" for my true high school years lines up perfectly. Two things drove me to realize it: * Kurt Cobain -- the only "new" guy at the time that I gave a crap about, born the same year as me -- offing himself. * I had just gotten on the Internet in late '93, and my contemporaries, who had largely the same '70s and '80s collections and tastes as me, were all recommending cool-sounding bands like GbV, Stereolab, Pavement (I already had tried S&E on my own based on SPIN naming it album of the year), and Heatmiser. I bought stuff by them all, *fully* expecting to go ga-ga, thinking "this is the stuff I was missing when I was complaining about Nirvana being the only new thing that I liked!" But I didn't like this stuff. >Miles didn't mention a few of my big WTF/"mehh" critical phenoms, all from >that later period or even more recently... Sunny Day Real Estate, the >aforementioned Belle & Sebastian, Modest Mouse, the PokEphant 6 bands, >Magnetic Fields etc. (that voice!), Granddaddy, Death Cab for Cutie, Black >Rebel Motorcycle Club, anyone frequently compared to Radiohead, Ryan Adams, >At the Drive In, Bright Eyes, Polyhonic Spree, Rufus Wainwright (who does >actively annoy me), the Beta Band (who are shit, I don't care what John >Cusack says), "electroclash", and emo in general: the very first musical >movement where I'm not cool enough to be able to tell whether I'm hearing it >or not.* I agree with most of this, with partial exceptions for E6 (mostly because of NMH), MagFields, the Beta Band, and electroclash. But most of it... yeah. >And there's a pile of records that I have and like but haven't become >obsessed with as I once might've. I think it's largely lifestyle, though... >I can't listen as intently to stuff at home any more, and I usually have the >news on the radio at work, so that'd be my own damn fault. That may have something to do with the timing of inevitable fogeydom -- I start dropping off in '88 (just married, grad school, lot less disposable income than living off Mom in undergrad days) but was buyoed by a while by finally having *real* college radio, dropped off a lot more when WRVU went to hell for a while, and then had a "real job" by '95. But if what I would be discovering with more leisure time would be the groups that fellow listees and Pitchfork-type sites seem to like best, I dunno if having more time to dig around would *really* be a factor. >*no, seriously: I asked my nephew, 15 or so, to clarify this emo thing, and >he described what sounded to me like "lyric-oriented rock music". Yet he >himself was very clear on what was and was not emo. Mystifying. I remember the first definition I heard of "emo" was "like hardcore, but about emotions." But when I actually *heard* "emo" bands, they didn't have the sped-up thrash attack or the unintelligible vocals that I associated with hardcore. So maybe my "hardcore" definition was off too! But yeah, like you, I still don't know what the hell "emo" is, and sure can't identify what makes one group "emo" and another one "not emo." Judy Tenuta, though -- yeah, I'm into Tenutacore. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:13:41 -0500 From: UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com Subject: RE: Well, they are elegant bachelors... > And still on the "guilt" tip, how about a Rexian > subcategory for "bands that don't carry a critical stigma, > but you still wouldn't identify yourself as 'a ______ fan' > when first meeting someone." Two that occur to me > immediately are the Smiths/Morrissey and the Cure Maybe its a generational thing, I'm 28, but i would never think twice about declaring my Smiths/Morrissey fandom. I even have and framed photo of Morrissey on my desk at home. Strangely, I would be embarassed to identify myself as a Cure fan though. Luckily im not one :-) Later, Nora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:16:57 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Well, they are elegant bachelors... At 12:51 PM 10/28/2003 -0800, Eb wrote: >> >I'll give you back a Milesian "I agree. About the feeling, and about the >>>two specific artists you just named." >> >>This is getting so mutually referential that I think we'll be forced >>by statute to mention West-By-God any minute now. > >An inevitable repercussion of interactions between Scott Miller zealots. I think only if ones from West Virginia are involved. Rex makes five that I know about, including both expats and current residents. I've been at Scott Miller-related gatherings where spontaneous discussion of the Mountain State never happened -- though Mauritania was of course a primary topic. With The Other Scott Miller (Staunton, VA, native, married to a West Virginian -- in fact, she's the youngest sister of my mom's dentist), he'll bring up West Virginny himself, and mentions it in at least one of his songs. Rex, this Scott Miller is Nothing Like Ryan Adams, in case that's holding you back. >>I will also restate my NIN/Pearl Jam theorem: a lot of the ill will >>I see directed toward the original groups has been generated or at >>least greatly exacerbated by ear fatigue from the flood of inferior >>ripoffs of said groups. > >Possibly true of Pearl Jam, but my disillusion with NIN is entirely >based on Reznor's own style fossilizing into self-parody. Then we agree, as far as our own opinions of NIN go. But since a lot of what I read castigates the entire Reznor catalog including PRETTY HATE MACHINE, I'll stick with my theory for Everybody Else in General. And let us know if we should be airlifting you out soon, OK? Do you and Rex require separate helicopters? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:20:05 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Baseball in Britain - -- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey is rumored to have mumbled on Montag, 27. Oktober 2003 16:57 Uhr -0600 regarding RE: Baseball in Britain: > Quoting Sebastian Hagedorn : > >> spectators. Two of my aquaintances have season tickets for the K"olner >> Haie (Cologne Sharks) > > In English, that's just a beautiful name: first, the idea of loungy > sleazoids with too much cologne trying to pick up women, scam money, etc. > - but also the pun on "loan sharks" works with it too. Wow, I never thought of it that way ... :-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #402 ********************************