From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #401 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, October 27 2003 Volume 12 : Number 401 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Guilty! [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Kids' stuff [Eb ] Guilty PS [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Guilty! [Dolph Chaney ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #399 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: calamities [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RE: Baseball in Britain [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Guilty Pleasures: Finally, a list I just can't do. [Miles Goosens ] RE: Guilty!/Tears (of Rage) in Heaven [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: Guilty!/Tears (of Rage) in Heaven [Jeff Dwarf ] What Is Hip? ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Baseball in Britain [Miles Goosens ] Re: Guilty Pleasures: Finally, a list I just can't do. [Eb ] Guilty "Displeasures" / Conspicuous Gaps ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Guilty "Displeasures" / Conspicuous Gaps [Eb ] Re: Guilty "Displeasures" / Conspicuous Gaps [Ken Weingold ] Bottom Line plea ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:23:56 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Guilty! My guilty pleasures list went elsewhere first, since I didn't know Eb was going to post here (shoulda guessed). For your perusal, plus an alteration or two due to critical comment elsewhere: >25. Mike Oldfield/Tubular Bells (1973) >34. Donovan/Donovan's Greatest Hits (1969) 35. Bis/The New Transistor >Heroes (1997) 40. Giles, Giles & Fripp/The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, >Giles & Fripp (1968) guilty as charged yer honour. In the case of the Donovan, it would be the full 2LP set, not the pathetically small number of songs that ended up on the (40 minute) CD. >1. Supertramp/Breakfast in America (1979) 3. Jesus Jones/Liquidizer (1989) >4. The Soup Dragons/This Is Our Art (1988) 19. Emerson, Lake & >Palmer/Tarkus (1971) I suspect I'd probably have "Crisis, what crisis?", "Doubt", "Lovegod", and "EL&P's greatest hits" on my list somewhere. In the case of ELP, I still feel they had some great 3-minute pop songs struggling to get out of overblown 15-minute packaging. This would be roughly my equivalent list (plus those previously mentioned) - - about 50-60 in an approximation of alphabetical orde. I can't be bothered ranking them or cutting it to an exact top 50, and if I did, it would take a few days of humming and ha'ing to get it there: Abba, the Album Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe White courtesy phone - Angel Corpus Christi Their greatest hits - BeeGees Calypso - Harry Belafonte In the Heat of the Night - Pat Benatar The Cars/Heartbeat City - Cars (I have this as a double CD package) Bloodmusic - Chapterhouse Crann Ull - Clannad Face Value - Phil Collins Boomtown - David and David Dark Adapted Eye - Danielle Dax Dead Elvis - Death in Vegas Hot August Night - Neil Diamond Dire Straits AND Love over gold - Dire Straits (couldn't decide which belonged on here most) Free Peace Sweet - Dodgy Lovesongs for Underdogs - Tanya Donelly Discovery - ELO Tusk - Fleetwood Mac Angel Clare - Art Garfunkel A Trick of the Tail - Genesis Dave Gilmour Walking in the Shadow of the Big Man - Guadalcanal Diary Dreamboat Annie - Heart Now that's what I call Quite Good - Housemartins Night Rains - Janis Ian Swamp Ophelia - Indigo Girls Glass Houses - Billy Joel A Swinging Safari - Bert Kaempfert Hans Christian Andersen - Danny Kaye Klaatu The Way I Feel - Gordon Lightfoot Award Winning Hits of Henry Mancini Blue Garden - Masters of Reality McDonald and Giles Children - The Mission Every Good Boy Deserves Favour - Moody Blues Retrospective - Russell Morris From a Radio Engine to a photon wing - Mike Nesmith The Best of Gary Numan 1978-83 - Gary Numan Clues - Robert Palmer I Robot - Alan Parsons Project In Sounds from Way Out - Perrey & Kingsley Vanguard - Finley Quaye Sleepwalking - Gerry Rafferty Best of the Seekers - Seekers Hormonally Yours - Shakespear's Sister Still - Pete Sinfield Time Passages - Al Stewart Bombs away Dream Babies - John Stewart On the radio (Greatest Hits) - Donna Summer 100cc, the Greatest Hits of 10 cc Soul Mining - The The Vienna - Ultravox War of the Worlds - Jeff Wayne London Town - Wings Arc of a Diver - Steve Winwood Wombling Songs - Wombles Drama - Yes James (who also knows a man and his name is George) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:24:36 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Kids' stuff >So much so I almost shit myself when I saw the makeup of >the birthing class we attended. > >Did that come out right? Probably not. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:26:26 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Guilty PS ... and the worst record I own (but never listen to) is possibly Michael Pinder's "The promise". Sorry all you Moody Blues fans! James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:33:58 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Guilty! GUILT PLEASURE COMPOSITE GUILTY PLEASURE SCORE (2x GUILT + 1x PLEASURE) 5 5 15 AC/DC  Bonfire 5 5 15 Weird Al Yankovic  In 3-D 5 4 14 Black Sabbath  Sabotage 5 4 14 Josie & The Pussycats soundtrack 5 4 14 Yes - Keystudio 4 5 13 Jethro Tull  Minstrel In The Gallery 4 5 13 Barenaked Ladies  Maroon 4 5 13 Manic Street Preachers  This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours 5 3 13 Def Leppard  Hysteria 5 3 13 Van Halen  Diver Down 5 3 13 Supertramp  Breakfast In America 5 3 13 Motorhead  Ace Of Spades (5.1 Surround DVD-Audio) 5 3 13 Guns N Roses  Appetite For Destruction 4 4 12 Led Zeppelin  The Complete Studio Recordings 4 4 12 Pink Floyd  Shine On 5 2 12 David Lee Roth  Eat Em & Smile 5 2 12 Terence Trent DArby  Introducing The Hardline 5 2 12 Prince  Controversy 3 5 11 Shawn Colvin  Steady On 3 5 11 Howard Jones  Humans Lib 3 5 11 "Suddenly, Tammy!  (we get there when we do.)" 3 5 11 Busta Rhymes  Woo-Hah!! Got You All In Check 4 3 11 Kate Bush  Lionheart 4 3 11 Rush  Fly By Night 4 3 11 Blondie  The Best Of Blondie 4 3 11 Dire Straits  Love Over Gold 5 1 11 The KLF  The White Room 3 4 10 Talk Talk  Its My Life 3 4 10 Steve Vai  Flex-Able 4 2 10 Fleetwood Mac  Mirage 4 2 10 Kings X  Kings X 4 2 10 The Pursuit Of Happiness  Love Junk 4 2 10 Gene  Olympian 2 5 9 Living Colour  Vivid 3 3 9 Genesis  Abacab 3 3 9 "Faith No More  King For A Day, Fool For A Lifetime" 3 3 9 Nine Inch Nails  Broken 3 3 9 The Cars  Complete Greatest Hits 3 3 9 Everclear  So Much For The Afterglow 2 4 8 The Dambuilders  Against The Stars ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:38:45 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #399 >Finally saw "28 Days Later" and I wondered why one of the weapons >being used was a baseball bat. Seems to me that that would be as >likely as me using a cricket bat to fight the infected here in central >Pennsylvania. > >A quick web search turned up links to several British baseball clubs. I >had no idea. Whenever I've talked sports with a Brit, there was always >the inevitable cultural exchange of baseball and cricket rules >explanations. a couple of things. 1) just because baseball is not common in the UK, doesn't mean that US culture hasn't invaded to the extent that baseball bats are around - you can, I'm sure, get them in most sports shops. I suspect they're more commonly used for committing crimes than for real, organised baseball games though. 2) There are closely related games played in the UK, such as rounders and softball. Similar to here in NZ, where no-one plays baseball, but softball is a very popular sport. 3) A cricket bat is much more difficult to weild as a weapon, I would think. The aerodynamics of it would be wrong unless you knew how to use one. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:39:18 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: calamities >PS Not long ago, I speculated that the only calamities left to occur >in 2003 were the Pope's death and a major earthquake. Well, instead >we got Elliott Smith's death and major fires. Close enough? irrespective of your religious views, I don't think you could really say the Pope's death would be calamitous. Sad on one level, perhaps, but he's clearly suffering, and so is the church. Time his Boss promoted him, I think. oh, and we had a major earthquake here a couple of months back (7.3 do?), but it was centred in a largely uninhabited area so no-one was hurt. Ground rolled for a good 45 seconds. Pretty impressive. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:57:11 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Baseball in Britain Quoting Sebastian Hagedorn : > spectators. Two of my aquaintances have season tickets for the K"olner Haie > (Cologne Sharks) In English, that's just a beautiful name: first, the idea of loungy sleazoids with too much cologne trying to pick up women, scam money, etc. - but also the pun on "loan sharks" works with it too. Re names: What I want to know is, what the hell happened to the hundreds of girls named Dawn I was in junior high school with? Did they all change their names or something? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal :: and winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:56:19 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures: Finally, a list I just can't do. At 01:42 PM 10/27/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Actually, some of my records about which I'm most embarassed on my own >behalf are failed attempts to like stuff I'm *not* supposed to feel guilty >about (Belle & Sebastian, Spiritualized, etc.) I agree. About the feeling, and about the two specific artists you just named. And actually, since I have very little shame about stuff that I like (including the just-mentioned Deee-Lite release!), *this* list would be easier to do. Heck, I could just mail a link to Pitchfork's Top 100 of the '90s and save myself the work. Oh, what the hell. Loud-Fans already know all this anyway, so they can skip it and move on to the inevitable fallout. But I don't think I've done a "huh?" list on Feg for a couple o'years, if my quick search of my old outbox is any guide. Also, aside from FoW and Folds, who push my "condescending smarm" button, I don't hate most of these artists -- they just don't do much for me. So here goes: Guided By Voices Pavement Stereolab Fountains of Wayne Ben Folds My Bloody Valentine Elliott Smith (all the tributes from the past week have certainly helped me understand what everyone else saw in him, so I'm not saying this with fangs bared or anything. His stuff simply didn't work for me, which is probably my loss.) Sugar (loved Husker Du and Bob's first two solo albums, so not liking Sugar was both surprising and disappointing to me.) Van Morrison Beach Boys aside from PET SOUNDS The Connells Guadalcanal Diary Zeitgeist/Reivers Sparks Split Enz (except for Neil's stuff) Flaming Lips The High Llamas The Strokes The Grifters Superchunk His Name Is Alive Built To Spill Archers of Loaf Mercury Rev Tori Amos Richard Davies/Eric Matthews/Cardinal And still on the "guilt" tip, how about a Rexian subcategory for "bands that don't carry a critical stigma, but you still wouldn't identify yourself as 'a ______ fan' when first meeting someone." Two that occur to me immediately are the Smiths/Morrissey and the Cure -- both have sound critical reputations, but identifying yourself as a fan of either pretty much conveys "I still live with my parents, keep a scrapbook of obituaries, and take everything way seriously." It's like saying you're Emmeline Grangerford or somethin.' later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:57:04 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: combo post not intended to annoy Stewart Russell, honest Guilty Dignan (which makes me think of BOTTLE ROCKET): >The Cars/Heartbeat City - Cars (I have this as a double CD package) >Boomtown - David and David >Dark Adapted Eye - Danielle Dax >Tusk - Fleetwood Mac >Walking in the Shadow of the Big Man - Guadalcanal Diary >Now that's what I call Quite Good - Housemartins >Blue Garden - Masters of Reality >The Best of Gary Numan 1978-83 - Gary Numan >100cc, the Greatest Hits of 10 cc >Soul Mining - The The >Vienna - Ultravox James' full list seems quite a bit more guilty than the others before it. But the ones I've excerpted above are ones I think would pass a minimal critical-approval threshold. I'm also tickled to see Danielle Dax named anywhere -- damn, that comp is good. s&th: >Can't speak to the rest of these terms, but "wanker" was a choice term of >derision when I was a kid, so that's, like 1982. Wow. I honestly never heard an American say it until I was on the Internet... so, um, '93? '94? More popular in some regions/demographics of the U.S. than others? I mean, when I was a kid we had wankers and we had wanking, to be sure, but no one would have known what the hell you were talking about if you'd used those words at my junior high (to cite an age when insults, words for bodily functions, and just plain cussin' were legion and extremely popular). My junior high years were 1979-82, for the record. Tom Clark: >There are hella 35 and older >moms these days. So much so I almost shit myself when I saw the makeup of >the birthing class we attended. > >Did that come out right? Wanker! ;-) That was so funny that, were I in my twenties, I might have said "I laughed so hard that I lost all control of my bodily functions." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:03:20 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Painting OS X's teeth blue > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > The Pflankner ZX/450s has some fine negative rollover point-transfer > capabilities [ah, snip] Dood, are you OK? This sounds an awful lot like the prose in the book I read last week -- Rudy Rucker's "Realware." A real hoot it was, too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:07:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven Tom Clark wrote: > My NY upbringing instilled in me the idea that > everyone is a fucking asshole, but I'm a complete > wimp when I'm around my daughter. I don't want her > to see me hating other people or taking pleasure > in someone else's pain. I guess we all want our > children to be better people than we are. I actually meant more in the sense that people who are normally skeptical/cynical about most of the world are, nonetheless, not cynical about their children, but see what is good in them more easily than in the world at large, not so much about keeping the kids from being caustic. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Guilty!/Tears (of Rage) in Heaven Eb wrote: > Dwarf wrote: > >Eb wrote: > >> 4. The Soup Dragons/This Is Our Art (1988) > >I have Lovegod and the one after it. Only out of > >the 10 for $15 bin. > I definitely have no interest in Soup Dragons > records after This Is Our Art. There were a couple decent singles. Mostly useful for mix-tapes; I never pull them out otherwise. Only song off TIOA I heard I didn't really like. >>> 30. Wonder Stuff/8 Legged Groove Machine (1988) >>> 37. Blur/Leisure (1991) >>Neither is either bands best work, but I wouldn't >>call them guilt-worthy. >Actually, I'd file these in a similar bin as >Lovegod...that ersatz, wacka-wacka Manchester beat. ELGM pre-dates the whole Madchester thing; not much baggy beat on it really. Leisure is very Madchester wannbe though. ====== "Iosso, Ken" wrote: > 3rd) The Rising by Springsteen, Live Through This > by Hole, and Ohio by CNSY, The Lonesome Death of > Hattie Carroll and The Hurricane by Dylan could > all be considered exploitation of tragedies, but I > think they are all quite good pieces of art and I'm > thankful that they made them and I don't resent > that I know the sad things they are about. _Live Through This_ was recorded before Kurt ever so emphatically divorced Courtney, and was actually released the Tuesday after he was found (it was too late to recall the album even temporarily). ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:21:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Guilty!/Tears (of Rage) in Heaven Eb wrote: > Dwarf wrote: > >Eb wrote: > >> 4. The Soup Dragons/This Is Our Art (1988) > >I have Lovegod and the one after it. Only out of > >the 10 for $15 bin. > I definitely have no interest in Soup Dragons > records after This Is Our Art. There were a couple decent singles. Mostly useful for mix-tapes; I never pull them out otherwise. Only song off TIOA I heard I didn't really like. >>> 30. Wonder Stuff/8 Legged Groove Machine (1988) >>> 37. Blur/Leisure (1991) >>Neither is either bands best work, but I wouldn't >>call them guilt-worthy. >Actually, I'd file these in a similar bin as >Lovegod...that ersatz, wacka-wacka Manchester beat. ELGM pre-dates the whole Madchester thing; not much baggy beat on it really. Leisure is very Madchester wannbe though. ====== "Iosso, Ken" wrote: > 3rd) The Rising by Springsteen, Live Through This > by Hole, and Ohio by CNSY, The Lonesome Death of > Hattie Carroll and The Hurricane by Dylan could > all be considered exploitation of tragedies, but I > think they are all quite good pieces of art and I'm > thankful that they made them and I don't resent > that I know the sad things they are about. _Live Through This_ was recorded before Kurt ever so emphatically divorced Courtney, and was actually released the Tuesday after he was found (it was too late to recall the album even temporarily). ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:48:19 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: What Is Hip? JeFFrey: >>Rex, is there any reason you're so certain about the number of people who've >>played with, uhm, Jason's Soft Boys? Yeah, I left out the part where I expanded the definition beyond Mr. Thornton. Figures you'd be the one to bust my Boys on it. _______ Eb: >>Speaking of kids' stuff, I found out yesterday that a close, longtime >>female friend is preggers for the first time. She's 38, or possibly >>even 39. Any of you mommies want to tell me about the dangers of >>this advanced-age gal having a young 'un? Feel free to take it offlist. Worth keeping onlist IMHO (I promise no mentioning pl*c***s). Our girls were born when my wife was 38 and 39 respectively. Perfectly healthy, large even; her pregnancies themselves were almost problem-free. We've known far younger women to have pregnancies from hell. All pregnancies are different, basically, although from Tom's statement it looks like fegchildren tend to do quite well with "older" mothers... Doctors will consider women over 35 to be "high-risk" and will usually insist on some extra precautions, but this is really a reflection of the fact that as you get older it's more likely that you will have had something happen to you health-wise, one way or another. In other words, your friend should not be unduly worried. ______ Miles: >>When did people start using "hells" for "lots," "many," "a plethora," etc.? Not >>to cite Rex for this My dad has been saying it since I can remember... 1975 at least. I thought it was a woodhick thing. Like the word "woodhick". >>Similarly, when did Americans start using U.K. slang? It's one thing to know >>what "bloody," "wanker," "bollocks," "arsed," etc. I never do that in speech. Occasionally in writing. I think "carnt be arsed" conveys that I don't care about something enough to take action better than any equivalent American slang. >> "That HALF-LIFE 2 demo was so hella cool that I pooped all over myself!" I'm really curious about the origin of the phrase "shit-eating grin", but I'll just hazard a guess that it refers to dogs, because I carnt be arsed to look it up. ________ Tom C: >>I was just trying to fit in with the cool kids by >>acting like I thought my cool records weren't cool! Heh heh... I get it now. My own "guilty pleasure" definition would be more like a record about which the following scene might play out: Person Looking at Rex's CD's: So I see you have {record X}... Rex: Yeah yeah, well, you gotta understand, the thing is, about that-- PL@RCD's: No, it's cool, calm down, I like it too. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:32:53 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: Baseball in Britain At 04:57 PM 10/27/2003 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Re names: What I want to know is, what the hell happened to the hundreds of >girls named Dawn I was in junior high school with? Did they all change their >names or something? They were trampled by the herd of Lisas that I was in school with. and then it was the Day of the Heathers, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:38:20 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures: Finally, a list I just can't do. >But I don't think I've done a "huh?" list on Feg for a couple >o'years, if my quick search of my old outbox is any guide. Also, >aside from FoW and Folds, who push my "condescending smarm" button, >I don't hate most of these artists -- they just don't do much for >me. So here goes: Sorry, but I must drop a flag on this play. Thread-warp...Goosens...10 yards! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: wow Miles wrote in response to Eb: >However, I was happy to see that someone else likes >* U.K. JIVE -- hugely underrated, along with the "Did Ya?" CD-5 from >around the same period. (and now to me) This is how much I think that I don't really like UK Jive (this coming from the woman who would have jumped in front of many trains for a fair glimpse of the Muswell Hill boys): I can't even remember what was on it except for UK Jive and Down All the Days. And I don't like those two songs. Can someone remind me what else is on there? Oh yeah, there is nothing guilty about liking Blur's Leisure. The melodies, if not as fun and quirky as those on the next two Blur albums, are mesmerizing and wonderful. Then again, I like Travis, and they don't even rank as anyone else's guilty pleasure here. Stewart, I'm sending a pre-emptive "shut up." Jill, who took her 14-year-old to his first concert at the Orpheum in Boston last night (remember all those great shows there in the 80s, Tom?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:13:59 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Guilty "Displeasures" / Conspicuous Gaps Ehh, I'll go ahead and deploy it since it relates to both the "guilty pleasures" and "record geek" threads... I don't think we've ever done this thread quite this way before. Which oft-considered "essential" artists are not represented in your record collection? I'll go first, because for a guy with 2500 + records, I've got a *lot* of them: - -Afghan Whigs (just never got around to them) - -Bo Diddley (recently mentioned) - -Black Sabbath - -Blue Oyster Cult - -Jackson Browne - -Coldplay/Travis and etc. modern Britpop chartbusters - -Depeche Mode - -Dire Straits - -The Doors - -Duran Duran (wouldn't even have mentioned this a few years back) - -The Eagles - -Eminem - -Eric Clapton/Derek & the Dominoes (do have some Yardbirds) - -Guns n' Roses - -Joe Jackson - -King Crimson (probably most dangerous to admit on this list) - -Led Zepplin (due mostly to teenage overexposure) - -Metallica - -Morrissey solo (do have the Smiths records, though) - -Neutral Milk Hotel (& etc. E6) - -Randy Newman - -Nine Inch Nails (those lyrics are an insurmountable obstacle, sorry) - -Pearl Jam (except as an uncredited substitute Crazy Horse) - -The Police - -Prince (aforementioned) - -Radiohead (don't hate them, just don't need any) - -Rag Against the Machine* (for reasons of musical, not political indifference) - -Smashing Pumpkins (loathe) - -Snoop Doggy Dogg, reprazentin all tha muthafuckin rap since the mid-nuh-zineties an whatnot - -Soundgarden (good at what they did, but not my bag) - -Bruce Springsteen (a project I just haven't gotten around to) - -Steely Dan - -Stone Temple Pilots (I've had a fair amount of geek-types argue that they're legit) ...and of course post-Barrett Floyd. I don't dislike them all, but most of them are conspicuous in their absence and have been pointed out to me as gaps at one time or another. I'm hitting this from the "geek" perspective... if you used the "Classic Rock Radio" definition I'd be here forever listing Steve Miller, the Allman/Doobie Brothers, Boston, Kansas, Rush etc. But since I expect anyfeg with those kinds of records to list them as "guilty pleasures", I'm leaving it alone. (I probably should've compared notes against the results of the Feg '70's/'80's Albums, but I simply cannot be assed. - -Rex * some typos should be left alone... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:08:28 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Baseball in Britain Miles Goosens wrote: > > and then it was the Day of the Heathers, closed followed by The Jen[n]if[f]ers. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:48:50 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty "Displeasures" / Conspicuous Gaps >-Stone Temple Pilots (I've had a fair amount of geek-types argue that >they're legit) In what circle of hell are STP considered "essential"? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:29:41 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Guilty "Displeasures" / Conspicuous Gaps On Mon, Oct 27, 2003, Eb wrote: > >-Stone Temple Pilots (I've had a fair amount of geek-types argue that > >they're legit) > > In what circle of hell are STP considered "essential"? San Diego? Ouch, sorry, had to take that one.... - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:35:08 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Bottom Line plea I just got this from The Bottom Line: PLEASE DONATE NOW! THE CLOCK IS TICKING! The Bottom Line's fight is not yet over. As you may have heard, Bruce Springsteen and Mel Karmazin made significant contributions, along with Sirius Satellite Radio, to help save the club. Unfortunately, The Bottom Line needs more money to negotiate with NYU and secure a new lease. It is a dire situation and to add insult to injury, NYU is asking for a 250% rent increase and demanding costly renovations. The Bottom Line has only managed to raise one third of the money it needs. It is imperative to get this money for The Bottom Line's survival. In his impassioned closing argument The Bottom Line's attorney Mark Alonso spoke for all of us when he asked the judge for a little more time before she made her ruling. Judge Recant asked, "What would be the difference in making the decision today versus next week?" "I need to raise the money to properly negotiate a lease with NYU," Alonso replied. "Your Honor, I am a cynic and not a romantic, but this club is a special place, loved by millions of people, and I can see music fans around the world rallying to save it. We just need the time." If each of us comes forward and contributes what we can, we will save this venerated club. Just as in "Its a Wonderful Life" when the town comes together to save George Bailey, we can come together to save The Bottom Line. We need to act fast! Please contribute whatever you can, but contribute. Please send a check or money order made out to Save The Bottom Line. Mail it to Save The Bottom Line, 15 W. 4th St. NY, NY 10012. Or you can contribute through Pay Pal by going to www.savethebottomline.com. Help by distributing this message to everyone you know and ask them to pass it on to everyone they know to keep the message circulating. We need to get momentum. The clock is ticking. The judge's ruling may only be a week away. Please help. Thank you, Friends of The Bottom Line _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #401 ********************************