From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #400 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, October 27 2003 Volume 12 : Number 400 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Guilty! [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven [Tom Clark ] RE: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven [Sweet & Tender Hooligan ] Re: Guilty! [Eb ] upstairs at eric's [Jim Davies ] Re: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven [Capuchin ] Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! [Eb ] Re: Guilty! [Miles Goosens ] RE: Baseball in Britain [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Guilty! [Eb ] RE: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven ["Iosso, Ken" ] Re: Robyn Acts! [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Kids' stuff [Eb ] Guilty Pleasures: Finally, a list I just can't do. ["Rex.Broome" ] Ohrwurm [Jill Brand ] Re: Kids' stuff [Miles Goosens ] RE: Guilty! [Sweet & Tender Hooligan ] Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! [Miles Goosens ] Re: Kids' stuff [Tom Clark ] RE: Guilty! ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Kids' stuff [Tom Clark ] Re: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven [Tom Clark ] Re: Guilty! [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Guilty! On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Eb wrote: > 35. Bis/The New Transistor Heroes (1997) If this is one of the ones you embrace more fully, have you heard "I Love Bis" (the singles collection SpinArt is selling)? I had several of those early songs on vinyl and was disappointed by The New Transistor Heroes when it came out, though they aren't all that different. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:08:35 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven on 10/27/03 11:42 AM, Jeff Dwarf at munki1972@yahoo.com wrote: >> People get all gooshy and seem to >> lose their cynical wit when they talk about their >> darling children. > > I suspect parenthood has a similar effect in general > though. I know people who are generally pretty > skeptical and biting, but when it comes to their > children, drop quickly towards sentimental and gooey > (though thankfully they know it). Was even raised by > one. That pretty much sums me up. My NY upbringing instilled in me the idea that everyone is a fucking asshole, but I'm a complete wimp when I'm around my daughter. I don't want her to see me hating other people or taking pleasure in someone else's pain. I guess we all want our children to be better people than we are. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:20:19 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: RE: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven > The vomitous glurge to good song ratio is probably > highest in "songs about the kids." I seem to be spending a disproportionate time talking about the Choir on this list, but nobody tops 'em when it comes to good songs about the kids. Sentimental, yeah, but always tinged with darkness, a sort of sad foreboding. Exellent examples include: Wide-Eyed Wonder Butterfly The Chicken To Cover You When She Sees Me One hideous misstep: "Cherry Bomb" from their latest, "Flap Your Wings." Not even the Choir can salvage lyrics such as: "She never takes things lightly, no Her little heart explodes sometimes I hold her tightly in my arms She really blows her daddys mind She thrills me, she kills me She spills grape juice on me" Now, then, I shall attempt to go sixty days without mentioning the Choir again. = s&th hooligan@apostate.com www.jaquelinerose.com "When you're young, your potential is infinite. You might do anything, really. You might be great. You might be Einstein. You might be Goethe. Then you get to an age where what you might be gives way to what you have been. You weren't Einstein. You weren't anything. That's a bad moment." - Charlie Kaufman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:48:40 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Kids' stuff Barbara: >>Last word on the topic for me: at least when Clapton hears that song on >>the radio or wherever, he can think: "Conor is not forgotten". Drifting from the topic, by popular demand: is it just me or were there very few kids named Conor, Connor, or Conner twelve years ago, and now there are hells of them? I know or am related to at least three Connors six & under, and the last time I check it was one of the top 10 names for newborn boys. Does this song actually relate to that, or is it just one of those mysterious name viruses like Britney, Ashley, etc.? Ibid., followed by Jeff D: >>> People get all gooshy and seem to >>> lose their cynical wit when they talk about their >>> darling children. >>I suspect parenthood has a similar effect in general >>though. I know people who are generally pretty >>skeptical and biting, but when it comes to their >>children, drop quickly towards sentimental and gooey >>(though thankfully they know it). Guilty. The invevitable songs about & for my kids are finally coming forth. I'm not sure if they'll ever see the light of day, since they are kind of embarassing. One might work, as it kind of came out of a flatout ripoff a song I used to sing for the kids ("Skyway", if you must know), and although it's much changed now I still relate it to that song (as opposed to an actual song about someone's kids) so it seems a little less lame. One other good song dedicated to the artist's child: "Flood", by Throwing Muses, if only by virtue of its really amazing bassline, which reminds me of another song but I haven't been able to place it for a decade or so. ______ "Carry On" songs: I'd say the equation between the phrase and shitty songs derives more from the sentiment than the phrase. One of my very least favorite strains of rock songwriting is The Believe-In-Yourself/Nothin's-Gonna-Stop-Us Anthem. Maybe, maybe there's a good one somewhere, but I feel certain that if I made a list of the Forty Most Odious Rock Songs Ever Composed, at least thirty of them would fit that mold. ______ Matt S: >>It seems that baseball bats are used as the blunt instrument of choice >>over here, which I've always found rather strange as I've not seen >>baseball played here before As Kris Kristoferson once said something that almost rhymed with it, "Blame it on the Ramones"... ______ From Tom C's Guilt-List, which wasn't too bad, I didn't think: >>Lyle Lovett - Pontiac Gahhh! That one is *wonderful*! Does your embarassment stem from Lovett's subsequent adoption by hipsters and indie-filmmakers, or the mild downturn in the quality of his records? 'Cuz I still rate "Pontiac" as a bonafide classic. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:43:52 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty! >Eb wrote: >> 4. The Soup Dragons/This Is Our Art (1988) > >I have Lovegod and the one after it. Only out of the >10 for $15 bin. I definitely have no interest in Soup Dragons records after This Is Our Art. > > 30. The Wonder Stuff/The Eight Legged Groove >> Machine (1988) >> 37. Blur/Leisure (1991) > >Neither is either bands best work, but I wouldn't call >them guilt-worthy. Actually, I'd file these in a similar bin as Lovegod...that ersatz, wacka-wacka Manchester beat. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:50:32 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: upstairs at eric's One might suppose that Eric Clapton was using the song as a way of trying to present, or rationalise, his thoughts. And that he wanted people to hear the song, just as you might want people to listen to you. And I doubt that I would be able to write my own words in that situation. I was in Vancouver the other week, and the newspaper had a front page story about a three-year old kid being killed by wild dogs. I just couldn't read it. Neither could my friend James. The thought of children being killed used to be sad, or a reason to get angry. Now it is simply unbearable. Don't mistake me. I haven't suddenly mellowed. Quite the opposite, in fact. And I haven't lost my reason. It's just that I seem to have a little more emotion. Just right for a Halloween gig or two, I think. Something in the air. x Jim - -- www.wholeworldwindow.com/0310kent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:55:15 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > I guess we all want our children to be better people than we are. Then I guess raising kids will be a breeze for you, Tom! J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:58:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! > >>6. Eric Burdon & the Animals/The Greatest Hits of Eric Burdon & the >Animals (1969) > >This is also kind of "Best of the Animals Vol II", right... with the >black'n'blue cover with the long version of "Sky Pilot", "San Francisco >Nights", that stuff? Yeah. 1. River Deep, Mountain High 2. San Franciscan Nights 3. Year of the Guru 4. Anything 5. Monterey 6. White Houses 7. Winds of Change 8. To Love Somebody 9. Sky Pilot The songs about groovy hippies are especially embarrassing. I might not even keep this record, except I always liked "Sky Pilot." I also have a best-of collection from the early days, but that is *not* a guilty pleasure. > >>30. The Wonder Stuff/The Eight Legged Groove Machine (1988) > >Because it's less mature than the later stuff, or is the band itself a >guilty pleasure? I would say the band is generally a guilty pleasure, though I thought Never Loved Elvis was a pretty strong record. I don't remember much about Hup at the moment, and I liked the final album worst of all. > >>37. Blur/Leisure (1991) > >Guilty, yeah, but I feel better about seeing this on the shelf than I would if their last two albums were there. Seems like just about *everyone* gave me crap about including this one. ;) Tom: >Mark Olsen & The Original Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers - My Own Jo Ellen >Steely Dan - Two Against Nature >Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti >The Flatlanders - More A Legend Than A Band >The Simpsons - Songs In The Key Of Springfield >Paul Weller - Stanley Road >Foo Fighters - Foo Fighters >Jeff Beck - Wired >Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here >Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >Roxy Music - Avalon >The Beatles - Let It Be >The Police - Outlandos D'Amour >Iris Dement - Infamous Angel >Lyle Lovett - Pontiac >Ute Lemper - Ute Lemper Sings Kurt Weill >The High Llamas - Cold And Bouncy Damn, dude...you really are too hard on yourself. What could be more "righteous" than the Flatlanders? You seem to have an inordinate degree of country-guilt. ;) Anyone heard from Jason Thornton today? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:03:19 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Guilty! Eb: >5. Milla/The Divine Comedy (1994) >13. The Cowsills/Captain Sad and His Ship of Fools (1968) >14. The Cavedogs/Soul Martini (1992) >15. Jane Siberry/No Borders Here (1984) >24. Chickasaw Mudd Puppies/8 Track Stomp (1991) >32. Shonen Knife/Happy Hour (1998) >34. Donovan/Donovan's Greatest Hits (1969) >35. Bis/The New Transistor Heroes (1997) >36. The Kinks/UK Jive (1989) >37. Blur/Leisure (1991) Tom Clark: >Laibach - Let It Be >Steely Dan - Two Against Nature >Marshall Crenshaw - Marshall Crenshaw >Esquivel - Cabaret Manana >The Coolies - Doug >The Simpsons - Songs In The Key Of Springfield >Foo Fighters - Foo Fighters >Donald Fagen - The Nightfly >MC 900FT Jesus - Welcome To My Dream >The Pursuit Of Happiness - Love Junk >Vince Guaraldi - A Charlie Brown Christmas >Joe Jackson - Night And Day >Various Artists - If I Were A Carpenter (Carpenter's Tribute) >Iris Dement - Infamous Angel >Lyle Lovett - Pontiac >Ute Lemper - Ute Lemper Sings Kurt Weill >Paul Carrack - Suburban Voodoo >The High Llamas - Cold And Bouncy You people are guilty about some weird shit. OK, what I mean is, "guilty pleasure" connotes at least "I'm not *supposed* to like this," and everything I left on the lists above are things I thought got at least a decent amount of praise from critics, hipsters, etc. Several things on Eb's list do actually fit a "not as cool as their peak stuff" sort of definition, but they usually weren't openly derided or anything. But Tom's list is especially befuddling -- what universe was that again where the cool kids didn't like Marshall Crenshaw, songs from Charlie Brown specials, "I'm an Adult Now," Lyle Lovett, and the High Llamas? However, I was happy to see that someone else likes * U.K. JIVE -- hugely underrated, along with the "Did Ya?" CD-5 from around the same period. * DOUG -- guilty *how*? This rock-opera parody *is* the greatest rock opera ever, and "Crack Pipe" is quite often The Best Song Ever. double double here comes trouble, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:06:06 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Baseball in Britain - -- "Bachman, Michael" is rumored to have mumbled on Montag, 27. Oktober 2003 14:07 Uhr -0500 regarding RE: Baseball in Britain: > Isn't ice hockey starting to be more popular in Germany? It's always been semi-popular. I guess it might even be #2 in popularity for team sports, although basketball has been "emerging" in recent years (think Nowitzki and Schrempf). Hockey games regularly draw thousands of spectators. Two of my aquaintances have season tickets for the K"olner Haie (Cologne Sharks), who are among the most successful teams. I used to go watch them more often, but have been there only once in recent years. >I have noticed > more German hockey players getting drafted by the NHL in the last few > years. I think there are other reasons for that. Germany was pretty good in the late 70s/early 80s, but back then the NHL wasn't as open towards foreigners as it is now. Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:10:15 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Robyn Acts! Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Jason T: > >>So, be advised that in the future when you mention that you are "going to > >>see The Soft Boys," you are all from now on talking about viewing my nuts. > it vastly increases the number of people who can be said to have "played > with the Soft Boys". Oh yeah... good stuff. Rex, is there any reason you're so certain about the number of people who've played with, uhm, Jason's Soft Boys? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:12:32 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Guilty! > > 15. Jane Siberry/No Borders Here (1984) > >Not sure why this is "guilty"... Dancing Class I like to take a dancing class each year it helps myself to keep in touch with me and the girls I meet are different than the ones I meet at work and there's always at least one sensitive guy there is a girl I like to pair up with she comes from Germany she's beautiful and I like the way she dresses and I like the way she moves we never speak we only aquiesce there is a mirror in the locker room and sometimes after class we stay and dance and she always shows me new steps and I try to follow her follow her? Berlin is far away I must stay I must stay in shape I must try I must try new steps must perfect must perfect each move that's harder? I will try that then but sometimes sometimes I have fears a strange and a strange and dark force is trying trying to pry me pry me from pry me from myself this is why this is why I move this is why this is why I dance must protect must perfect each step I must try I must dance faster... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:18:38 -0600 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven This discussion seems silly for a variety of reasons. 1st) If you hate a song, why talk about it. Bad songs are the rule not the exception so they are hardly worthy of comment and the fact that someone made a bunch of money off a song you think is bad is also not really noteworthy. 2nd) Songwriters write about things that matter to them. Love affairs, deaths of friends, their children, books they read. After that - if they think the song is any good - they should want the most people who could enjoy that song to hear it. That's what an artist SHOULD do. I don't begrudge Eric Clapton or the Beatles or U2 or Robyn Hitchcock the right to promote their music 3rd) The Rising by Springsteen, Live Through This by Hole, and Ohio by CNSY, The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll and The Hurricane by Dylan could all be considered exploitation of tragedies, but I think they are all quite good pieces of art and I'm thankful that they made them and I don't resent that I know the sad things they are about. Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Soutar [mailto:bsoutar@horizon.bc.ca] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:07 AM To: FEGMANIAX DIGEST Subject: Re: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven Last word on the topic for me: at least when Clapton hears that song on the radio or wherever, he can think: "Conor is not forgotten". Having a blank space where a loved one used to be is worse than having a song. And has anyone compared this song to Lennon's "Beautiful Boy"? People get all gooshy and seem to lose their cynical wit when they talk about their darling children. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Robyn Acts! "Rex.Broome" wrote: > >>... Hitchcock said from a hotel near Tucson, > >>Ariz., where he's recording and playing a small > >>part in yet another Demme film, a remake of > >>The Manchurian Candidate. > Any word on the circumstances of the recording > sessions, or is that no longer of interest > here on claptonsuxmaniax? (I assume he's not > actually recording in the > hotel, as this indicates, but who knows these days.) Didn't the Chili Peppers record parts of their last couple albums in a few rooms at the Chateau Marmont? ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:22:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Kids' stuff Speaking of kids' stuff, I found out yesterday that a close, longtime female friend is preggers for the first time. She's 38, or possibly even 39. Any of you mommies want to tell me about the dangers of this advanced-age gal having a young 'un? Feel free to take it offlist. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:42:21 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Guilty Pleasures: Finally, a list I just can't do. You know, I tried it but I just couldn't sort it all out. Too many subcategories. The two big ones being: 1) "Things That I Believe to be Legitimate Works but Get Defensive About", comprising: A) Stuff I Think Is Great For Real, However Uncool B) Records I Tried and Didn't Like But In Which I See Merit Enough That I Might Someday Change My Mind C) Subpar Records by My Favorite Artists for Completist Purposes D) Solo & Side Projects for Completist Purposes E) Hasn't Aged Well But I Don't Care (mostly Hippy-Dippy) 2) "Yeah, I Know It's Lame, But..." comprising: A) Bought It for One Song I Liked and Disliked the Rest B) Bought It Cheap for One Track I Needed at the Time for a Mix Tape C) Nostalgia Factor (Reminds Me of Someone or Somewhere) D) Seemed Like Something Funny to Buy at the Time E) Hey, Neil Young Is On Some of Their Records Actually, some of my records about which I'm most embarassed on my own behalf are failed attempts to like stuff I'm *not* supposed to feel guilty about (Belle & Sebastian, Spiritualized, etc.) - -Rex, holding off on the counter-thread until this one's done ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:26:10 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Painting OS X's teeth blue Quoting Steve Talkowski : > On Oct 27, 2003, at 10:26 AM, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > > I'm about to acquire a Sony Ericsson T616, and I'd like to communicate > > with > > it via Bluetooth in OS X. Can someone recommend a good Bluetooth > > adapter > > (are they all USB, are do they do Firewire, too?). > > Hey Gene, > > I purchased the D-Link DBT-120 USB Bluetooth adapter about 2 1/2 months > ago to use with my then new Sony Ericsson P800 (the P900 was just > announced last week and I REALLY want to trade up for it *sigh*) The Pflankner ZX/450s has some fine negative rollover point-transfer capabilities, but its cyclobus tuning apparatus twaffles excessively, especially if you're trying to retrosync it with a tordled Omst capacitation depressor. I've found that needling the K-baffle with a few spritzes of Gauvier oil tends to loosen the Brant gate enough to allow for more efficient S/Z decycling, especially at extreme data-defunctioning rates like you'd find while crumple-sorting Krzynski constants manually as opposed to using the built-in foodge parameters. Hope that helps. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:28:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Ohrwurm Well, as usual Sebastian got to it before I did, but I learned the expression "Ohrwurm" (earworm) for a tune that you can't get out of your head the first year I was in Germany (1975). We have used the English translation at home since forever but always with the understanding that we just translated it from German. AAMOF, I thought, when I first saw it on this list, that it had only been borrowed from Sebastian. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:30:00 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Kids' stuff At 12:48 PM 10/27/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Drifting from the topic, by popular demand: is it just me or were there >very few kids named Conor, Connor, or Conner twelve years ago, and now there >are hells of them? When did people start using "hells" for "lots," "many," "a plethora," etc.? Not to cite Rex for this (or anything I might mention below), and being surrounded by little Con(n)(o/e)rs probably is some sort of hell. Just ask Angel. Similarly, when did Americans start using U.K. slang? It's one thing to know what "bloody," "wanker," "bollocks," "arsed," etc., mean, but they just sound *wrong* to me when my fellow Americans say them. I mean, I can't imagine ever saying any of these expressions except in the Time Honored Context of Doing Monty Python Routines Aloud. And when did defecating on yourself become an expression of pleasure/anticipation/joy (well, beyond fetishists so inclined already)? I most commonly see this in video game magazines, which are usually written by pretty smart and literate twentysomething folks, but every single one of them will say something about This Year's Hotly Anticipated New Game like "That HALF-LIFE 2 demo was so hella cool that I pooped all over myself!" Maybe it was just the time and place of my childhood, but the only time we as young'uns ever would use that expression would be a *fear* reaction ("Tommy just scared the crap out of Lisa!"), or if, in the case of a small child, it was literally true. In neither case was this remotely a desirable thing. I'll think of more of these kinds of "kids today say the darndest things" things as soon as I hit "send," but three should be enough to cement my fogey status for at least another day. Oh, and "Holly Up on Poppy" is beautiful, and I say this even as a person who's not a parent, and not very likely to become one. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:34:46 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: RE: Guilty! > You people are guilty about some weird shit. Preach it, brother. You fuckers don't know from guilt. You want true, hollow, harrowing-night-of-the-soul, "dear Christ, who am I?" type guilt? Try walking out of the CD Warehouse with a copy of B.J. Thomas' "Happy Man" under your coat. Try scurrying to throw a jacket over your "Monster Ballads" collection when friends come to call. Try placing Deee-lite's "Dewdrops in the Garden" next to Depeche Mode on your CD shelf. Try cranking D12 down to zero as soon as your boss walks in. This, my friends, is guilt. :^) = s&th hooligan@apostate.com www.jaquelinerose.com "When you're young, your potential is infinite. You might do anything, really. You might be great. You might be Einstein. You might be Goethe. Then you get to an age where what you might be gives way to what you have been. You weren't Einstein. You weren't anything. That's a bad moment." - Charlie Kaufman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:35:03 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! At 12:58 PM 10/27/2003 -0800, Eb wrote: >Damn, dude...you really are too hard on yourself. What could be more >"righteous" than the Flatlanders? You seem to have an inordinate >degree of country-guilt. ;) I was about to mention that, but got distracted by complaining about The Darn Kids Today. Must be some Yankee "twang = supposed to suck" equation. :-) hee hee haw haw haw, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:38:55 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: RE: Kids' stuff > Similarly, when did Americans start using U.K. slang? It's one thing > to know what "bloody," "wanker," "bollocks," "arsed," etc., mean, but > they just sound *wrong* to me when my fellow Americans say them. Can't speak to the rest of these terms, but "wanker" was a choice term of derision when I was a kid, so that's, like 1982. I've never heard "bloody" from an American unless they were doing a really bad British accent, and I hear bollocks occasionally, but a discussion of the Sex Pistols is generally involved. = s&th hooligan@apostate.com www.jaquelinerose.com "When you're young, your potential is infinite. You might do anything, really. You might be great. You might be Einstein. You might be Goethe. Then you get to an age where what you might be gives way to what you have been. You weren't Einstein. You weren't anything. That's a bad moment." - Charlie Kaufman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:01:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Kids' stuff on 10/27/03 12:48 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > From Tom C's Guilt-List, which wasn't too bad, I didn't think: >>> Lyle Lovett - Pontiac > > Gahhh! That one is *wonderful*! Does your embarassment stem from Lovett's > subsequent adoption by hipsters and indie-filmmakers, or the mild downturn > in the quality of his records? 'Cuz I still rate "Pontiac" as a bonafide > classic. I do too! But going by my stated criteria, I'd still be rolling up the car window when the cool kids pull up next to me. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:01:06 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Guilty! > > 15. Jane Siberry/No Borders Here (1984) > >Not sure why this is "guilty"... I have all of Jane's cd's except for the retrospective cd that came out recently and the Christmas ones. No Borders Here (1984), One More Colour (1985), When I Was A Boy (1993) are all recommended. Consider me a Jane junky. I hope to see her at The Ark in Ann Arbor, MI in December. Michael B. NP The Pogues Rum Sodomy & The Lash ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:11:26 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Kids' stuff on 10/27/03 1:22 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Speaking of kids' stuff, I found out yesterday that a close, longtime > female friend is preggers for the first time. She's 38, or possibly > even 39. Any of you mommies want to tell me about the dangers of this > advanced-age gal having a young 'un? Feel free to take it offlist. My wife was 39 when she had Joelle. I think I remember that Down's Syndrome is more prevalent in older pregnancies, so early genetic testing is advised. Otherwise, everything went really smoothly. There are hella 35 and older moms these days. So much so I almost shit myself when I saw the makeup of the birthing class we attended. Did that come out right? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:12:38 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Tears (of Rage) in Heaven on 10/27/03 12:55 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Tom Clark wrote: >> I guess we all want our children to be better people than we are. > > Then I guess raising kids will be a breeze for you, Tom! > Fuck You Jeme Brelin! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:18:44 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Guilty! on 10/27/03 1:03 PM, Miles Goosens at outdoorminer@mindspring.com wrote: > You people are guilty about some weird shit. > > OK, what I mean is, "guilty pleasure" connotes at least "I'm not *supposed* to > like this," and everything I left on the lists above are things I thought got > at least a decent amount of praise from critics, hipsters, etc. Several > things on Eb's list do actually fit a "not as cool as their peak stuff" sort > of definition, but they usually weren't openly derided or anything. But Tom's > list is especially befuddling -- what universe was that again where the cool > kids didn't like Marshall Crenshaw, songs from Charlie Brown specials, "I'm an > Adult Now," Lyle Lovett, and the High Llamas? > > However, I was happy to see that someone else likes > > * U.K. JIVE -- hugely underrated, along with the "Did Ya?" CD-5 from around > the same period. > > * DOUG -- guilty *how*? This rock-opera parody *is* the greatest rock opera > ever, and "Crack Pipe" is quite often The Best Song Ever. > > double double here comes trouble, I guess you're right. I was just trying to fit in with the cool kids by acting like I thought my cool records weren't cool! And not to get all Jack Black about it, but I will agree that "Crack Pipe" rocks like no other song has ever rocked in the history of Rock. Gotta use matches cuz my lighter exploded, - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #400 ********************************