From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #390 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 23 2003 Volume 12 : Number 390 Today's Subjects: ----------------- ES [Eb ] Yule live to regret it ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy [Capuchin ] more crummy news for you Northwesterners [Eb ] Re: Sampling [Capuchin ] Johnny D's [Jill Brand ] yet another one ["Glen Uber" ] Autumn Is Your Last Chance: FegMusic ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: yet another one [Ken Weingold ] Re: yet another one [Steve Talkowski ] Re: yet another one [Eb ] Re: yet another one [Steve Talkowski ] Smith [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Yule live to regret it [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Schwerer Nippel-Alarm unterm Heidi-Pony [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Smith [Eb ] RE: Ziwzhi ziwzhi oo oo oo [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Ziwzhi ziwzhi oo oo oo ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Wee have Harmonies which you have not [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Elliott Smith [Aaron Mandel ] RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy ["Jason Brown \(Echo Serv] RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy [Capuchin ] RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy ["Bachman, Michael" Subject: ES http://www.undertheradarmag.com/es.html According to this article, one of the songs on his proposed new album is called "See You in Heaven"? Brrrrr. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:40:36 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Yule live to regret it James's tweaks for the geeks: >>4 (Eno) make it one of the song albums, or at a pinch Music for Films. Some >>of the Ambient stuff may just leave him dazed and confused. You're right. I should've specified this. However, I'd let Bush of Ghosts squeak through there as it features "songs" or at least "vocals" in some ways, and is so damned engaging it's nuts. >>1) Get complilations of the best Atlantic and Motown recordings prior to 1970. Fair enough... I myself *really* should work on this. >>2) At least one album which is from a culture significantly different from >>your own. Excellent. I was dancing around this issue but it's better just to make it explicit. Michael B: >>I wonder how many jazz albums should be required? I probably have 200-300 >>jazz cd's so I would suggest the geek list must included a minimum of 5 jazz >>and drop the hip-hop. Probably a legit suggestion but I couldn't put it forth 'cuz it would've been one of those "physician heal thyself" type things. This is the thing that most often surprises people about my own collection: no jazz. I dunno if it's just not my bag (not song-oriented enough for me to appreciate it?) or if it's symptomatic of my aversion to being a dilletante (or perceived dillietante) in any artistic area... I'd rather know it all or leave it alone entirely. ____ MRG: >>I'm not claiming that Yule is wonderful, just that Lewis is not a >>reliable asshole-meter. Oh, man, there's such a great joke there, but I will get in *so much trouble* if I take the time to fully construct it... Has anyone actually heard the Reedless, Yuleful VU album... did it ever exist on CD? That Elliott Smith eulogy really makes me wonder how much longer Chan Marshall's going to last... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Bachman, Michael wrote: > I wonder how many jazz albums should be required? I probably have > 200-300 jazz cd's so I would suggest the geek list must included a > minimum of 5 jazz and drop the hip-hop. That's insanity. I might say that you need an early popular jazz record like maybe a 1933 Cab Calloway recording or something, but the divergence between rock and jazz is pretty constant. However, hip-hop is an ever-influencing force of youth and rebellion, which is (sometimes only nominally) the heart of rock and roll (Huey Lewis notwithstanding). In other words, while hip-hop is going to continue to shape rock, rock has been influencing jazz more than jazz has been influencing rock in the past four decades. And seriously, I think it takes a pretty deep, irrational prejudice to simply "drop the hip-hop". J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:48:00 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Sampling According to Google, a diverse list of Usenet newsgroups which already have threads lamenting Elliott Smith's death: alt.punk.straight-edge aus.music fr.rec.arts.musique.rock alt.music.tmbg alt.music.smash-pumpkins it.arti.musica.rock alt.gossip.celebrities nl.muziek rec.audio.opinion alt.music.bootlegs alt.music.replacements alt.showbiz.gossip alt.music.aliceinchains rec.music.artists.springsteen (apparently, the *first* newsgroup to post the news) alt.obituaries alt.music.chapel-hill swnet.musik alt.fan.admiral-twin alt.music.oasis fa.music.ecto alt.tv.snl rec.audio.pro rec.music.beatles dk.kultur.musik uk.media.tv.misc es.rec.musica.alternativas rec.music.progressive alt.fan.u2 alt.punk rec.music.phish alt.music.pink-floyd Not a bad range of impact, especially considering how so-so Smith's album sales were. Impressive tally of non-English newsgroups, too. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:13:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: more crummy news for you Northwesterners http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=214897 Dub Narcotic Sound System crashes...tour cancelled. "Doing OK" is comforting, but damn...thrown from the vehicle? Ouch. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Sampling On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Eb wrote: > alt.punk.straight-edge Why these folks are lamenting a junkie folkster, I'll never know. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Johnny D's Eric, I've actually never gone to Johnny D's (although my kids go to the dentist across the street), but friends say it is cozy and intimate and all that. The food is supposed to be OK, and by making a dinner reservation, you reserve yourself a seat. I called and they were very friendly, so my advice is to call and ask as many questions as you have. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:15:29 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: yet another one Hey, hey, hey. Fred Berry, aka "Rerun" from "What's Happening". Age 52. - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:39:44 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Autumn Is Your Last Chance: FegMusic Hey kids... Just a reminder that Halloween is (for reals) the cutoff date for submissions to the much-delayed Compilation of Original Feg Tunes. I have lots of great stuff already, but I know a few of you may still be working away (Luther, Glen, Hamish, Greg, Brian H.), so let me know what's up. Those of you who've already sent me your stuff, I'm working on the liner notes, so let me know if there's anything I should or should not be saying about you and your tunes. Thanks much! Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:40:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: yet another one >Hey, hey, hey. Fred Berry, aka "Rerun" from "What's Happening". Age 52. > > So, three people from the cast have now died: Mabel King, Shirley Hemphill and Fred Berry. There must be a common thread between them...hmmmm...if I could only figure out what it is. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:11:06 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: yet another one On Wed, Oct 22, 2003, Eb wrote: > >Hey, hey, hey. Fred Berry, aka "Rerun" from "What's Happening". Age 52. > > > > > > So, three people from the cast have now died: Mabel King, Shirley > Hemphill and Fred Berry. There must be a common thread between > them...hmmmm...if I could only figure out what it is. What about the simple "happens in threes" theory? That sucks, though. He was just on that I Love The 70s VH1 thing. A good friend of mine used to do the Rerun dance. He's dead too. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:58:38 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: yet another one On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Eb wrote: > So, three people from the cast have now died: Mabel King, Shirley > Hemphill and Fred Berry. There must be a common thread between > them...hmmmm...if I could only figure out what it is. You're kidding right? Where's the obligatory Kansan diatribe connecting Heidi Klum in three steps or less that we've all come to loathe, er, love? Yer slippin' Eb... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:08:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: yet another one Lovable Steve: >>So, three people from the cast have now died: Mabel King, Shirley >>Hemphill and Fred Berry. There must be a common thread between >>them...hmmmm...if I could only figure out what it is. > >You're kidding right? >Where's the obligatory Kansan diatribe connecting Heidi Klum in >three steps or less that we've all come to loathe, er, love? > >Yer slippin' Eb... This is as good as I can do, so far: Nipple Alarm in Schloss Bellevue Yesterday, Tuesday, October 21, Our Lady Heidi Klum attended the charity benefit given by Mrs. Christina Rau, the wife of the German President Johannes Rau, at Schloss Bellevue (Castle Bellevue), the official residence of German Presidents in Berlin. Empress Heidi was accompanied by Renault Formula 1 team manager Flavio Briatore. Later on in the evening, Archangel Heidi participated in the fashion show of the charity gala and the following thing happened: http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/showpromis/2003/10/22/klum__double/klum__double.html PS I'd say it's a safe bet that Kansan will come up with something to link Klum with that race-car driver who died. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:18:19 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: yet another one On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 10:08 PM, Eb wrote: > Lovable Steve: >>> So, three people from the cast have now died: Mabel King, Shirley >>> Hemphill and Fred Berry. There must be a common thread between >>> them...hmmmm...if I could only figure out what it is. >> >> You're kidding right? > > > >> Where's the obligatory Kansan diatribe connecting Heidi Klum in >> three steps or less that we've all come to loathe, er, love? >> >> Yer slippin' Eb... > > This is as good as I can do, so far: > > Nipple Alarm in Schloss Bellevue > > Yesterday, Tuesday, October 21, Our Lady Heidi Klum attended > the charity > benefit given by Mrs. Christina Rau, the wife of the German President > Johannes > Rau, at Schloss Bellevue (Castle Bellevue), the official residence of > German > Presidents in Berlin. Empress Heidi was accompanied by Renault > Formula 1 team > manager Flavio Briatore. > > Later on in the evening, Archangel Heidi participated in the > fashion show > of the charity gala and the following thing happened: > > http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/showpromis/2003/10/22/klum__double/ > klum__double.html > > > PS I'd say it's a safe bet that Kansan will come up with something to > link Klum with that race-car driver who died. - -Steve, rediscovering how great the Dukes of Stratosphere album is... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:53:32 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Smith I sort of walked around all day in a gloomy shuffle, feeling more depressed than I thought I would, given that, even though I like Elliott Smith's music a lot, it's not something I'm obsessive about. I guess it's the sense of incredible waste, of a talent that really was just beginning to develop, snuffed out once more by a combination of stupid, stupid decisions and (entirely speculation) some sort of unfortunate psychological state, whether short- or long-term. And I can't begin to imagine how much you'd have to hate yourself to kill yourself by *stabbing* - it's beyond my ability to understand. I think Death's just clearing the lists - any other musicians in poor health still around? I wouldn't place bets on their being here in January, not this year... Grim humor dept.: http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/reap.jpg ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:30:23 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Yule live to regret it Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Michael B: > >>I wonder how many jazz albums should be required? I probably > have 200-300 > >>jazz cd's so I would suggest the geek list must included a > minimum of 5 > jazz > >>and drop the hip-hop. > I'd rather know it all or leave it alone entirely. Although that isn't the case for me and jazz, I get this: I've made conscoius decisions to *not* explore certain genres that don't immediately grab me, even though I expect there's plenty in them I'd like if I heard it: not enough time or money. That doesn't mean I don't explore genres I don't already know...just that I allow myself to wait until compelled (or overwhelmed by convenience...) > Has anyone actually heard the Reedless, Yuleful VU album Yes. Sucks. Dull. Dull. Dull. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country :: will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:42:20 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Schwerer Nippel-Alarm unterm Heidi-Pony Quoting Eb : http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/showpromis/2003/10/22/klum__double/klum__double.html I *could* have one of the online translator sites tell me what the subject line's phrase means...but it's probably far more amusing not quite knowing. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: :: --Mr. Toad np: Robyn Hitchcock - A Nipple Alarm for Bram ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:39:01 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: Elliott Smith Carole sez: >Portland's loneliest guy, our poet of heartbreak and >staggering home on a cold midnight from clubland, >tipsy and full of love and dread of work the next >morning. Carole, you rule. :) I've been feeling pretty miserable all day about this. It's weird because I've never been so upset about the death of a "famous" person before. But his music meant a lot to me, that's all I can say. I listened to a little of "Either/Or" today but got too depressed and listened to "Chutes Too Narrow," the new Shins record, instead. My sole consolation for Elliott's death is that the Shins record is very, very good. Viva Portland music! sadly, n. _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:53:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Smith >I guess it's the sense of incredible waste, of a talent >that really was just beginning to develop, snuffed out once more >by a combination of stupid, stupid decisions and (entirely >speculation) some sort of unfortunate psychological state, That's what it comes down to for me, too. For instance, the Beatles are my favorite band ever, but I feel a lot sadder about Smith's death than I felt about George Harrison's because, well, George played his hand long ago. I really don't even care whether I ever hear Brainwashed or not. But damn...there was a lot of good music left in ES. (Now, the Beatles comparison doesn't entirely hold up, because I know damn well that I'll be crestfallen when McCartney dies, even though his creative ships have 90% sailed.) The Fiery Furnaces are a wonderful thing. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:51:14 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: Ziwzhi ziwzhi oo oo oo > Michael wrote: > > Lewis is not a reliable asshole-meter. > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Is everyone's irony meter off today? The idea of improving someone's > record collection; it's straight out of Austen. You know I take everything at face value, Stewart! For those who want something different for their collection, there was a wonderful proggie on TV last night about the life and death of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, including interviews with David Cain and Maddalena Fagandini. It included discussion of David Young's wobulator, description of tape loops which ran round several rooms and corridors, clips of compositions by John Baker, and a brief snippet of Delia Derbyshire explaining the equipment. She was one of those toothy upper-class girls with a Virginia Woolf accent, and they showed a fantastic clip of rioting robots chanting one of her compositions entitled "ziwzhi ziwzhi oo oo oo" - - I've just found it Here (unfortunately with several dingbat commentators talking over it): The photo at makes Delia look darker than she appeared on the prog (assuming that photo is her). Interviewees were less than impressed with the VCS technology that had eliminated their jobs. The commentator said something like "the synthesizer can in theory sound like anything at all, but somehow always finished up with a noise like a cat chewing a bee"! Review at: - - MRG n.p. Z.Z.O.O.O. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:58:45 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Ziwzhi ziwzhi oo oo oo Michael R Godwin wrote: > > the life and death of the BBC > Radiophonic Workshop Ah, the Radiophonic Workshop. Stuff of childhood dreams. If you can find anything on Daphne Oram, and her "Oramics" (), it's well worth it. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:27:02 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Wee have Harmonies which you have not On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Ah, the Radiophonic Workshop. Stuff of childhood dreams. > If you can find anything on Daphne Oram, and her "Oramics" > (), it's well worth it. That article also has a link to: which offers an uninterrupted 29-second clip of Z.Z.O.O.O. Hugh Davies's memoir of Daphne Oram is interesting: - - Luigi Russolo PS Found some useful stuff at ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:45:42 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy Jeme wrote: >In other words, while hip-hop is going to continue to shape rock, rock has >been influencing jazz more than jazz has been influencing rock in the past >four decades. That depends on what decade you are referring to. John Coltrane was a huge influence on the Allman Brothers and Santana and John Mclaughlin/Mahavishnu Orchestra as well as other jam based bands from the late 1960's and into the 1970's and beyond. Call it a draw it the mid to late 1970's with the rock influence on jazz fusion. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:11:46 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy Mmm... jazz albums... nice... My essentials would be Charles Mingus - Ah Um, Thelonius Monk - Brilliant Corners, Miles Davis - Bitches Brew and Live Evil, John Coltrane - Blue Train, Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchadananda... Cheers Matt >From: "Bachman, Michael" > >Jeme wrote: > >In other words, while hip-hop is going to continue to shape rock, rock has > >been influencing jazz more than jazz has been influencing rock in the past > >four decades. > > That depends on what decade you are referring to. John Coltrane was a huge >influence on the Allman Brothers and Santana and John Mclaughlin/Mahavishnu >Orchestra as well as other jam based bands from the late 1960's and into the 1970's >and beyond. Call it a draw it the mid to late 1970's with the rock influence on >jazz fusion. > >Michael B. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:55:35 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Elliott Smith I love Either/Or. The other albums were a little too bare and painful. True to life I guess. God bless him and grant him peace (This is not a cue for a thread on the existence of God.). I just bought the new Shins two days ago - along with the new Belle & Sebastian - and I haven't even opened it. I want to leave work early and rush home and listen. Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: Natalie Jacobs [mailto:emma_blowgun@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:39 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Elliott Smith Carole sez: >Portland's loneliest guy, our poet of heartbreak and >staggering home on a cold midnight from clubland, >tipsy and full of love and dread of work the next >morning. Carole, you rule. :) I've been feeling pretty miserable all day about this. It's weird because I've never been so upset about the death of a "famous" person before. But his music meant a lot to me, that's all I can say. I listened to a little of "Either/Or" today but got too depressed and listened to "Chutes Too Narrow," the new Shins record, instead. My sole consolation for Elliott's death is that the Shins record is very, very good. Viva Portland music! sadly, n. _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:23:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: Elliott Smith On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Iosso, Ken wrote: > I love Either/Or. The other albums were a little too bare and painful. > True to life I guess. That's how I remembered him, but last night I reached for my two favorites, Mic City Sons and XO, and after playing both of them I realized that there was barely a despairing note in the lot. Almost makes the whole thing sadder to realize how much, on some level, he knew how to find beauty in the dismal moods I'm sure he had. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:02:03 -0700 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy Michael Bachman wrote: > Jeme wrote: > >In other words, while hiphop is going to continue to shape rock, rock has > >been influencing jazz more than jazz has been influencing rock in the > >past four decades. > > That depends on what decade you are referring to. John Coltrane was a huge > influence on the Allman Brothers and Santana & John Mclaughlin/Mahavishnu > Orchestra as well as other jam based bands from the late 1960's and into > the 1970's and beyond. Is that supposed to be a good thing? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Bachman, Michael wrote: > That depends on what decade you are referring to. John Coltrane was a huge > influence on the Allman Brothers and Santana and John Mclaughlin/Mahavishnu > Orchestra as well as other jam based bands from the late 1960's and into the 1970's > and beyond. Oh, see, I was referring to jazz having influence on DECENT or IMPORTANT rock music. Rex was writing about "serious" rock collections. I don't think Santana or The Allman Brothers have any place there... unless it's a "seriously stoners" record collection. > Call it a draw it the mid to late 1970's with the rock influence on jazz > fusion. I call it a draw with the BeBop/Rock and Roll fork twenty years earlier. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:13:17 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Geek eye etc. Been away w/ taking care of my mom plus another round of obsession w/ my god damnned manuscript, but I'll just jump right in. (I may be more in and out for a while due to the above.) - --- >6) Nuggets, in some form. Preferrably the first boxed set. My interest in that has escalated having heard that it's mostly mono, but due to the harsh high-end on the Nuggets II set, plus the Rhino Yardbirds Ultimate (both recent acquisitions), I don't know. Maybe it's old enuf it doesn't suffer as badly from what I see as an increasing Rhino tendency ... ? ...? - --- "Phony Beatle mania has bitten the dust" -- Clash Do I detect another round of B-tal rediscovery, perhaps heralded by "1"? Maybe it's just me w/ my new guitar going thru their books again, but the bootleg/needle drop scene is hopping. I always thought it would be fun to cover "There's A Place" as a very phased psych song, a la "Blue Jay Way." In Beatles terms, my next objective is: Ashton, Gardner & Dyke (mostly ex Remo Four), since Clapton & Harrison recorded w/ them in 1970, & due to their involvement in Harrison's "Wonderwall." - --- My guess is that "mainstream" kids-these-days would be down wit hip-hop, but I know little. My take is of Public Enemy & De La Soul being the respective Stones and Dead of hip-hop. And that hip-hop has sort of had an embarassement of riches in multiple Altamonts. - --- There was some ancient thread about "what feggish performer are you extremely ignorant of" & I guess Elliot Smith would be one of those for me (also Nick Drake). I expect we can watch for articles about "kids who listened to too much Elliot Smith ..." - --- I'm still processing two videos I watched back to back, Linklater's "Suburbia" and Leigh's "Naked." "Naked" was far superior & I probably wouldn't have finished "Suburbia" if I'd watched it second, but they did form an interesting pair of views of dislocated lives. Essentially, I felt the kids in Suburbia were mostly types, while the people in Naked might sound like types in a brief description, but (maybe it was the acting) they went much deeper & so did the "poetic/philosophical" stuff that crept in around the edges. The Sonic Youth soundtrack to Suburbia was OK, but I really want to get some music by Naked's scorer (?) Andrew Dickson, assuming the soundtrack is unavailable (Dickson doesn't show up in Amazon). His final piece for Leigh's "High Hopes" is memorable. Ross Taylor Poco: pleasant, amusing music, absolutely no interest in the lyrics. Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:24:46 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy Jeme wrote: >Rex was writing about "serious" rock collections. I don't think Santana >or The Allman Brothers have any place there... unless it's a "seriously >stoners" record collection. Duane Allman was just some stoner guitar player than? I don't think so. The Brothers "Live at The Fillmore East" is one of the great live rock albums of all time. Why don't you try trashing Layla for your next trick? 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If you have questions or comments about this free service, please email us at feedback@boston.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:09:10 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Record Geek Eye for the Mainstream Rock Guy Ken Iosso My suggestions, pretty standard stuff: 1) The complete Beatles catalog (proper albums, compilations not acceptable substitutes.). Seriously, even if this isn't your bag, you'll need these for reference GIVE OR TAKE A COUPLE - SURE. 2) Representative records (best of's if you must) of at least two or three key sixties acts *besides* the Beatles and the Stones. I've met too many people who are deeply into Beatles minutiae but can't recognize the Kinks on the record I'm playing at the dinner party. The Beatles simply weren't *that* much better than their contemporaries and people should know that. I WOULD ONLY INCLUDE HOT ROCKS AND THE MICK TAYLOR ALBUMS OF THE STONES - OTHERWISE SURE. KINKS, BYRDS, HENDRIX, FAIRPORT CONVENTION, LOVE - FOREVER CHANGES, JOPLIN 2A) AT LEAST 6 DYLAN ALBUMS 3) The four proper Velvet Underground albums. See conditions / rationale on (1). ABSOLUTELY! 4) At least one record where one of the names on the spine is "Brian Eno". Because everyone has something produced by him, and they should realize that his own records are usually better than the stuff with which he pays the bills. DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR ME. THOUGH I DO HAVE "BUSH OF GHOSTS" 5) A record or two by a female songwriter who trades on something other than looks or vocal prowess. A surprising amount of bush-league* music nerds, while abstractly accepting that "women can rock", don't count a single female among the rock geniuses about which they go all starry-eyed and spout endless trivia. Show me your collection and I'l find a chick who'll float your boat. Trust me. ARETHA, THE PRETENDERS, JONI, LIZ PHAIR 6) Nuggets, in some form. Preferrably the first boxed set. FUNNY, NOVEL, BUT NOT ESSENTIAL 7) At least one record where the primary instrument is something other than an electric or acoustic guitar. Use this slot for your token electronic album, jazz record, koto recital, etc. CLEARLY KLEZMER:) 8) A rock and roll record recorded before 1962 (or single-artist compilation of material from a similar vintage). Hint: finding something called "The Sun Sessions" by anyone might help. HOLLY, ELVIS, CHUCK BERRY AND BO DIDDLEY ARE ESSENTIAL 9) A "punk rock" record recorded before 1992, by someone other than the Clash or the Sex Pistols. BUZZCOCKS, WIRE, RICHARD HELL, RAMONES, ELVIS COSTELLO ARE ESSENTIAL 9A) CULT INFLUENTIAL ARTISTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OF THE ABOVE TO CREATING A TRUE GEEK: IGGY POP, BIG STAR, REPLACEMENTS, WILCO, REM, PIXIES, HUSKER DU, SOFT BOYS, PHIL OCHS, RICHARD AND LINDA THOMPSON, GRAM PARSONS, THE BAND, YO LA TENGO, SYD BARRET ERA PINK FLOYD, BELLE & SEBASTIAN, PARLIAMENT/FUNKADELIC, NRBQ, YOUR FAVORITE BAND - THERE WOULD BE NO GEEKS WITHOUT THEM. 9B) SOUL SAM COOKE, ARETHA FRANKLIN, MARVIN GAYE, AL GREEN, JAMES BROWN, SLY AND THE FAMILY STONE, PRINCE IF YOU DON'T LOVE THEM YOU STILL BETTER KNOW THEM! 10) Make a list of your favorite albums. Already got one? Good. Now go down the track listings and find all the cover versions. Get the records on which the originals appear. If your idols liked those songs and artists enough to pay tribute to them, you owe it to obsession to figure out why. Other possibilties: - -take one (1) full-length Pixies album for each posthumous Nirvana release you own. - -take one (1) country record recorded before 1982 for each Eagles record. Two (2) for each copy of either "Eagles Greatest Hits". - -take one (1) independently released album, any flavor, for each album you own by an artist with the little "registered trademark" symbol next to their name (Boston, Billy Joel, etc.) - -take one (1) out-of-print record of *my* choice, and one (1) slap with a cold dead fish for each of the Top 20 Best Selling Albums of All Time in your collection. - -if the number of EP's/singles/bootlegs/duplicate imports you own by a given artist is greater than the number of albums they've ever released, find an artist of as different a genre, writing style, time period, gender identification etc. as you can find and take one (1) full-length album by them for each extraneous disc by the object of your obsession, you sad, slavish fanboy.** Then I guess the guy would have like a week to listen to it all and then be sent before a panel of Ultimate Music Dorks to see if he could past muster. Think you can build a better geek? - -Rex *baseball reference! I think... **I think this might saddle me with like 15 Streisand records where (Streisand = the opposite of Tom Verlaine, +/-), and a similar number of Jimmy Buffett albums as a penance for my Throwing Muses sins. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #390 ********************************