From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #382 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 17 2003 Volume 12 : Number 382 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: oh well... ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Live Feglit ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Feglit Undead, and how not to be the Dead Kennedys ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Live Feglit [Johnathan Vail ] Robyn in Tucson ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Live Feglit [Carrie Galbraith ] You say it's your birthday? [Capuchin ] Re: You say it's your birthday? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: You say it's your birthday? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: oh well... ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Things I learned from Rolling Stone's "Women Who Rock" Issue ["Rex.Broome] Re: Things I learned from Rolling Stone's "Women Who Rock" Issue ["Jason ] Re: Things I learned from Rolling Stone's "Women Who Rock" Issue [Jeffre] It's Official... (no RH) [Steve Talkowski ] Re: It's Official... (no RH) [Ken Weingold ] Re: oh well... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: It's Official... (no RH) [FSThomas ] Re: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) ["Iosso, Ken" ] RE: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) ["Glen Uber" ] RE: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) ["Iosso, Ken" Subject: Re: oh well... >From: Jeff Dwarf >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: oh well... >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:46:03 -0700 (PDT) >Maximilian Lang wrote: > > You think Fox isn't > > too happy about the fish winning? There go the stellar > > ratings. > >Given how awful Fox's coverage is I can't feel for them. >Boston and/or the Yankees will provide plenty of viewers >(then Tim McCarver and Steve Lyons can drive them away, or >at least to turn on their radios to listen to Jon Miller >and Joe Morgan). Agreed, they just don't 'get' baseball. Max _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:53:42 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Live Feglit > From: "Matt Sewell" > > Gravity's Rainbow. You can work your way into Pynchon with > _The_Crying_of_Lot_49_ first or just go for it. A complete > classic for false start readings. I got into the first chapter > and then started over again 3 months later to finish. I've read the first third of Gravity's Rainbow. Twice. I dream of having two months on an island, just to read that friggin' book. But I am taking a copy of Lot 49 with me to my vacation in Cancun next week, but it's competing with Rudy Rucker's Realware and George Saunders's Pastoralia, which I finished two weeks ago intend to read again very soon. George Saunders is my new Writer Hero. My guess is, however, that the free, open bar and jacuzzi will trump reading every time. > And the Ass Saw the Angel. Very bizzare must read book especially for > Nick Cave fans. Aw, just skip that and read Flannery O'Connor. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:13:45 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Feglit Undead, and how not to be the Dead Kennedys Johnathan: >>Gravity's Rainbow. You can work your way into Pynchon with >> _The_Crying_of_Lot_49_ first or just go for it. A complete >>classic for false start readings. Sure is. But "V" I found to be a breeze the first time out and it's only marginally less dense. Dunno what the difference is there, but I like "V" better anyway... I know that's just me, though. JeFFrey: >>If anyone here's in a band, the lesson is, no matter how pointless or >>annoying it might be, you'd better get everything in writing, in terms >>of who gets what split of songwriting, performance, sales, and >>whatever the whole crazed soup of theoretical revenue streams music is >>made up of. Yeah, but it's just awful. And it usually is pointless. Sometimes even talking about it breaks up the band, and at that point ain't nobody gonna get no royalties. You might say any band that's gonna break up over something like that deserves to, and you'd probably be right about that, too. One of my ex-bands tried to do the "REM thing" where everyone shared equally in everything... but I think what we failed to take into account was that the members of REM apparently actually "liked each other" and "wanted to be in a band together". As opposed, I guess, to being "influenced by Thrice and The Used". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:08:01 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Feglit Undead, and how not to be the Dead Kennedys Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > One of my ex-bands tried to do the "REM thing" where everyone shared > equally > in everything... but I think what we failed to take into account was > that > the members of REM apparently actually "liked each other" and > "wanted to be > in a band together". It also helps, in that scenario, if everyone actually contributes in a reasonably equal manner. As far as I can tell, everyone in R.E.M. writes music (barring Stipe, I think, but he writes the bulk of the lyrics), and Mills plays a mess of instruments, Berry played piano and bass once in a while...so it made sense there. But if your guitarist writes and arranges nearly everything, and also writes the lyrics, while the bass player's contribution is mostly buying beer, the singer's to attract female fans, and the drummer's to drink the beer and get in the face of the female fans before the guitarist and bass player can ward him off, well, that probably won't work so well. Clearly, in that band, everyone except the drummer contributes equally. ..Jeff, who knows a guy who's both a drummer *and* a lawyer: you think he's asking to be the butt of jokes? J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal :: and winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Groove Puppy Subject: DK & Zen Carrie sed > But one of my closest friends is Winston Smith, you > know, that Winston Smith - designer of the DK logo > and creator of the album covers, Does he get royalties for the Scary Kid (mis)use of the logo? That one pisses me off. Matt sed > Jonathan, you recommend trying again with Z&tAoMM, > which I was quite ready to write off "ZAMM" and the sequal "Lila" are two of the most profound books I've ever read. I read "ZAMM" three times back to back. I've never read a book twice back to back before. BTW, Moby Dick is a lot of work but a beautifully crafted peice of lit. So there! (H) np - Queens of the Stone Age "Songs For The Deaf" ===== CHUCKHOLE All that great punk rock taste with only half the calories. http://clix.to/chuckhole http://www.mp3.com/chuckhole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:31:26 -0400 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Re: Live Feglit Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:12:53 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Jonathan, you recommend trying again with Z&tAoMM, which I was quite ready to write off... but then you go and mention Flan by Dogbowl which just blows me away! I thought I was the only person still to own that album! I'll seriously reconsider Z&tA.... next time I see a copy... am I right in thinking that the first 3rd of it, though, is terrible..? Nope. I bought the other copy and love it. I don't remember enough of the specifics of Z&TAoMM but I do beleive it does start out slow but it does build drama and power as it goes. Starting out its just a story of a guy going on a motorcycle trip with some friends and his son. However, as you go along on the trip you find out more about the guy's previous mental breakdown and obsessions and shock therapy. All the more interesting because this was the author's experience though I don't recall how closely autobiographical it is the son, Chris, was killed tragically in the 80's either a mugging or car accident. "The Quality of Quality" really knocks the cogs in your mind. Been meaning to check out Pynchon, though my current reading list is long and grows longer with every visit to the charity shops... I had a flick through And the Ass Saw The Angel and thought it very much more ass than...well, you get the idea... It could be. I didn't get a deeper meaning from it but it was nice trip in the dark world of Nick Cave if you like the worlds of "The Carney" and "Papa Won't Leave You" from Henry's Dream. jv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:02:33 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Robyn in Tucson Is anyone from the list going to see Robyn in Tucson tomorrow (today for digest members)? One of my friends can't make it, so I have an extra ticket. I can probably offer a ride from the Tempe/Phoenix area, if needed. Post me directly, okay? Marc marc.h@earthlink.net Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1970 00:57:43 +0100 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Live Feglit Giovedl, 16 ott 2003, alle 23:53 Europe/Rome, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. ha scritto: > I've read the first third of Gravity's Rainbow. Twice. I dream of > having > two months on an island, just to read that friggin' book. > > But I am taking a copy of Lot 49 with me to my vacation in Cancun next > week, > but it's competing with Rudy Rucker's Realware and George Saunders's > Pastoralia, which I finished two weeks ago intend to read again very > soon. > I can't see The Crying of Lot 49 as the book I would suggest first of Pynchon. A good book to read while vacationing, and a far more interesting and engaging read, is V, IMHO. It's a lark, a frolic, a mystery, a hell of a good read. Sometime in the late 80s I co-hosted a Crying of Lot 49 walking tour of San Francisco. In the book, there is a night where Oedepa (sp?) wanders around SF and we recreated it as faithfully as possible. Began at 10pm at a bar in North Beach and ended at roughly 10am under the freeway south of market. Started with about 12 and ended with about 6. We were on the move all night and had run through this twice before taking our guests on the real tour. I've always wanted to do the V walking tour of New York. Anyone else appreciate Cormac McCarthy? Esp. The Crossing? A book so sparse and eloquent that I wept through certain passages. The only book of his I haven't read is the one they made the movie out of, All the Pretty Horses. Or how 'bout Neil Gaiman? His Neverwhere (the one about the alternate universe in the London tube) was a really great read. But these days I am rereading all of Borges so I've no time for anything new. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: You say it's your birthday? It's my birthday, too. Fishing, J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:05:52 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: You say it's your birthday? - --On Freitag, 17. Oktober 2003 2:00 Uhr -0700 Capuchin wrote: > It's my birthday, too. ... yeah. Happy birthday to you. So, where's the party we're going to? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:25:32 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Benn and books > > www.mrbenn.co.uk > > You *are* that shopkeeper, Joe. > > Stewart Thank you, Stewart, thank you...Off to give my Shopkeeper in the city of the Soft Boys tomorrow... Matt mused > A feg recommendation, however, is A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy > Toole - just finished reading it a while ago and it's brilliant - > Ignatius Reilly is, for the moment, my favourite anti-hero of all time... Ignatius *J* Reilly, Matt. Very important, that J. And agreed, a very fine book. But it brings me back to my beef (appropriately enough), about us tubby actors being ousted in favour of beanpoles. I read A Confederacy... in New Orleans where it's set. (I'm possibly bustin' a 40 here...). And on Canal St there's a statue of an actor playing Iggy Reilly - can't remember his name, perhaps Brian in N.O. will know. Anyway, he's not remotely rotund. In the book Iggy is a behemoth! Perhaps they hadn't got enough bronze, or whatever; but I suspect it's the anti-elephantine tendency at work again. I mean, Johnny Depp as Sancho Panza?!?!?! Do me a lemon... Shame on you, Sebastian! Not finishing Magic Mountain...Certainly in my Top 10 ever; though some Mann is a little difficult I must admit. I never finished Buddenbrooks. Back when I was in a band in the '80s, we used to do the Spiderman Theme as an encore (I know, dead wacky...), and we had a little joke about Thomasmann being one of his superhero chums...Well, I said it was a *little* joke... Crowbar Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:49:21 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: You say it's your birthday? Many happy returns! Would it be impolite to ask which birthday? I'll be 32 in a couple of weeks - I must say I'm enjoying my 30s immensely... Cheers Matt >From: Capuchin >It's my birthday, too. > >Fishing, >J. >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay connected whilst on the move. Now you can get Hotmail sent directly to your mobile phone. Click here for details. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:46:49 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: You say it's your birthday? Capuchin wrote: > It's my birthday, too. you're making tablet on your birthday? congrats, and all. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:17:08 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Benn and books > And on > Canal St there's a statue of an actor playing Iggy Reilly - > can't remember his name, perhaps Brian in N.O. will know. > Anyway, he's not remotely rotund. I think the statue does trim him a bit: http://www.reelneworleanstalent.com/spud/ignatius.html +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: oh well... > >Given how awful Fox's coverage is I can't feel for them. > >Boston and/or the Yankees will provide plenty of viewers > >(then Tim McCarver and Steve Lyons can drive them away, or > >at least to turn on their radios to listen to Jon Miller > >and Joe Morgan). > > > Agreed, they just don't 'get' baseball. Because they cover it like an NFL game. Top FOX pet peeve: late inning close-ups of losing team fans who are sitting with their palms together as if (?) in prayer. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:24:58 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Things I learned from Rolling Stone's "Women Who Rock" Issue ...AKA "I've Spent Way Too Much Time in Airports Lately". 1) (Close your eyes for this part, Nat): I knew Corrin Tucker's son was named Marshall, but in fact his full name is "Marshall Tucker Bangs". Think about it. Still, the kid already has a drum set (formerly Meg White's) which means he remains on track to marry my daughter some day. 2) Touring bill where the one thing that sucks about it is the only thing that would ever cause anyone else to by a ticket: "Rock Against Bush" featuring Steve Earle, Billy Bragg, and... Audioslave. Or maybe just Tom Morello, I kinda skimmed that one. 3) Someone just released "The Best of Big Star"??? Boy, if ever a band's voluminous output needed to be pared down to one disc and purged of all the filler... 4) The Strokes are apparently still big and "important". 5) Someone-- in fact more than one person-- bought the new Limp Bizkit album. 6) I have not stopped wanting to fuck Lucinda Williams, nor has Rolling Stone's "Women Who Rock" Issue provided me with any new viable alternatives. 7) Corporate magazines still suck. That's all for now... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:31:07 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Things I learned from Rolling Stone's "Women Who Rock" Issue At 10:24 AM 10/17/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >...AKA "I've Spent Way Too Much Time in Airports Lately". AND... 8) Quentin Tarantino and Uma Thurman are NOT dating. I got a free year's subscription to Rolling Stone. Seems like every other issue has a picture of Britney Spears in her underwear on the cover. In on-topic news, I finally purchased a copy "Luxor" and the "Storefront Hitchcock" DVD, and am enjoying both thorougly. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:56:10 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Things I learned from Rolling Stone's "Women Who Rock" Issue Quoting "Jason R. Thornton" : > I got a free year's subscription to Rolling Stone. Seems like every > other > issue has a picture of Britney Spears in her underwear on the > cover. That's just their cunning way of grabbing the obscure niche demographic of "men who like half-undressed attractive women." ..Jeff, who thinks "Obscure Niche Demographic" might not be a bad band name... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:03:58 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: It's Official... (no RH) ...iTunes on Windows rocks! Works flawlessly and everyone is sharing music between Macs and PCs here at the office. - -Steve p.s. Steve Bartman had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Cubs loss - the blame starts with Gonzalez' bobble in the eighth of game 6 and it went downhill from there. p.p.s. Yankees in four! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:08:54 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: It's Official... (no RH) On Fri, Oct 17, 2003, Steve Talkowski wrote: > ...iTunes on Windows rocks! > > Works flawlessly and everyone is sharing music between Macs and PCs > here at the office. Yeah, it works really well. Only thing weirding me out is that I use the Graphite color theme at home on OS X, and everything is blue in the Windows one. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: oh well... Jonathan Fetter wrote: > > >Given how awful Fox's coverage is I can't feel for > them. > > >Boston and/or the Yankees will provide plenty of > viewers > > >(then Tim McCarver and Steve Lyons can drive them > away, or > > >at least to turn on their radios to listen to Jon > Miller > > >and Joe Morgan). > > > > > > Agreed, they just don't 'get' baseball. > > Because they cover it like an NFL game. > > Top FOX pet peeve: late inning close-ups of losing team > fans who are sitting with their palms together as if (?) > in prayer. Let's not forget the stupid polls during the game, far too many close ups of players during the game rather than just laying back and letting us see the action, trying to jam in so many commercials we actually missed the first pitches of a couple innings last night!, and they insist on hiring announcers (McCarver, Buck, Lyons, Brennaman, even Brenly way back when) who are physically incapable of shutting up for even a moment. And now, I have to root for the fucking Marlins. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:10:14 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: It's Official... (no RH) At 02:03 PM 10/17/2003 -0400, Steve Talkowski wrote: >p.s. Steve Bartman had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Cubs loss - the >blame starts with Gonzalez' bobble in the eighth of game 6 and it went >downhill from there. I would *love* to see a release by Alou saying, in effect, "no one caused us to lose the game except ourselves; the players on the field" before that guy ends up missing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) FSThomas wrote: > At 02:03 PM 10/17/2003 -0400, Steve Talkowski wrote: >> p.s. Steve Bartman had absolutely NOTHING to do with the >> Cubs loss - the blame starts with Gonzalez' bobble in >> the eighth of game 6 and it went downhill from there. > > I would *love* to see a release by Alou saying, in > effect, "no one caused us to lose the game except > ourselves; the players on the field" before that > guy ends up missing. Alou actually did say that after the game, and the Cubs had a full press release reiterating that yesterday. I think Gary Radnich (local sports anchor/talk show host her in SF) has it right; what the Cubs really need is a public display with Ernie Banks and/or Ron Santo (the two most quintessential Cubs, for those of you who don't follow American sports) saying it's not Bartman's fault, giving him a hug or something, and saying Bartman is one of us blah blah blah. Maybe shots of the three of them at a Bulls or Bears game (since sitting through either of those should be adequate penance anyways) and an official team invitation to visit spring training (which Bartman supposedly does every year anyways). And Gov. Bush in Florida offering Bartman "asylum" in Florida is exhibit 3,985,897,896 that he is absolute dick, the total equivolent of rubbing someone's face into a pile of shit after he/she've tripped and landed in it. Just what you'd expect out of a Bush. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:37:25 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, and, of course - RYNE SANDBERG. Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Dwarf [mailto:munki1972@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:33 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) FSThomas wrote: > At 02:03 PM 10/17/2003 -0400, Steve Talkowski wrote: >> p.s. Steve Bartman had absolutely NOTHING to do with the >> Cubs loss - the blame starts with Gonzalez' bobble in >> the eighth of game 6 and it went downhill from there. > > I would *love* to see a release by Alou saying, in > effect, "no one caused us to lose the game except > ourselves; the players on the field" before that > guy ends up missing. Alou actually did say that after the game, and the Cubs had a full press release reiterating that yesterday. I think Gary Radnich (local sports anchor/talk show host her in SF) has it right; what the Cubs really need is a public display with Ernie Banks and/or Ron Santo (the two most quintessential Cubs, for those of you who don't follow American sports) saying it's not Bartman's fault, giving him a hug or something, and saying Bartman is one of us blah blah blah. Maybe shots of the three of them at a Bulls or Bears game (since sitting through either of those should be adequate penance anyways) and an official team invitation to visit spring training (which Bartman supposedly does every year anyways). And Gov. Bush in Florida offering Bartman "asylum" in Florida is exhibit 3,985,897,896 that he is absolute dick, the total equivolent of rubbing someone's face into a pile of shit after he/she've tripped and landed in it. Just what you'd expect out of a Bush. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:47:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: It's Official... (no RH) At 02:03 PM 10/17/2003 -0400, Steve Talkowski wrote: >p.s. Steve Bartman had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Cubs loss - >the blame starts with Gonzalez' bobble in the eighth of game 6 and it >went downhill from there. No, the blame starts with Dusty Baker thinking he can leave Prior and Wood in the game for 120+ pitches for start after start yet not incur any ill effects, Dusty's preference for hack-tastic out machines over patient young hitters, and Dusty not having anyone ready to go in for Prior when he finally lost it. I love Prior, Wood, and Zambrano, and normally I would have been for the Cubs, but rooting for Dusty Baker is like rooting for torn labrums and first-pitch grounders to short. Of course, Dusty's example didn't stop Grady Little from doing the same stupid "leave the starter in too long" thing with a clearly spent Pedro during the 8th inning of last night's game. Agreed that Fox's announcers are total freakin' idiots. I mean, is there evidence that Joe Buck and Thom Brennaman are actually their fathers' sons? Neither one is a patch on his ol' man. McCarver and the execrable Steve Lyons are even worse, of course. Jon 'n' Joe on the radio for the World Series is preferable to Fox's TV crew, sure, but Joe Morgan's gone from being the Best Baseball Color Guy Ever (if you thought he was good when ESPN first got Major League Baseball in 1990, you shoulda heard him when he did Reds TV in '85 and '86 -- truly astounding insights explained in crystal-clear language, like having a baseball clinic every night) to Babbling Old Curmudgeon and Font of Conventional Baseball Wisdom. Has anyone told Joe yet that Billy Beane didn't write MONEYBALL? Marlins in six, says this long-time fan of Trader Jack, Derrek Lee, Josh Beckett, and Alex the Marlin. Plus John Darnielle has to be breathing a sigh of relief after Florida's Wrigley wins, since he doesn't have to love his ex-girlfriend again. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:57:53 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: RE: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) This one time at band camp, Iosso, Ken wrote: >Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, and, of course - RYNE SANDBERG. How about Mark Grace? And didn't Mark Fyddich (sp?) pitch for the Cubs? - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:04:20 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: How would Kansan explain this? (100% Heidi Klum content) - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:05:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: You say it's your birthday? On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Capuchin wrote: > > It's my birthday, too. > > you're making tablet on your birthday? I was going to make it last night, but I ended up rearranging the furniture instead. It's possible that I'll attempt it this afternoon. > congrats, and all. Thanks. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:04:59 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) He played for another team - he's off the list! Fiddrych played his one magical season for the Tigers. And I never went to band camp. Wasn't that where kids used to first have sex? Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: Glen Uber [mailto:apostrophe@cruxofthebiscuit.com] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:58 PM To: Iosso, Ken; 'Jeff Dwarf'; Oppressive Udders Subject: RE: It's Official... (no RH or Apple) This one time at band camp, Iosso, Ken wrote: >Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, and, of course - RYNE SANDBERG. How about Mark Grace? And didn't Mark Fyddich (sp?) pitch for the Cubs? - -g- ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #382 ********************************