From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #381 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 16 2003 Volume 12 : Number 381 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: fegmaniax-digest V12 #380 ["Rex.Broome" ] Live Feglit [Johnathan Vail ] oh well... [Dolph Chaney ] Re: oh well... ["Maximilian Lang" ] DKs [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Dead Cubbies aren't much fun [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: books [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Live Feglit ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: books ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: books [Carrie Galbraith ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V12 #380 [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Dead Cubbies aren't much fun [Ken Weingold ] Re: Dead Cubbies aren't much fun [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: oh well... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Two New Tracks [bayard ] apropos of nothing in particular [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:49:34 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V12 #380 Carrie: >> But one of my closest friends is >>Winston Smith, you know, that Winston Smith - designer of >>the DK logo and creator of the album covers, Wow. If he could somehow get royalties for every time that logo has been carved into a wooden school desk or bathroom stall divider, or sharpie'd onto a white t-shirt, or spray-painted onto a high school wall... the mind reels. Forty duly busted. Haven't seen the phone-camera shit-face ad. Woe isn't me, I guess. All TV I've seen for the past week and a half has been pre-taped for me so I'm missing out on the Fall Ad Season thus far. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V12 #380 "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Haven't seen the phone-camera shit-face ad. Woe isn't > me, I guess. All TV I've seen for the past week and a > half has been pre-taped for me so I'm > missing out on the Fall Ad Season thus far. I guess it's actually mustard, but it's just disgusting. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:54:02 -0400 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Live Feglit Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:14:18 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" The only novel I've started and not finished was Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (just typing the name caused a reflex eyeroll). Though I have been told that that is really good once it gets going (though life is probably too short to start it again). It is good. Finish it. Really a life perception changing book, at least when read at college age. More good books that might take more than attempt to read: Gravity's Rainbow. You can work your way into Pynchon with _The_Crying_of_Lot_49_ first or just go for it. A complete classic for false start readings. I got into the first chapter and then started over again 3 months later to finish. Atlas Shrugged. Another good book for young adults working from rebellious liberalism towards capitalist conservatism. Most people can read the book OK but very few can read through John Galt's radio speech. And the Ass Saw the Angel. Very bizzare must read book especially for Nick Cave fans. Infinite Jest. A great book. Really. Someday I hope to finish it. Flan: Stephen Tenny's book with the story that the Dogbowl album is about. I can't find this one anywhere. Anyone help me? jv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:33:44 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: oh well... ...at least I'll be able to get a table at Wrigleyville restaurants next week... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:50:30 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: oh well... >From: Dolph Chaney >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: oh well... >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:33:44 -0500 >...at least I'll be able to get a table at Wrigleyville restaurants next >week... Steve Bartman won't, the poor slob. You think Fox isn't too happy about the fish winning? There go the stellar ratings. A nervous Yankee fan, Max _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:27:43 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: DKs I somehow lost completely the e-mail with the links to the info on the Jello/DKs lawsuits - but I did some digging, and aside from the two main sites (Alternative Tentacles and Dead Kennedys, both at the obvious URLs), I found this article, which is pretty informative, albeit a bit Jello-slanted: . That Klaus Fluoride interview: . Man, my head hurts: first, regardless of which party's in the right, I agree w/Biafra that the jury decision essentially stating that someone can be held liable for "poor promotion" is a bad decision. Objectively, what is "poor"? What does a label, or anyone else, have to do to prove their promotion is adequate? Seems to me the only even half-proof of effective promotion is sales...but there are loads of well-promoted releases that *don't* sell. I think one of Biafra's problems is that he doesn't seem to recognize that attack-dog agit-prop isn't going to work well, rhetorically, in the courtroom...or for that matter, on his website, where it reads rather pissily (esp. when you recall it's his label, his website). Another is that his ad hominem style throws up a fog of irrelevance: that most of his fans are likely to be appalled at the idea of licensing DK songs for commercials (me too), that fact has nothing to do with who has the legal right to do so (and in fact, no one has, to date...something else obscured by such fog). If anyone here's in a band, the lesson is, no matter how pointless or annoying it might be, you'd better get everything in writing, in terms of who gets what split of songwriting, performance, sales, and whatever the whole crazed soup of theoretical revenue streams music is made up of. Biafra claims he should get more, because he wrote nearly all the lyrics and, he says, most of the melodies; Fluoride counters with the claim that even if Biafra's claim about the melodies is correct, there's so much more to their music - a "more" that's key to what makes the music distinctive, and a "more" that encompasses aspects of music traditionally deemed "composition" and not just "arrangement" - that the other three members are entitled to shares as well. Had the band agreed, say, that given the importance of Biafra's lyrics, those were 25% of every song, with the remaining 75% being split, say, 20/20/20 among the instrumentalists and 15 to Biafra (arbitrary percentages, but an approximation of contribution), then that argument wouldn't exist. The larger issue (and the Butthole Surfers were in a similar lawsuit recently, I believe) is the lesson that no matter how anti-corporate your views, you can't just opt out of that system. It's great that labels like AT want to restore honesty, honor, and simple, basic handshake agreements to the music industry...but unfortunately, the reason legal documents are complex is that reality is complex. No one could have predicted that twenty-five years later, DK albums would be selling better than ever...or that because of that, some sort of agreement would have to be arrived at regarding the distribution of the proceeds of those sales. In other words, if you're selling something, you're in business, no matter how anti-business(as-usual) you are. And of course, by not paying the band timely (something everyone admits), Biafra really fucked up - particularly in terms of the impression that seems to have made in the courtroom. Someone said Jeme is very much on the pro-Jello side - I'd be curious to hear his take on this. ..Jeff, shutting up now. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: :: --Mr. Toad np: Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it in People ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Dead Cubbies aren't much fun ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:06:00 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: books >> OK, new thread: books you haven't finished. I'll start: >> Joyce, Ulysses >> Thomas Mann, Magic Mountain >> Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (four attempts so far) >> Goethe, Wilhelm Meister Wanderjahre (no, that's not the >> Wonder Years) > >Moby Dick (obviously; and yes, I've tried a couple times) Ulysses, Lanark (yes, really), The Koran (again, yes really). probably loads of others, but those three come to mind readily as they are on my "must try again" list. As for being unable to finish Moby Dick, am I the only person to have instantly thought of that running gag in the movie "Zelig"? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:12:53 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Live Feglit Jonathan, you recommend trying again with Z&tAoMM, which I was quite ready to write off... but then you go and mention Flan by Dogbowl which just blows me away! I thought I was the only person still to own that album! I'll seriously reconsider Z&tA.... next time I see a copy... am I right in thinking that the first 3rd of it, though, is terrible..? Been meaning to check out Pynchon, though my current reading list is long and grows longer with every visit to the charity shops... I had a flick through And the Ass Saw The Angel and thought it very much more ass than...well, you get the idea... Cheers! Matt >From: Johnathan Vail > > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:14:18 +0100 > From: "Matt Sewell" > > The only novel I've started and not finished was Zen & The Art of > Motorcycle Maintenance (just typing the name caused a reflex eyeroll). > Though I have been told that that is really good once it gets going > (though life is probably too short to start it again). > >It is good. Finish it. Really a life perception changing book, at >least when read at college age. > >More good books that might take more than attempt to read: > >Gravity's Rainbow. You can work your way into Pynchon with > _The_Crying_of_Lot_49_ first or just go for it. A complete > classic for false start readings. I got into the first chapter > and then started over again 3 months later to finish. > >Atlas Shrugged. Another good book for young adults working from > rebellious liberalism towards capitalist conservatism. Most > people can read the book OK but very few can read through John > Galt's radio speech. > >And the Ass Saw the Angel. Very bizzare must read book especially for >Nick Cave fans. > >Infinite Jest. A great book. Really. Someday I hope to finish it. > > >Flan: Stephen Tenny's book with the story that the Dogbowl album is > about. I can't find this one anywhere. Anyone help me? > > >jv - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thinking of changing jobs? Click here to search through thousands of vacancies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:32:08 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: books Ooof... forgot about Ulysses... not that I didn't finish it, I'm just *cough* taking a really long break 500-odd pages in... Cheers Matt >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >Reply-To: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: books >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:06:00 +1300 > > >> OK, new thread: books you haven't finished. I'll start: > >> Joyce, Ulysses > >> Thomas Mann, Magic Mountain > >> Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (four attempts so far) > >> Goethe, Wilhelm Meister Wanderjahre (no, that's not the > >> Wonder Years) > > > >Moby Dick (obviously; and yes, I've tried a couple times) > >Ulysses, Lanark (yes, really), The Koran (again, yes really). probably >loads of others, but those three come to mind readily as they are on my >"must try again" list. > >As for being unable to finish Moby Dick, am I the only person to have >instantly thought of that running gag in the movie "Zelig"? > >James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > - -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have more fun with your mobile - add polyphonic ringtones, java games, celebrity voicemails and loads more! Click here for phone fun. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:13:13 +0200 (GMT+02:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: books Matt ha scritto Ooof... forgot about Ulysses... not that I didn't finish it, I'm just *cough* taking a really long break 500-odd pages in... Hmmm...I got through Ulysses with a "support" group. 6 of us meeting every other week for a year. It took a while to get in to it but once I did, there as no stopping. But Pynchon! I've read Gravities Rainbow many times. A book I really love is like an old friend I go back and visit on a regular basis. And all of Pynchon's books are like that for me - a real pleasure to read. I've never finished Moby Dick and couldn't get in to The Lord of the Rings. That goes for pretty much any fantasy fiction actually. I have a friend who started the "Marcel Proust Support Group" in order to read Rememberence of Things Past and has been running the group for years. They finish the books and then start again from the beginning. I've not attended that group however. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:19:40 +0200 (GMT+02:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V12 #380 - -----Original Message----- From: "Rex.Broome" Wow. If he could somehow get royalties for every time that logo has been carved into a wooden school desk or bathroom stall divider, or sharpie'd onto a white t-shirt, or spray-painted onto a high school wall... the mind reels. I used to take pictures for him of that logo wherever I found it in my travels - on the walls in Prague or tatooed on a shaved head in Berlin or whatever. I finally gave up since I found it everywhere I've travelled (except for in Albania). Funny he's commented about the royalties, or lack thereof... - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:59:28 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Dead Cubbies aren't much fun On Wed, Oct 15, 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > I don't get it. Who fucked what up? I'm not into sports. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Dead Cubbies aren't much fun Ken Weingold wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > I don't get it. Who fucked what up? I'm not into > sports. The guy in the center with the headphones. He interfered with a fly ball that probably could have been caught by the Cubs left fielder. The Cubs not getting that out led to their demise Tuesday night, which led to their demise for the season. Since the Cubs haven't won a World Series since the administration of Teddy Roosevelt, it's kinda cheesed a few people off to the point where he had to have his phone service disconnected and had (at least yesterday) a huge media flank outside his house waiting to terrorize him if he showed his face outside. I actually feel sorry for the guy, but I do think that was funny. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: oh well... Maximilian Lang wrote: > Steve Bartman won't, the poor slob. You think Fox isn't > too happy about the fish winning? There go the stellar > ratings. Given how awful Fox's coverage is I can't feel for them. Boston and/or the Yankees will provide plenty of viewers (then Tim McCarver and Steve Lyons can drive them away, or at least to turn on their radios to listen to Jon Miller and Joe Morgan). ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: Two New Tracks Would someone who got these be so kind as to put them out where I could get them? I'm just seeing this now... Thanks, and thanks, Ferris.. > Oi, Fegs. > > I'm in the process of FTPing two of the tracks from the Criminal Records > in-store to my site. They're two of the newbies, and can be found at: > > http://www.ochrmedia.com/grabitnow/ > > RH-031010-09.mp3 is (allegedly) "I've Got That Full Moon (In My Soul)" > and RH-031010-10.mp3 may very well be called "I Wish I Could Fly". > > I'll leave them up there for roughly 24 hours. > > All the best! > > -ferris. > > PS: give it til about 7:45EST before y'all try and grab 'em. > > PSS: I can provide .shn files for those who want, but am leary of maxing > out the site's bandwidth. > - -- Intelligence reports are useful only to the intelligent. - Robert A. Heinlein ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:36:50 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: apropos of nothing in particular A novel solution to an offhand question from the flags list. At the olympics, opening ceremony, Greece always comes into the stadium first, and the host nation always comes in last. >> (Off-topic point: Where is Greece going to march in the Athens games?). > >There is an easy solution: the parade shall never end and being made of >a continuous ring of nations, sa that Greece is first and last. Half of >the Greek delegation shall open the parade and the other half end it. >After a while, the snake shall eat its tail so that both parts of the >Greek delegation merge together. The parade shall stop only for the >opening of the next Olympic Games, allowing happy vexillologists to >clearly see the flags. Pit stops will be allowed when a flag is too >deteriorated or when the design changes (look carefully at Afghanistan, >Comoros and Rwanda). Serbia & Montenegro (if still existing) shall >remained united until 2008 to prevent complicated shunting in the snake. > >Ivan J. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #381 ********************************