From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #380 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 12 : Number 380 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Was Bob Mould there too? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Was Bob Mould there too? [Eb ] Re: Be advised [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Fwd: Re: Be advised [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] what the...? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: what the...? [Tom Clark ] Just ignore me and maybe I'll go away ["Rex.Broome" ] test (do not ignore) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Feglit Lives ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Feglit Lives [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Be(nn) advised [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Re: Be(nn) advised ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Dead Kennedys [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Dead Kennedys [Ken Weingold ] Re: Feglit Lives [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Feglit Lives ["Matt Sewell" ] RE: test (do not ignore): secret message revealed! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Creepy Ads DKs Moby Bad Books SHF Jello [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Was Bob Mould there too? Jeme: >>OBAF: Viv and I had dinner with Jello back in September of 2001. In some parts of the MidWest everyone does this every night. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:09:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Was Bob Mould there too? >Jeme: >>>OBAF: Viv and I had dinner with Jello back in September of 2001. > >In some parts of the MidWest everyone does this every night. There's always room for Jeme. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:16:04 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Be advised Quoting Eb : ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:21:49 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Fwd: Re: Be advised It would seem only part of this came through the first time... - ----- Forwarded message from Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Quoting Eb : ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:33:04 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: what the...? Sorry to bug you all - but when my last two messages returned to my inbox, they were stripped of everything after the "quoting so-and-so:" line. Is that true of the version you received? And if it is, is something weird going on with smoe, or what...? (My guess is if you haven't responded to the first question in thirty minutes, don't bother: someone else will have. But if you know the answer to the second question, yeah, I'm interested...) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: :: --Mr. Toad np: Aphex Twin _Drukqs_ disc 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:40:30 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: what the...? on 10/14/03 4:33 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey at jenor@uwm.edu wrote: > Sorry to bug you all - but when my last two messages returned to my > inbox, they were stripped of everything after the "quoting so-and-so:" > line. > > Is that true of the version you received? And if it is, is something > weird going on with smoe, or what...? > > (My guess is if you haven't responded to the first question in thirty > minutes, don't bother: someone else will have. But if you know the > answer to the second question, yeah, I'm interested...) > Nothing came through either time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 17:05:07 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Just ignore me and maybe I'll go away Eb: >>Good films I saw recently: "Far From Heaven" and "Mark of the >>Vampire." Just ok: "24 Hour Party People." I liked 24HPP and FFH about equally. I like to describe the gist of "Far From Heaven" this way: "In the fifties, it sucked to be either female, gay, black, or a child. But it sucked least to be gay, and it sucked by far the worst of all to be a child." It was real pretty, though. I dunno when I'm gonna be able to catch up on films... there are quite a few I'd like to see, but it seems like we're busy every weekend through the end of the year. Whew. _____ Sebastian: >>I can't count the books I haven't finished ... I'd like to say that they equal >>those books in number that I *have* finished, but that would be hyperbole :-) I should clarify: there are loads of books I haven't finished... just very few novels. Nonfiction books I can easily read bits of and skip others... they're kind of like newspapers or reference books in that way. Novels seems like singular works and, to me, even the crap ones deserve to be taken as a whole to be judged, like films or albums (and no, I don't often skip tracks on LP's, and never on the first listen). Can't stand to come in on a TV show halfway through, either. I only apply these rules to myself, though, and don't expect anyone else to care about this kind of thing (read: I know the illness is mine, not theirs). But I can't think of a novel I've started and not finished, at least not one where I consciously decided "screw this" and stopped. I figure I've left a few behind during travel or even, during really busy periods, just forgotten what I had been reading before I got busy, and started something else. So those books must've... what's the phrase? Ah yes. Sucked elephants through a straw. ____ Tom C: >>Anyway, nice story. I always appreciate reading about listmember's >>personal sagas. Good to know you made it back in one piece. Thanks... I'll be normal in a day or two. Ooops, just in time for my mother-in-law to get into town. Wheeee! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:58:45 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: emusic things that r good enough Daniel Lanois Heidi Berry Badly Drawn Boy John Cale Isaac Hayes Sissy Bar Mark Eitzel Stereolab Graeme Downes Merzbow Dressy Bessy The Lemonheads Derek Bailey James William Hindle Cocteau Twins Mission Of Burma John Fahey Jack Logan And Bob Kimbell Congo Norvell Thrush Hermit Red House Painters Pere Ubu The Geraldine Fibbers Matmos Mink Lungs The Gits Daniel Johnston Thelonious Monk Manishevitz Michael Brook The Sneetches Nels Cline And Gregg Bendian Gilbert and Lewis Richard Shindell God Is My Co-Pilot Creedence Clearwater Revival Polysics Dashboard Confessional Sonic Boom Etienne Charry The Dear Janes They Might Be Giants (TMBG) Very Secretary Lisa Germano Japancakes Little Richard Chisel Lynyrd's Innards Jenny Toomey Wesley Willis Steeleye Span Pinback Lunachicks National Skyline King's X Ornette Coleman Blonde Redhead Capitol K Sonic Youth The Residents Lenola O Rang Richard Hell Mouse On Mars The New Pornographers The Wedding Present Glenn Branca Martha And The Muffins Experimental Audio Research Mark Kozelek The Posies The Pixies The Vexers Big Star The Mr. T Experience The Fall June and The Exit Wounds Colin Newman Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan Belle And Sebastian The Birthday Party Cat Power Amon Duul II Mogwai SIANspheric Helium George Carlin Eugene Chadbourne Roky Erickson And The Aliens The Muffs Kristin Hersh The For Carnation Tricky Gary Numan Doleful Lions Fuck Cornershop Camper Van Beethoven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:57:32 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: test (do not ignore) Since you're not ignoring this, has anyone else ever noticed that in "The Chiselers," if you listen with half an ear, it sounds kind of like MES is singing "cheese alert, cheese alert"? There may be a secret message for Rex below. Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Jeff D: > >>Instead they [the Bunnymen] released some Tim Hardin song that > escapes me > and > >>"It's All Over Now Baby blue," but as a cover of Them's version. If you're reading this, good. If you're not, please let me know. Especially if you're Rex. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:14:18 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Feglit Lives The only novel I've started and not finished was Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (just typing the name caused a reflex eyeroll). Though I have been told that that is really good once it gets going (though life is probably too short to start it again). A feg recommendation, however, is A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole - just finished reading it a while ago and it's brilliant - Ignatius Reilly is, for the moment, my favourite anti-hero of all time... Cheers Matt nr: HP Lovecraft collection - been meaning to read more HPL for ages, just getting round to it now... looking forward to reading Will Self's How The Dead Live, which is next in line. >From: "Rex.Broome" >On Moby Dick: has anyone ever (or ever spoken to anyone who) read the whole >thing and still said that it sucks? It's always seemed to me that the >nature of the perceived suck is such that one would come to the >suck-conclusion long before the end of the book and stop reading and rent >the Gregory Peck movie or something. This is why I've never started it... >because once I start it I'm damned well finishing it no matter what. Not >finishing a novel, even one I really dislike, is rarer for me than walking >out of a movie, and I only ever do that on behalf of someone I came with who >just can't take it any more. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Half price modem, FREE connection and one month FREE - click here to sign up to BT Broadband. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:18:48 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Feglit Lives - --On Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2003 10:14 Uhr +0100 Matt Sewell wrote: > The only novel I've started and not finished was Zen & The Art of > Motorcycle Maintenance (just typing the name caused a reflex eyeroll). > Though I have been told that that is really good once it gets going > (though life is probably too short to start it again). As a teenager I liked that book a lot. I don't know how I'd feel about now ... > A feg recommendation, however, is A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy > Toole - just finished reading it a while ago and it's brilliant - > Ignatius Reilly is, for the moment, my favourite anti-hero of all time... It's on my list ... ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:22:59 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Be(nn) advised Don't talk to me about B-e-n K-i-n-g-s-l-e-y... He's touted to play the part I'm currently playing. Of course, his characterisation will grace the silver screen, mine is wowing a series of arts centres in provincial English towns. I talk, naturally, of The Shopkeeper in Mr Benn. One of the mildly amusing ironies is that I'm a 40 year old fat bastard and he's an emaciated 60 year old. Take a look at www.mrbenn.co.uk to see which one of us you think suits the role better... Crowbar Joe >OSCAR-winning actor SIR BEN KINGSLEY has wed his long-term >German girlfriend >ALEXANDRA CHRISTMANN. >The 59-year-old GANDHI star married the Berlin PR consultant and >former model >"some months ago", according to his agent, SALLY LONG-INNES. >Kingsley has been married twice before, and has four children, >two of which >are older than their new 28-year-old stepmother. >Kingsley and Christmann met at the EUROPEAN FILM AWARDS last >January (02), >and currently live on the SEXY BEAST star's estate, near Oxford, >England. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:51:05 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Be(nn) advised crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com wrote: > > www.mrbenn.co.uk You *are* that shopkeeper, Joe. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1970 05:10:41 +0100 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Dead Kennedys Martedl, 14 ott 2003, alle 22:30 Europe/Rome, Capuchin ha scritto: > I just saw this email today. Me too. > Since feg music taste seems to be all over the map, is anyone here into > the Dead Kennedys? Oh yeah. >> Also, though I can already tell that Klaus Fluoride is fucking good, > > Well, he's a dick now. > I haven't talked to him since the mid 90s so I don't know his game now. >> Lastly, anyone have any DK on video? > > Man, I wish. > > The live performance I've ever seen was in Urgh! A Music War. > > OBAF: Viv and I had dinner with Jello back in September of 2001. I can try to track down some DK on video. I saw 'em a couple of times back "then" in SF at the Fab Mab. But one of my closest friends is Winston Smith, you know, that Winston Smith - designer of the DK logo and creator of the album covers, so I'll see if I can get any video. I'll let you know Ken. I haven't seen Biafra in a while either but I hear about him. He's still talking, all the time... And strangely enough, I used to work with his cousin. She was the VP of Marketing at a games company I worked at in Alameda. It was always difficult for me to reconcile Biafra with the power suited marketeer. Am I bustin' a 40? Sebastian - sorry to not be able to connect at all in Frankfurt. I only saw the Book fair and the zillions of people who stopped by our booth and the bed which I dropped into absolutely dead tired every night. No email, no time. Be Seeing you, - - carrie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:17:34 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Dead Kennedys On Sat, Jan 3, 1970, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > >>Also, though I can already tell that Klaus Fluoride is fucking good, > > > >Well, he's a dick now. > > > I haven't talked to him since the mid 90s so I don't know his game now. Well I have read up on what Jeme's problem with the rest of band is, and it's about hte law suits and stuff. I can see both sides of the story. It seems most people have only heard Jello's side. Here's an interesting interview with Klaus from Sept.: . Again, I don't know much about all of it, but I like to hear all sides. > I can try to track down some DK on video. I saw 'em a couple of times > back "then" in SF at the Fab Mab. But one of my closest friends is > Winston Smith, you know, that Winston Smith - designer of the DK logo > and creator of the album covers, so I'll see if I can get any video. > I'll let you know Ken. Thanks, Carrie! - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:44:07 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Feglit Lives On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > ... looking forward to reading Will Self's How The Dead Live, which is > next in line. Highly recommended, even if he had used the central idea before in a short story. I particularly like the support group for dead people. - - MRG n.p. (What else) "When I was dead" RH&tEs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:55:27 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Feglit Lives The North London Book of The Dead? That's the one How The Dead Live is based on? I've read that one and thought it was certainly an interesting enough premise to widen out.. Also waiting is Great Apes... Cheers Matt >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: Matt Sewell >CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Feglit Lives >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:44:07 +0100 (BST) > >On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > > ... looking forward to reading Will Self's How The Dead Live, which is > > next in line. > >Highly recommended, even if he had used the central idea before in a short >story. I particularly like the support group for dead people. > >- MRG > >n.p. (What else) "When I was dead" RH&tEs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your hands on designer bargains for less - click here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:12:35 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: test (do not ignore): secret message revealed! JeFFrey: >>Since you're not ignoring this, has anyone else ever noticed that >>in "The Chiselers," if you listen with half an ear, it sounds kind >>of like MES is singing "cheese alert, cheese alert"? Good pickup. The chorus to "Monkey Gone to Heaven" also can sound sort of like "This month is going to happen", and of course I'm still offended that Hot Hot Heat wants us to "blame the Jews, blame the Jews, blame the Jews, blame the Jew ew ews". For those still pondering the "secret message", as near as I can figure, Jeffrey was telling me to hold on to the dream, which is sweet, or perhaps more cryptically, the message was "I'm the cheapest, stammering so-and-so" (anagram for "some Tim Hardin song that escapes me"), or suggesting "Hell's subservient brainwave lobotomy" (anagram for "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue / Them's version). Both of which seem to lead us back to Mark E. Smith... fascinating! - -Rex "or maybe it's something else altogether" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Creepy Ads DKs Moby Bad Books SHF Jello Rex wrote: > Jeff D: > >>And at least it's better than the couple of commercials > >>featuring kids (for Kraft cheese slices and Energizer > >>batteries) featuring "Let's get it On." > Or the Kraft Macaroni "kids sing the blues" ads... "When > Daddy wants to please me/He only has to cheese me". > Incredibly, profoundly disturbing; probably illegal on > some level. Should be, anyhow. I never thought of that, but damn that is creepy. Commercials in general seem to have gotten much more disturbing the past couple years. That camera/phone with the moron who can't eat a simple sandwich and looks like he has shit all over his face is so repulsive I actually have to change the channel. > Ken W: > >>Since feg music taste seems to be all over the map, is > >>anyone here into the Dead Kennedys? > I have all their albums on CD (dunno who's got all the > tunes), but no good way to encode and mail mp3's right > now. Someone else prolly does. The fidelity on those > records is less than spectacular, so I don't know how > much clearer those basslines are gonna get. If no one else has done this for you by this weekend, I probably can, but since I am tethered to dial up during the week, I can't until then (well, I could, but don't feel like spending 45 minutes e-mail a frigging mp3 file). ==== James Dignan wrote: > >And Moby Dick sucks. > > tut tut tut. You've got the words in the wrong order > again. Swap the last two. this sort of gay-bashing is so unbecoming. ;) ==== Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Rex: > > because once I start it I'm damned well finishing it no > > matter what. Not finishing a novel, even one I really > > dislike, is rarer for me than walking out of a movie, > > and I only ever do that on behalf of someone I came with > > who just can't take it any more. > > How strange! The latter is true for me as well, but I > can't count the books I haven't finished ... I'd like to > say that they equal those books in number that I *have* > finished, but that would be hyperbole :-) I can't imagine keeping reading a book that, after 1/3 to 1/2 the way though, I couldn't stand. Reading takes too long to waste time torturing myself. At least with a bad movie (or tv show episode), it's gonna be over soon. I have too little time to do all the pleasure-reading I'd like to do anyways; I'm not going to waste it on something I'm not enjoying. > OK, new thread: books you haven't finished. I'll start: > Joyce, Ulysses > Thomas Mann, Magic Mountain > Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (four attempts so far) > Goethe, Wilhelm Meister Wanderjahre (no, that's not the > Wonder Years) Moby Dick (obviously; and yes, I've tried a couple times) Faust (which I do plan to get back to someday actually; had to drop the damn class I was reading it for blah blah blah) Whichever Grisham book it was I started to read because there was nothing else at the hospital when my father was there right before he died Load of the Rings (incidentally, can someone explain the signs "Frodo failed" with W on them from the protests earlier this year?) ==== Rainy Day Stalking Victim #12 & 35 wrote: > Glen: > >>I also have a perverse obsession with > >>estate sales and have often thought of writing a song > >>about an estate sale written from the point of view of > >>the deceased who is a silent observer watching > >>the "vultures" descend and "pick the carcass > >>clean" so to speak. > > Not quite the same thing, but there's a similar vibe to > "Secondhand Furniture" by the Go-Betweens... it's on the > original best-of that's out of print, but probably also a > bonus track on one of them 2-disc reissues. A > Peel Session, I think, never properly recorded > studio-wise. Good tune. Spring Hill Fair. Damn good tune. Better than half that album AFAIC, and it's a good album. === The Other White Broome: > Jeme: > >>OBAF: Viv and I had dinner with Jello back in September > >>of 2001. > In some parts of the MidWest everyone does this every > night. And in Utah, it's the law! ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:18:27 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Creepy Ads DKs Moby Bad Books SHF Jello Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > I never thought of that, but damn that is creepy. > Commercials in general seem to have gotten much more > disturbing the past couple years. That camera/phone with > the moron who can't eat a simple sandwich and looks like he > has shit all over his face is so repulsive I actually have > to change the channel. The other thing about that ad is, it would appear the idiots with the phone are broadcasting this guy's picture to their friends. Do you know whether those images are saveable at all? Cuz I'd hate to be accidentally picking my nose in my car & discover someone using a goddamned camera-phone to broadcast my slobbery to all and sundry... I wonder if the guy in the ad would be within his legal rights to grab their phone and throw it in the fryer, saying "who the hell are you to broadcast my picture w/o my permission?" I consider it very unlikely ever to happen - but if so, I'll be the test case, most likely. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them :: --TV's Frank np: PJ Harvey - 4-Track Demos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:24:17 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Creepy Ads DKs Moby Bad Books SHF Jello Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > Load of the Rings (incidentally, can someone explain the > signs "Frodo failed" with W on them from the protests > earlier this year?) I'm not sure, but I'll guess: it might be based on a "photo" in The Onion a few months back, purporting to show The One Ring on W's finger. The idea (regardless of whether the signs are from The Onion article or not) is that, see, Frodo was supposed to destroy the One Ring of Power, possession of which was supposed to give its bearer all sorts of nasty powers (but was also, ultimately, self-destructive). I guess the idea is, how *else* could W have come to power? Conspiracy theory of the day is simply that all the PNAC boys (Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc.) needed a bland, reassuring dummy, ideologically sympatico, born-again for the fundies, with an iffy past for the partying rednecks - and hey, the famous last name, requiring no actual thought to recall, probably helped too (and enlisted George I's power as well). I don't believe it's quite that simple - but it's certainly worked out well for that crowd, hasn't it. Or at least, it *was*, until all their wonderful plans for Iraq went kablooey in their faces. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Empire is incompatible with democracy. :: Democracy is founded on the rule of law, :: empire on the rule of force. :: Democracy is a system of self-determination, :: empire a system of military conquest. :: --Jonathan Schell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:00:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Creepy Ads DKs Moby Bad Books SHF Jello On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:18:27 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote : > Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > > > I never thought of that, but damn that is creepy. > > Commercials in general seem to have gotten much more > > disturbing the past couple years. That camera/phone with > > the moron who can't eat a simple sandwich and looks like he > > has shit all over his face is so repulsive I actually have > > to change the channel. > On the subject of dumb phone ads--the cell phone commercial with the fighting couple where the man crashes her business meeting with a sign saying "I'm an idiot" and text messages her cell phone with the same message, to which she responds, "Me too." Yes, sign me up for service with the company preferred by idiots. Windy day, Jon ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #380 ********************************