From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #364 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 2 2003 Volume 12 : Number 364 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: whee for the spree! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Scott Miller in Santa Rosa [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] just checking ["Marc Holden" ] How the Darkness Doubled (not unlike the Scott Millers) ["Rex.Broome" ] Words from the Front [Eb ] oh, PS [Eb ] Re: oh, PS [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: GG [Eb ] Re: Re: whee for the spree! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] f-r-i-c-t-i-o-n ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Singalonga Labour Party [Michael R Godwin ] Re: How the Darkness Doubled (not unlike the Millers) [Carrie Galbraith <] VCR Alert [Mike Swedene ] Re: VCR Alert [glen (') ] Re: f-r-i-c-t-i-o-n ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: VCR Alert [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:02:21 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: whee for the spree! Quoting "Stewart C. Russell" : > We (that'd be Catherine, Caroline Smith, Paul Hart & myself) saw The > Polyphonic Spree last night. They rocked, which is quite an achievement > when you realise they packed 20+ people onto the tiny stage at Lee's > Palace. One of the finest live bands I've ever seen. > > Oh, and when you go and see them, bring extra money. They have robes for > sale. No, really, they do. Do they sell wizard hats, too? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:11:45 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Scott Miller in Santa Rosa Quoting glen : > Scott Miller is playing a free show in Santa Rosa, California this > Friday night. Details below are from krsh.com. This is, of course, the Knoxville, alt-country Scott Miller, not the Bay Area, Love of Eb's Life Scott Miller. Miles and I (at least) say he's well worth seeing as well. > > KRSH 95.9/95.5 & the City of Santa Rosa present the 2003 Downtown Santa > Rosa Summer Concert Series > featuring a great band every week for FREE in downtown Santa Rosa. The > after-work concerts are at 6:00 p.m. in Courthouse Square (Mendocino > Avenue between 3rd and 4th Streets). > > The Downtown Concert Series is being brought to you by Sutter-community > based not-for-profit Sutter Medical Center of Santa Rosa and Sutter > Warrick Hospital. Here's the schedule: > > Friday Oct. 3rd Scott Miller & the Commonwealth > Friday Oct. 10th Rancho All Stars featuring Angela Strehli & Mike Duke > Friday Oct 17th Blazers > > Friends of the Krush Downtown Concert Series: > California Luggage - Your complete travel store! > Timothy Patrick Jewelers > Gravenstones of Cotati > Stars Music of Santa Rosa and Petaluma, Fender amplifiers and > Electrovoice > Heatwave Tanning in Sebastopol - for the best West County Tan > Keedo Children's Boutique- 838-9533 > > If anyone is planning to go, let me know and we can meet up. > > -- > > Cheers! > -g- > > "In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments -- there are > Consequences." > --R.G. Ingersoll > ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:15:27 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: just checking Yesterday I got an e-mail about a King Crimson show that had just been scheduled for the later this month in Phoenix. After picking up a ticket, I decided to check the ticket situation for Robyn at Club Congress in Tucson on the 17th this month (available on-line for $10.00 plus $1.50 surcharge per ticket). On the Club Congress site, I noticed that the Brian Jonestown Massacre was playing in just a few hours. I've wanted to see them for about 3 years now, but never had the chance. I only had one more appointment, so afterward, a friend and I drove down to Tucson for the show. It was worth the effort--a really enjoyable, odd show (there were 2 or 3 minutes of band discussion between most songs, and nothing seemed too prepared). The guitars especially were cool--Anton played a Vox hollow-body electric all night, while the other two guitarists alternated between Vox and Gibson 12 strings (an electric solid body and an electric hollow-body) and Gibson hollow-body electrics (6 string). The vocals were buried most of the time, but the rest of the mix was great. I hope Robyn's show doesn't have the sound problem. I saw someone in the "crowd" (all 30 or 40 of us) with a Moss Elixir shirt (the dark green one with the upside orange duck cartoon). I meant to ask later, but got distracted, was that anyone from this group? Later, Marc If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did." Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:32:14 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: How the Darkness Doubled (not unlike the Scott Millers) Me, then Jeff D: >>>the version of Marquee Moon in the album proper retains the >>> mistake on the original CD issue (it finishes instead of >>> fading out like it did on the original LP). >>Actually, in the essay, it mentions that this wasn't really >>a mistake; the fade-out on the vinyl was only done because >>their wasn't enough room for the full song. So it does! But I think it's a mistake... it's been debated for a while but I thought that someone recently found an article where Verlaine definitively stated that the fade was intentional, meant to suggest that the song never ended, but kept starting over and over again. Which I kind of believed, since the non-faded version is probably less than a minute longer. (By recently, I mean, like, sometime since the original CD came out). Hey... has anyone ever had a *good* campaign song? "I Wanna Destroy You" and "The President" are still up for grabs... you may fight amongst yourselves, Governor Dean and General Clark. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:19:29 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Rex's Record Rack: Reissues and Remakes Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > instrumental version of live staple "Oh Mi Amore". Still, it's not a > Verlaine CD without a screwup: the version of Marquee Moon in the album > proper retains the mistake on the original CD issue (it finishes instead > of > fading out like it did on the original LP). Nonetheless... nice. I've gotten so used to the non-fade version that I think I'd be disappointed without it. Nice thing is: you can always fade the non-fade, or dupe your own fadeout version, but if you had only the fade version, you couldn't get the non-fade version from it. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:23:00 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: How the Darkness Doubled (not unlike the Scott Millers) Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Me, then Jeff D: > >>>the version of Marquee Moon in the album proper retains the > >>> mistake on the original CD issue (it finishes instead of > >>> fading out like it did on the original LP). > > >>Actually, in the essay, it mentions that this wasn't really > >>a mistake; the fade-out on the vinyl was only done because > >>their wasn't enough room for the full song. > > So it does! But I think it's a mistake I was gonna call "bullshit on that" re the "not enough room" story: it's not as if the LP is 65 minutes long or anything, or that the extra material goes on for twenty minutes. BTW: what's the longest 33.3 LP ever pressed? My nominee is Todd Rundgren's _Initiation_, which ran some 68 minutes. Unfortunately, about half of that wasn't worth hearing... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: How the Darkness Doubled (not unlike the Scott Millers) "Rex.Broome" wrote: > So it does! But I think [the non-fade-out]'s a > mistake... it's been debated for a while but > I thought that someone recently found an article where > Verlaine definitively stated that the fade was > intentional, meant to suggest that the song never > ended, but kept starting over and over again. Which I > kind of believed, since the non-faded version is probably > less than a minute longer. (By recently, I mean, like, > sometime since the original CD came out). Having never heard the vinyl, I couldn't say. I only know what was written. > Hey... has anyone ever had a *good* campaign song? Didn't George McGovern use "Bridge Over Troubled Water?" The best I can think of in my memory is Clinton using "Don't Stop," but that says more about how crappy all the others are than anything else (not that I hate that song, but it pretty much leaves me non-plussed). > "I Wanna Destroy You" and "The President" are still up > forgrabs... you may fight amongst yourselves, > Governor Dean and General Clark. If Bill Clinton runs for New York mayor of the Senate from Arkansas like he's been frequently rumored to be considering, he could always use "Old Pervert" or "Midnight Fish." And a post-surgery transgender candidate could always use "Sometimes I Wish I was a Pretty Girl." ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:56:04 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: If you were a priest JeFFrey: >>it did give me an idea for a character in a short story, a bartender whose >>mother wanted him to be a priest. He didn't, but he did mumble words over >>the pretzels and beer for particularly penitent customers. While entertaining, this had the unfortunate effect (as many things do) of reminding me of my grandmother's declining condition. She's taken to summoning my parents to her bedside at the nursing home at 2AM and also asking for "her priest". Thing is, she's been a Presbyterian, and rather an active one, her whole life, and, umm, ain't no priests in that denomination. She's also told a few people that my brother's studying to join the priesthood. Which would certainly alarm his Jewish wife on at least two counts. But I'm just mystified as to where this priest thing comes from... movies on TV, I'd guess. Anyway... sad and worried over here... - -Rex np Stew / Something Deeper These Changes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:00:39 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Words from the Front >the version of Marquee Moon in the album >proper retains the mistake on the original CD issue (it finishes instead of >fading out like it did on the original LP). Jeez. Would you have wanted "Little Johnny Jewel" to be divided into two parts, too? Last night's Television show was...pretty good. I saw Television once before, when they were touring for their reunion album circa 1992. I must admit that I don't remember much about this show, beyond recalling that the band members all wore the same outfit (long-sleeved black turtlenecks and, I think, white/creme pants). And my seat wasn't too good, so I didn't get to visually "bond" with the band very well. I spent much of yesterday CD-shopping and CD-dumping. I decided that the best birthday present I could give myself would be to unload some of the CD craaaaaap which I can't bear to look at anymore. Ended up getting rid of over 100 CDs for the princely sum of $24 credit. Huzzah. Had another hundred left over in my trunk, but felt like I'd be pushing it to head back into the same store for a second round. CD Purchases: Beth Orton/Daybreaker (five bucks cheaper than it would be at Amoeba) and a cheap copy of 10000 Maniacs/Our Time in Eden (I've always had this on cassette). And, yes, Our Time in Eden is just as stultifyingly tuneless as I remember. Also dropped by Aron's, for the very first time since Amoeba opened a couple of *years* ago. No kidding. Ran into a friend of mine and got a birthday hug/kiss, and grabbed a few good used-CD finds: Belle & Sebastian/Fold Your Hands..., Steroid Maximus/Ectopia (just $4.99, and isn't this otherwise only available on the Web?) and (a really great deal) the import Magick Heads album in perfect shape for only $5.99 (hi James). Based on the first few tracks, I may end up liking this better than any Bats album. So, all in all, I unloaded a huge box of CDs for $24, and then spent about $32 on just five additional CDs. This is progress, I guess. ;) After Aron's, I sped over to Lawndart's place to hook up for the show. I was really surprised that he gave me the extravagant Velvet Underground box as a gift...whoa! Didn't expect he would get me a thing. After chatting with Lawndart and his charming, scantily clad roommate for a bit, we left for the show. We made a couple of other stops at bars and things, but you don't care. Somewhere during this interim, we walked by a little comedy-improv boutique and saw Sara Gilbert ("Roseanne") chatting away in the lobby Singer-songwriter Eleni Mandell opened for Television, but we skipped her set to muddle about, drink and eat pizza. Television went on around 10:10pm, and played until approximately midnight. No matching outfits, this time...just motley slackerwear. Smith was on the (audience's) left, Verlaine was center, Lloyd was on the right. The hall wasn't packed. Perhaps about 80% full, which means approximately, oh, 400-500 people? For the first few tunes, Lloyd's guitar was way too low in the mix. So, these songs were noticeably missing an aggressive element, and unfortunately this includes "Venus de Milo." Arrgh. The problem was eventually fixed. Verlaine's voice has held up fairly well, not that it was anything remarkable to start with. I still don't know if I could quote a single complete line of Television lyrics. It's all about the guitars, right? I can't rattle off a complete set list because, admittedly, I can't identify the Adventure/self-titled songs very well. I just haven't played those albums enough times. The biggest surprise was that the band skipped one of what I would deem the five essential Television songs: "Friction." Agony! I hoped it would be the encore, but this instead turned out to be some shapeless, slow jam plus a disappointing cover of the garage-rock standard "Psychotic Reaction." They really botched this song -- Lloyd took out all the brittle edge of the central riff, and instead played it as sort of a relaxed, slide-guitar lick. A fatal mistake. A record-biz biggie in our party (who, actually, used to *date* Lloyd) chimed in with the same gripe. So much for punk, man. Anyway, "Friction" was missing, but we did hear "Venus de Milo," "See No Evil," "Little Johnny Jewel" and "Marquee Moon" (in that order, I believe). "Prove It" also fell in there. "Marquee Moon" was a little rough, I thought. The chorus where they're *not* playing That Riff wasn't quite hanging together, somehow. It was also a bit overlong. I've always thought "Marquee Moon" may be the shortest-seeming 10-minute track I've ever heard, but some extra minutes of erratic, free-form epilogue robbed the piece of its original flawless pace. Still, it *was* "Marquee Moon," complete with that absolutely sublime passage where the band builds into an assault of unison, staccato notes, which then magically dissolves into creamy tangential ripples...whew. Has an orgasm ever been portrayed better in music? Otherwise, sure, there was plenty of the trademark guitar-duelling. It did start to wear on me a bit over the longer tracks, though -- all the solos seemed built on that same, vaguely Eastern modal scale, and I sometimes wished the Television Two would unleash some string-scrubbed, Sonic Youth-like tone clusters. But no, it was all intertwining solo lines. Amongst my crowd, it was generally agreed that the band was having a mild off-night. Those who saw them at last year's All Tomorrow's Parties festival preferred that performance. However, at least, tonight didn't include the prolonged-tuning-between-songs problem which I've heard others complain about in the past. A few famous faces I noticed in the audience: Ronnie and Roy from the Muffs, Eric Erlandson (ex-Hole), Rob Zabrecky (ex-Possum Dixon) and that enormous, redheaded man-mountain who was a regular on "ER" and "Parker Lewis Can't Lose." I've seen him at other shows, but can never recall his name. Oh, and Rex, there was no Television product on sale. No CDs, no T-shirts. I could have bought you a whole stack of Eleni Mandell releases, however. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:14:02 -0700 From: Eb Subject: oh, PS I forgot to set a VCR timer, and thus missed "Gilmore Girls" *again*. Jeeeeeeez. I watched very little primetime network TV over the summer, and am having trouble getting back into the swing. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:21:53 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: oh, PS Quoting Eb : > I forgot to set a VCR timer, and thus missed "Gilmore Girls" *again*. > Jeeeeeeez. I was going to do a TVWP-type summary, but I realized that that would work better if I watched the episode again, and also I'm not sure whether you want surprises not ruined on the grounds that someone will get you a copy before next week. So did you ever see last week's? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:26:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: GG >So did you ever see last week's? No, but I read the TVWP summary. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:44:31 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Re: whee for the spree! Jeffrey wrote: > > Do they sell wizard hats, too? No, they don't, but they do sell strange fuzzy toques in a variety of hideously jolly bright colours. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:34:11 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: f-r-i-c-t-i-o-n >Nat: > >>My favorite song on the record is "Los Angeles, I'm Yours," which would > >>certainly appeal to Jason and Eb. > >Sigh. Now I know how Miles felt when he wasn't asked if he knew where >Bluefield, WV was. No, it's not that... it's that Eb and Jason have shown a great degree of loyalty to LA in the past, and the Decembrists song that I mentioned is as vitriolic a depiction of said city as I've ever encountered. So... uh, it was a joke. You see. I should use emoticons more, maybe.... ;) >- -Rex, surprised to have actually heard the Calexico record, or indeed any >record whatsoever, before Natalie, who certainly must have some Giant Sand* >records, right? No, but I heard a Howe Gelb song once on a compilation. I really appreciate the fact that he looks like Satan. I wonder if he plucks his eyebrows to get them all evilly-looking like that? >Some beer John Doe tossed in frustration from the stage at an X show landed >on me once. A small fleck of Scott McCaughey's saliva got on me when the Young Fresh Fellows opened for the Soft Boys... fortunately his mediocrity wasn't catching and my songwriting skills were not diminished (which is good, since they were virtually nil to begin with). >(3) Television, Adventure (reissue). Very glad this got reissued along >with >the debut, because for what's always thought of as a "sophomore slump" it's >really a great record. After "Marquee Moon" there's really nowhere to go but down. I've been meaning to buy "Adventure" for years, now here's my chance... when it's an expensive re-issue instead of a nice cheap "best value" version which probably is long out of print anyway. (Yeah, I know... extra tracks, extra tracks.) Some friends and I once declared this to be Marquee Moon Millennium, so celebrate wisely, and make the next 997 years count. n. _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:50:09 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Singalonga Labour Party Don't miss the readers' suggestions at the foot of the page. - - MRG PS Just got the new Uncut featuring a CD of selections by REM. Strangely there is no Hitchcock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:48:26 +0200 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: How the Darkness Doubled (not unlike the Millers) Jello Biafra's/Dead Kennedy's "California Uber Alles" when he ran for Mayor of San Francisco?? Or am I dreaming that it was used? (I seem to recall voting for him too.) Might be a better song for Arnie and his rich friends. - - c aka e Mercoledl, 1 ott 2003, alle 22:32 Europe/Rome, Rex.Broome ha scritto: > Me, then Jeff D: >>>> the version of Marquee Moon in the album proper retains the >>>> mistake on the original CD issue (it finishes instead of >>>> fading out like it did on the original LP). > >>> Actually, in the essay, it mentions that this wasn't really >>> a mistake; the fade-out on the vinyl was only done because >>> their wasn't enough room for the full song. > > So it does! But I think it's a mistake... it's been debated for a > while but > I thought that someone recently found an article where Verlaine > definitively > stated that the fade was intentional, meant to suggest that the song > never > ended, but kept starting over and over again. Which I kind of > believed, > since the non-faded version is probably less than a minute longer. (By > recently, I mean, like, sometime since the original CD came out). > > Hey... has anyone ever had a *good* campaign song? "I Wanna Destroy > You" and > "The President" are still up for grabs... you may fight amongst > yourselves, > Governor Dean and General Clark. > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: VCR Alert Just a quick programming note: 8-10PM A&E has Sting 11:35 PM REM on Letterman that is all. Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:11:07 -0700 From: glen (') Subject: Re: VCR Alert On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT), Mike Swedene wrote: > Just a quick programming note: > > 8-10PM A&E has Sting > 11:35 PM REM on Letterman Sting and Stipe on the same night? I don't think I have any videotapes that can hold that much pretentiousness. At least I know that I don't have to stay up for Letterman tonight. /i'm an asshole Cheers! - -g- "Great tone and built in birth control. You've got the complete package." - --My friend Chris's description of me, Oct. 2, 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:45:53 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: f-r-i-c-t-i-o-n At 10:34 PM 10/1/2003 -0700, Natalie Jacobs wrote: >No, it's not that... it's that Eb and Jason have shown a great degree of >loyalty to LA in the past, and the Decembrists song that I mentioned is as >vitriolic a depiction of said city as I've ever encountered. So... uh, it >was a joke. You see. I should use emoticons more, maybe.... ;) A joke? Thank the Mahadeva that you told me in time to cancel my Decembrists order from amazon. Fuck you, Decembrists! And fuck emoticons, too. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:40:27 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: VCR Alert Quoting Mike Swedene : > Just a quick programming note: > > 8-10PM A&E has Sting Being trampled to death by a herd of water buffalo? Thrown from a great height into a whirling, blood-laden pool of very hungry piranha? Pumped full of hydrogen and forced to swallow a lit match? Cool. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #364 ********************************