From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #355 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 23 2003 Volume 12 : Number 355 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Uh oh. Someone said the "asshole" word again... ["Rex.Broome" ] stuff [Jill Brand ] Re: Backing bands (was RE: Radiohead) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: stuff [Mike Swedene ] another reap, anyone? [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #354 ["Natalie Jacobs" ] Re: Spam and X(TC) [Capuchin ] Re: Spam and X(TC) ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Spam and X(TC) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: another reap, anyone? ["Jon Lewis" ] Re: Spam and X(TC) ["Jon Lewis" ] yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip ["Brian" ] Re: yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip [Christopher Hintz ] Re: another reap, anyone? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: another reap, anyone? [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: Whoa, Canada/TbMnBlG (+RH content) [Devin Lee Ens ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] I am not me ["Rex.Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:20:38 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Uh oh. Someone said the "asshole" word again... Jeme: >>They Might Be Giants write about existential dread, the eternally looming >>specter of death, inevitable pain and loss, and, occassionally, longing >>for a world in which those forces do not rule and the delusional modes we >>must adopt in order to sustain sanity. (I think it's fair to except the >>entire album "No!" in this analysis.) I dunno, some of this is indeed present on "No!", and the balance might be thematically connected by the fact that it's trying to reconcile some of true oddness of the world with a child's perspective. Admittedly, it's the first TMBG record I've heard since "John Henry" (and I barely listened to that one) because of, you know, having kids, and I liked it more than anything else I'd heard by them for years. People think TMBG are funny because they sing in funny voices, and, seriously, look at the song titles... there is an intent to be humorous. And there are bits in *many* of their tunes-- jokes, I'd daresay-- where you laugh the first time you hear them. This is true of Robyn, too. It's not true of, say, Bob Mould. But trying to be utterly humorless is a guaranteed one-way ticket to Hilariousville... I won't elaborate lest the proggies and goths band together and slash my tires. (smiley emoticon here if I used them) _____ JeFFrey: >>I mean, it's not as if "being funny" and "writing about existential dread" >>etc. are mutually exclusive, are they. Of course they are! Albatross? _____ Eb: >>Cher 3, Springsteen 0, Rolling Stones 0 I keep getting spam from Ticket Bastard that uses a subject line formulation that keeps getting funnier each time: "Don't Miss Huey Lewis & the News!" Nope, I sure don't. "Don't Miss Cher!" Her either, glad she's finally done retiring. "Don't Miss Heart!" I don't, really, although compared to Huey Lewis... Anyway, man do I suddenly have a buttload of new (to me) records in front of me. Maybe I could say something about that? Other than the obvious comment that, screw Evan Dando and half of Duran Duran, this here Dandy Warhols album has Parker Posey playing mandolin on it... what, was the Mighty Wind soundtrack being recorded down the hall? - -Rex "as assholes go I really hope I'm on the humorous side" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: me 'ometown It was written: > They Might Be Giants write about existential dread, the eternally > looming > specter of death, inevitable pain and loss, and, occassionally, longing > for a world in which those forces do not rule and the delusional modes > we > must adopt in order to sustain sanity. And the response was: >Well, yes - but so did Woody Allen in his prime. Yes, and they have both worked out of Brooklyn in their day. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: stuff I'm having trouble keeping up with digests, but I DID want to comment on Max's reap re: WUSA. My family was short of devastated when we heard that professional women's soccer had folded. And the timing was perfect - a week before the beginning of the women's world cup. A great morale booster. These days, soccer plays a more important role in my life than even music (don't laugh, you might all end up there someday), and I thought it was great that women's soccer got equal time with men's. This is my Radiohead question: I have record the Bends, but that's it. I really love it, but have never run out and gotten anything else (for reasons, research soccer momhood). What should I get next? Jill, back to developing her lesson on school bussing in Boston ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:36:51 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Backing bands (was RE: Radiohead) Quoting Capuchin : > On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > On another subject entirely: someone somewhere has to name their ad > hoc > > group of backing singers, horn players, whatever, "the Synonyms." The > > barely visible minitrend of giving names to such assemblages is one > that > > should be paid more attention to... > > You know, the moment I read "someone somewhere has to name their ad hoc > group of backing...", I thought to myself "Oooh, we should make a thread > of our favorites... I know mine." > > So I'm throwing in mine. > > Perhaps the all-time best (in my limited knowledge and memory) is > certainly Violent Femmes' "The Horns of Dilemma". That is indeed one of the better ones I can think of. Hmmm. Seems to be the only one I can think of...wait! NRBQ's Whole Wheat Horns is pretty good...uh...Elvis Costello's TKO Horns is kinda blah. Okay, there needs to be a group of lesbian backup vocalists who call themselves Invert Sugar, cuz, you know, "invert" used to mean...oh okay I'll shut up now. (Waddaya mean my script for the Spinal Tap sequel was rejected?) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: stuff > This is my Radiohead question: I have record the Bends, but that's it. I > really love it, but have never run out and gotten anything else (for > reasons, research soccer momhood). What should I get next? I believe the ceneral consensus is that "OK Computer" is an excellent starting point. But you've already started. OKC ruined me for the other Radiohead albums I've heard--the sci-fi alienation themes mixed with the occasional up-front guitaristry are missing from their first two and KidA. Admittedly I haven't heard Amnesiac or Hail to the Thief--can anyone put in a good word for those two? Jon, who was disappointed to hear the word "baby" on the Bends. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: stuff - --- Jonathan Fetter wrote: > > This is my Radiohead question: I have record the > Bends, but that's > it. I > > really love it, but have never run out and gotten > anything else (for > > reasons, research soccer momhood). What should I > get next? > > I believe the ceneral consensus is that "OK > Computer" is an excellent > starting point. But you've already started. OKC > ruined me for the > other Radiohead albums I've heard--the sci-fi > alienation themes > mixed with the occasional up-front guitaristry are > missing from their > first two and KidA. Admittedly I haven't heard > Amnesiac or Hail to the > Thief--can anyone put in a good word for those two? OK COmputer is their best album (IMHO). I love Hail... it is a great record and some strong tunes on it. There are some versions of theior songs acoustically performed from some radio sessions that added to my love of hail. Kid A & Amnesiac are good to listen to as "background music" but hard to get those not familiar with radiohead to listen to them. good luck and happy listening! Mike np -> "Jaina Blues" Frank Black & The Catholics __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:30:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: another reap, anyone? Gordon "Mr. Carlson" Jump. When I was a busboy at Knott's Berry Farm many moons ago, I saw him and his clan eating in the restaurant one night.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:46:27 -0700 From: "Natalie Jacobs" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #354 >But, Canada has produced Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, Kathleen >Edwards, and the Band. None of whom suck. Kathleen Edwards is cool. I don't remember if I posted about this, but I saw her headline on a bill with Rhett Miller and Mary Lou Lord. I thought the latter was a little sad (kept apologizing, etc. - though her songs were good). Rhett Miller put on a great, energetic, crowd-pleasing show, with much ass-shimmying and flinging hair around, and Kathleen Edwards really couldn't follow that up But she was still good, in a Lucinda Williams-ish kind of way. Dunno if Rex would find her fuckable, though... >Turns out Carla's version of Willie Nelson's Red Headed Stranger is finally >being released tomorrow. I've been waiting for that one for a good long >while. She sang many songs from it at the shows I attended, in her "deep manly voice" (as she put it). I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the original so it was a bit lost on me, but she performed the songs very well. >And, erm, Nat? No Neil Young? What is it, the usual issues? We can help. I'm not sure what the usual issues are. ;) I like Neil but he never really grabbed me (eek! bad touch!), so to speak. I don't have an outright aversion as I do with Bob Dylan, so there still may be hope for me. >I have no freakin' idea where folks get the idea that They Might Be Giants >is a FUNNY band. Probably the same place they get the idea that Robyn is funny. n. _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:16:46 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Spam and X(TC) >Damn...I had 31 virus-generated email messages this morning. Never >received that many at once before. I had... (drumroll please)... 84. Which would be about six times my previous record. - --- >> On another subject entirely: someone somewhere has to name their ad hoc >> group of backing singers, horn players, whatever, "the Synonyms." The >> barely visible minitrend of giving names to such assemblages is one that >> should be paid more attention to... > >You know, the moment I read "someone somewhere has to name their ad hoc >group of backing...", I thought to myself "Oooh, we should make a thread >of our favorites... I know mine." > >So I'm throwing in mine. > >Perhaps the all-time best (in my limited knowledge and memory) is >certainly Violent Femmes' "The Horns of Dilemma". ISTR that on one of their early albums, XTC refer to theirs "Herb Helpless and the Marijuana Brass". James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:49:42 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: stuff - --On Montag, 22. September 2003 21:21 Uhr -0400 Jill Brand wrote: > I'm having trouble keeping up with digests, but I DID want to comment on > Max's reap re: WUSA. My family was short of devastated when we heard that > professional women's soccer had folded. And the timing was perfect - a > week before the beginning of the women's world cup. A great morale > booster. These days, soccer plays a more important role in my life than > even music (don't laugh, you might all end up there someday), and I > thought it was great that women's soccer got equal time with men's. I follow the world cup to the extent that I watched part of Germany vs. Canada (and I will probably watch the other games the German team is going to play), but I find it hard to build up the same kind of enthusiasm that I have for men's soccer. I can't really say why. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:51:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Spam and X(TC) On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, James Dignan wrote: > >Damn...I had 31 virus-generated email messages this morning. Never > >received that many at once before. > > I had... (drumroll please)... 84. Which would be about six times my > previous record. I installed the latest Spamassassin the other day and it's just about the jinkiest. I fed it all my old spam and then most of my saved messages so it could learn the difference between the good and the bad. I haven't had any spam get through unmarked and I haven't had any good mail marked as spam. And I got a spam this morning with a score over 40! J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:53:06 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Spam and X(TC) Capuchin wrote: > > I installed the latest Spamassassin ... > and I haven't had any good mail marked as spam. Yet; false positives do happen. These filters are clever, but they're not magic. A message can occasionally fall down the cracks between the heuristics and the statistics, and languish in your junk mail. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:41:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Spam and X(TC) Quoting James Dignan : > >You know, the moment I read "someone somewhere has to name their ad hoc > >group of backing...", I thought to myself "Oooh, we should make a > thread > >of our favorites... I know mine." > ISTR that on one of their early albums, XTC refer to theirs "Herb > Helpless > and the Marijuana Brass". This doesn't ring any bells re XTC - but it's very close to the remark tossed off in the middle of Peter Sellers & Dudley Moore's "L.S. Bumblebee" about "Alf Pervert and the Marijuana Brass." ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:26:59 -0400 From: "Jon Lewis" Subject: Re: another reap, anyone? > Gordon "Mr. Carlson" Jump. > Oh, no! This is sad indeed. His unforgettable performance as the child molester in that episode of Diff'rent Strokes elects him to the pantheon, in my book. JPL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:35:53 -0400 From: "Jon Lewis" Subject: Re: Spam and X(TC) > And I got a spam this morning with a score over 40! > Did anyone else recieve an astounding spam earlier this week offering to sell you narcotics by the kilo AND tomahawk missiles AND sex slaves AND child porn? Did anyone else think "ok, this is clearly the CIA?" That was by far my favorite spam of the year. JPL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:45:13 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip "Yip Song" used as UK TV show theme From the Museum: The Yip Song is being used by Children's BBC as the theme tune to a surreal and Pythonesque kids sitcom called Bad Penny. It stars Anne Foy as Penny who's actually the good one constantly trying to thwart the bizarre criminal activities of her roguish family. The cast also boasts Graham Fellows a.k.a. comedian John Shuttleworth. The show, which had its second airing on the digital channel CBBC August 25, 2003, was written and created by Dean Wilkinson, formerly the writer behind Ant and Dec and SMTV Live. The second series is in production now. You can find out more about Dean on his website www.deanwilkinson.co.uk - ------------ I wonder if it's a new version. ? - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:43:10 -0400 From: Christopher Hintz Subject: Re: yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip I'd heard this, but my question is, with Graham Fellows involved will they sing "Jilted John" Also, why uses a song about Robyn's dad's dying canceral delusions for a kids show? That's sick. On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 11:45 AM, Brian wrote: > "Yip Song" used as UK TV show theme > > > The Yip Song is being used by Children's BBC as the theme tune to a > surreal and Pythonesque kids sitcom called Bad Penny. It stars Anne Foy > as Penny who's actually the good one constantly trying to thwart the > bizarre criminal activities of her roguish family. The cast also boasts > Graham Fellows a.k.a. comedian John Shuttleworth. > The show, which had its second airing on the digital channel CBBC > August > 25, 2003, was written and created by Dean Wilkinson, formerly the > writer > behind Ant and Dec and SMTV Live. The second series is in production > now. > You can find out more about Dean on his website www.deanwilkinson.co.uk > > ------------ > I wonder if it's a new version. ? > -- > Brian > nightshadecat@mailbolt.com > > Christopher Hintz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:54:48 -0400 From: Christopher Hintz Subject: Re: yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip Oh wait! There's that Ry Cooder song that Billy Bragg likes to play, Bad Penny. They could use that too. Or Should I Stay or Should I Go. That was in the last Rugrats movie. You see, it doesn't have to make sense! On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 11:45 AM, Brian wrote: > "Yip Song" used as UK TV show theme > > > The Yip Song is being used by Children's BBC as the theme tune to a > surreal and Pythonesque kids sitcom called Bad Penny. It stars Anne Foy > as Penny who's actually the good one constantly trying to thwart the > bizarre criminal activities of her roguish family. The cast also boasts > Graham Fellows a.k.a. comedian John Shuttleworth. > The show, which had its second airing on the digital channel CBBC > August > 25, 2003, was written and created by Dean Wilkinson, formerly the > writer > behind Ant and Dec and SMTV Live. The second series is in production > now. > You can find out more about Dean on his website www.deanwilkinson.co.uk > > ------------ > I wonder if it's a new version. ? > -- > Brian > nightshadecat@mailbolt.com > > Christopher Hintz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip Christopher Hintz wrote: > Oh wait! There's that Ry Cooder song that Billy Bragg > likes to play, Bad Penny. They could use that too. Or > Should I Stay or Should I Go. That was in the last > Rugrats movie. You see, it doesn't have to make sense! Erm, Billy wrote "Bad Penny." He did record Ry Cooder's "The Tatler" though. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: another reap, anyone? Eb wrote: > Gordon "Mr. Carlson" Jump. > > When I was a busboy at Knott's Berry Farm many moons ago, > I saw him and his clan eating in the restaurant one > night.... Sadly, he's probably better known as the Maytag repair man these days.... ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:04:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Christopher Hintz wrote: > Also, why uses a song about Robyn's dad's dying canceral delusions for > a kids show? What, isn't existential dread funny to you? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::can you write underwater on liquid paper?:: __Zippy__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:16:17 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: another reap, anyone? > > Gordon "Mr. Carlson" Jump. >> >> When I was a busboy at Knott's Berry Farm many moons ago, >> I saw him and his clan eating in the restaurant one >> night.... > >Sadly, he's probably better known as the Maytag repair man >these days.... I don't know about that...those ads haven't been on TV for several years, have they? But WKRP has been on the air steadily...heck, I've even watched an episode within the last couple of weeks. I saw CNN cover his death -- wow, they had the *worst* picture of Jump to use as the memorial shot. Sort of that asymmetrical, squinty, irritated look he had...fine for comedy, but not for an obituary! Anyone have any thoughts on the new Rufus Wainwright album? ;) I'm still trying to fathom all of its riches -- I think I'm going to like it better than Poses, but less than the debut. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: another reap, anyone? Eb wrote: > > > Gordon "Mr. Carlson" Jump. > >> > >> When I was a busboy at Knott's Berry Farm many moons > ago, > >> I saw him and his clan eating in the restaurant one > >> night.... > > > >Sadly, he's probably better known as the Maytag repair > >man these days.... > > I don't know about that...those ads haven't been on TV > for several years, have they? But WKRP has been on the > air steadily...heck, I've even watched an episode within > the last couple of weeks. See, I've seen the some of his Maytag ads fairly recently - --probably within the last few months; he's been been paired with a younger Maytag guy -- but, alas, I haven't seen an episode of WKRP in a few years. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:51:59 -0600 From: Devin Lee Ens Subject: RE: Whoa, Canada/TbMnBlG (+RH content) Jeff Dwarf wrote > Back to the Barenaked Ladies/They Might Be Giants question that started > this: it seems like a reasonable comparison to me, in that they are both > artists that if I'm listening to them straight through, after 3-4 songs > they start grating on my nerves tremendously. That's the way I lean on the matter, tho I own a few TMBG albums and none by BNL. Of course I was in high school in Canada in the 90's, so the Ladies and the Hip are so burned into my skull that there would be no point in buying their albums. I don't know who's more clever (BNL/TMBG), one's direct, one's obscure. Of course obscurity holds more appeal for me (hence my devotion to RH), but when it comes right down to it, both are geekbands, and sing that way. Of course Moxy Fruvus (sp?) out-geeks and out smugs the lot. Whereas I can enjoy a whole TMBG album (just not two in a row) and the odd BNL single, MF (even their name is geeky) icchs me out in a few bars. On obscurity: I've now listened to Luxor for the tenth night in a row having just picked it up. It may be his least obscure record to date, and my feelings are some mixed. I think I love it. "One L" is exactly the sort of song I write when I want to tell a girl that I'm so nuts about her that I'm going to throw all my best energies into a song that will forever been known to be specifically about her-- that I cannot apply to any other crush. I don't know what to say about these sorts of songs tho. They're hard to cover, obviously, I mean, I'm not in love with Michhle. But it's one of his best songs ever, in my opinion competing with "I Feel Beautiful" for Robyn's top love song. I guess what I would like to open up for discussion is: what is the place of personal details in art? or: must a great work aim to be universal? can it be particular? or is it perhaps the aim of some art to reveal the universal in the particular? (love for Michhle as an example of LOVE itself) Also for discussion re Luxor: Where are the prawns? - --devo fruvus p.s. if you're into folky Canadians, we cannot overlook Buffy St.Marie, who just received an honorary PhD. from my own hometown university (and sang at the convocation, without anyone asking her to). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:52:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: another reap, anyone? Jeff Dwarf wrote: > See, I've seen the some of his Maytag ads fairly recently > --probably within the last few months; he's been been > paired with a younger Maytag guy -- but, alas, I haven't > seen an episode of WKRP in a few years. I just search TVGuide.com, and I guess TVLand is showing them on weekends (or at least is this weeked), which I didn't know. This Saturday, they are showing Gordon Jump's finest moment -- The Thanksgiving episode!!!!! WKRP in Cincinnati Turkey's Away 30 mins. TV shows traditionally greet holidays with a hug, but not WKRP. In this classic episode (originally telecast Oct. 30, 1978), station manager Arthur Carlson (Gordon Jump) concocts a Thanksgiving promotion, and newsman Les Nessman (Richard Sanders) shows up at the local mall to cover it live. A helicopter comes into view. Mr. Carlson is aboard. So are 20 live turkeys---which, to Les's horror, are hurled to their deaths. "Oh, the humanity," Les wails, evoking the Hindenburg as fowl balls plummet to the parking lot. Mr. Carlson is equally shocked. "As God is my witness," he declares, "I thought turkeys could fly." ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:35:56 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Wiarton Willie's understudies. Wiarton Willie is the suspect. Stewart (a pretty slow day in Canada, eh?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:23:08 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: I am not me So, I know that dream threads are always lame, but I keep having vivid dreams that I can actually remember, and something about them puzzles me. In most of them, I (or the character representing me) seem to have desires that I don't at all have in real life. In one, I really wanted to eat crayons. Now, I know where the raw material for this comes from... my younger daughter often tries to eat crayons. But in this dream, it was me. And I was being really sneaky about it, trying to eat crayons whenever I could without anyone catching me. Odder still, I really wasn't enjoying the crayons in the dream (they were, um, grittier in texture than one would hope), but I was compelled to keep eating them for some reason. In two others, I was fantastically romantically obsessed with someone for whom I've never had much attraction in real life. This was a friend from high school, although I was slightly closer with her sister (on whom I *did* have an intermittent crush). In the dream I was just talking with her and I suddenly realized that I had to tell her I was madly in love with her, and maybe, just maybe, she'd feel the same way. She showed up again last night in some deal where a whole bunch of people were staying in various rooms in a hotel and I kept gravitating to her room and, well, stuff like that. So what the hell? This guy's not me. That kind of thing happens to me occasionally in dreams, but this has been a long run of dreams (there are other examples) where I never behave in any way like myself. Whuttup, ya think? - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #355 ********************************