From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #349 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 18 2003 Volume 12 : Number 349 Today's Subjects: ----------------- yet another reap [Eb ] Street Life [Eb ] Re: The Only Ones ["Brian" ] bottom line ["Mike Hooker" ] Re: bottom line [Ken Weingold ] Re: bottom line [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: bottom line [Christopher Gross ] Re: bottom line [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: bottom line [Christopher Gross ] Re: bottom line [Ken Weingold ] Re: bottom line ["Glen Uber" ] Re: bottom line [Ken Weingold ] Re: bottom line ["Glen Uber" ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Excellent article [Eb ] Re: Excellent article ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Shooby ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: Excellent article [Aaron Mandel ] Re: reap [Eb ] Re: reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Only Ones / Vanilla? ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Only Ones / Vanilla? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Stop the bootlegger [bayard ] Re: Stop the bootlegger [FSThomas ] Not to mention the War on Tara... ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: bottom line [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: bottom line [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Excellent article [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Vanilla, anyone? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Vanilla, anyone? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Vanilla, anyone? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Excellent article ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:24:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: yet another reap Sheb "Purple People Eater" Wooley, 82. Awhile back, there was a kiddie film based on this song. The star was Neil Patrick Harris, a year or three before Doogie Howser. A bunch of it was filmed in my hometown, and I personally observed one scene being shot between Harris and Ned Beatty....woo. In other news, a close family friend (one of only two "outsiders" who attended my father's burial) has been diagnosed with terminal cancer himself. 2003...I tell ya. It's a wonder any of us will make it through this year alive. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:39:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Street Life ROXY MUSIC frontman BRYAN FERRY has been rushed to hospital with a back injury, after falling off his bicycle in Spain. The 57-year-old singer screamed in agony after the accident, and - fearing he'd slipped a disc - he was flown back to Britain for emergency X-rays at a private clinic with his girlfriend KATIE TURNER, 21. A pal says, "Bryan has a bad back anyway. He was on a mountain bike and slipped. He has been in a lot of pain." A spokesman for the star last night (16SEP03) announced Ferry had been released from hospital and won't be needing an operation. (TN/WNTSU) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:26:09 -0800 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: The Only Ones They kinda remind me of if Mitch Easter was Jonathon Richman and the Modern Lovers or something, only harder guitars. It seems as if none of their original albums are available on cd. Except maybe Special View. Nuppy On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:30:44 -0700, "Tom Clark" said: > on 9/16/03 9:32 AM, Brian at nightshadecat@mailbolt.com wrote: > > > I just discovered this band. How the hell did I miss them before? Good > > stuff! > > > > Godwin can probably give you a decent background on them. I discovered > them > around 1989 when the Replacements were covering "Another Girl, Another > Planet" on their tour. Really good stuff. > > -tc - -- Brian nightshadecat@mailbolt.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:32:15 -0400 From: "Mike Hooker" Subject: bottom line hi, i wrote a note to john beckman, vp of public affairs at NYU and he sent me a response. i thought its fair to show their side, and he said i could post it, so here it is: - --------------------------------- I very much appreciate hearing from an NYU parent, and I understand your feelings. Nobody wants to see the Bottom Line closed. But the Bottom Line has been routinely missing rent payments going back to 2000 (well before 9/11, by the way) on a rent that is already set at about 50% of market rate. Even at this rate, rent arrearages now stand at $185,000, equivalent to nearly a year-and-a-half's back rent. We are at this juncture solely because of this set of facts, not because NYU wanted to see the Bottom Line closed And in fact, NYU recently rented space just down Mercer St from the Bottom Line to try to address part of its need for classroom space, in spite of the long-standing arrearages at the Bottom Line. I think this, and the patience we have displayed, amply demonstrates our recognition of its cultural value Frankly, rather than being criticized, the University should be praised for the patience it has shown in this matter. Ultimately, though, we have come to the conclusion that we would not be meeting our obligation to our students to continue to be in the position of, effectively, subsidizing a for-profit business. If Mr. Pepper can come up with a convincing, workable solution -- which we have been asking him to do for months and months -- you may get your wish. But so far we have not seen anything that would seem to credibly provide a way out of this dilemma - -- John Beckman - ------------------------------------- ive always guessed the rent on the club would be about 20,000 a month, and would have been close if they were paying market. seems to me NYU has been subsidizing the club for years. maybe pepper and co take too much money out of it. maybe its poorly run. i think a lot has to do with the opening of the bowery ballroom. its opening seems to coincide with the start of the bottom lines money problems. unless someone steps in with big bucks, its a goner. if it stays, it will most likely be quite a different place. as far as the holloween gigs, if the club drags out the eviction, they will probably be on, it takes a long time to legally evict . take at look at my music trading list ( new URL) http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html have fun, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:38:17 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bottom line On Wed, Sep 17, 2003, Mike Hooker wrote: > hi, > i wrote a note to john beckman, vp of public affairs at NYU and he sent > me a response. i thought its fair to show their side, and he said i could > post it, so here it is: It's the same canned response I got. In this case, I don't see it as a bad thing, considering all the emails her must have gotten. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:41:47 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: bottom line - --On Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 10:32 Uhr -0400 Mike Hooker wrote: > arrearages Cool, a new word to learn ... doesn't happen too often anymore. The last one was "chattle", as in "trespass to chattle". - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:20:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: bottom line On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Cool, a new word to learn ... doesn't happen too often anymore. The last > one was "chattle", as in "trespass to chattle". Isn't that supposed to be spelled "chattel"? Chattel is a legal term for an item of personal, moveable property (ie, not real estate). It's most often seen in the phrase "chattel slavery," indicating a system where an enslaved person can be bought and sold like a piece of furniture. Is that the word you have in mind? It feels a little strange to disagree with Sebastien's spelling, since he writes better English than anyone else on this list.... - --Chris ps: I just received a junk email advertising "The World's Most Popular Male Enhancement Program." Surely beer holds that title? ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:35:25 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: bottom line - --On Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 11:20 Uhr -0400 Christopher Gross wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> Cool, a new word to learn ... doesn't happen too often anymore. The last >> one was "chattle", as in "trespass to chattle". > > Isn't that supposed to be spelled "chattel"? Yup. To be honest, all I remembered was the sound, not the spelling. So I googled for the spelling that seemed most likely and had so many hits that I thought it was right ... ;-) You get 4,750 for "trespass to chattel" and 35 for "trespass to chattle", among them one from www.law.emory.edu . > It feels a little strange to disagree with Sebastien's spelling, since he > writes better English than anyone else on this list.... You misspelled my name intentionally, right? :-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: bottom line On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > It feels a little strange to disagree with Sebastien's spelling, since he > > writes better English than anyone else on this list.... > > You misspelled my name intentionally, right? :-) Oh, errr ... yeah, intentionally. Heh, heh. So how 'bout those Mets? - --Chres ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:11:24 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bottom line On Wed, Sep 17, 2003, Christopher Gross wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > > It feels a little strange to disagree with Sebastien's spelling, since he > > > writes better English than anyone else on this list.... > > > > You misspelled my name intentionally, right? :-) > > Oh, errr ... yeah, intentionally. Heh, heh. So how 'bout those Mets? Mats. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:46:48 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: bottom line Ken earnestly scribbled: >On Wed, Sep 17, 2003, Christopher Gross wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> >> > > It feels a little strange to disagree with Sebastien's spelling, >since he >> > > writes better English than anyone else on this list.... >> > >> > You misspelled my name intentionally, right? :-) >> >> Oh, errr ... yeah, intentionally. Heh, heh. So how 'bout those Mets? > >Mats. Just don't misspell the name of the Oakland baseball team and you'll be fine. ;) - -- Cheers! - -g- "Soylens Viridis Homines Est" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:48:58 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bottom line On Wed, Sep 17, 2003, Glen Uber wrote: > Just don't misspell the name of the Oakland baseball team and you'll be > fine. ;) I can spell Raiders just fine, thanks. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:50:01 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: bottom line Ken earnestly scribbled: >On Wed, Sep 17, 2003, Glen Uber wrote: >> Just don't misspell the name of the Oakland baseball team and you'll be >> fine. ;) > >I can spell Raiders just fine, thanks. Ouch! - -- Cheers! - -g- "Soylens Viridis Homines Est" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap Zwan. We'll understand if you're too distraught to post for a few days, Rex. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18678 Pumpkins reunion pool will open within the week. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:07:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Excellent article http://www.atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2003-09-04/cover_news.html This also may be the first time I've heard Tall Dwarfs explicitly cited as an influence with this crowd...aha. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:27:34 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Excellent article Eb wrote: > > This also may be the first time I've heard Tall > Dwarfs explicitly > cited as an influence with this crowd...aha. Elf Power are massive TD fans. Their tour CD was called "Nothing's Going To Happen", and included a cover of that track. Oh, and a cover of "Listening to the Higsons". But ah, the Griffis article. Caused much fear & loathing in the NMH/E6 fanbase, since the author pretended to be a friend of St Jeff's when calling up Jeff Mangum's dad. Plus he says that Jeff is "wrong" about his own artistic vision, which is somewhat presumptious. Stewart - -- np: Marshmallow Coast - Classifieds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:25:36 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: Shooby >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Subject: reap (belated) > >Shooby Taylor. > >Some time back in June > > Stewart Damn, damn, damn. I guess I'm not surprised - having read a lengthy web-site journal about (Irwin Chusid's?) re-discovery of Shooby in the land of the living, I knew he wasn't in particularly good health, but somehow managed to not hear about his passing till now. Bad season for visionary musicians: Shooby, Wesley Willis, Warren Zevon, Johnny Cash. *sigh* d9 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Excellent article On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > But ah, the Griffis article. Caused much fear & loathing in the NMH/E6 > fanbase, since the author pretended to be a friend of St Jeff's when > calling up Jeff Mangum's dad. Plus he says that Jeff is "wrong" about > his own artistic vision, which is somewhat presumptious. Yes and no. I mean, I did feel a little icky reading the article, since its *climax* is the point where he finds Mangum and is told that he's invading the guy's privacy. But if Mangum said that his goal in making the album was to make Florida break off and sail away into the ocean, would it be presumptuous to call that misguided and talk about what the album actually achieves instead? Don't mind me, I never liked NMH that much anyway, except for a few isolated songs. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:43:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: reap >Zwan. We'll understand if you're too distraught to post for >a few days, Rex. > >http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18678 A book of POETRY? 2003 just keeps getting crueler. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: reap Eb wrote: > >Zwan. We'll understand if you're too distraught to post > for > >a few days, Rex. > > > >http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18678 > > A book of POETRY? 2003 just keeps getting crueler. It couldn't be any worse than Jewel's. Or Madonna's children's books. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:09:16 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Only Ones / Vanilla? >>The kind people have a wonderful dream. Who's on the guillotine? Rufus Wainwright. His new song really bugs the living bejeezus out of me but I keep getting it stuck in my head while driving around. Why don't you get your car stereo fixed, you ask? I dunno. I'm starting to view my lack of A/C and music in the car as a sort of penance for driving a car in the first place. >>What difference does it make? It now has flavor crystals. They may look like dandruff, but damn are they flavorful. >>Why Can't I Be You? You might be able to... I am not me, and sometime when I'm lonely, baby, then I'm only you. In fact, I'll tell you what we can be: you be me for a while, and I'll be you. Yeah, the Only Ones were great. You hear occasional rumors that Perrett has got it together enough to start recording again, but it never really happens. I had a vinyl best-of in the late '80's that differed from "Special View" in several respects (mostly it had stuff from the third LP on it)... so I was a little disappointed to get the CD of "Special View", and happy to pick up reissues of all three original albums for cheap the last time I was in London. I also remember when the Only Ones were being mistaken for the briefly successful what-the-hell band the Other Ones, best known for "We Are What We Are" and "Holiday", a song which I sometimes confused with the Screaming Blue Messiahs' "I Wanna Be a Flintstone" embarassingly because they both had bald guys in the videos and were kinda dumb songs. I was young. And... okay, I'm wracking my brain for for the derivation of "vanilla", but I'm not coming up with anything. Who wants to shed some light here? I promise no more cracks about amphibians! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:05:25 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Only Ones / Vanilla? Rex wrote: >I also remember when the Only Ones were being mistaken for the briefly >successful what-the-hell band the Other Ones, best known for "We Are What We >Are" and "Holiday", a song which I sometimes confused with the Screaming >Blue Messiahs' "I Wanna Be a Flintstone" embarassingly because they both had >bald guys in the videos and were kinda dumb songs. I was young. Didn't the SCM's also do a dumb video for "Jesus Chrysler Drives a Dodge"? I have the SCM cd that has that one, probably haven't played it in a dozen years. Michael NP Bangles Doll Revolution ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:07:30 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: Vanilla, anyone? Rex said: >>And... okay, I'm wracking my brain for for the derivation of "vanilla", but >>I'm not coming up with anything. Who wants to shed some light here? Wrack no more! "Vanilla" is from the Spanish word "vainilla," a diminuitive of "vaina," meaning "sheath" (from the shape of the pods enclosing the vanilla beans). And, get this, "vaina" is derived from the Latin "vagina", meaning sheath (though it was most likely referencing a split piece of wood acting as a sheath for a blade - feel free to go crazy contemplating the Freudian symbolism of that one!). Brought into common parlance in or around 1521 after it's discovery by soldiers commanded by Cortes on reconnaissance in southeastern Mexico. - -Catherine, your resident etymology freak ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:09:16 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: Stop the bootlegger On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Eb wrote: > >I think this is an uncool auction: > > > > > > > >If he were a "dedicated RH fan" he'd trade the tapes rather than sell > >them. I received one of those tapes from Scott Carter at A&M ("ROBYN'S > >A&R GUY FROM WARNER BROS" in the text) and he asked me not to sell them. > > > >Feel free to report a listing violation with eBay. > > It's strange how he chose to handle that. If he wanted to make money, > why not just sell multiple dubs of the tapes at a lesser price? No reason why he can't do both (Aside from moral reasons.) =b - -- "I'm afraid your sig file needs proofreading...." Christopher Gross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:12:28 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Stop the bootlegger Jesus. The tapes went for $335. At 12:09 PM 9/17/2003 -0700, bayard wrote: >On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Eb wrote: > > >I think this is an uncool auction: > > > > > > > > > > > >If he were a "dedicated RH fan" he'd trade the tapes rather than sell > > >them. I received one of those tapes from Scott Carter at A&M ("ROBYN'S > > >A&R GUY FROM WARNER BROS" in the text) and he asked me not to sell them. > > > > > >Feel free to report a listing violation with eBay. > > > > It's strange how he chose to handle that. If he wanted to make money, > > why not just sell multiple dubs of the tapes at a lesser price? > >No reason why he can't do both (Aside from moral reasons.) > > >=b > >-- >"I'm afraid your sig file needs proofreading...." Christopher Gross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:13:03 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Not to mention the War on Tara... James: >>again, never heard it pronounced any way other than as "Tah-ruh" (the >>original Irish way, ISTR - can't remember how it's pronounced in "Gone >>with the wind", which probably added to its popularity). In GWTW it was pronounced "Terra", or at least Stevie Nicks was able to rhyme it with "Sarah" in her goofy song about it. To my ears the traditional pronunciation of "Sarah" rhymes with "Terra" anyhow, but I've learned that people hear a wider range of differentiations in vowel sounds than I do, so YMMV. Possibly related to the "Terra" pronunciation is the fact that (at least in the US) so many people use the spelling "Sara" these days, and I never read that as "Sah-ruh". Must be largely an accent thing. It wasn't just the wife and I; we spent a few months checking with our other friends (Yanks all) to see if anyone had definitively solved the Tara/Terra riddle. JeFFrey: >>..Jeff, who wisely abstained from the bee/hornet/wasp/yellowjacket/ >>etc. discussion a few months back. All I know is, most of them are names of >>truly execrable musical acts. Hey, don't you at least dig the Bees who did "Voices Green and Purple"? Possibly execrable but definitely interesting. Carrie: >>And I never saw a Star Wars movie - for obvious reasons (to me) as they >>are not, to my knowledge, [--] bleak with a capital B. Dude, the Phantom Menace is pretty damned dire, although probably not in the way you mean. Certainly more depressing than your average Von Triers film or what have you, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:48:27 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Not to mention the War on Tara... At 01:13 PM 9/17/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >Possibly related to the "Terra" pronunciation is the fact that (at least in >the US) so many people use the spelling "Sara" these days, and I never read >that as "Sah-ruh". Must be largely an accent thing. It wasn't just the >wife and I; we spent a few months checking with our other friends (Yanks >all) to see if anyone had definitively solved the Tara/Terra riddle. My ex (a liberated Salopian) always said that Sara was pronounced s-AR-a whereas Sarah was s-AIR-a. To this day it confuses the Hell out of me when a Sara is actually a Sarah. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:48:29 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: bottom line Quoting Sebastian Hagedorn : > --On Mittwoch, 17. September 2003 10:32 Uhr -0400 Mike Hooker > wrote: > > > arrearages > > Cool, a new word to learn ... doesn't happen too often anymore. The last > > one was "chattle", as in "trespass to chattle". Legal terms are quite fun sometimes - the last one along these lines that gave me that "cool new word" feeling was the cool yet vaguely sinister "tortfeasor" (which should have been the title of the that enormous art-film-cycle hoohah Matthew Barney did...). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make np: Violeta de Outono - Woman on the Mountain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:50:40 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: bottom line Quoting Christopher Gross : > ps: I just received a junk email advertising "The World's Most Popular > Male Enhancement Program." Surely beer holds that title? It probably works that way too - I find it enhances females in my eyes. Along similar lines, there's the "expand your penis 1" to 3"" spams...hmm, I can think of way to do that, no medicine or surgery required! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:28:38 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Excellent article Quoting "Stewart C. Russell" : > But ah, the Griffis article. Caused much fear & loathing in the NMH/E6 > fanbase, since the author pretended to be a friend of St Jeff's when > calling up Jeff Mangum's dad. Plus he says that Jeff is "wrong" about his > own artistic vision, which is somewhat presumptious. My take on the article is at the URL below (Sept. 8 entry). - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:35:26 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Vanilla, anyone? Quoting Catherine Simpson : > Wrack no more! "Vanilla" is from the Spanish word "vainilla," a > diminuitive > of "vaina," meaning "sheath" (from the shape of the pods enclosing the > vanilla beans). And, get this, "vaina" is derived from the Latin > "vagina", > meaning sheath (though it was most likely referencing a split piece of > wood > acting as a sheath for a blade - feel free to go crazy contemplating the > Freudian symbolism of that one!). That's the derivation I was alluding to - although the source I'd read recently (which is in the basement, and I forget what it was) had it as more direct than that: the pod apparently reminded the Spanish directly of the female genitalia. And then there's "avocado" - I'll tell ya, those Spaniards... > -Catherine, your resident etymology freak But not the only one... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:47:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Vanilla, anyone? Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > And then there's "avocado" - I'll tell > ya, those Spaniards... What, lizard balls or something? ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:02:48 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Vanilla, anyone? Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > And then there's "avocado" - I'll tell > > ya, those Spaniards... > > What, lizard balls or something? Sort of a rude pun: "avocado" is apparently older Spanish for "lawyer," which is pretty close to the Nahuatl name for the vegie, "ahuacatl" - which meant, more or less, "balls." ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make np: EC & the A _GH!!_2 - being the fourth version of said title I've bought... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:32 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Excellent article Aaron Mandel wrote: > > But if Mangum said that his goal in making the > album was to make Florida break off and sail away into the ocean, would it > be presumptuous to call that misguided and talk about what the album > actually achieves instead? No, I think that Jeff Norman put it better than me: "Griffis wants to deny Mangum's ownership of his own story, to assert that the powerful place Mangum's music holds in his own life and in those of others overrides Mangum's reticence." Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #349 ********************************