From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #347 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, September 15 2003 Volume 12 : Number 347 Today's Subjects: ----------------- reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Is that a medusa on your cover or are you just etc. etc. [Jeffrey wit] RE: your mail [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: oh Ghod - it just goes on and on! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: your mail [gshell@metronet.com] Re: Pay the butcher or keep your hands off the meat [gshell@metronet.com] RE: your mail [Eb ] Dwarfbeat / Meganmania ["Rex.Broome" ] once more into the breech, etc. ["ross taylor" ] Turntable Help! ["ross taylor" ] Re: Turntable Help! [Ken Weingold ] RE: your mail [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Robyn cover [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Upcoming REAP? ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap Yetunde Price, the eldest sister and personal assistant to tennis stars Venus and Serena Williams, was fatally shot early Sunday, a publicist for Serena Williams told CNN. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:25:39 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Is that a medusa on your cover or are you just etc. etc. Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > octopus. On the other hand I'm surprised none of us wiseasses claimed > every > Jellyfish album as having a medusa on the cover, if only in written > form. That first Jellyfish album has one of the most suckass (and misleading) covers ever - I thought they were some dumbass fratboy clone-Luke Warm Chili Poppers act based on that cover. We have wiseasses on this list? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them :: --TV's Frank np: Elf Power The Winter Is Coming ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:57:20 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: your mail Quoting FSThomas : > let it be bandied around for years, and come up with the most distilled > down name you can think of (the Washington Vanilla, for example) Yes, but given the etymology of "vanilla," I'm sure *someone* might be offended... My two cents: while there are surely more important things than offensive team names, what I simply don't get is why people are offended when someone suggests the name offends. It's *not* hypothetical that it offends some people, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it. (No one has complained about the Cleveland Browns, for example - who, I thought, were named after coach Paul Brown anyway). What's the investment in keeping a name that offends someone? Just "tradition"? Okay...but surely in the battle of sentiment, attachment to tradition is a lamer card to play than offense at trivialization and denigration. And whoever noted that one effect of "Indian" names is to mythologize Indians: that's correct. The apparent exceptions, which name people or classes thereof, either *do* refer to folkloric or totemic notions of people (49ers, Texans, Cowboys, etc.) or refer really to industries characterizing the area (Packers, Steelers, Oilers, for instance) rather than to particular people. The closest parallel to "Indian" names would be the Celtics, I suppose - and if a group if Irish or other Celts complained, they probably should change their name (or at least their typical white-preferring style...but that's another issue). Actually, even that isn't right - because the Irish have been accepted and assimilated in ways that Indians haven't been, in that no one except the most rearguard Britophile or crank gives a rat's ass if someone's Irish or not, in terms of present discrimination. The same is, quite obviously, not the case with Native Americans. So this sort of objectification rankles, in that it recalls active discrimation in a way that is extremely unlikely for, say, an Irish-American seeing the Celtics on TV. Again, though: what exactly are opponents of what they call "P.C." language really opposed to? I mean, why *not* call groups of people (or an individual of a group) what they want to be called? Why insist on naming them yourself? What's the point? ..Jeff, Limey Kraut J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ np: Sun Kil Moon _Ghosts of the Great Highway_ (advance: Mark Kozelek's new project) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:56:04 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: oh Ghod - it just goes on and on! Quoting James Dignan : > Favorite playground game: eyeing little girls with bad intent > > Favorite Star Wars line: "I know." > > First album ever owned: By "owned" I take it you mean "purchased," rather than "given to as gift"? I think that would be _In the Year 2525_ by Zager & Evans - unless that's too embarrassing, in which case it'd be _Billion Dollar Babies_ by Alice Cooper. > Celebrities you look like: When I was younger and my hair was longer, a few people said Eric Clapton (circa his putting "Layla" to sleep) but I never saw that. Someone said I sorta look like Harvey Fierstein, which, judging from the photo at imdb.com, is accurate as to presence of glasses (wrong shape though), shortish graying hair, and facial hair (although I have a neatly trimmed full beard rather than the goatee-ish thing) but not in much else at all. > Favorite joke: (a) An Irishman, a rabbi, a Norwegian, and a mime walk into a bar. Bartender says, "What is this - some sort of joke?" - (b) the same "eats shoots and leaves" joke Rick...I mean, Rex...mentioned - (c) an interminable, two-part joke: first is a seemingly pointless and incomprehensible story about a brick (while telling it, act as if it makes perfect sense and is inutterably hilarious, although it's neither). Then (preferably, like, three hours later), a dumb joke (variation on little old lady/irritating small dog/cigar-smoking guy on train; woman asks guy to refrain from smoking, he refuses, she angers and tosses cigar out window; he retaliates by tossing dog out window; lady in tears, man chastened; then..) that ends, "And then, an hour later, at the station, looking a bit the worse for wear but otherwise fine, here's the little dog! And you wouldn't believe what it was carrying in its mouth!" - which everyone expects, rather boringly, is the guy's cigar...but no: the correct answer is: "A brick!" This is why no one ever asks me to tell a joke again. > How do you think you will die: Well, almost surely not at my computer composing a message to Fegma...aaaaarrrgghhhhhh... > Favorite literary device: arrogance > Favorite element: "what's brown and sounds like a bell? Dung!" Oh wait - that's not an element. > Favorite Ninja Turtle: Yurtoru Turtoru > Favorite thing your mom threw away without asking: There's something, but I must have repressed it. > Conan O'Brien or Craig Kilborn? I don't watch either more than once a year when someone interesting musically is on - but since Kilborn makes me actively dislike him, I guess the answer's O'Brien. > The one musical act whose popularity you just don't "get": They are legion...but let's say that, as a college teacher, I don't guy why seemingly every college student loves the Dave Matthews Band and/or Phish. > Do you like it when I do that? Yeah, but sharpen it more next time. > Last hat you wore: Camping last weekend, something Rose got from some job or other, saying "Fair Park Group" in maroon on tan body, ballcap-style. Not normally a hat-wearer, but the alternative would have been my hair becoming increasingly frightening due to non-washing. > Ax(es): blooded, out behind the woodshed. Oh...I have a crappy old no-name acoustic, and I also have a Yamaha GGX-202 keyboard. > Able to sleep on airplanes: Well, if it was on the ground, and I had a mattress, and it were secured to the wing, I suppose I could, yes. > Habitual jewelry: One earcuff (right ear), in lieu of wedding ring, since Rose can't wear most metal on her skin (except her own gold earcuff). We didn't actually buy them for the wedding - weren't planning on doing anything in the way of exchanging symbolically expensive chunks of metal - but sort of decided on this when the judge seemed nonplussed at the lack of said metals. I'm an inveterate watch non-wearer. > Favorite curry: Can't be specific here, although I do like them generally. > Earliest childhood bedspread you can recall: Can't, sorry. > Last living reptile encountered: Small brown frog at campsite implied above: I thought at first it was a small stone and idly kicked it, only to see it hop away. I didn't hurt it - but I did apologize to it for having mistaken it for a stone and kicking it. It stood up and flipped me off, I swear. No, Tommy Chong had not quickly dropped his stash on our campfire earlier that evening. > Siblings and your place among them: Three (two sisters in the middle, youngest brother), oldest > In old cartoons and stuff whenever the parent is about to spank the kid > he > always says "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you"... how does > he > figure? He's just being a PC pantywaist. > Grandparents' first names: Walter and Virginia; Robert and Mildred > Thumb: green/black/other? No/no/stuck up my ass while everyone else does all the work > Good friend you wish you'd done it with at least once but never did, and > where are they now? Best example among several would have to be a woman named Julie. Met her when she worked at a donut shop near where I used to live, which caused me to gain a bit of weight looking for an excuse to talk to her. We got to know each other pretty well, and the feeling was definitely mutual, and one quite wondrous afternoon on the grounds of the art museum, had the sun and the public quickly disappeared, things might have actually happened. They didn't, though, for many reasons (chief among which being that I was involved with someone else at the time and didn't seriously pursue this one). > Snack food you're pissed off they don't make any more: Chaucer Chyppes ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:12:56 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: RE: your mail On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > My two cents: while there are surely more important things than offensive > team names, what I simply don't get is why people are offended when someone > suggests the name offends. who was offended when it was suggested that a particular list of team names was offensive? one person made a statement that i did not feel carried enough merit. i replied with reasons i believed they were mistaken. > It's *not* hypothetical that it offends some people, otherwise we > wouldn't be talking about it. it's also not hypothetical that it does not offend most people, otherwise it wouldn't still be used as a team name. it is also not hypothetical that it's use is not intended to offend or deride anyone. > about the Cleveland Browns, for example - who, I thought, were named after > coach Paul Brown anyway). What's the investment in keeping a name that > offends someone? what's the investment in trying to keep everyone from being offended? > And whoever noted that one effect of "Indian" names is to mythologize > Indians: that's correct. The apparent exceptions, which name people or > classes thereof, either *do* refer to folkloric or totemic notions of people > (49ers, Texans, Cowboys, etc.) yet 49ers are anything but totemic. prospecting is not considered a wise career choice, even by the vast majority of those who have tried it. > Actually, even that isn't right - because the Irish have been accepted and > assimilated in ways that Indians haven't been, only the uncatholic irish. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:29:46 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: your mail Oh, you're so right. I think that was a weaker part of my argument. But I will say that if there are any 49ers or Vikings or Trailblazers around who feel that these names are demeaning to them I'm all ears. Do you know some? Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: gshell@metronet.com [mailto:gshell@metronet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:58 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: your mail On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Iosso, Ken wrote: > The subtler problem with even names like '"Braves" or "Indians" is that they > imply that either the Indian is an animal akin to other sports names - You mean, like Vikings, Yankees, Cowboys, Texans, Packers, Trail Blazers, Oilers etc...? Yeah, you must be right. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:52:32 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: RE: your mail sorry about that last line. i did not mean for it to sound the way it did. i did remove it from the resend, but it looks like both made it. if i ever send more than one reply, always use the one that is the least personally offensive, unless I include something that is also offensive to any entire group. that usually makes it a toss up because they probably deserve it. gSs On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Iosso, Ken wrote: > Oh, you're so right. I think that was a weaker part of my argument. But I > will say that if there are any 49ers or Vikings or Trailblazers around who > feel that these names are demeaning to them I'm all ears. Do you know some? > > You mean, like Vikings, Yankees, Cowboys, Texans, Packers, Trail Blazers, > Oilers etc...? Yeah, you must be right. > > > gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:04:35 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: Pay the butcher or keep your hands off the meat On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com wrote: > > > The subtler problem with even names like '"Braves" or "Indians" is that > > > they imply that either the Indian is an animal akin to other sports > > > names - > > > You mean, like Vikings, Yankees, Cowboys, Texans, Packers, TrailBlazers, > > Oilers, 49ers etc...? > > > > gSs > > Some of you really still don't get the point do you? apprently not as far as you are concerned. but then, should that even be a concern of ours? it is in fact the pointlessness of your concerns that we understand. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:10:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: your mail > > My two cents: while there are surely more important things than offensive >> team names, what I simply don't get is why people are offended when someone >> suggests the name offends. > >who was offended when it was suggested that a particular list of team >names was offensive? I'm offended by posts with the subject line "your mail." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:29:30 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Dwarfbeat / Meganmania Jeff D: >>weirdest coincidence in a single shopping trip: Mentioned before: buying Helium's No Guitars EP (new) and House of Love's S/T album (used) the same day only to realize when I got home that their covers were incredibly similar (top view of butterfly). >>Who do you think killed JFK? Mick Jagger and me. He confessed on our behalf, despite shouting out about it. >>Favorite sports team: I've mostly held on to the Lakers since that's who we rooted for in West Virginia and I now live in LA. >>Childhood athletic idol: Jim "Hot Rod" Broome ________ James: >>I was surprised to hear there were other pronunciations than MEEgun. >>It's the only one you regularly hear here (I think I once heard MEGGun, >>but that's a distinct rarity) Innaresting. So famous Megans from other regions would be called Meegan as well? Can't think of many right now, but actresses Megan Mullaly and Megyn Price are definitely not Meeg's. The name that's thrown me and the wife in recent years is "Tara". One of our British friends started dating and eventually married a Tara, and he pronounced her name "Tah-ruh", but we didn't know for some time if it might not actually be pronounced as in "Terra" (cf. acrtress Tara Reid, I think). Accent aside, he had it right, it seems. Among my work contacts are two Taras, each favoring differing pronunciations, although we're starting to suspect the one who says "Terra" might spell it that way too. - -Rex Eb: >>3. "lovebugs" -- Check the car grill. I apparently picked one of just >>few weeks out of the year when the air is filled with "love bugs," In Florida there's always swarms of something. Went there for my brother's wedding in '99 and spent some time driving around with the wife and some mix tapes which included "Buggin'" by Flaming Lips, at the time only on the Austin Powers soundtrack, and it really connected. Hadn't been into the Lips before that but picked up "Soft Bulletin" immediately upon returning. _____ Jon "Jet Propulsion" Lewis: >> Nice to see that a lot of people bought the Mimi Goese album. I had never >>heard of it before I saw it used-- in fact, I thought she'd had to permanently >>retire because of "nodes" in her throat or something. Oooh, threadmerge: she was on Moby's album "Everything Is Wrong", which I think predates "Soak". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:26:21 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: once more into the breech, etc. Favorite playground game: pretending a swing was a Mercury 7 capsule Favorite Star Wars line: "Nnyyarngaoyn!" (Chewy) First album ever owned: Procol Harum - Shine On Brightly, & Stones - Beggars Banquet (a two- albums for $6 deal) Celebrities you look like: Benjamin Franklin. Or maybe two or three Iggy Pops rammed together side by side Favorite joke: But Officer, I'm Pastor Fuzz! Favorite literary device: foreshadowing -- it *always* gives me chills. How do you think you will die: Something I forgot to take care of. Favorite element: the one in lightbulbs Favorite Ninja Turtle: that chick was cute Favorite thing your mom threw away without asking: a lid of mine she discovered. Conan O'Brien or Craig Kilborn? I'll go it alone The one musical act whose popularity you just don't "get": Elvis Presley. Do you like it when I do that? Hey! Well, do YOU like it when I do THIS? Last hat you wore: Silly fedora, in an attempt to be a true blue member of a swing band. Ax(es): cheap Peavy Bass, barely functional Hagstrom electric & a relatively cheap custom acoustic -- it's by someone you never heard of, but it's new & it's the light of my life. Maybe I'll call it Suzie. Able to sleep on airplanes: Only w/ loud music blaring in the headphones. Habitual jewelry: used to wear punk buttons a lot. Favorite curry: yeah, I'll have some of that. Earliest childhood bedspread you can recall: I think it had hot air balloons on it. But I remember the knot-holes in the wood of my crib. Once when I was sleeping, one of them turned into a giant bee and stung me. Last living reptile encountered: A skink on a rock by a pool in Tennesse. Didn't try to catch it because I hate the way their tails break off as a decoy. Siblings and your place among them: youngest of two; dreamed about my dead sister last nite. Sexual orientation and number of times you've strayed from it: Straight; naw. In old cartoons and stuff whenever the parent is about to spank the kid he always says "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you"... how does he figure? He's teaching the kid complexity. Grandparents' first names: Hillsman & Amanda on the toney side; Fred & Jenny on the country side. Thumb: totally. Good friend you wish you'd done it with at least once but never did, and where are they now? Wendy, in 5th grade. I keep checking Google. Mothers maiden name: Hoolihan Town where I was born: Chagrin Falls, OH Last four digits of credit card: can't remember Three digit "check number" from back of credit card: have to look it up [JUST kidding! Please no one supply credit card info! You can't afford the mysterious purchases in Los Angeles! Little joke! Ha! Ha!] Snack food you're pissed off they don't make any more: no food, but there was a poisonous green salve you could put on bug bites called Surfadil, and it really worked. weirdest coincidence in a single shopping trip:I found a parking place. Who do you think killed JFK? When after all, it was you an' me. Favorite sports team: n/a Childhood athletic idol: n/a Ross Taylor "and here I sit so patiently, trying to find out what price you have to pay to get out of going thru all these things twice" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:40:47 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Turntable Help! Max & Ken-- On Sat, Sep 13, 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > I got a new amplifier and it has one drawback. I realized that it does not > have a phono input. I put it into the Aux. connection and it is week. > Does anyone know where I can get a booster/amp for it? I need to play my > 45's! >You need a phono preamp for it. I have a Recoton one that I got so I >can run the turntable into my computer. Works fine. I think it was >$20 at J&R. This can be a huge disappointment in a sound system. I'm thinking of reviving our old busted CD player (yes, it's in the basment) because it did such a great job w/ the turntable. Doug Mayo-Wells clued me in that the more a phono preamp feels like a lead brick, the better it works. I got a Recoton & it didn't really do enuf for me, but I can't remember what the next one I got was (about $80 -- I can check when I get home). LPs are still a lot softer than CDs on our system, whereas before it was a little bit the reverse. I listened to both vol. 1 & 2 of the Golden Hour of the Kinks (mono!) over the weekend, & I had the system turned up to it's equivalent of "10" but the songs still sounded like they were coming from the far end of the Time Tunnel -- on headphones. The speakers work better, but it's a cheap Sony all-in-one box anyway. Ross "whoa-whoa-whoa -- sittin' on my sofa" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:51:09 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Turntable Help! On Mon, Sep 15, 2003, ross taylor wrote: > >You need a phono preamp for it. I have a Recoton one that I got so > >I can run the turntable into my computer. Works fine. I think it > >was $20 at J&R. > > > This can be a huge disappointment in a sound system. I'm thinking > of reviving our old busted CD player (yes, it's in the basment) > because it did such a great job w/ the turntable. My Denon receive has a phono input, so it's fine. I used to run its output to the computer, but they are too far away from each other in my current apartment, so I had to get the preamp. This is for transfering vinyl to the computer for CD or the iPod. Things seem to sound fine, but the volume is definitely lower from vinyl than from direct digital imports. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:20:53 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: your mail Quoting gshell@metronet.com: > what's the investment in trying to keep everyone from being offended? That's not the issue: there's *known offense* here which you're trying to hold on to. I'm saying: what the hell for? > > And whoever noted that one effect of "Indian" names is to mythologize > > Indians: that's correct. The apparent exceptions, which name people or > > classes thereof, either *do* refer to folkloric or totemic notions of > people > > (49ers, Texans, Cowboys, etc.) > > yet 49ers are anything but totemic. prospecting is not considered a wise > career choice, even by the vast majority of those who have tried it. Which only proves you don't know what "totemic" means. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:48:17 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Robyn cover On their forthcoming covers collection Songs We Should Have Written, Firewater covers "I Often Dream of Trains." The one-sheet has this to say (from bandleader Tod A): "Since his days with his first band, the Soft Boys, Mr. Hitchcock has remained one of my heroes, as well as one of the most criminally underrated songwriters of his generation. I had the honor of meeting him - at a Cop Shoot Cop show in DC, of all places. He had been dragged there - against his better judgement - by his daughter, apparently. But he was very polite. It was one of the big highlights of my life to date. Not sure it was for him." ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: capitalism is the socialism of the rich :: np: my keyboard, puzzling over the similarity of this Yes bit to the "Rockford Files" theme... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:58:10 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Upcoming REAP? http://www.bottomlinecabaret.com/ Great timing, if It happens I hope it's after Halloween. Ken do you have any word on this? Max _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #347 ********************************