From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #343 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 12 2003 Volume 12 : Number 343 Today's Subjects: ----------------- team names [Christopher Gross ] Re: Dr Who, and Hell freezes over [Groove Puppy ] Re: team names [Aaron Mandel ] Re: team names [FSThomas ] RE: your mail ["Iosso, Ken" ] Re: team names [Aaron Mandel ] Re: team names [FSThomas ] RE: Dr Who, and Hell freezes over and 1982 ["Bachman, Michael" ] that's funny [Barbara Soutar ] Is that a medusa on your cover or are you just etc. etc. ["Rex.Broome" ] Move yourself ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Move yourself ["Glen Uber" ] R.E.M./Wilco & the Sex Pistols ["Marc Holden" ] r.i.p john ritter ["* randi/twofangs.productions *" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:14:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: team names I definitely agree that Redskins is an offensive name and should be changed. But that won't stop me from quibbling with the people I agree with.... > I just had to respond to this. I have to agree that Washington Redskins is > offensive - not the least because Washington is the capital of the country > that slaughtered native Americans in every conceivable way and swindled them > out of their land. So it would be less offensive if they were the Albany Redskins or the Ft. Lauderdale Redskins? > The subtler problem with even names like '"Braves" or "Indians" is that they > imply that either the Indian is an animal akin to other sports names - > Jaguars, Bengals, Tigers, Falcons or a mythical group that no longer exists > like the Celtics or the Knickerbockers. I believe Celtic people still exist, and they certainly weren't mythical. Where do the Houston Texans fit in this scheme? Other non-mythical humans in current or past team names: Cowboys, Yankees, Oilers, Patriots, 49ers, 76ers, Buccaneers, Athletics, Senators, Steelers (ie steelmakers), Vikings, Packers, Padres, Pirates, Cavaliers, Warriors, Rangers, les Canadiens, Kings, Metropolitans. Of course some of these names refer to peole who no longer exist (Vikings were a profession, not a nation), but none were mythical. What others are there? My high school's teams were the Spartans, and George Washington University's teams are the Colonials (though the Cultural Studies Department refers to them as Colonialists). I'm talking about sports! Hee hee hee! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Groove Puppy Subject: Re: Dr Who, and Hell freezes over JeffD sed > The only reunions yet to occur are Joy Division, The > Jimi Hendrix Experience, and Nirvana. While their > singers are somewhat inconveniently unavailable, it > should be pointed out that didn't, of course, stop > The Doors. OK, caveats first. Not a big fan, think he's a bit of a whining tosspot, would have to be behind a screen to avoid seeing his ugly mug. Joy Division reunion with Moby as lead singer. If you've heard the tribute CD "A Means To An End" you'll know what I mean. (H) ===== CHUCKHOLE All that great punk rock taste with only half the calories. http://clix.to/chuckhole http://www.mp3.com/chuckhole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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This is all covered quite thoroughly in Atom And His Package's "If You Own The Washington Redskins, You're A Cock": http://www.atomandhispackage.com/mp3s/redskins.mp3 a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:47:47 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: team names At 04:37 PM 9/11/2003 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Christopher Gross wrote: > >This is all covered quite thoroughly in Atom And His Package's "If You Own >The Washington Redskins, You're A Cock": I *would* have to say, "Wah, wah, wah, you're so PC," as a matter of fact. There's such a thing as hypersensitivity and, in this case, it's getting out of hand. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:04:15 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: your mail FSThomas: >Here in Minnesota there are a lot of Native >Americans and they may be comfortable being called Indians, but I don't know >any who are comfortable with the term "redskin." >That's exactly the point. You *don't* know how many would be/are offended. Hmm...So because every native American I know finds the word redskin offensive and I don't know any who are comfortable with it I should assume some are? That's not even remotely logical. The simple point I made was it's not what the person using the term thinks that matters - it's what the person who the term refers to thinks that matters. Not complicated. Not difficult. Simple respect. When you say wop or dago, you may think of a clever swarthy person who makes a mean primavera sauce, but I think you're insulting me. And I'm not being hypersensitive. Ken Iosso - -----Original Message----- From: FSThomas [mailto:ferris@ochremedia.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:23 PM To: Oppressive Udders Subject: RE: your mail [Note: I know I shouldn't respond to this thread, but, like driving past a vicious car wreck, I feel compelled to have a look.] From a different (but equally valid) soapbox: >Here in Minnesota there are a lot of Native >Americans and they may be comfortable being called Indians, but I don't know >any who are comfortable with the term "redskin." That's exactly the point. You *don't* know how many would be/are offended. With some level of certainty I could say that the majority of Americans (the Amercians you stop on the street corner, not the ones who fully throw themselves into the hobby of weekend agitators) couldn't give a toss if the Washington football team was called the Redskins or not, with the exception of the fact that they've been the Redskins for seventy years. (The franchise was founded in '32 in Boston, Massachusetts, as the Boston Braves. In 1933 the team was moved to Fenway Park and changed the team name to the Redskins.) Does seventy years of an offensive name suddenly make it all right? No. Is there a statute of limitations where a racial slur/derogatory term suddenly fall into the mainstream and lose its stigma? No. It's just plainly not that offensive a name, IMHO. It calls to mind a dark, solid warrior image. One to be reveared. Feared, even. If they were the D.C. Moonshine Mohicans, I could see where someone might be offended. Might. >The subtler problem with even names like '"Braves" or "Indians" is that they >imply that either the Indian is an animal akin to other sports names - >Jaguars, Bengals, Tigers, Falcons or a mythical group that no longer exists >like the Celtics or the Knickerbockers. Native Americans are real people, >not mascots or animals. To your argument of a sort of "animalization" of Native Americans (when we stack teams like the Braves & Indians against the Jaguars and the Colts) I would futher ask if there's a colorization of all animal-based teams in light of the Cleveland Browns? > > The term "redskin" is as offensive to Native Americans as "nigger" is to > > blacks. As with all if this: conjecture. >Should we have teams called the San Francisco Slant-Eyes, the El > > Paso Wetbacks, and the Los Angeles Chinks, too? Maybe Boston could field > > a team called the Mickeys, New Jersey could field a team called the Wops > > and Detroit could have a team called the Ragheads. I vote for the Connecticut WASPS, personally. >what a surprise that must be to some to know that racism was still >prevalant so far north. While Atlanta is an integrated city, go a bit out of the city limits and enlightenment deteriorates pretty damned quickly. There is, however, still a fair amount of racial bias in Connecticut. >i don't think the team name was created to offend anyone, but that fact >that it does offend a few and not the majority should also be considered. Pandering. There's an adage you may have heard: "You can't please all the people all the time." The level of sensitivity that some would demand is just getting foolishly out of hand. The idea could be put to debate in DC, let it be bandied around for years, and come up with the most distilled down name you can think of (the Washington Vanilla, for example) and some action group somewhere will fight you on it because it's offensive to them. It's frankly not worth the trouble. Or the money. At all. Should Green Bay rename their team because the "Packers" offend vegetarians? What about the Syracuse Orangemen? They'd best change *that* name. We wouldn't want to offend any Irish Republican. > > I think the "Tomahawk Chop" > > is offensive to the nth degree. A staple of the Atlanta Braves! (Who I'll be seeing tonight vs. the Phillies.) - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:15:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: team names On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, FSThomas wrote: > I *would* have to say, "Wah, wah, wah, you're so PC," as a matter of > fact. There's such a thing as hypersensitivity and, in this case, it's > getting out of hand. But, as I think the song points out, the real wellspring of sensitivity seems to belong to people who see mind-police around every corner and are bothered by the fact that their favorite professional sports franchise might change its name... not its players, not its strategy, not its standing in the league, just its name. I mean, are these the same people that objected when Jefferson Airplane changed their name to Jefferson Starship? a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:17:36 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: team names At 05:15 PM 9/11/2003 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, FSThomas wrote: > >are these the same people >that objected when Jefferson Airplane changed their name to Jefferson >Starship? Only when they started to suck did the bitching start. By then it was too late. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:30:59 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Dr Who, and Hell freezes over and 1982 - - JeffD sed > The only reunions yet to occur are Joy Division, The > Jimi Hendrix Experience, and Nirvana. While their > singers are somewhat inconveniently unavailable, it > should be pointed out that didn't, of course, stop > The Doors. I would like to see the original Gang of Four get back together (not the Mal era Gang of Two) and Au Pairs get back together and do a double bill tour. Staccato guitar heaven. Michael NP Born To Choose PS Thanks to this list for mentioning BTC and the Matthew Sweet cover of She, Said, She Said included in it. I am glad I got it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:39:52 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Making the feg Uberquestions: Favorite playground game: Making the weird laser-sounding noise by striking the aluminum bleachers. Favorite Star Wars line: Stormtrooper #1: Hey, did you that new T-61? Stormtrooper #2: Yeah, some of the other guys were talking about that. They said it's... quite a thing to see. First album ever owned: Probably, coincidentally, the score to Star Wars. Celebrities you look like: Hey, I dispensed with the i.a. facial hair this morning, so it's back to looking sort of like Gram Parsons for me. Favorite joke: The one about the panda who eats shoots and leaves. Or one of the many West Viriginia jokes I have at my disposal to discourage anyone else from even thinking about it. Or my friend Simon's classic, "Why did the old lady fall down after crossing the road? Because she was DEAD." How do you think you will die: Helluva question for 9/11. I did recently dream that me and my whole family were nuked out of existence... I almost actually died in the dream and woke up really, really freaked out. Favorite literary device: Printing press. Favorite element: Zinc, because, how cool is that? Starts with z, ends with c. Nice color for a pear. Favorite Ninja Turtle: Raphael. Although their human female buddy was kinda hot. In the comics, anyway. Favorite thing your mom threw away without asking: The box with the accessories & weapons for all my action figures. She retained the action figures themselves, but now they have to wrestle, I guess, or just learn to get along. Conan O'Brien or Craig Kilborn? Rarely up that late and if I am I ain't watchin' no TV. The one musical act whose popularity you just don't "get": "The one?" You did know I was one of the people who'd have to answer this question, right? Guess I'll go with my old standby answer, Ye Olde Smashing Pumpkins, although I finally heard that John Mayer guy yesterday and I couldn't quite suss that one out, either. Do you like it when I do that? Not while it's happening, but in hindsight I can't think of why I was so uptight about it. ___ And just a few more... Last hat you wore: baseball cap with embroidered Cartman on it... swag from the studio back when the movie came out. Ax(es): '76 (or so) Fender Tele Deluxe; mid-'80's Rickenbacker 330 (blonde w/black hardware); '88 Rickenbacker 610 12-string; Sigma acoustic (recent model, Dreadnaught with cutaway and pickups); fairly thrashed but way-loud Epiphone 12-string acoustic, Hyundai bass guitar (all of the above either black or blonde (unlike my women)), Washburn 5-string banjo, a few other odds & ends. Soon to receive my dad's old Harmony tenor guitar, which apparently was the first guitar he ever owned. Able to sleep on airplanes: Rarely, never without regretting it. Habitual jewelry: wedding ring, small metallic fish necklace given to me by wife and much beloved by both daughters. Favorite curry: been stuck on makhti for a while, but normally super-fire-hot vindaloo. Earliest childhood bedspread you can recall: I think that'd be Star Wars yet again, but I vaguely remember something before that involving balloons. Last living reptile encountered: Tiny lizard in my kitchen (moved him to the hedge). Siblings and your place among them: first of two brothers Sexual orientation and number of times you've strayed from it: Straight, zero. In old cartoons and stuff whenever the parent is about to spank the kid he always says "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you"... how does he figure? I dunno... maybe his hat is really uncomfortable or he's having a nic-fit. Grandparents' first names: Jim and Nancy, Donah and Esther Thumb: green/black/other? Not especially botanically talented but haven't really ever put in the effort. Good friend you wish you'd done it with at least once but never did, and where are they now? There are a few, but right now I'm in kind of a "former Kayte Fawcett" mood. She currently lives in Madison, WI and has the same number of kids as me. Snack food you're pissed off they don't make any more: Taco-flavored Doritos. First they ruined the flavor and stuck a Taco Bell logo on 'em, and them they took them away forever. The new varieties Dorito flavors blow (guacamole my ass). Several years back at a Quick-E-Mart off of Route 5 in CenCal I discovered a Dorito's knockoff brand, Tom's, that still makes a fair facsimile of the old, old Taco flavor, but I've never seen it anywhere else. _______ Oh, and Glen, I just got Disney's The Chilling Thrilling Sounds of the Haunted House about six years ago, I think. I have a digitized copy of it now. You are a bold and courageous person, afaiiiid of nothing! - -Rex np. somewhere in this room: "Owner of a Loney Heart" which I had almost completely forgotten how the verses sound until just now... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:29:40 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: that's funny James said: "Should I await the new McCartney/Ono album?" I'm just reading about the Beatles (finally) and this struck me as quite witty. and he also said: "If I want lime green summer socks, or orange, or yellow, I have to find some of the lightest coloured ones I can and hand dye them." This is how I will picture you from now on... Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:10:06 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Is that a medusa on your cover or are you just etc. etc. James: >>I mentioned a Ween album which has both feggy lyrics and, I'm pretty sure, >>a Medusa on the cover. Could be wrong, though. Anyone confirm/deny? I couldn't tell what the hell that was on the cover, but I was looking at a pretty small image. It's kind of a multi-beast, huh? Looks like the very bottom part might be a jellyfish but the tentacles appear straight-up octopus. On the other hand I'm surprised none of us wiseasses claimed every Jellyfish album as having a medusa on the cover, if only in written form. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:29:10 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: socks, astronomers, and beer >>Latest pet peeve: > >now there's a question I forgot to answer! The fact that, in light coloured >socks for men ambiguity rules! I meant "light-weight, coloured..." >I can think of other songs that refer to astronomers but no others about a >specific one. Microdisney's "Patrick Moore Says you can't sleep here". The Indigo Girls' "Galileo"? Fascist? Didn't expect that. Workaholic, yes. Xylophonist extraordinaire, yes (hence the cartoon). But fascist...? >Beer - I like trying new ones. Some favorites are Double Diamond, ah. One of the few I really like. Very yeasty. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:13:13 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Free Tommy Chong!! What a travesty.... http://apnews.myway.com//article/20030911/D7TGD89G0.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:18:29 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Move yourself Rex.Broome queried: >Last hat you wore: baseball cap with embroidered Cartman on it... swag from >the studio back when the movie came out. My ESPN cap with the ESPN logo on a football. A gift from my friend Nathan...swag from when he worked for AT&T Cable. >Ax(es): '76 (or so) Fender Tele Deluxe; mid-'80's Rickenbacker 330 (blonde >w/black hardware); '88 Rickenbacker 610 12-string; Sigma acoustic (recent >model, Dreadnaught with cutaway and pickups); fairly thrashed but way-loud >Epiphone 12-string acoustic, Hyundai bass guitar (all of the above either >black or blonde (unlike my women)), Washburn 5-string banjo, a few other >odds & ends. Soon to receive my dad's old Harmony tenor guitar, which >apparently was the first guitar he ever owned. 1959 Fender Telecaster, blonde, completely stock, named "Marilyn"; late 90's Pink Paisley Strat, soon to have its action raised and a stacked humbucker added in the bridge position, named "Syd"; 2002 Kona acoustic guitar, as-yet unnamed; Late 80s Tanara bass guitar, named "Guano"; Rhodes MD-80 Digital Piano; Kawai K1 synth; a couple Hohner harmonicas; a Crate bass amp for the bass and keyboards and a white 1960 Fender Tremolux amp with 2 x 10 speaker cabinet for the guitars. >Able to sleep on airplanes: Rarely, never without regretting it. I can sleep anywhere. >Habitual jewelry: wedding ring, small metallic fish necklace given to me by >wife and much beloved by both daughters. Wedding ring. Not a big fan of jewelry. >Favorite curry: been stuck on makhti for a while, but normally >super-fire-hot vindaloo. Tim. >Earliest childhood bedspread you can recall: I think that'd be Star Wars >yet again, but I vaguely remember something before that involving balloons. This little brown patchwork quilt my great grandma Barnett made for me. >Last living reptile encountered: Tiny lizard in my kitchen (moved him to >the hedge). My friend Nathan's leopard gecko. >Siblings and your place among them: first of two brothers First of two boys. >Sexual orientation and number of times you've strayed from it: Straight, >zero. Oooh. Confession time. Okay, since it's just you and me: Straight, a few. >In old cartoons and stuff whenever the parent is about to spank the kid he >always says "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you"... how does he >figure? I dunno... maybe his hat is really uncomfortable or he's having a >nic-fit. I've got buns of steel baby, and it hurts his hand every time he wacks me. >Grandparents' first names: Jim and Nancy, Donah and Esther James Oliver "Ollie" & Therina Hazel Uber and William Burton "Bert" & Helen Marie Haney >Thumb: green/black/other? Not especially botanically talented but haven't >really ever put in the effort. Plants run when they see me coming. I kill cacti. >Good friend you wish you'd done it with at least once but never did, and >where are they now? There are a few, but right now I'm in kind of a "former >Kayte Fawcett" mood. She currently lives in Madison, WI and has the same >number of kids as me. Ooh! More confessions. This is getting seedy. Tie: The first is Lauren. We went to college together, had tons in common, saw each other naked several times at a hot springs & nude beaches and slept in the same bed on a road trip. Unfortunately, as perfect as we were for each other, our timing sucked. One of us was always involved with someone when the other one was single. The friendship never went beyond that of just friends. Last I heard she was in Washington DC working for the Smithsonian. The second is my friend Nathan's sister, Megan. I would have loved to but there's an unwritten guy rule that says, "If you've spent more than 24 hours with a guy during a calendar year, his sister is off-limits forever." >Snack food you're pissed off they don't make any more: Taco-flavored >Doritos. First they ruined the flavor and stuck a Taco Bell logo on 'em, >and them they took them away forever. The new varieties Dorito flavors blow >(guacamole my ass). Several years back at a Quick-E-Mart off of Route 5 in >CenCal I discovered a Dorito's knockoff brand, Tom's, that still makes a >fair facsimile of the old, old Taco flavor, but I've never seen it anywhere >else. Man, this is tough. I can't think of any. Is that weird? >Oh, and Glen, I just got Disney's The Chilling Thrilling Sounds of the >Haunted House about six years ago, I think. I have a digitized copy of it >now. You are a bold and courageous person, afaiiiid of nothing! Hah! Oh, man, I wish I could find a copy of that again. Great memories. - -- Cheers! - -g- "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:25:07 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Move yourself Glen earnestly scribbled: >The second is my friend Nathan's sister, Megan. I would have loved to but >there's an unwritten guy rule that says, "If you've spent more than 24 >hours with a guy during a calendar year, his sister is off-limits forever." To answer the second part of the question, she's currently living in Evansville, Indiana, but is planning to move back to either the Bay Area or Seattle soon (she's lived in both places recently). - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:29:49 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: R.E.M./Wilco & the Sex Pistols >> btw--if anyone is going to the REM/Wilco show tonight, at the Hollywood >> Bowl, post me directly and maybe we can meet up. >I look forward to your review, Marc. >Cheers >Bruce I was supposed to go out to California on Sunday to see the last day of a three day concert festival in downtown San Diego (R.E.M., Sex Pistols, Wilco, and a bunch of other bands), and stay until Wednesday for R.E.M. at the Hollywood Bowl, but I wound up staying here until Tuesday morning. Things worked out really well though. Since I already had a ticket to see R.E.M. and Wilco at the Hollywood Bowl on 9/10, the only other band I really wanted to see was the Sex Pistols. It turned out that a Sex Pistols show was set up at a near-by venue at the last moment, so I wound up being able to see them here in Tempe. I went down early to see if I could meet them before the sound check, but they had gotten into town early on Monday and took care of all that before noon. I ran into two people who had seen them the night before, and they asked for a ride to a nearby hotel, because they had heard the band would be there (they had been drinking with them the night before in San Diego, and the tour manager let them in on a bit of the information). When I was dropping them off, it became more and more clear that this was going to be a good situation--the tour bus was there, and everything seemed very low key. I ran a few errands then headed back to the hotel to see what was going on and give these guys a ride back to the concert. It was really early yet, so we waited around on the patio of the lounge. We talked to Simon, the tour manager, for a while (he had put Raven and Graham on the guest list, plus one each). The hotel treated us as part of the group of people staying with the band, so we had free drinks all afternoon. A couple of band members (Glen Matlock, the original bass player that Sid Vicious replaced, and Paul Cook, the drummer), joined us for a while. I hadn't realized that it was the last show of the tour, and in fact, they said it was the last show they plan to do ever. We headed to the show, and had a great time. After the show, we hung out with Johnny Rotten and Glen Matlock for a while before calling it an evening--we never did wind up meeting Steve Jones, the guitarist. Raven and Graham weren't able to get a flight out that late, so they crashed at my place. It turned out they had flown from John Wayne (Orange County) Airport, and really only needed to return there to get Raven's truck. I was already driving out that way in the morning because the friends I was going to see R.E.M. with live not too far from that airport, so I wound up having passengers on the way out. It was really odd how everything just fell into place, but it went from going to catch the Sex Pistols to hanging out with them the night of their last show and meeting some very nice people. I really enjoyed the show at the Hollywood Bowl. R.E.M. was blander than I hoped, but good. I had been hearing that they took a really healthy dip into their back catalogue, but they only played one song from before "Life's Rich Pageant" that I recall off the top of my head (Don't go Back to Rockville). Solid, but not what I'm used to from them. Wilco was very tight. I wish I was a bit more familiar with them. I liked what I heard. Ken Stringfellow, Mike McCaughy, and Peter Buck joined them for the last song of their set--I'm guessing it was something from the Minus Five/Wilco album, but I haven't listened to my copy of that one yet. A great opening set, the worst part being that the people around me talked to each other almost the entire time. Well that covers some of the details of those shows--jeez, I can get chattering like a squirrel on a caffeine frenzy. Sorry if it's all less than coherent, but I'm falling asleep right now. Later, Marc "Shut up! Shut up, you American. You always talk, you Americans. You talk and you talk and say 'let me tell you something' and 'I just wanna say this'. Well, you're dead now, so shut up!"--Mr. Death (the Grim Reaper), Monty Python's Meaning of Life. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:22:25 -0400 From: "* randi/twofangs.productions *" Subject: r.i.p john ritter I just woke up from a nightmare ... I had fallen asleep with the tv on. And John Ritter is dead. He was 54 ... would have been 55 on September 17th ... he died from a dissection of the aorta ... something that could not have been prevented ... and most probably was an unknown condition. This is the info as of 4:35 am est. I have followed John's Ritter's career of late ... he had guest starred as "Ted" on the "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" episode of the same name ... he was hilarious. He will be missed. fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi toronto, ontario, canada *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *by endurance we conquer* ~ sir ernest shackleton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:19:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: REAP!!!! Man. John Ritter! Call me a sap, but I've always really "connected" with him. :( Another reason why 2003 sucks. I read this news on a newsgroup, and figured it was just a troll's hoax...but then I checked the CNN site.... http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/12/ritter.obit/index.html Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #343 ********************************