From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #325 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 3 2003 Volume 12 : Number 325 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: reap [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Reap (Dad movies) ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Martin Bell/New Zealand/IDG is out of the office. ["Martin Bell" ] Re: reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: reap [Michael R Godwin ] Mike Mills always looked like a muppet anyhow. ["Rex.Broome" ] By Way Of a Hail... (with bonus 80's list) ["Jon Lewis" ] Re: Lys Guillorn [Tom Clark ] Re: Lys Guillorn [ein kleines kinnemuzik ] RE: Would you teach your children to tell the truth? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: random note ["Jon Lewis" ] Re: Would you teach your children to tell the truth? [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: random note [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:44:54 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: reap >> Eb (and if his entire body of work minus "Once Upon a Time in the >> West" is buried with him, that's fine with me) Aw, c'mon... The Magnificent Seven, man! I'm afraid Bronson always reminds me of a book put out by the Goodies, which had an ad from an acting agency in it, something like "Our actors can portray a wonderful range of emotions! Worried! Elated! Terrified! Angry! Constipated!..." each adjective coupled with an identical picture of Charles Bronson, showing his full reprtiore of emotional expressions. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Reap (Dad movies) > I'm with you. My dad is a huge fan and, as a kid, I was forced to sit > through every one of his movies whenever one was on TV. Bronson was a "Dad-movie" actor, international in reach. My father in- law is Taiwanese and a Bronson fan. He also loves all the usual "Dad- movies": Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge Over the River Kwai. Guns of Navaronne, Battle of the Bulge, The Great Escape...etc. Dad movies of the present/future? Gladiator and Starship Troopers come to mind. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:04:33 +1200 From: "Martin Bell" Subject: Martin Bell/New Zealand/IDG is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 03/09/2003 and will not return until 11/09/2003. I will respond to your message when I return. For urgent matters, please contact Production Editor Sara Goessi, or Managing Director Bob Pinchin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:20:32 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: bob's your uncle (100% Hitchcock ...) Thanks to Mike Godwin for sending us the links explaining the origin of this phrase. I had asked several people, British of course. It was a classic act of nepotism. First day of school today! I have the house to myself, without kids dying their hair purple. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:23:51 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: reap On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, James Dignan wrote: > I'm afraid Bronson always reminds me of a book put out by the Goodies, > which had an ad from an acting agency in it, something like "Our actors can > portray a wonderful range of emotions! Worried! Elated! Terrified! Angry! > Constipated!..." each adjective coupled with an identical picture of > Charles Bronson, showing his full reprtiore of emotional expressions. Nice! I recently came across an item (fact? fiction?) saying that Broadway producers can no longer cast actors who can register a full range of emotions, because the whole profession is Botoxed up to the gills. When one actor complained that he was no longer able to scowl, the therapist replied "Scowling is a negative emotion which is not required". - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:34:24 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: reap Michael wrote: > > ... the whole profession is Botoxed up to the > gills Mind you, I wonder how soon it will be before the professional poker players' association outlaws botox as "unfair advantage"? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:20:52 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: reap > Michael wrote: > > ... the whole profession is Botoxed up to the gills On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Mind you, I wonder how soon it will be before the professional poker > players' association outlaws botox as "unfair advantage"? Well, I asked them about this but they remained tight-lipped. - - MRG PS Yuff! Yuff! Yuff! (Edward Heath-style laughter with body rigid but shoulders rocking up and down) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:27:11 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Mike Mills always looked like a muppet anyhow. Gnat: >>I do know that my uncle had the insatiable urge to watch samurai movies after >>he had his vasectomy, so be sure to stock up. I personally like any >>Kurosawa/Mifune flick but your mileage may vary. Score. I have several on DVD already. Looks like my V-Day recovery kit is well on its way. _______ JeFFrey: >>I'm surprised on [Rex's lack of interest in] the Elliott Smith thing, although not >>the other ones. Smith's records remind me of a mythical collaboration between >>Simon & Garfunkel and Lennon & McCartney. I think they sound too much like that, is one thing. The other being just his overratedness (other people do the same thing just as well, many better) which seems to be based on chick appeal. I'm not old enough to not resent that yet. It did click with me that Bob Pollard's an "older gent", but I think of GBV as a late '80's and even more of an early '90's thing, in terms of when they were "new" and first gushed over. BTW, Lucinda ties Kim Gordon at 50. Steve Earle's 48, Pollard 46. ______ Ross T: >>I had a cyst removed from near my eye years ago, & while I was out they >>apparently took my eye all the way out of the socket to do the job better. >>Still bugs me to think about -- so I wanted to tell you-all. :) Oh, sweet mother... nothing squicks me out like eyeball stuff. Man. Can't even do eyedrops and still have nightmares related to the drano-mainlining-overdose vignette in Infinite Jest... damn, man, damn. _____ James: >>Rexy, Rexy, Rexy. Imagine that The Soft Boys, at closest, once played >>a little under 6000 miles from where you are, across the largest ocean on >>the planet. Now consider again how remote you are from the bands you want >>to hear. >>Only three fucking HOURS away? Jeez. I know. It wasn't me, really, it was just the prevailing provincial attitude. Once I had a car & license I did make it to a few shows, but that was only about a year from when I moved to LA. Three hours ain't much but the parents weren't willing to necessarily drive me *home* for those three hours after the gig. And as for older friends... well, nobody was going to any shows I was interested in, anyhow. ___ Dolph: >>...oh, and yes -- for me Mould, not Dylan, is "The Bob." That's okay. Stoners in college useta always throw me by talking about "Bob's music". They meant Marley, see. Every time. I thought Dylan fans were potheads, too, but not so much. _______ Mr. Bronson: >The Great Escape?!? >The Dirty Dozen?!? >The Magnificent Seven?!? I'm surprised that these were the *last* films listed, as they were the first ones I thought of. Good stuff. Apparently he was good in an ensemble only. Saw Bronson on a tabloid cover last week with a headline about his "Dying Wish", and I, along with everyone else, couldn't help but think, "Shouldn't that be 'Death Wish'?" Anyhow, saw REM on Sesame Street this morning. Parenthood is interesting. - -Rex "slicin' up eyeballs, oh ho ho ho!" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:23:21 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Lys Guillorn Anybody heard of that one? The lineup is pretty surprising, at least to me ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:10:51 -0400 From: "Jon Lewis" Subject: By Way Of a Hail... (with bonus 80's list) Hello all, I have determined that it's high time I stop browsing the frickin' archive, as I've been doing for what seems like years, and just subscribe to the frickin' list. May I introduce m'self? I'm Jon Lewis, Robyn freak since the release of Fegmania. A Minnesotan, then Seattlite, then Gainesvillain, and now Atlantean. About the only thing I have to show for myself after thirty-three years is my work in comics, starting with tons of minicomics in '88, then my first proper widely-distributed series, TRUE SWAMP, starting in '94. Since then I've also done a few issues each of SPECTACLES and GHOST SHIP (the latter, yes, named after the Robyn song.) Since '01 I've been finally making something resembling decent pay writing scripts for DC Comics, stuff I have trouble getting my indie-artist friends to look at; but I'm still wrestling with how to balance the different energies required by the DC writing and my own written-and-drawn stuff (currently pencilling a weird little story called NEVERGLADES). Um... somewhere in my mid-twenties I became a major classical geek (esp. Debussy, Sibelius, Mahler, Bartok, Delius, Beethoven, Liszt, n' Schumann) but Robyn still brings me back every time. The main thing to get under my skin during the 90's on a comparable level was Built to Spill. Most of the rest of my still-living obsessions seem to be extremely unproductive recluses, which I hope is a coincidence and not an indicator of some kind of willful cussedness on my part: Scott Walker (esp. SCOTT 3 and TILT!), Tom Verlaine, Mark Hollis. I'll be lucky if any of those three ever release another record, and only Verlaine do I have a snowball's chance of ever seeing live. At least Guy Kyser has a new band! My favorite authors are James P. Blaylock (read THE LAST COIN or THE PAPER GRAIL or ALL THE BELLS ON EARTH and tell me this man and RH are not kindred spirits. I dare you.) Italo Calvino, Jack Vance and Dickens, and my obsession with Vietnamese Beef Noodle Soup has become both proverbial and tiresome to my friends. Out of many live Robyn-ings, the zeniths have been my first time (First Avenue, mpls, '86), Solo acoustic at the Crocodile in Seattle in (I think) '94, the almighty ROCK ARMADA tour in Atlanta and Boston, and last year's Softs show in Atlanta. The Robyn solo songs I'd clutch most defiantly in the face of Alzheimer's would probably be (chosen without looking) Out Of The Picture, City of Love, Abandoned Brain, Autumn Is Your Last Chance, Airscape, Chinese Bones, The SHapes Between Us..., Ghost Ship, Oceanside, I Am Not Me, I Feel Beautiful, No I Don't Remember Guildford, 1974, and Adoration of the City. I cry or at least tear up 75% of the time I listen to Happy the Golden Prince at the point when he shouts "SO THAT'S WHO I AM!" I've really been enjoying people's accounts of how age 30 went for them. Mine was the boilerplate "rough" one (death of father, dissolution of the 5-year relationship that had lured me to the Southeast, unexpected arrival of the ideal dog). What I find odd is that I seem to be having age 30 all over again now, three years later. This Mars-y summer has seen the unexpected croaking of both my big new DC project and my cohab-relationship (with the woman whith whom I moved to Atlanta last year). My dog's still here, though, and those fuckin' Norns better leave my mom alone... anyhow, I'm at one of those bizarre Tabula Rasa crossroads points where one does bizarre things like join mailing lists one's been surreptitiously browsing for ages. Fun! Terror! To close my overlong self-intro, I cannot resist adding my 80's list, arranged in tiers of excellence, first 'godhead' and then 'wouldn't ever wanna be without 'em'--- Minutemen-- Double Nickels On The Dime Thin White Rope-- Moonhead (everything really, but I'll pick just one) Robyn Hitchcock-- Element Of Light (see TWR, above) Tom Verlaine-- Flash Light Talk Talk-- Spirit of Eden Husker Du-- New Day Rising Meat Puppets-- Up on the Sun Scott Walker-- Climate of Hunter Fibonaccis-- Repressed (best of) Naked Raygun-- Throb, Throb - --------- Blue Nile-- A Walk Across the Rooftops Replacements-- Let it Be New Order-- Power, Corruption and Lies The Fall-- Wonderful and Frightening World Of (and others) Bowie--Scary Monsters Mary Margaret O'Hara-- Miss America Hugo Largo-- Drum Big Black-- Atomizer Eno-- On Land Prince--1999 Richard n' Linda-- Shoot Out the Lights Sonic Youth-- Evol Trip Shakespeare-- Across the Universe Boiled in Lead-- Orb Steely Dan--Gaucho Pere Ubu-- Tenement Year Echo et al-- Ocean Rain ("Rick, you're an anarchist. You haven't got an m.p." "Then I shall write to the lead singer of Echo and the Bunnymen! Dear... mr....Echo...") Penguin Cafe Orchestra-- s/t (or was that '79?) Oh-- a last PS-- are any comics fans on this list attending the Small Press Expo (aka SPX) in Bethesda this weekend? It really is the best comics show in the country, with a total emphasis on indie/arty stuff, and if nothing else serves as an astounding one-stop shopping opportunity to get everything everybody's published in the past year. If yer within a few hours and like comics you oughta go. I'll be at the Alternative Comics table and at Jason Little's table. Yours with juice, Jon Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:28:33 -0700 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: Would you teach your children to tell the truth? yo, the current issue of Seattle Weekly features an "oral history" of bumbershoot, that y'all'd probably get a kick out of. . select quote: "I managed shows at the Coliseum back in the '80s for Bumbershoot. I wanted to convey something to Miles Davis. This guy who worked for him said, 'You can't talk to him. He won't talk to white guys.'" a very brief run-down of acts seen yesterday: - --carissa's wierd: underwhelming, at best. - --mountain con: wow. this band has *really* improved since i last saw them three years ago. very exciting. check 'em out, won't you? . - --karsh kale: can't really hear what all the fuss is about. but, not bad. - --new pornographers: super-fantastic (and super-crowded). the vocals were a little muddy, unfortunately. - --wilco: surprised how much i liked the concert, given how much i dislike the record. - --r.e.m.: first time i'd ever seen 'em live! pretty good, even very good at times. couldn't figure out if stipe's vamping is just sincere in-the-moment expression, or is supposed to be some sort of parody. recommended: Beatles Anthology DVD. i'd never seen the teevee programme (too lazy to have taped it, i guess), so was happy when the library purchased the DVD (and that it was a three week loan!). you need to see it in this format, if only 'cause ringo's repeated cursing isn't bleeped out. made me wonder if there are any beatles songs with curse-words on them. can't think of any... also, the special features are pretty cool. the only thing i was expecting to see included, but that wasn't, was the, "no, i'm a mocker," comment. but it's weird. i was born in 1969. how in the fuck did all these images and clips get implanted into my brain? to my knowledge, this was the first beatles documentary i'd ever seen. so it's not like i'm actively seeking it out. other examples would be, like, the zapruder film, or joe dimaggio "breaking" the 56-game barrier, or the first walk on the moon, etc.. but various "beatles moments" seem to be especially culturally pervasive, even 30-40 years later. anyhow... KEN "Too much information" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:34:20 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Would you teach your children to tell the truth? The Kenster earnestly scribbled: >you need to see it >in this format, if only 'cause ringo's repeated cursing isn't bleeped out. >made me wonder if there are any beatles songs with curse-words on them. >can't think of any... also, the special features are pretty cool. "Christ, you know it ain't easy." The backing vocalists on "Girl" are singing "Tit, tit, tit, tit..." Does "'Come' Together" count? The only other one that comes to mind is Lennon's "Working Class Hero". - -- Cheers! - -g- "Soylens Viridis Homines Est" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:49:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Would you teach your children to tell the truth? >"Christ, you know it ain't easy." > >The backing vocalists on "Girl" are singing "Tit, tit, tit, tit..." > >Does "'Come' Together" count? > >The only other one that comes to mind is Lennon's "Working Class Hero". I can remember my naive youth, and being surprised to hear Paul "curse" in the "With a Little Luck" chorus ("We can make this whole DAMN thing work out"). General program note: I will be in the Jacksonville, FL area from September 5th to September 10th, visiting my uncle and his family. My mother is flying out there, too. Kind of a bonding thing for the families, since my uncle couldn't bear the pain of flying out here to say goodbye to my father. They were best buddies. Eb, still in a three-pronged daze of grief ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:48:26 -0700 From: Eb Subject: random note A few nights ago, I was surprised to stumble on the "Balloon Man" video being shown on the VH1 Classic channel. It was during the "Request Hour." Awright, which one of you was it? I don't think that I had seen that video before. In fact, I don't know how many RH videos there are, but I believe "Madonna of the Wasps" is the only one I'd previously seen. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:15:52 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Lys Guillorn on 9/2/03 10:23 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn at Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de wrote: > Anybody heard of that one? > > > > The lineup is pretty surprising, at least to me ... > -- Might be some good stuff! Looks like Lys moved to Danbury, CT a few years ago to be part of its "burgeoning music scene". Whaaa? Granted it's been quite a while since I left, but I'm surprised there's any kind of scene there whatsoever. Danbury was always one of those little cities that tried to be hip but never had any real backbone. - -tc, who went to high school in neighboring Bethel, CT. two years behind Meg Ryan and five years behind Thurston Moore. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:24:46 -0400 From: ein kleines kinnemuzik Subject: Re: Lys Guillorn one time at band camp, Tom Clark (tclark@mac.com) said: >Looks like Lys moved to Danbury, CT a few years ago to be part of its >"burgeoning music scene". Whaaa? Granted it's been quite a while since I >left, but I'm surprised there's any kind of scene there whatsoever. Danbury >was always one of those little cities that tried to be hip but never had any >real backbone. i wouldn't say connecticut has much of a music scene, but it does have a small number of decent bands these days: the mighty purple, the sawtelles, and the battlecats come to mind. there are others as well but i'm not as conversant with the local bands as i should be. i've seen lys' name around a fair amount lately but haven't seen her play out yet. after seeing that album line-up, though, i'll make a point of doing so next time i have a chance. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:27:37 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Would you teach your children to tell the truth? The Kenster wrote: >recommended: Beatles Anthology DVD. i'd never seen the teevee programme >(too lazy to have taped it, i guess), so was happy when the library >purchased the DVD (and that it was a three week loan!). you need to see it >in this format, if only 'cause ringo's repeated cursing isn't bleeped out. >made me wonder if there are any beatles songs with curse-words on them. >can't think of any... also, the special features are pretty cool. Also out on DVD for a couple of weeks now is Backbeat. For those not familiar with it, it's a 1994 flick about the Beatles in 1960-62 when Stu Sutcliffe and Pete Best were in the band. Great love story between Stu and Astrid Kirchherr, the German photographer who takes many early photos of the band and gets them into moptop haircuts. Astrid dumps Klaus Voormann for Stu, and Stu dumps the Beatles to become a full time painter and live with Astrid in Hamburg. The bonus features were a bit on the skimpy side, but still a keeper DVD in my book. Sheryl Lee of Twin Peaks fame plays Astrid. Ian Hart does a nice job portraying John Lennon as does Stephen Dorff as Stu. The music was performed by Mike Mills, Thurston Moore, Dave Pirner & Dave Grohl among others and is pretty high energy. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:29:13 -0400 From: "Jon Lewis" Subject: Re: random note > I don't think that I had seen that video before. In fact, I don't > know how many RH videos there are, but I believe "Madonna of the > Wasps" is the only one I'd previously seen. > I remember 'Raymond Chandler Evening" with a hat floating around in the air above a boardwalk...? Earliest RObyn video incident I can remember was the airing of bits from the 'Hen' video on this great little '85-'86 Twin Cities public access show called, iirc, Video Treats. It was dorky comedy bits interspersed with obscure indie videos. The comedian/hosts were a tubby fellow and Lizz Winstead, the latter who'd much later go on to cocreate The Daily Show, and to impress whom I would gladly kick Craig Kilborn in the face and accept any consequent injuries. Lizz... Video Treats also showed a Tom Waits clip for something off Rain Dogs, and said video incepted my life-long obsession with buckles on shoes. Jon Lewis Atlanta cartoonist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Would you teach your children to tell the truth? Glen Uber wrote: > The Kenster earnestly scribbled: > > >you need to see it in this format, if only 'cause > >ringo's repeated cursing isn't bleeped out. > >made me wonder if there are any beatles songs with > >curse-words on them. can't think of any... also, the > >special features are pretty cool. > > "Christ, you know it ain't easy." > > The backing vocalists on "Girl" are singing "Tit, tit, > tit, tit..." > > Does "'Come' Together" count? Supposedly, there is a pretty audible "shit" in the choruses of "Hey Jude" courtesy of John. And the demo of "A Day in the Life" on Anthology 2 features Paul muttering "Oh Shit" after the bridge. > The only other one that comes to mind is Lennon's > "Working Class Hero". or "I Found Out." ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:31:36 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: By Way Of a Hail... (with bonus 80's list) Quoting Jon Lewis : > I'm Jon Lewis, Robyn freak since the release of Fegmania. A > Minnesotan, > then Seattlite, then Gainesvillain, and now Atlantean. Hail Atlantis! Welcome - and nice '80s list! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:01:39 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Mike Mills always looked like a muppet anyhow. Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > JeFFrey: > >>I'm surprised on [Rex's lack of interest in] the Elliott Smith thing, > although not > >>the other ones. Smith's records remind me of a mythical collaboration > between > >>Simon & Garfunkel and Lennon & McCartney. > > I think they sound too much like that, is one thing. The other being > just > his overratedness (other people do the same thing just as well, many > better) > which seems to be based on chick appeal. I'm not old enough to not > resent > that yet. "Chick appeal"? Elliott Smith? I mean, yeah, I'm a heterosexual guy, so I'm hardly an expert, but uh, he's sorta got Manuel Noriega's complexion and a face that looks to me like something the butcher had already had a go at. Must be that "sensitivity" thing or sumpin' - although even there, he also strikes me as potentially sort of mean in his self-pity. I mostly respond to the melody and chord structures more than to the lyrics myself. > BTW, Lucinda ties Kim Gordon at 50. Was there something in the water in 1953? Cuz, uh...well, you know... > Anyhow, saw REM on Sesame Street this morning. Parenthood is > interesting. Was that "Smily Happy Monsters"? Love it... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat :: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum :: temporo-spatial anomaly. :: --Crow T. Maslow lp: Mary Timony "Aging Astronauts II" lr: Lemony Snicket _The Wide Window_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:07:34 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Would you teach your children to fred the truth? Quoting The Mammal Brain : > recommended: Beatles Anthology DVD. i'd never seen the teevee programme > (too lazy to have taped it, i guess), so was happy when the library > purchased the DVD (and that it was a three week loan!). you need to see > it > in this format, if only 'cause ringo's repeated cursing isn't bleeped > out. > made me wonder if there are any beatles songs with curse-words on them. It's rumored that (among other things) the outchorus on "I Am the Walrus" contains the phrase "everybody's fucked up." But the Beatles recorded before much swearing was "allowed" in popular music. When Jefferson Airplane included the word "fuck" on "We Can Be Together," RCA threatened to not release the record - and even though they backed down, apparently they were worried enough about legal threats that they wouldn't print it in the lyric sheet. Which led to the amusing substitution of the word "fred": "In order to survive we steal cheat lie forge fred hide and deal" and "Up against the wall / Up against the wall fred / Tear down the walls..." The '90s, btw, were the "fuck" decade: every indie act seemed compelled to throw on a "fuck" or two to preserve their indie cred, w/o/n it worked in the lyrics. An interesting exercise: of _Magnet_'s list, how many have a song with "fuck" in the lyrics? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat :: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum :: temporo-spatial anomaly. :: --Crow T. Maslow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:12:55 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Kind of an interesting story :) [Bobby WHO??] Armstrong's Moonwalk Rated Top TV News Moment LONDON (Reuters) - American astronaut Neil Armstrong's moonwalk is the most popular piece of film footage, a poll published by Britain's ITN archive showed on Tuesday. The lunar footage topped a list of the 20 most requested clips in the television news archive, the world's biggest, beating U.S. President John F. Kennedy's 1963 assassination into second place and the attacks of September 11, 2001 into third. Fourth, fifth, and sixth places went to British events -- Princess Diana's funeral in 1997, England captain Bobby Moore lifting the soccer world cup in 1966 and the siege of the Iranian embassy in London in 1980. Seventh was Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech, followed by British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's resignation in 1990. The Hindenburg airship disaster in 1937 and the Munich Olympics massacre in 1972 rounded out the top ten. War themes were prominent in the remainder of the top 20, with the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs, a child napalm victim in Vietnam and Hitler's rise to power all featuring. The ITN archive is the world's largest collection of television news and includes the Reuters, Channel 4 and British Pathe news archives, according to its Web site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:17:25 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: random note On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Eb wrote: > A few nights ago, I was surprised to stumble on the "Balloon Man" > video being shown on the VH1 Classic channel. It was during the > "Request Hour." Awright, which one of you was it? > I don't think that I had seen that video before. In fact, I don't > know how many RH videos there are, but I believe "Madonna of the > Wasps" is the only one I'd previously seen. All right for some. AFAIK neither of these videos is available in the UK. The only thing I've got is the Egyptians "Gotta let this hen out" from 1984. I would be grateful if anyone knows where this stuff might be available on PAL (or QuickTime MOV). - - Mike Godwin n.p. David Cameron Dudley "Feeling hungry in Peckham" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #325 ********************************