From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #309 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, August 16 2003 Volume 12 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Eyeroll Induction Hour (kastle is enkroached) ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Eyerolling ["Glen Uber" ] Puke Induction Hour (kastle is ezra'ed) ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV [Eb ] RE: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV ["FS Thomas" ] RE: Eyeball Ingestion Hour (kastle is enkroached) ["Rex.Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:15:29 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Eyeroll Induction Hour (kastle is enkroached) James: >> Of artists I have nothing by, I'm a little surprised to see the likes of >>Kansas, Japan, and Toad the wet sprocket. Worse than Green Day or >>Better Than Ezra? I don't think so. Firstly, the phrase "Worse than Green Day or Better Than Ezra?" is vertigo-inducing if studied too closely. For my money, there are a few Green Day songs that are catchy, brief and scrappy enough (especially their first "hit", that song about wanking, whatever it's called) that I don't automatically switch the station. As opposed to the aforementioned "Carry On My Wayward Sun" which is an instant, pavlovian lurch-for-the-seek-button trigger. Toad and Ezra, that's a toss-up; I'd bet Toad made the list for having more non-memorable hits over a longer period (which accounts for the Goo Goo Dolls as well). ___ JeFFrey: >>> > 33. Japan >>What?!? Am I missing something here? At least two of their albums >>are just plain quite good - and David Sylvian's done some wonderful >>stuff too. Or is that not cool these days? Y'know, I really only know a few Sylvian solo tracks and if I've ever heard any real Japan music, I didn't know it at the time. Some folks whose tastes I respect love these guys, and the Sylvian stuff I've heard is intriguing enough. I think I lack context for Japan... what the hell *kind* of band was it? I don't need a lame genre tag, just a description that might be useful to someone like, er, me. Like, hey, I like '70's Eno... does that make me a candidate? >>> > 37. The Doors >>Too easy, again - solely a piss-take on Morrisonian pretension. >>Listen to the music, though - some pretty damned good stuff. To me the acid test on this is that, even if you're not the hugest fan of the Doors (and I'm not), you'd have to admit that some good came of their existence and popularity as a band. Jeffrey already cited the X connection. I offer up my beloved Bunnymen as a superior band that betrays the influence, but that is of course a big matter of YMMV. But the real importance of the Doors is probably in (A) opening the door for all of the "challenging" acts that followed them , many on the same label (Stooges, MC5, etc... is there a Manzarek A&R connection there?) and (B), seriously, I don't think Patti Smith would ever gotten a record deal if not for the precedent of Morrison, despite the fact that he's not worthy of licking her armpits. >>Blind Melon >>Honestly, my first thought when I heard the singer had overdosed >>was, "thank god I won't have to hear *that* voice again." Uncharitable... >>but god, they suck worse than almost any act aside from Live. But they only ever had that one song for you to hate. By contrast, when that guy from Alice in Chains (who REALLY should have been on the Blender list) died, it was really, really hard not for me to call up some friends and throw a party that lasted for three days or so (and many of them would have happily taken me up on it). You may not know it since they all sound the same, but Anne B. Davis In Chains* had many, many, truly, truly awful hits. >>..Jeff, offering to Rex the name "Pissing Calvinists" for a band... Can't do it. Gerund/Noun rule. You should know better! - -Rex, who would advocate Smashing Pumpkins for Eyeroll-Inducing List as well, but y'all knew that. *props/blame to Michael Randle who refers to them exclusively by this name PS Neither Eb, Jeffrey, nor myself recognized that Benzino guy, so I'm officially calling BS on that entry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:13:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Eyeroll Induction Hour (kastle is enkroached) On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Y'know, I really only know a few Sylvian solo tracks and if I've ever > heard any real Japan music, I didn't know it at the time. I ended up with a free Sylvian odds-and-ends a year or two ago ("Everything and Nothing"?) and it didn't blow me away, but certainly seemed like the kind of thing that boded well for his real releases. None of the Sylvian or Japan I've heard since then made any impression on me at all (beyond "there seems to be music playing"). > PS Neither Eb, Jeffrey, nor myself recognized that Benzino guy, so I'm > officially calling BS on that entry. I'd never heard of him either. I do remember seeing Made Men referred to a few times on lamppost stickers and things. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:20:29 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Eyeroll Induction Hour (kastle is enkroached) Rex.Broome earnestly scribbled: >Toad and Ezra, that's a >toss-up; I'd bet Toad made the list for having more non-memorable hits over >a longer period (which accounts for the Goo Goo Dolls as well). I can't actually say I know anything at all by Better than Ezra, but I've heard the name. Did they do the song a few years back called "It's was good livin' with you" or some such shit? >>>Blind Melon >>>Honestly, my first thought when I heard the singer had overdosed >>>was, "thank god I won't have to hear *that* voice again." Uncharitable... >>>but god, they suck worse than almost any act aside from Live. > >But they only ever had that one song for you to hate. By contrast, when >that guy from Alice in Chains (who REALLY should have been on the Blender >list) died, it was really, really hard not for me to call up some friends >and throw a party that lasted for three days or so (and many of them would >have happily taken me up on it). You may not know it since they all sound >the same, but Anne B. Davis In Chains* had many, many, truly, truly awful >hits. The most memorable "Sam The Butcher's Bitch In Chains" moment is from an episode of Beavis and Butt-Head. The video for "The Rooster" is playing and one of the boys says, "Songs about war are cool!" Man, I love those two. I play guitar occasionally with a guy who loves Live, Barenaked Ladies and Blues Traveller. He's also into Dan Bern, so I cut him a little slack, but damn, man, some of the shit that he busts out sometimes makes me damn near vomitous. For the record, I kinda like Barenaked Ladies in small doses, but their "look how clever yet surprisingly accessible we are" schtick gets tired after about 3 songs. I have the same Pavlovian response to Live as Rex does to Kansas. And Blues Traveler is just boring. And they ain't blues (the fact that they use only 3 chords in most of their songs, notwithstanding). But they are better than Creed. Morrison was an pompous ass and a terrible poet, but that Manzarek kid sure could play. - -- Cheers! - -g "Why aren't Dave Matthews' Band, the Supremes, Ben Harper and John Mayer 1-4 on the list? And you can put Nora Jones, Michele Branch and the Limp Linkin Nickel PODs in there somewhere, too." u- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:23:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Eyeroll Induction Hour (kastle is enkroached) > > Y'know, I really only know a few Sylvian solo tracks and if I've ever >> heard any real Japan music, I didn't know it at the time. > >I ended up with a free Sylvian odds-and-ends a year or two ago >("Everything and Nothing"?) and it didn't blow me away, but certainly >seemed like the kind of thing that boded well for his real releases. None >of the Sylvian or Japan I've heard since then made any impression on me >at all (beyond "there seems to be music playing"). Obviously, Jason Thornton is not at his computer this afternoon. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:48:37 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Eyeroll Induction Hour (turning japanese) Aaron: >>I ended up with a free Sylvian odds-and-ends a year or two ago >>("Everything and Nothing"?) and it didn't blow me away, but >>certainly seemed like the kind of thing that boded well for his real >>releases. None of the Sylvian or Japan I've heard since then made >>any impression on me at all (beyond "there seems to be music playing"). Actually, now that I think about it, my pet radio station in Paris when I lived there in 1991* was really enamored of Rain Tree Crow, a short-lived Sylvian project, and I liked that stuff. But I liked almost everything that station played even when I didn't know what half of it was. Sylvian is my once and future drummer's favorite artist; I'll probably follow up with him on it when we start rehearsing. Not many people match all of the following criteria: play drums, run a plumbing supply store, love David Sylvian's music, resemble an anime/manga character. But this guy does. Awesome human being. - -Rex *It's often occurred to me that I could legitimately write an autobiographical song called "Paris 1991" and see how many people got pissed at me for screwing up a perfectly good John Cale tune. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:49:34 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Eyerolling >For the record, I kinda like Barenaked Ladies in small doses, but their >"look how clever yet surprisingly accessible we are" schtick gets tired >after about 3 songs. I'd like to see a gang of thugs tie down that entire band, raise their shirts and give them "pink bellies" until they howl for mercy. >Morrison was an pompous ass and a terrible poet, but that Manzarek kid >sure could play. Boy, I couldn't disagree with the Manzarek comment more. What a dullard. Played nothing but up-and-down scales throughout his whole career, as far as I can tell. Hanon exercises translated to performance. Though it's partially the fault of the band's three-legged lineup, I guess -- an extra guitarist would have let Manzarek play a more interesting "decorative" role. I like some of Morrison's poetry, and dislike other bits. He was at his worst when tossing out those pseudo-profundo one-liners during instrumental vamps, a la "The End" and "When the Music's Over." That "Ride the snake"/"The blue bus is calling us" stuff is pretty wretched. >-g "Why aren't Dave Matthews' Band, the Supremes, Ben Harper and John >Mayer 1-4 on the list? And you can put Nora Jones, Michele Branch and the >Limp Linkin Nickel PODs in there somewhere, too." u- The Supremes?? What the hell? "Worst" lists are always problematic to me, since they're crippled from the start by the "Worst...well, the worst which landed a record contract and drew prominent exposure..." factor. I suppose it works better if you change "Worst" to "That Which Has Supplied Me with the Most Personal Irritation," but takes away any illusion of objectivity. I'm seeing the Lonesome Organist tonight. And the headliner is Neil Hamburger, whom I'm mildly curious about. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:04:19 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Eyerolling Eb earnestly scribbled: >>For the record, I kinda like Barenaked Ladies in small doses, but their >>"look how clever yet surprisingly accessible we are" schtick gets tired >>after about 3 songs. > >I'd like to see a gang of thugs tie down that entire band, raise >their shirts and give them "pink bellies" until they howl for mercy. Heh. That's a funny visual. >Boy, I couldn't disagree with the Manzarek comment more. What a >dullard. Played nothing but up-and-down scales throughout his whole >career, as far as I can tell. Hanon exercises translated to >performance. Though it's partially the fault of the band's >three-legged lineup, I guess -- an extra guitarist would have let >Manzarek play a more interesting "decorative" role. Yeah, or at least spring for a bass player. >The Supremes?? What the hell? See your own comment about "personal irritation". I hate that group with every fiber of my being. Diana Ross' voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. - -- Cheers! - -g- "In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments -- there are Consequences." - --R.G. Ingersoll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:19:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Puke Induction Hour (kastle is ezra'ed) Glen: >>I can't actually say I know anything at all by Better than Ezra, but I've >>heard the name. Did they do the song a few years back called "It's was >>good livin' with you" or some such shit? Although I know that tune, I honestly don't know it that was Better Than Ezra. I used to get them confused, based on the lame antiquated-sounding-female-name-related band name, with Ednaswap, who some people told me was much better, but they turned out to be most notable for writing that bland song "Torn" which was a hit for Natalie Imbruglia, and then trying to pass themselves off as the real, gritty "artistes" behind that tune, despite the fact that their version seemed equally lifeless to me. >> I have the same Pavlovian response to Live as Rex does to Kansas. Actually I have the same Pavlovian response to Live as I have to Kansas, too. >>And Blues Traveler is just boring. And they ain't blues >>(the fact that they use only 3 chords in most of their songs, >>notwithstanding). But they are better than Creed. Now that's sayin' something you can't say about very many artists except for all the other ones! >>"And you can put Nora Jones, Michele Branch and the Limp Linkin Nickel >>PODs in there somewhere, too." Oooh, I take it back, there are a few bands who are worse than Creed. There is absolutely NO excuse for Limp Bizkit not being on that list, especially if you roll with the idea that it's all about "it's embarassing that these artists got any attention at all, much less became huge". I don't know if POD is worse than Limp Bizkit per se since they were more followers than leaders, but I swear to fuck that their song "Youth of the Nation" is absolutely no holds barred the very worst thing made by humans in the last ten years. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:17:22 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV Quoting FS Thomas : > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On > Behalf > > Of Gene Hopstetter, Jr. > Well, I went one farther and recorded it. I'm in the process of pushing > the MP3s up to my site now. Give it until maybe 1:00 or so, and they > should be there. > > http://www.ochremedia.com/mp3 > > About the new material: I don't know. Part of me wants to like it, but > I can see the arguments that it's too commercial. I don't hold it > against her for making money, but I'm curious to see what her shows are > like; how dependant on the new material the set lists are. I finally got hold of the new album, the online-only bonus EP, the iTunes exclusive track "Insanity" - plus an acoustic demo supposedly from the WCSE sessions of "Hurricane Cindy" (one of the EP selections) and, for kicks, the cover of the Banana Splits theme song she recorded with (thread convergence) Material Issue a few years back for that Saturday morning cartoon compilation. I followed the advice of Glenn McDonald (he'd kill me for those caps: http://www.furia.com/twas) and resequenced the tracks on the CD I burned - uh, I meant, "when I play the utterly and completely legally acquired tracks in question" - by putting the EP tracks first (including "Insanity"), then the Michael Penn-produced LP tracks, then the Matrix tracks (with the two most dumb-obvious tracks, "Rock Me" and "H.W.C.," last). (The demo & Banana Splits stuff are at the end, as bonuses.) That way, I don't get seriously annoyed with the thing until, oh, three-four tracks from the end. This sequencing makes it sound like a Liz Phair record that gradually morphs into something else - first, someone trying to channel Aimee Mann with a more commercial sheen and a penchant for singing "fuck" (come to think of it, Mann does that, too), and only gradually turning into a vapid caricature of a Liz Phair-like singer. (It probably helps if, for the most part, you actually find "Favorite" kinda amusing. If the whole notion of comparing a guy to a worn pair of panties makes you go urk, well...) And in fact, if *most* of the LP songs weren't bearing the weight of being by the much-acclaimed Liz Phair, I'd say, hmm, this is an interesting singer, with some good ideas and a few stupid ones: hopefully on her next album she'll go for a less produced, less slickly commercial sound. But I'm glad I paid for it exactly what I did. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism np: Leo Kottke _Dreams and All That Stuff_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:43:47 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Eyeroll Induction Hour (turning japanese) Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Aaron: > >>I ended up with a free Sylvian odds-and-ends a year or two ago > >>("Everything and Nothing"?) and it didn't blow me away, but > >>certainly seemed like the kind of thing that boded well for his real > >>releases. None of the Sylvian or Japan I've heard since then made > >>any impression on me at all (beyond "there seems to be music > playing"). > Sylvian is my once and future drummer's favorite artist; I'll probably > follow up with him on it when we start rehearsing. Not many people > match > all of the following criteria: play drums, run a plumbing supply store, > love David Sylvian's music, resemble an anime/manga character. But this > guy > does. Awesome human being. Well, my brother meets the following criteria: plays bass, runs a hardware store, loves Zappa's music, resembles a biker. That's a little more coherent, though. I'd be curious why whoever nominated Japan for that list put them there. They started off fairly derivative - but by the time of _Gentlemen Take Polaroids_ and particularly _Tin Drum_, they were pretty much in their own little musical universe. A track like "Ghosts" features an odd, pointillist synth approach, with nearly every note having a different timbre, a chord sequence that would be almost jazzlike if everything else about the song were completely unjazz, and Mick Karn's rubbery bass lines. I also forgot to defend the B-52's: yes, the first album is great (partly nostalgia: freshman year of college bouncing off various walls while it was playing), but the second one's (with the red cover - forget the title) pretty good too. Their saving grace is they never took themselves too seriously. Okay, later albums went pretty downhill pretty fast...but there are so many more worthy worthless bands, it's almost embarrassing to find them on that list. (Or were they someone here's suggestion to add?) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:52:19 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV on 8/15/03 7:45 AM, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. at gene@hopstetter.com wrote: > Or maybe it was that she was > accompanied by Screech from Saved By The Bell on acoustic guitar. Seriously? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:04:34 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV > > Or maybe it was that she was >> accompanied by Screech from Saved By The Bell on acoustic guitar. > >Seriously? Maybe it was Screech-lookalike Justin Meldal-Johnsen. The bassist from Beck's band, who married a girl I had a big crush on. :P http://www.guyatone.com/images/artists/johnsen2.gif Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:09:03 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV Nah. I his name was Dino Mennigan (?). - -f. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Eb > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 6:05 PM > To: fgz > Subject: Re: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV > > > > Or maybe it was that she was > >> accompanied by Screech from Saved By The Bell on acoustic guitar. > > > >Seriously? > > Maybe it was Screech-lookalike Justin Meldal-Johnsen. The bassist > from Beck's band, who married a girl I had a big crush on. :P > > http://www.guyatone.com/images/artists/johnsen2.gif > > Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:48:06 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: Eyeball Ingestion Hour (kastle is enkroached) Glen: >>Michele Branch And this one can be added to me ever-growing list of "I've heard the name and know she's popular but I couldn't pick her out of a police lineup or name a single one of her songs" artists. Is she the chick on the Santana song... "little bit of this, little bit of that, etc"... and if so, does that make her the female equivalent of that guy from tHE mATchBoxX tWen20y or however the hell they insist on capitalizing their name now? Wheeeee! Bitchy Feg Fridays are Too Much Fun! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:26:57 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Eyeroll Induction Hour (kastle is enkroached) At 12:23 PM 8/15/2003 -0700, Eb wrote: >>I ended up with a free Sylvian odds-and-ends a year or two ago >>("Everything and Nothing"?) and it didn't blow me away, but certainly >>seemed like the kind of thing that boded well for his real releases. None >>of the Sylvian or Japan I've heard since then made any impression on me >>at all (beyond "there seems to be music playing"). > >Obviously, Jason Thornton is not at his computer this afternoon. ;) I was away from computer for part of this afternoon, driving a golf-cart around campus. The very bestest Sylvian/Japan material can be found on the last two Japan studio albums (Gentlemen Take Polaroids, Tin Drum) and the first three solo records (Brilliant Trees, Gone to Earth, Secrets of the Beehive). The Japan stuff is worth it just for Mick Karn's fretless bass playing alone. Sylvian's new album "Blemish" is a step back in the right direction - - quite minimalistic and dark. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:48:39 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV Quoting Eb : > > > Or maybe it was that she was > >> accompanied by Screech from Saved By The Bell on acoustic guitar. > > > >Seriously? > > Maybe it was Screech-lookalike Justin Meldal-Johnsen. The bassist > from Beck's band, who married a girl I had a big crush on. :P > > http://www.guyatone.com/images/artists/johnsen2.gif That's kind of a mannish-looking girl, Eb. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad np: v/a A Homage to Neu! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:28:09 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The Day the Lights Stayed on in Georgia FS Thomas wrote: > Don't know if anyone's heard, but the power grid from Eastern Canada > straight down through NYC is out. Cleveland, Detroit and Toronto are > affected as well. yeah, we were totally out for nearly 30 hours, with rolling blackouts to follow. Downtown TO was just crazy. It took me over four hours to get home -- walked about 1/3 of the way, borrowed a bike from a friend and cycled the rest. It was almost worth it to see the Milky Way so bright in an urban area on Thursday night. Stewart - -- $,="\n";foreach(split('',"\3\3\3c>\0>c\177cc\0~c~``\0cc\177cc")) {$a++;$_=unpack('B8',$_);tr,01,\40#,;$b[$a%6].=$_};print @b,"\n" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Eyeroll Induction Hour (turning japanese) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I also forgot to defend the B-52's: yes, the first album > is great (partly nostalgia: freshman year of college > bouncing off various walls while it was playing), but the > second one's (with the red cover - forget the title) > pretty good too. "Wild Planet." I actually like it more than the first one; no bad cover of "Downtown" and no "There's a Moon in the Moon called the Moon." > Their saving grace is they never took > themselves too seriously. Okay, later albums went pretty > downhill pretty fast... "Cosmic Thing" is almost as good as the first two actually. and "Whammy!" and "Bouncing off the Satellites" both have some solid moments (along with lots of shit). "Mesopotamia" and "Good Stuff" are utterly awful though. > but there are so many more worthy worthless bands, it's > almost embarrassing to find them on that list. (Or were > they someone here's suggestion to add?) I think they were just compared to Oingo Boingo, who were on the list. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Eyeroll Induction Hour (kastle is enkroached) "Rex.Broome" wrote: > But the real importance of the Doors > is probably in (A) opening the door for all of the > "challenging" acts that followed them , many on the same > label (Stooges, MC5, etc... is there a Manzarek A&R > connection there?) I think Danny Sugarman signed all three to Elektra, but am not totally sure > Anne B. Davis In Chains* had many, many, truly, truly > awful hits. What did Ann B. Davis due to deserve that? ===== ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is they're too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:00:04 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Eyeroll Induction Hour (turning japanese) Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > no bad cover of "Downtown" That will always be the definitive cover for me. Indeed, Downtown sung any other way sounds plain wrong. > "Cosmic Thing" is almost as good as the first two actually. "Love Shack" and "Roam" just got too much exposure. "Deadbeat Club" didn't get enough, and I wish I still had my "Channel Z" 12" remix. (not that I could play it ;-P) > "Mesopotamia" and "Good Stuff" are utterly awful though. Mesopotamia was a little too much of a David Byrne production, tho' "Cake" is a corker. We'll have to agree to disagree on Good Stuff, 'cos I love it dearly. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:19:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Eyeroll > > But the real importance of the Doors >> is probably in (A) opening the door for all of the >> "challenging" acts that followed them , many on the same >> label (Stooges, MC5, etc... is there a Manzarek A&R >> connection there?) > >I think Danny Sugarman signed all three to Elektra, but am >not totally sure You're confusing Sugerman with Jac Holzman. I believe Sugerman was a little more than a mailroom boy during the Doors' heyday. Also, I'm pretty sure that *Love* was the first "challenging" act signed to Elektra, not the Doors. I experienced the top and bottom of show-bidness starf*cking tonight, compressed within just a half hour. Late tonight, I was browsing at Amoeba Records. While flipping through a used-CD bin, I saw none other than Danny DeVito *and* Rhea Perlman glumly meandering down the next aisle. They must have been in the store for a decent amount of time, because I saw them a couple of more times over the next 10 or 15 minutes. They looked...confused. They were slowly winding around...no music in hand...didn't even see them stop to browse anything.... Confused. Didn't see them leave. DeVito has gotta be one of the biggest stars I've ever "run into" somewhere. From there, I precipitously tumbled to the grimy bottom of the showbiz ladder. I'm lucky that I didn't break an ankle. I left Amoeba around 11pm, as the store was closing. I walked only 70-80 feet down the street, and my eye caught on a strange, gray-haired figure trudging past in the opposite direction...a little cap...yellow-checked, long-sleeved shirt...our eyes met...he looked at me warily with miserable eyes...my brain said "Wait, that's...uh...." He passed. "...WILD MAN FISCHER!!" Garsh! I wish his face had clicked in my mind a few moments earlier, because it probably would have been the highlight of his night if I had recognized him and said hello. I feel a little guilty now, somehow. Poor guy. Now, I had been walking a bit out of my way, just to check out the new theater complex which replaced the old Cinerama Dome. (I know I rarely go to movies in the theater, but did prices jump about $4 while I wasn't looking? This place wants *$14* to see a friggin' movie!!) Once I gave the theater the once-over, I headed back in the other direction to my car. And Wild Man Larry was still about a block ahead of me, slowly ambling along.... I was thinking if there was some way I could work out another "chance meeting" on the street. I wondered if he was just aimlessly wandering up and down the block, and if he would turn around. But he didn't. Then I stopped and asked myself "Don't you have anything better to do than STALK WILD MAN FISCHER?" Heh. He continued on his lonely adventures without me. And I didn't see the Lonesome Organist, after all. Bleh. Eb PS When the hell did Rockaway Records get split in half *again*? ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #309 ********************************