From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #308 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 15 2003 Volume 12 : Number 308 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time [Aaron Mandel ] Andy, Peter, Diana, and the worst 50 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan] And Your Bird Can Sing (A rethreading) [Mike Swedene ] Re: Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffr] Re: Look what you've started now [AidMerr@aol.com] Re: MK&A (No RH) *but some Cat Power* [Scott Hunter McCleary ] RE: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV ["FS Thomas" ] Re: The Geography of the '80's [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: MK&A (No RH) *but some Cat Power* [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Eb wrote: > Not a very credible list, actually...and I'm not just saying that > because I own albums by six of these acts. ;) I kinda liked it. (I rarely read Blender, but when I do, I always find it surprisingly credible, actually.) Replace "worst" with "most eye-roll inducing" and I'd say it's a good list. Because, you know, I like Oingo Boingo too, but they always seemed narrowly perched on a fence where if they fell on one side they'd turn into goth wannabes and if they fell on the other they'd start writing songs about Ayn Rand, and I'm impressed they avoided both of those fates even while they started to suck. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:07:34 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Absolutely 0% Non-Robyn Contend, Dig? >>TRASH - Was about Kimberly Rew (any takers?) Since I just recently obtained the Rhino version of Invisible Hitchcock, the liner notes are fresh in my mind... Robyn explicitly says (and take this with whatever flavored salt you may prefer) that it's not about anyone in particular, just a "type". He said it was inspired by Random Notes in Rolling Stone, where there are pictures of people together who have never really met other than to throw their arms over each other's shoulders for a quick snapshot. If I had to guess I'd say it was about... I dunno... someone he knew from a band other than his own who became medium-famous through compromise. Wouldn't be nice to guess who. _____ Matt: >>Nextdoorland I wasn't too blown away by when I first got it, but >>my friend Jim recommended that it was worth another listen in this >>late summer heat, so on a trip out to the Rollright Stones the other >>day (to see an excellent Anish Kapoor sculpture in the middle of the >>circle) Iplayed it and - Jim was absolutely right - it's much, much >>better than I had remembered it... I just listened to it back-to-back with Side Three yesterday. It's really great. I liked it a lot when it first came out, and I think it's held up terrifically, and should still sound great in days to come. I felt a slightly different perspective on the lyrical concerns (especially of Side Three) after hearing Luxor. Try it and see what results you get. I like "La Cherite" much more now than I did at first. Matthew looks like such a ringer in the photos... like some guy 15 years younger than the rest, hired to fill in the bass slot. Seriously. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:31:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Top 50 Most Pretentious, Faux-Iconoclastic and Spurious Top 50 Li sts of All Time Eb: >>Subject: Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time >>Not a very credible list, actually...and I'm not just saying that >>because I own albums by six of these acts. ;) I only clock in with one record by one of these artists, but this is for sure a new level of stupidity in the "smug list sweepstakes". It's not even clear, given how diverse these acts are, whether they're supposed to be the worst of "what they are"... in which case it sort of implies that the worst genres are schlocky gimmick-rap, prog, and soft AOR/lite jazz, in that order. Really, it's a list of "stuff that it's embarrassing that it was ever successful". I mean, Kenny G sucks, but surely someone has put out a record or two that sound just like Kenny G but with sax playing that isn't as good as his, and that would be worse, just on principle. Also, I don't even know who this is: >>> 17. Benzino ...and I ain't gonna look it up, neither. >>In fact, in some cases, I object to the inclusion of acts whose albums I >>*don't* own (i.e., Kansas, Oingo Boingo, Arrested Development, Japan) I'm surprised you have anything good to say about Kansas... but I gotta say, Oingo Boingo is a weird choice. They're almost certainly the least successful band on this list, I'd say. Yeah, it seems like everyone in Southern California has an inexplicable boner for them and considers them a world-class act, but they never really broke through anywhere else, did they? >>more than acts whose albums I *do* own (i.e., ELP, Rick Wakeman and >>Iron Butterfly). Hee! Eb hearts ELP!!! >>I'd be curious to read their rationale for including the >>Doors...that's just wacky, man. You're just not as clever as these people, Eb. If you were a truly hip, in-the-know, smirking postmodern iconoclast, you'd recognize that the Doors have far less artistic merit than MC Hammer, Night Ranger, and Milli Vanilli (all absent from the list). >>Thank heavens they remembered to put Skinny Puppy on there, though. ;) I was just glad they caught Creed. - -Rex "wlllleye juzderrrrrd... thanooztadayyyyy" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Top 50 Most Pretentious, Faux-Iconoclastic and Spurious Top 50 Li sts of All Time On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > I'm surprised you have anything good to say about Kansas... but I gotta say, > Oingo Boingo is a weird choice. They're almost certainly the least > successful band on this list, I'd say. Yeah, it seems like everyone in > Southern California has an inexplicable boner for them and considers them a > world-class act, but they never really broke through anywhere else, did > they? Well, I'm from _Northern_ Calif, and had an inexplicable boner for their "Nothing To Fear" album. I couldn't get it up for anything after "Good For Your Soul" though. I, too, think its a weird choice. What do they NOT have that, say, The B-52's have? =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:34:39 -0700 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Top 50 Most Pretentious, Faux-Iconoclastic and Spurious Top 50 Lists of All Time John Barrington Jones wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > > > I'm surprised you have anything good to say about Kansas... but I gotta > say, > > Oingo Boingo is a weird choice. They're almost certainly the least > > successful band on this list, I'd say. Yeah, it seems like everyone in > > Southern California has an inexplicable boner for them and consider > > them a world-class act, but they never really broke through anywhere > > else, did they? > > Well, I'm from _Northern_ Calif, and had an inexplicable boner for their > "Nothing To Fear" album. I couldn't get it up for anything after "Good For > Your Soul" though. > > I, too, think its a weird choice. What do they NOT have that, say, The > B-52's have? A single great album. The first B-52's album is great. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:41:04 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Top 50 Most Pretentious, Faux-Iconoclastic and Spurious Top 5 0 Li sts of All Time Rex Broome: >>Oingo Boingo is a weird choice. They're almost certainly the least >>successful band on this list, I'd say. Yeah, it seems like everyone in >>Southern California has an inexplicable boner for them and considers them a >>world-class act, but they never really broke through anywhere else, did >>they? Hmmm.... I certainly never considered them "just" a Southern California band. I grew up in Denver, Colorado, and they were more or less regarded as musical Gods there throughout the 80s. In fact, until I read this and, subsequently, did some quick research into their album/single sales figures, I'd just always assumed that they were as popular everywhere else as they were in Denver. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:18:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Top 50 > >>In fact, in some cases, I object to the inclusion of acts whose albums I >>>*don't* own (i.e., Kansas, Oingo Boingo, Arrested Development, Japan) > >I'm surprised you have anything good to say about Kansas... Well, I've never considered buying a Kansas album, but...among the top 10 worst acts of all time? Phooey. In their favor, I'd say that "Carry On My Wayward Son" and "Point of No Return" are good radio tracks of their kind, and Kansas never came off as indulgent/egotistical as some of their peers. They probably made this list based on "Dust in the Wind" alone (the magazine text might confirm this). >Oingo Boingo is a weird choice. They're almost certainly the least >successful band on this list, I'd say. I don't have the list in front of me anymore, but even based on quoted text, there's no way Oingo Boingo sold less records than *Japan*. And it seems like Oingo Boingo appeared on an awful lot of '80s film soundtracks too...don't forget about that. They even partied with Rodney Dangerfield. Ka-ching. > >>more than acts whose albums I *do* own (i.e., ELP, Rick Wakeman and >>>Iron Butterfly). > >Hee! Eb hearts ELP!!! I don't think it has ever been a secret that I own some ELP albums, or that I was a big prog fan during high school. The verb "heart" would be an overstatement, though. I'd definitely take ELP over Sc*tt M*ll*r's oeuvre, however. ;) Aaron's suggestion to insert "most eyerolling" in place of "worst" is a good one. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:29:51 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Andy, Peter, Diana, and the worst 50 >"Gangway Electric Guitar Is Coming Through" XTC (or Andy Partridge, on the ... not to mention "Some lovely (My brown guitar)" >> (also called a stein or a Peter. No idea where >> the latter term came from, and I'm not sure I want to know) > >Hmm, the translation of Peter is 'rock' and Stein is German for 'stone', so >that's pretty close, isn't it? in the distance you can possibly hear the sound of a kiwi slapping his forehead and going "D'oh!". >Oh yeah, the Kinks song Good Day was written as a reflection on Diana >Dorrs (sp?) death, but when Princess Di died, less knowledgeable Kinks >fans got all weird and spooked, thinking it was about the woman of many >hats. Diana Dors. Amply-built British sexpot actress of the mid 50s to late 60s. Appeared in loads of comedies. Career clearly modelled on Marilyn, and equally manipulated by outside forces, IIRC. Real name Doris Fluck, about which she memorably said "that name's only one letter away from describing my entire career". - --- >Not a very credible list, actually...and I'm not just saying that >because I own albums by six of these acts. ;) In fact, in some cases, >I object to the inclusion of acts whose albums I *don't* own (i.e., >Kansas, Oingo Boingo, Arrested Development, Japan) more than acts >whose albums I *do* own (i.e., ELP, Rick Wakeman and Iron Butterfly). I'm with you there. Of the ones I have albums by, Wakeman I'd definitely have in my list, along with ELP (though not nearly as high as 2 - top dozen for sure, though), and Dan Fogelburg. Crash Test Dummies, The Doors, and Bob Geldof, though, I don't think would be there. Of artists I have nothing by, I'm a little surprised to see the likes of Kansas, Japan, and Toad the wet sprocket. Worse than Green Day or Better Than Ezra? I don't think so. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: And Your Bird Can Sing (A rethreading) So I was reading I think in Blender about the inspirations of these Beatles penned tunes: "AND YOUR BIRD CAN SING" is supposedly a bighting comment to Mick Jagger about his GF at the time who was trying to launch (or had) a mediocre singing career. The article said that Lennon wrote this as a bighting commentary to Mick. I hope Mick has since been able to recover. "BLACKBIRD" - as per the boots I have heard from Paul's current tour (as well as the DVD and his release of the show) he introduces this as a song about an African American woman who fought for equal rights. I am not a big fan of the last story there.... kinda (new word) makes it feel cheesey. Powerless in NY (but has enough power to run his computer), mike ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:20:44 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time > > 12. Tin Machine Okay, why is this supposed to be so bad? I mean, it's not one of Bowie's best moves (and the live album is a waste) but is it worse than, say, "Never Let You Down" or whatever? > > 16. Oingo Boingo I think this is here solely because it launched Danny Elfman's film-music writing career. Makes Albert Glasser seem subtle as a composer. > > 17. Benzino Huh? Who? They made this one up, right? > > 18. Pat Boone This will have to stand in as the epitome of smirk-reaction: I seriously doubt that anyone at _Blender_ is actually prepared to listen to, and judge, Pat Boone as a singer. It's just a signifier of "bland, clueless white guy," is all. > > 33. Japan What?!? Am I missing something here? At least two of their albums are just plain quite good - and David Sylvian's done some wonderful stuff too. Or is that not cool these days? > > 37. The Doors Too easy, again - solely a piss-take on Morrisonian pretension. Listen to the music, though - some pretty damned good stuff. (Oh - and also probably here for latterday "Doors" reunions, Manzarek's ongoing spacecase-ness - but hey, he produced the first two X albums, so there.) > > 40. Blind Melon Oh christ, you had to go and remind me of these guys. Honestly, my first thought when I heard the singer had overdosed was, "thank god I won't have to hear *that* voice again." Uncharitable...but god, they suck worse than almost any act aside from Live. > > 49. Toad the Wet Sprocket Stupid, ill-fitting name; a bit too quiet for their times; major-label and too clean - but you know what? They had a few good songs. > > 50. Iron Butterfly Man, piss on the newly dead guitar player... Betcha they don't know an Iron Butterfly song other than "Inna-Gadda-da-Vida"... Random thought: You know, if anything should lure Bill Watterson out of retirement, it's the thought that if he doesn't bring back "Calvin & Hobbes," a whole generation of mullet-sporting morons is going to think of Calvin solely as that little guy pissing on things that you see on pickup trucks. ..Jeff, offering to Rex the name "Pissing Calvinists" for a band... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:54:35 EDT From: AidMerr@aol.com Subject: Re: Look what you've started now >> >Oddly, the only one I can think of is "Fender Stratocaster" by Jonathan >>Richman. >>>"Electric Guitar" by Talking Heads. >>>"Red Guitar" by David Sylvian. "Acoustic Guitar" by Stephin in one of his incarnations (I think Magnetic Fields). NB - in the Syd Barrett biography you always see in bargain buckets in indie stores, "Man Who Invented Himself" is listed in the "Songs about Syd" section. For what that's worth. No idea where they got this from (and since Robyn was living about 10 minutes walk from Syd at the time he wrote it, the line "nobody knows where he's gone, but he's not here" seems particularly inappropriate). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:58:18 -0400 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Re: MK&A (No RH) *but some Cat Power* A certain Hooligan said: >Was just looking at the cover of the latest Rolling Stone magazine >(drooooooooooooooooool). Does anyone else think that Mary Kate and >Ashley Olson /strongly/ resemble gelflings? Or a couple chihuahuas. Make no mistake -- they are evil changelings with more money than God. Speaking of pictures, anyone else catch the picture of Chan Marshall in the Aug. 18 & 25 New Yorker? Holy moly. When the lights come back on, you should take a look. Don't worry -- there are some shots of OTHER creepy-looking twins in that issue, too. ;-) - -- ========= "Throughout the 20th century, small groups of men seized control of great nations, built armies and arsenals, and set out to dominate the weak and intimidate the world." - -- George W. Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:14:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time >Jeffrey had near-identical objections to mine: > > > 17. Benzino > >Huh? Who? They made this one up, right? I just read Benzino's AllMusic bio...it seems pretty obvious why he was picked. Major integrity/conflict-of-interest issues. Wouldn't have guessed he was a *rapper*...kinda surprised his name was so entirely unfamiliar to me. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:37:29 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time Quoting Eb : > > > > 17. Benzino > > I just read Benzino's AllMusic bio...it seems pretty obvious why he > was picked. Major integrity/conflict-of-interest issues. And it uses the phrase "troubled rapper," a phrase upon which I hereby propose a ban. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" np: some mp3s I found online of a band that was a favorite of mine when I was at Ann Arbor in the early '80s, the Ragnar Kvaran Group. Most of it postdates my familiarity with them (and isn't as good as the stuff I was familiar with back then) but it's pretty damned cool to hear all the same. Ain't no such thing as "mists of history," 'twould seem... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:30:42 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: The Day the Lights Stayed on in Georgia Don't know if anyone's heard, but the power grid from Eastern Canada straight down through NYC is out. Cleveland, Detroit and Toronto are affected as well. CNN/Fox have some *lovely* shots of people, once again, walking out of Manhattan. The flaky thing is the power here (Atlanta) flickered off around the same time it went completely black up north... - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:12:09 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: The Day the Lights Stayed on in Georgia Wow. How incredibly laggy. I sent that thing at, what, 5:30, and it's just getting back now? At 12:11? Ouch. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of FS Thomas > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:31 PM > To: The Oracle > Subject: The Day the Lights Stayed on in Georgia > > Don't know if anyone's heard, but the power grid from Eastern Canada > straight down through NYC is out. Cleveland, Detroit and Toronto are > affected as well. > > CNN/Fox have some *lovely* shots of people, once again, walking out of > Manhattan. > > The flaky thing is the power here (Atlanta) flickered off around the > same time it went completely black up north... > > -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:50:15 -0400 From: Tom Rodebaugh Subject: re: Off topic... oh, hang on... no! 100% prime RH! regarding my blithe and ambiguous characterization of "live at the folk" and "nextdoorland," it was written... . At 05:11 PM 8/14/03 -0400, "you" wrote: >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:10:40 +0100 >From: "Matt Sewell" >Subject: Off topic... oh, hang on... no! 100% prime RH! > >Which one is which? I have both - the Cambridge folk fest isn't bad, >really, as long as you get it fairly cheap (I paid about a fiver for >mine), actually most of the performances are excellent. i agree, having heard it. people seemed to think it wasn't worth paying a lot for. i think it's safe to say, what with the ridiculously large amount of music i'm downloading, i effectively paid less than a fiver for it. >Nextdoorland I wasn't too blown away by when I first got it, but my >friend Jim recommended that it was worth another listen in this late >summer heat, so on a trip out to the Rollright Stones the other day (to >see an excellent Anish Kapoor sculpture in the middle of the circle) I >played it and - Jim was absolutely right - it's much, much better than I >had remembered it... i really, really like nextdoorland, although overall i like side three better. having heard the live version of strings, i wish the version on the album had the live's version . . . well, whatever it had--energy? scrappiness? loudness?--but otherwise, it's my favorite rh song in recent memory. cheers, tom Please note, new email effective immediately: tlr3@temple.edu Thomas Rodebaugh Postdoctoral Fellow Adult Anxiety Clinic Temple University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:45:18 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV Yep, I saw her performance on 3White Bread American Breakfast News2 or whatever the hell that show is called this morning. Yikes. I don9t know if she was nervous, but the vibrato in her voice made her sound very, very nervous. Maybe it was the middle-aged people trying (and failing) to lip-synch her lyrics, or maybe it was the fact that she was wearing a mini-skirt and was concerned she was about to give a beaver shot to the 14 trillion middle-aged people watching her on TV as they stuffed their face with power breakfast bars. Or maybe it was that she was accompanied by Screech from Saved By The Bell on acoustic guitar. It sorta made me embarrassed that I own two of her CDs. I think I9ve got her New Look figured out: she9s the Jewel for the Sex In The City Set. Think about it: she9s edgy, 3poetic2 (cough, cough), and 3alternative2 but with enough reckless promiscuity and profanity to please even the most jaded NY metrosexual-loving shopaholic. Oh, and I hope you folks on the east coast are doing alright. That9s really gotta suck. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:26:13 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Geography of the '80's Catherine re: Boingo: >>Hmmm.... I certainly never considered them "just" a Southern >>California band. I grew up in Denver, Colorado, and they were more >>or less regarded as musical Gods there throughout the 80s. Maybe they were bigger in the West in general. Back East they seemed to spring into existence just to do songs on soundtracks to teen exploitation films. I've never really warmed to them, although I concede they have their moments... there were just so many better power pop bands (and LA bands in general) in that era who never got their due. And "Only a Lad" has always had an off-puttingly right-wing subtext to it, for my money. They're definitely huge in LA and less so elsewhere, and I kind of like that there are still some acts that are wildly popular on a regional basis only. I'll never forget how upset my buddy from Chicago was when that guy from Material Issue died. I was all, "Oh yeah, that one song... So and So Loves Me..." - -Rex, who admittedly spent his teen years surrounded by Hair Metal Hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:46:15 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Gene Hopstetter, Jr. > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:45 AM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Saw Jewel, er, Liz Phair on TV > > Yep, I saw her performance on 3White Bread American Breakfast News2 or > whatever the hell that show is called this morning. Well, I went one farther and recorded it. I'm in the process of pushing the MP3s up to my site now. Give it until maybe 1:00 or so, and they should be there. http://www.ochremedia.com/mp3 About the new material: I don't know. Part of me wants to like it, but I can see the arguments that it's too commercial. I don't hold it against her for making money, but I'm curious to see what her shows are like; how dependant on the new material the set lists are. She played the free "On the Bricks" concert series here at Centennial Park in Atlanta last Friday. We had dinner reservations and thought that, for sure, we would be able to get out in time to see her. The line up wouldn't cooperate, though, and she was playing right as we walked into the restaurant at 8:00, directly across from the park. I'll leave the MP3s up for today and maybe tomorrow for those who are interested. The actual songs are tracks two and four, with the "interview" and introductions on the others. - -ferris. PS: Anyone else discovered the filesharing application DC++? They ran an article in the Atlanta-based "Creative Loafing" a couple of weeks ago that mentioned it as a possible way around the RIAA. The client connects to servers that, for the most part, are located outside of the country. Whether or not it is a way round the system remains to be seen, but the server hubs out there offer most *anything*. While I'm only after unreleased music, you could fetch practically every type of filth known to man and beast out there. There are servers offering first-run movies, MP3s, full-blown applications and operating systems, etc. The best luck I've had has been with dedicated SHN servers (who often refuse connections from anyone sharing MP3s.) I've already grabbed the Chicago Soft Boys gigs (10/18/01 and 10/28/02) as well as a Robyn solo show from Chicago (1999). I'm in the queue for a slew of stuff right now including a really great quality Zappa boot recorded in 1976 from Japan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:03:34 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The Geography of the '80's Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > general) in that era who never got their due. And "Only a Lad" has > always > had an off-puttingly right-wing subtext to it, for my money. Well, Elfman certainly went on to Get Paid. > I'll never forget how upset my buddy from Chicago was when that guy from > Material Issue died. I was all, "Oh yeah, that one song... So and So > Loves Me..." I bought the first Material Issue album on the strength of that song ("Valerie Loves Me") and rave recommendations from some power-pop fans at the time (I was somewhat heavily into the genre at the time). However, the rest of the album is either forgettable, or unbearably smug. "Valerie," though, is a brilliant song - just because you know he knows she barely knows he exists. In other words, instead of the overbearing smug self-confidence on display elsewhere, this song gets at the vulnerability underlying that performance. For me, that makes it so much more rounded a performance. Also, the rhythm guitar on the verses is way cool, and the way he screams the title line is perfect. Sorry to any of their fans, but to me they're textbook-case one-hit wonders.(and not even really a hit. But one good song is still one good song - - a lot more than many bands manage.) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:06:02 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: MK&A (No RH) *but some Cat Power* Quoting Scott Hunter McCleary : > Speaking of pictures, anyone else catch the picture of Chan Marshall > in the Aug. 18 & 25 New Yorker? Holy moly. When the lights come back > on, you should take a look. I'm still not sure if I wished the lights were still out. You know those "contests" in kids' magazines, like "how many Indians can you see hiding in this picture?" I suggest, "how many bad fashion decisions can you see in this picture?" ..Jeff, actually in Milwaukee where the lights are still working J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat :: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum :: temporo-spatial anomaly. :: --Crow T. Maslow ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #308 ********************************