From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #307 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 14 2003 Volume 12 : Number 307 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ah... trams... (0.1% RH) and a bit long-winded [Capuchin ] Re: look what you've started now... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] How to pay for your trains... ["Matt Sewell" ] Funicular fun... ["Matt Sewell" ] Off topic... oh, hang on... no! 100% prime RH! ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: petrification [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Thatcher (0% placenta) [Michael R Godwin ] RE: How to pay for your trains... [Dr John Halewood ] RE: How to pay for your trains... ["Matt Sewell" ] Less Than Zero [Jill Brand ] Re: Bad email, good beer ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Bad email, good beer ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Bad email, good beer [Ken Weingold ] Re: Bad email, good beer [Ken Weingold ] MK&A (No RH) [Sweet & Tender Hooligan ] Re: Bad email, good beer ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: don't shoot me, I'm only the keyboard typer (dull, boring, political) [Michael R Godwin ] Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Ah... trams... (0.1% RH) and a bit long-winded On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Eb wrote: > By Kurt Streeter, Times Staff Writer In a final report, federal > investigators said that faulty mechanical and brake systems, combined > with weak oversight, led to a fatal crash two years ago at the historic > Angels Flight railway, which could open again next year after being > closed since the accident. > > The crash occurred Feb. 1, 2001, when a car on the historic railway, > located on one of the steepest hills in downtown Los Angeles, broke > loose and sped backward for about a block before smashing into > another rail car at the bottom of the hill. > > An 83-year-old man was killed and his wife and six others were > injured in the crash, which occurred in front of a crowd of shocked > daytime onlookers. I wish they'd shut down each freeway for two years every time they had a single fatal accident. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:23:13 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Beer and Brain Teasers: Friends 4-Ever! Tom C: >>I'm glad someone else pines for Haffenreffer. I drown many a brain cell >>in that swill back in my Connecticut high school years. Those >>"Concentration" puzzles inside the caps were cool... Were they the same as the Lucky Lager Rhebuses*? My brother was a huge fan of the movie "Kalifornia", which I never saw, but apparently contains the line "This ain't no fuckin' Lucky Lager", and he thought it was a made up beer until I visited him in Florida and he had some other shit beer with rhebuses inside the bottle caps, and I said, "Hey, just like Lucky Lager,", and he looked at me like I'd just come down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments. I shipped him a case for his birthday a year later and he admitted it was swill. On the same trip I saw my own ID tacked to the wall of a bar I'd never been to as a "fake ID". See, my younger brother and I, we look sort of similar, and he wasn't quite 21 so much yet, and I had an old CA ID that was supplanted by a driver's license without so much expiring, and you can see how that goes. ____ Carrie: >>And the Angelino Fegs must remember Angel's Flight. Isn't that back >>in working order? I understood they were going to get it back up >>and running, sort of a tourist thing. Eb already posted a nice article on this, but short story is that it was, but it killed somebody and closed down again. Future uncertain. Funny thing: I had been living in LA for three years when I first heard about it, and when I did it was via the cover to Michael Penn's second album and the lyrics to one of the songs thereon. It was still closed at the time. _____ Me, exeunt followed by bear: > >Oddly, the only one I can think of is "Fender Stratocaster" by Jonathan >Richman. >>"Electric Guitar" by Talking Heads. >>"Red Guitar" by David Sylvian. Dude, I was just kidding.... (small voice) my guitar wants to kill your mama... and also Fluke also had a tune called Electric Guitar... ____ James: >>all that, and yet you fail to mention "The day John Kennedy died". >>Great album. Damn damn damn! Okay, it is a great album, but for some reason I didn't hear until relatively recently (the CD reissue, what, five years back?) and I had been probably built up my expectations too much by then, based on its critical rep. I expected it to be, say, head and shoulders above "New York", but I rate it about the same (and I like NY a lot). I do like the fact that I can actually hear Quine's guitar on that one. No, it's good; I need to revisit with some distance from my first impressions and the Bockris Lou-bio I read at about the same time. ______ Sometimes you have a bunch of shit days in a row and then something really really good happens. Such is the case with me right now. I just reached back into the mists of history and retrieved my old drummer... best drummer and one of the best bandmates-as-human-beings I ever had. He's had a disc of my demos for a week now and I was figuring he hated them, but he just called up and said he was really, really impressed and ready to play. That's just too cool. - -Rex "dude, I guess I need a bass player all of the sudden" Broome *free band name, first come first serve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:19:50 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: look what you've started now... >> >Oddly, the only one I can think of is "Fender Stratocaster" by Jonathan >>Richman. >> >>"Electric Guitar" by Talking Heads. > >"Red Guitar" by David Sylvian. "Electric guitar - Humbucker" Fluke "My guitar wants to kill your mama" Various Zappas "This guitar says sorry" Billy Bragg "Guitar and Pen" The Hoo "Stolen guitar" Icehouse "Impossible guitar" Phil Manzanera "A study of six guitars" Amorphous Androgynous "While my guitar gently weeps" Stig O'Hara "Mars needs guitars" Hoodoo Gurus "Guitar was the case" Monopuff any more? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:30:36 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Funiculi funicula >I Often Dream of Trains-- > >I have great sentimental attachment to freight. In college, there was a >long C&O freight that >regularly parked itself between my apartment & school, so I'd often climb >over the couplings to >take my short cut. Once one started pulling off. I jumped clear, but >realized how tricky that >stuff can be. I've know a few people in the choo-choo buisiness & thru >them seen a bunch of >others, & it's surprising how many older people who've worked on trains >are missing a finger, or >even an arm. Or at least in the 70s, maybe safety is better now. I take it, since we're all into this damn 'songs about' thread, that you know the following site? I've managed to get Robyn nameed a couple of times on it: oh, and pictures of Wellington's funicular/cable car thingy are here: James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: That damn thread/trams wasn't there an artist known as Robyn Hitchcock that wrote some songs, aside from Nick Drake, about people? I seem to recall... or as the Iron Chef guy says "If memory serves me right...." TRASH - Was about Kimberly Rew (any takers?) I SOMETHING YOU - Michele YIP SONG - Robyn's Dad and some yapping dog? Raymond chandler Evening - Jefrey with one f (Pixies) about their percussionist during the Trompe Le Monde sessions. Dr Roberts (Beatles) about a doctor in the 60's who gave out prescriptions to all the big stars. that is all for now... still filling the iPod. mike ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:50:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: look what you've started now... Quoting James Dignan : > >> >Oddly, the only one I can think of is "Fender Stratocaster" by > Jonathan > >>Richman. > "My guitar wants to kill your mama" Various Zappas *brzzzp* - sorry, I can't accept Dweezil Zappa here. A genetic embarrassment. "Gangway Electric Guitar Is Coming Through" XTC (or Andy Partridge, on the _Fuzzy Warbles_ demo collection - well worth buying, btw!) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman np: The Monkees _Head Soundtrack_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:21:27 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Busting a Brenda - --On Donnerstag, 14. August 2003 11:11 Uhr +1200 James Dignan wrote: > (also called a stein or a Peter. No idea where > the latter term came from, and I'm not sure I want to know) Hmm, the translation of Peter is 'rock' and Stein is German for 'stone', so that's pretty close, isn't it? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:56:47 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: How to pay for your trains... In order to have environmentally friendly, less polluted cities in which everyone can get to where they're going quickly and easily, you could have a system where everyone pays a certain amount of money, according to their income, and that money is then spent on transport... come to think of it, you could do that for all sorts of other things - health education, whatever. Or am I just nuts? Cheers Matt >From: "FS Thomas" >I don't doubt for a moment that by revitalizing rail (at least in >metropolitan areas) would lessen traffic and environmental problems, but >without such a venture to at least break even, it's a bad, bad >proposition. > >-f. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you love music, create your own online music collection with MSN Music Club. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:03:47 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Funicular fun... Funicular railways - now you're talking! I just got back from a holiday in Exmoor, where I once again visited my absolute favourite funicular - the Lynton & Lynmouth cliff railway - you can see it here: http://www.funimag.com/funimag19/Lynton01.htm Built in the C19th, it's powered by a spring at the top of the cliff - the top carriage water tanks fill as the bottom carriage's empty, hey presto! You're off! #3 return may seem a bit steep, but there again, so does the cliff... Cheers Matt >From: Christopher Gross Especially neat >are the funiculars, trams built on a slant to transport folks up steep >hills. A quick Google search yielded an intimidating amount of >information here: > > > > > >--Chris, >whose computer has now been certified worm-free > >______________________________________________________________________ >Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. >chrisg@gwu.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:10:40 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Off topic... oh, hang on... no! 100% prime RH! Which one is which? I have both - the Cambridge folk fest isn't bad, really, as long as you get it fairly cheap (I paid about a fiver for mine), actually most of the performances are excellent. Nextdoorland I wasn't too blown away by when I first got it, but my friend Jim recommended that it was worth another listen in this late summer heat, so on a trip out to the Rollright Stones the other day (to see an excellent Anish Kapoor sculpture in the middle of the circle) I played it and - Jim was absolutely right - it's much, much better than I had remembered it... Cheers Matt >From: Tom Rodebaugh >obrobyn: live from the cambridge folk festival and nextdoorland are >there. of course, i already own one and know the other isn't much >worth owning. . . but it's free! (sorta. or at least really cheap.) > >cheers, > >tom - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the brand new MSN Shopping site today for loads of top offers! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:19:40 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Who's that in the RH song? Trash about Kimberley - ouch! Surely not? I Used To Love You - must be about Syd, no? I've always wondered who Clean Steve was... any clues? I know Mark Ellen appears... and surely Robyn *must* have written a song about Zimmy...? Cheers Matt >From: Mike Swedene >wasn't there an artist known as Robyn Hitchcock that >wrote some songs, aside from Nick Drake, about people? >TRASH - Was about Kimberly Rew (any takers?) > >I SOMETHING YOU - Michele > >YIP SONG - - Robyn's Dad and some yapping dog? > >Raymond chandler Evening - > > >mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the brand new MSN Shopping site today for loads of top offers! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:45:18 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: petrification > --On Donnerstag, 14. August 2003 11:11 Uhr +1200 James Dignan > wrote: > > (also called a stein or a Peter. No idea where > > the latter term came from, and I'm not sure I want to know) On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Hmm, the translation of Peter is 'rock' and Stein is German for 'stone', so > that's pretty close, isn't it? One of J C's most memorable puns: "you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it." (Matthew 16:13-18) - - Mike Godwin PS James, you shouldn't've told me about that Music and Railways site. I've got work to do! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:21:17 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: Thatcher (0% placenta) On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, FS Thomas wrote: > Unprofitable businesses should be allowed to die; it's a basic principle > of economics. By meddling with the natural course of business cycles, > you skew the economy. There are shelves full of economics books which discuss these issues. Economists believe that market solutions are usually sensible, subject to some important caveats. One of the key principles of market competition is the level playing field. Several people have pointed out that different modes of transport receive different forms of public support (e.g. roads are usually supported by public repairs, road signs, traffic police etc). Unless these are costed equitably, competition may be biased in favour of one mode or another. Famously, airline fuel is not taxed, which is a huge benefit relative to other modes. Different modes of transport can also be restricted by government: pre-1939, the (private) British railways complained that their fares and charges were regulated, whereas road firms could charge what they liked. Again this upsets the level playing field. There is also a 2nd-year chunk of economics concerned with "externalities" and "merit goods". This stuff can get dodgy, but the basic principles seem fair: a) If your activities interfere with me, there is a loss which someone should pay for. So if you run a 24-hour Celine Dion festival next door to me, either you should pay me some compensation, or I should bribe you to stop. Your festival imposes a "negative externality" on me and the net benefit of the festival to the two of us is less than its private benefit to you. b) However, some goods are "merit goods". The usual example given is education. I get a private benefit from education, but the community also benefits if everyone is educated, because, for example, they can all read traffic signs, add up their change, and follow instruction manuals. Also, things like science and technology are more likely to develop in an educated society. So in this case there is a "positive externality" and the net benefit of education is more than the sum of private benefits to each graduate. For many goods on the market you ought to take these positives and negatives into account _in addition_ to the market value. There is a general belief in London that the road system is simply not adequate to get the commuters in and out every day. Consequently, the suburban and underground railways provide an external benefit by relieving road congestion. And because they run on electricity, they also reduce pollution in central London(*). The fun starts when you try to assign values to these benefits: do they outweigh the losses incurred by the rail system or don't they? - - Mike Godwin (*) Some people argue that electric trains are still polluting because you need a power station to generate the electricty. But (i) the power stations can be sited away from populated areas (ii) there is a choice of power station fuels, some of which are less polluting than others, such as hydro-electric power (iii) regulations can be imposed to force power station operators to clean up their emissions. n.p. The railroad runs through the middle of the house ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:26:44 +0100 From: Dr John Halewood Subject: RE: How to pay for your trains... Matt Sewell juggled some electrons thus: > In order to have environmentally friendly, less polluted > cities in which > everyone can get to where they're going quickly and easily, you could > have a system where everyone pays a certain amount of money, > according to > their income, and that money is then spent on transport... > come to think > of it, you could do that for all sorts of other things - health > education, whatever. > > Or am I just nuts? Isn't that what taxes are supposed to be for? The government takes some of your money, and in return you get roads, hospitals, parks, your rubbish taken away. The rich pay more and the poor pay less. Okay, it might not always work out like that when people like Dubya seem to think that the poor ought to pay more than the rich, and the free healthcare only seems to happen in a few enlightened countries, but I always thought that was the basic premise. Mind you, if it was a democracy, you'd be able to say things like "don't spend my 20% tax on weapons, put it into hospitals instead", or something. Mind you, ISTR many of the Quakers doing quite a good job in that area. cheers john "there's no governement like no government" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:29:17 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: RE: How to pay for your trains... Hey, there's no fooling you, John! Cheers Matt >From: Dr John Halewood >To: "'Matt Sewell'" , fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: RE: How to pay for your trains... >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:26:44 +0100 > >Matt Sewell juggled some electrons thus: > > In order to have environmentally friendly, less polluted > > cities in which > > everyone can get to where they're going quickly and easily, you could > > have a system where everyone pays a certain amount of money, > > according to > > their income, Dr John said: >Isn't that what taxes are supposed to be for? >cheers >john > >"there's no governement like no government" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: trams Matt wrote: ... can anyone recommend somewhere I can go and ride the trams? When we were in Germany, I went back to Hamburg for the first time since the 1980s and was distraught to find that all the streetcars I used to take were gone and had been replaced by busses. In Boston, we still have a semi-demi streetcar, known as the Green Line. The cars are the same as streetcars that I have ridden in Europe (some are made in Europe), and they travel overground for much of their route on street level (and when you are making a left turn on Beacon Street or Commonwealth Avenue, you'd best be careful, as my friend Lillian found out the hard way while we were on our way back from an Echo and the Bunnymen show about a million years ago). However, the three Green Line lines (the B, C, and D) duck underground when they are in the heart of the city. I believe that this is the oldest metropolitan train system in the U.S. Does anyone know? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:52:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Less Than Zero "This is possibly the time to mention that Not the Nine O'Clock News did a song about Oswald Moseley. (IIRC - or was it an Alexei Sayle song?)" Doesn't EC's Less Than Zero give a nod to Oswald Moseley? Oh yeah, the Kinks song Good Day was written as a reflection on Diana Dorrs (sp?) death, but when Princess Di died, less knowledgeable Kinks fans got all weird and spooked, thinking it was about the woman of many hats. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:29:25 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Bad email, good beer From: Tom Clark > > Yo Gene! What editor are you using? This was freaking painful to decipher! > I9m currently transitioning from mail.app to Entourage X at work. I blame the goofy formatting, and pretty much every other problem in the world, on Entourage X. And yes, it has me totally farging annoyed. Exchange support, my ass. Please, please, Apple, release Panther tomorrow. > > I'm glad someone else pines for Haffenreffer. I drown many a brain cell in > that swill back in my Connecticut high school years. Those "Concentration" > puzzles inside the caps were cool... Haffenreffer is one of the 3Honest Beers2 -- the cheap but still good brews made for the American Working Man. Schlitz is the other one. And no, I don9t care if you disagree with me or not. Schlitz rules. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:36:11 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Bad email, good beer Hooray! The return of my No.1 favourite thread - the beer thread... after all, it's what this list's all about... isn't it?! Cheers Matt, nd (or would be if I wasn't at work) Weissbeer... mmm... great in hot weather... >From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." > > I'm glad someone else pines for Haffenreffer. I drown many a brain cell in > > that swill back in my Connecticut high school years. Those "Concentration" > > puzzles inside the caps were cool... > >Haffenreffer is one of the 3Honest Beers2 -- the cheap but still good brews >made for the American Working Man. Schlitz is the other one. And no, I >don9t care if you disagree with me or not. Schlitz rules. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enjoy a faster internet experience when you sign up for a FREE BT Broadband connection! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:42:22 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Bad email, good beer On Thu, Aug 14, 2003, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > I9m currently transitioning from mail.app to Entourage X at work. I blame > the goofy formatting, and pretty much every other problem in the world, on > Entourage X. And yes, it has me totally farging annoyed. Exchange support, > my ass. Please, please, Apple, release Panther tomorrow. What I cannot stand with Entourage (for 9 or X) is that apostrohpes come out as superscript 1's for me. But either way, why would you want Exchange to support your ass? Yoiu sending dingleberries as email attachments or something? ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:48:48 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Bad email, good beer On Thu, Aug 14, 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > Matt, nd (or would be if I wasn't at work) Weissbeer... mmm... great in > hot weather... I just spent a week in New Orleans and ended up drinking more Hoegaarden than anything. It's everywhere there, and cheap too. I love that stuff. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:49:54 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: MK&A (No RH) Was just looking at the cover of the latest Rolling Stone magazine (drooooooooooooooooool). Does anyone else think that Mary Kate and Ashley Olson /strongly/ resemble gelflings? = s&th hooligan@apostate.com "love can kill people, can't it? well, it still may kill me each drop of rain is a glass of champagne it's sweet and it's free when i drink i don't panic when i drink i don't die when i'm far gone, it's all just a song just beautiful lies" -"my sentimental melody" the magnetic fields ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:55:59 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Bad email, good beer I do believe this, though counts as No.2 in my all-time worst threads: any other techie posts... Grrr Matt >From: Ken Weingold >Reply-To: Ken Weingold >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Bad email, good beer >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:42:22 -0400 > >On Thu, Aug 14, 2003, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > I9m currently transitioning from mail.app to Entourage X at work. I blame > > the goofy formatting, and pretty much every other problem in the world, on > > Entourage X. And yes, it has me totally farging annoyed. Exchange support, > > my ass. Please, please, Apple, release Panther tomorrow. > >What I cannot stand with Entourage (for 9 or X) is that apostrohpes >come out as superscript 1's for me. > >But either way, why would you want Exchange to support your ass? Yoiu >sending dingleberries as email attachments or something? ;-) > > >-Ken - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Be creative - with MSN 8 you can use graphics and photos in your emails ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:32:41 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: don't shoot me, I'm only the keyboard typer (dull, boring, political) On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > As you note, farming is not currently profitable (except for > megacorporate farmers - actually, because of megacorporate farmers) - > but does this mean, what, we should just let all farmers bankrupt? > Presumably, then, we would either survive on grubs and soil, or all > learn to farm for ourselves, or...? I'm not at home, so I can't cite any > sources right now, but...traditional economics has a pretty poor score > at describing how things actually work - particularly at the mega-macro > scale, such as the IMF and its completely wack formulations of what's > supposed to go on Stiglitz's book "Globalization and its discontents" is a sustained attack on the IMF by a prof who was chief economist at the World Bank. Well worth reading. However, globalization has to mean globalization if it is going to work. At the moment, there is no such thing as free trade in agricultural produce, because the Europeans and Americans unfairly subsidise agriculture so that the countries which have the greatest advantage in producing agricultural products can't sell them in the rich markets. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:52:48 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: WARNING: 100% RH content Continuing the thread. Apologies to Eb. Matt earnestly scribbled: >Trash about Kimberley - ouch! Surely not? Yeah, I found that hard to believe as well. >I Used To Love You - must be about Syd, no? That's what everyone said when it came out. > >I've always wondered who Clean Steve was... any clues? I know Mark Ellen >appears... and surely Robyn *must* have written a song about Zimmy...? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. Maybe there's one about Bob disguised as a song about something else and no one's picked up on it yet? Wasn't "The Man Who Invented Himself" inspired by _Life of Brian_? - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:10:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Blender magazine's 50 worst acts of all time Not a very credible list, actually...and I'm not just saying that because I own albums by six of these acts. ;) In fact, in some cases, I object to the inclusion of acts whose albums I *don't* own (i.e., Kansas, Oingo Boingo, Arrested Development, Japan) more than acts whose albums I *do* own (i.e., ELP, Rick Wakeman and Iron Butterfly). I'd be curious to read their rationale for including the Doors...that's just wacky, man. Even if Morrison's pretensions *do* get on your nerves...among the all-time worst? Come on. Thank heavens they remembered to put Skinny Puppy on there, though. ;) Eb, who will never understand why the first Tin Machine album is so lambasted > 1. Insane Clown Posse > 2. Emerson, Lake and Palmer > 3. Michael Bolton > 4. Kenny G > 5. Starship > 6. Kansas > 7. Asia > 8. Vanilla Ice > 9. Lee Greenwood > 10. Air Supply > 11. Latoya Jackson > 12. Tin Machine > 13. Mick Jagger > 14. Yngwie Malmsteen > 15. Yanni > 16. Oingo Boingo > 17. Benzino > 18. Pat Boone > 19. Dan Fogelberg > 20. Howard Jones > 21. The Alan Parsons Project > 22. Primus > 23. Creed > 24. Bad English > 25. Jamiroquai > 26. Celine Dion > 27. Colour Me Bad > 28. Crash Test Dummies > 29. Skinny Puppy > 30. Richard Marx > 31. Arrested Development > 32. The Hooters > 33. Japan > 34. Live > 35. Paul Oakenfold > 36. 98 Degrees > 37. The Doors > 38. Nelson > 39. Bob Geldof > 40. Blind Melon > 41. Whitesnake > 42. Rick Wakeman > 43. Mike and the Mechanics > 44. Manowar > 45. Gipsy Kings > 46. The Spin Doctors > 47. Goo Goo Dolls > 48. Master P > 49. Toad the Wet Sprocket > 50. Iron Butterfly ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #307 ********************************