From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #301 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, August 11 2003 Volume 12 : Number 301 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: songs about . . . ["da9ve stovall" ] hot ["Marc Holden" ] RE: songs about . . . [Eb ] Re: muses [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: muses [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Throwing Muses [Johnathan Vail ] Re: Throwing Muses ["Glen Uber" ] Re: muses [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Throwing Muses [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: hot [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Throwing Muses [Sebastian Hagedorn ] re: Hot [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Muses [Tom Clark ] re: Californeyah [Carrie Galbraith ] a meme for you (since the list seems slow) ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Throwing Muses [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Mountain Goats (No Robyn) [Sweet & Tender Hooligan ] Re: Throwing Muses [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Throwing Muses ["Iosso, Ken" ] Re: Throwing Muses ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Mountain Goats (No Robyn) [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Throwing Muses [Tom Clark ] RE: Mountain Goats (No Robyn) [Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: RE: songs about . . . >I've been asked to research a topic for a possible article. My brother >wants to illustrate it. The article he suggested is rock songs and the >people who inspired them. I'm sure somebody else will mention these as well, but Patty (Patti?) Hearst shows up in at least two rock songs: Warren Zevon's "Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner" and Camper van Beethoven's "Tania" - the latter of which is entirely about her. If ya have a bit over 50,000 bucks to spare, you might be able to find out who Carly Simon really wrote "You're So Vain" about - - but then again, according to the rules, you wouldn't be able to tell anyone. John Lennon wrote a bunch of songs about specific people: John Sinclair, Angela (Davis), Oh Yoko (duh), How Do You Sleep? (McCartney). I can probably check in later with a list of several dozen, given access to my CD shelves. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:13:10 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: hot It hit 100 F in London today. I'm impressed. Keep up the good work Britain, and you'll be coming to Arizona to cool down ;^) This is by no means official, but I just checked the digital thermometer on my front porch, and it just switched from 121.9 F to 122 F (50 C !). I think I need to get a more accurate one or a cooler porch. It might be right though. A nearby National Weather Service station had a reading of 117 F. Think cool thoughts and drink plenty of fluids (unfortunately, not alcohol), okay UK? Later, Marc "but it's a dry heave" Holden Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:16:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: songs about . . . >If ya have a bit over 50,000 bucks to spare, you might be able >to find out who Carly Simon really wrote "You're So Vain" about >- but then again, according to the rules, you wouldn't be able >to tell anyone. The secret already "sold," you know...to network exec Dick Ebersol. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:43:56 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: muses >I've been asked to research a topic for a possible article. My brother >wants to illustrate it. The article he suggested is rock songs and the >people who inspired them. There's the famous "Layla", where Eric Clapton >is singing to George Harrison's wife Patti. And there's Dylan's "Like a >Rolling Stone" and "Leopardskin Pillbox Hat", which it has been >suggested were written about Edie Sedgewick. Anyone have any others? whatacanoworms! "Old brown shoe" is also about Patti, as are "Wonderful tonight" and GH's quoting of the song "Sorrow" in "It's all too much". John Lennon's "Julia" is about his mother, although the words "Ocean Child" refer to Yoko. Paul McC wrote about his mother, too, in "Let it Be". >"Marilyn", about Monroe - Gumball and "Happy Endings" by Bored Games, and of course "Candle in the wind" >The Velvets probably did, too. They also did at least one about Mary Woronov. And Lou Reed's "Walk on the wild side" is about Candy Darling and various other Factory hangers-on. >If it's not limited to people, McCartney also wrote two songs about two >different sheepdogs: "Martha My Dear" and "Jet." Meanwhile Blondie's "Sunday girl" is about a cat. Eno's "Blank Frank" is reputedly about that other B.F., Mr Ferry. The Hollies' song "Carrie Anne" is about Marianne Faithfull, whereas the Rolling Stones' "Angie" is about Angie Bowie. And then there are about a squillion others... This could go on all week. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: muses Barbara wrote: >> I've been asked to research a topic for a possible >> article. My brother wants to illustrate it. The article >> he suggested is rock songs and the people who inspired >> them. "Black and White Boy" by Crowded House is about Neil Finn's dalmatian, Lester. He's also written a buttload of songs about his wife. Tim Finn supposedly wrote "Charlie" (and a few others) about Phil Judd. June Carter Cash wrote "Ring of Fire" about her future husband Johnny Cash (who, of course, recorded it first). The Cure's "Lovesong" was written as a wedding present by Robert Smith to Mary Poole; "Cut Here" is about Billy MacKenzie of the Associates. The Smiths: "William, It was Really Nothing" also is allegedly about Billy MacKenzie. (and the Associates supposedly wrote "Steven, You're Really Something" as a retort.) Morrissey: "A Swallow on My Neck" is supposedly about Moz's "is-he-or-isn't-he boyfriend of the mid-90's" Jake. R.E.M.: "Let Me In" is about Kurdt. Nirvana: "Moist Vagina" is about Courtney Love; "About a Girl" is about Tracy something who was KC's then girlfriend. ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is theyre too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:36:36 -0400 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Songs inspired by real people: Hey Jude: Julian Lennon Ruby Tuesday: a groupie? I forget the story now... Most Pink Floyd songs and albums pre-Wall: Syd Barret. RH's Mr Kennedy: Sebadoh's Driver from the Lips MABD tour. jv <- scratchin the ol noggin for more. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:49:48 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Johnathan earnestly scribbled: >Hey Jude: Julian Lennon "Too Late For Goodbye": John L. >Ruby Tuesday: a groupie? I forget the story now... I always wondered who the inspiration for the song "Bitch" was. ;) >Most Pink Floyd songs and albums pre-Wall: Syd Barret. Most of the Wall and Final Cut: Papa Waters. >RH's Mr Kennedy: Sebadoh's Driver from the Lips MABD tour. "Flesh Cartoons" was about Linda Ryan. I assume "Cynthia Mask" was about Cynthia. Then there's the glut of songs about Michele ("Dark Princess," et. al.). Elton John's "Your Song" was written by Bernie Taupin for his father. The Dead's "Box of Rain" was written by Phil Lesh about *his* father. I won't even get started on all the songs Bocephus wrote about his "daddy". BTW, I always thought "You're So Vain" could have been about David Geffen. - -- Cheers! - -g- "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:24:59 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: muses Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > June Carter Cash wrote "Ring of Fire" about her future > husband Johnny Cash (who, of course, recorded it first). I always thought it was about a bad case of clap Johnny contracted after anal sex with a Tijuana whore. "Pop! Goes the Weasel" is about the Emperor Diocletian. And _Tales from Topographic Oceans_ is about a footnote in some Yogi's autobiography. ..Jeff, thinking this message is about 15 lines too long J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat :: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum :: temporo-spatial anomaly. :: --Crow T. Maslow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Glen Uber wrote: > Johnathan earnestly scribbled: > > >Hey Jude: Julian Lennon > > "Too Late For Goodbye": John L. > > >Ruby Tuesday: a groupie? I forget the story now... > > I always wondered who the inspiration for the song > "Bitch" was. ;) > > >Most Pink Floyd songs and albums pre-Wall: Syd Barret. > > Most of the Wall and Final Cut: Papa Waters. > > >RH's Mr Kennedy: Sebadoh's Driver from the Lips MABD > >tour. > > "Flesh Cartoons" was about Linda Ryan. I assume "Cynthia > Mask" was about Cynthia. Then there's the glut of songs > about Michele ("Dark Princess," et. al.). > > Elton John's "Your Song" was written by Bernie Taupin for > his father. The Dead's "Box of Rain" was written by Phil > Lesh about *his* father. I won't even get started on all > the songs Bocephus wrote about his "daddy". The opening and closing tracks on Lush's _Split_ were written by Miki Berenyi ("Light From a Dead Star") and Emma Anderson ("When I Die") about their respective fathers. > BTW, I always thought "You're So Vain" could have been > about David Geffen. > > -- > > Cheers! > -g- > > "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and > an airline. It > helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some > nuclear weapons, > but at the very least you need a beer." > --Frank Zappa ===== "Pentagon officials says Americanizing Iraq is difficult because Iraqis have had little to no reliable information for the past 35 years, and have lived on a diet of innuendo, rumor, conspiracy theories, fear, and propaganda. Sounds like the problem is theyre too Americanized." -- Bill Maher "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:50:32 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: hot - --On Sonntag, 10. August 2003 15:13 Uhr -0700 Marc Holden wrote: > Think cool thoughts > and drink plenty of fluids (unfortunately, not alcohol), okay UK? Make that Europe ... we also have the hottest summer since temperatures are recorded on our hands. What's worse, there's basically no air conditioning over here. And if there is, it's not designed for prolonged periods with temperatures > 32 degrees Celsius. Thursday night we had to shut down all our (Cologne University's) servers, because the air conditioning for the server room had been turned off ... Well, it looks like we have the worst behind us. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:53:05 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Throwing Muses - --On Sonntag, 10. August 2003 18:49 Uhr -0700 Glen Uber wrote: > Elton John's "Your Song" was written by Bernie Taupin for his father. Really?? Makes you wonder what kind of relationship they had!? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:54:17 +0200 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: re: Hot On Lunedl, ago 11, 2003, at 09:50 Europe/Rome, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > --On Sonntag, 10. August 2003 15:13 Uhr -0700 Marc Holden > wrote: > >> Think cool thoughts >> and drink plenty of fluids (unfortunately, not alcohol), okay UK? > > Make that Europe ... we also have the hottest summer since > temperatures are recorded on our hands. What's worse, there's > basically no air conditioning over here. And if there is, it's not > designed for prolonged periods with temperatures > 32 degrees Celsius. > Thursday night we had to shut down all our (Cologne University's) > servers, because the air conditioning for the server room had been > turned off ... > > Well, it looks like we have the worst behind us. We've been clocking in at around 36 - 38C (mid to high 90s) but what's killing us is the humidity. It's hovering around 50 - 70% humidity on this little island in the upper corner of the Adriatic. And it's absolutely unbearable. Of course no a/c. Cheer up Europe, they say it's only going to last into September... Missing my cool gray city of love near the bay. - - Ethyl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:20:24 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Muses on 8/9/03 1:03 PM, Glen Uber at apostrophe@cruxofthebiscuit.com wrote: >> Oh, and didn't The Cult do a song about Edie Sedgewick also? > > The Velvets probably did, too. They also did at least one about Mary Woronov. Really? I don't remember her mentioning anything like that in "Swimming Underground". Can you dig up an example? Oh, and the Cult song was "Edie (Ciao Baby)" from "Sonic Temple" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:34:27 +0200 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: re: Californeyah On Domenica, ago 10, 2003, at 00:34 Europe/Rome, James Dignan wrote: >> To the rest of the world: I apologize for my native state. Feel free >> to >> laugh out loud. > > at the risk of being flamed way to Hell and back, what with your > country's > leadership being as it is, the problems of any individual state - even > a > biggie like CA - pale into insignificance. > > If it has any sense, north California should secede from the south > now. As > for the candidates, what a pity Sonny Bono went skiing, or he could > have > added to the confusion! This has been an issue since my mother was a kid in Long Beach back in the 30s and 40s! I remember it was an issue when I was growing up in LA. And my NoCal friends, when I moved there, used to always tell me that SoCal was the "bad" part of Cal and that they wanted to split the state. Never happen, much as we might want it to (ok, i think i'm a northerner but I know I can never get the freeways out of my blood). Sonny may be gone but the mayor of Carmel-by-the-Sea is still alive and kicking. And grimacing as well. Of course, maybe you got to have a name to run for Governor. The Man With No Name doesn't cut it but I might just vote for the Outlaw Josey Wales... Beats Governator. Be Seeing You, - - ethyl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:37:09 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: a meme for you (since the list seems slow) It's hard for me to gauge how slow the list is, but I haven't gotten a digest for a while... So anyway. On another list that I'm on, there's a girl who is constantly talking about how she was at a show, drinking a beer, and a semi-well-known musician asked her jokingly if she was "bustin' a 40" (as in a 40-ounce, presumably). She will not shut up about this - she has it in her signature, brags about it constantly, etc. So me and Jane the soon-to-be-former Timeline Chick decided to start using the phrase "bustin' a 40" to refer to the act of bragging about meeting someone famous. For instance, I might say, "Man, I was at the Zine Symposium last week and I was talking to this guy about music, and I was going on and on about how I met Kurt Bloch, I met Robyn, I met Scott McCaughey... I was totally bustin' a 40." You'll find that the phrase "bustin' a 40" rolls easily off the tongue and is useful in many situations. I plan on using it as often as possible and I urge you all to do so as well. Just spreading memes to the kids, n. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:51:53 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Throwing (out suggestions for rock songs and their) Muses Jeff D: >> Having lived near the indignity of the Noel Burke-era >>Bunnymen (regardless of how the album turned out, they should >>never have called it E&TB), I can't imagine Mac would have even >>given them the time of day. I'd sort of forgotten that. Yes, it could be an actual matter of *principle* for Mac. And that's just kind of odd. If Doe and Carroll et. al. are just writing tunes for Astbury... dude, not a big vote of confidence for Astbury when Manzarek and Krieger aren't sure his lyrics are up to snuff. ____ JeFFrey: >>Oh - and there's been a big to-do about who exactly inspired Carly Simon >>to write "You're So Vain" (best contender: Warren Beatty). I think she's doing a "celebrity auction" of the "definitive answer" to that question. Um, couldn't she still just lie? Musical muses and the songs they inspired... indeed a lot of these. Let's start with: "One L", Robyn Hitchcock And then the various Yoko songs by John Lennon. And "How Do You Sleep" for Paul. "Sara" by Bob Dylan, for his ex-wife, the lyrics to which state that "Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" was also written for her. Lots of actress/actor songs. "Candle in the Wind V1.0" for Monroe again, of course. Back over to Robyn, "Don't Talk to Me About Gene Hackman". Montgomery Cliff has at least two, The Clash's "The Right Profile" and REM's "Monty Got a Raw Deal". REM also has "Man on the Moon" for Andy Kaufman. Dead rock stars always get bunches of them. "Empty Garden" about Lennon, "About a Boy" for Kurt Cobain (erm, that'd be the one with Patti Smith, not Hugh Grant). Andy Warhol has a Bowie tune named after him (as does Dylan), not to mention a whole Warhol album by Lou Reed & John Cale. People write songs for their kids... see Lennon yet again. But most of these songs suck pretty badly, for being more self-congratulatory than affectionate. That Creed song with the cow-voiced guy wheezing about his son and stuff makes me want to kill myself even more than I normally do. Most of the good ones are by mothers. "Lions & Tigers" by Sleater-Kinney is very sweet, as is "Flood" by Throwing Muses (whom I had to mention in this thread). Some people write songs about their parents: Mike Watt did a whole album about his dad. Political figures? Yes indeed, although they're usually being burned in effigy. "Stand Down Margaret", "Old Mother Reagan"... Ronnie and Maggie are probably in a dead heat for most pilloried figures in rock music. There are even the occasional positive tunes, like the Byrds' "He Was a Friend of Mine" about Kennedy. Fine arts people, too. We were just talking about Billy Bragg's "Cindy of 1000 Lives" for photographer Cindy Sherman. Robyn's got "DeChirico Street". Richman had "Pablo Picasso". Don MacLean had that Van Gogh thing. Gabriel's "Mercy Street" is for Anne Sexton. Peter Laughner did "Sylvia Plath". And historical figures. Seems like someone wrote a song about Jesus that one time. What I'd like to see is how many songs can be played in a sequence whereby each song refers to the artist who wrote the previous one. Best I can do is start off with a Big Star tune, move on to "Alex Chilton" by the Replacements, and follow that with "We're the Replacements" by They Might Be Giants. OR: we could start with either Aerosmith or Zepplin, then "Aero Zepplin" by Nirvana; next up "About a Boy" by Patti Smith, then "When She Sang About Angels" by the Go-Betweens. Can't think of a song about the Go-Betweens but maybe I'll write one. Or you could go from Nirvana to "Nirvana" by Julianna Hatfield, who must certainly have a few Evan Dando songs written about her. This kind of stuff can go on for a while. Please put me to shame. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Throwing (out suggestions for rock songs and their) Muses > Political figures? Yes indeed, although they're > usually being burned in > effigy. Morrissey - Margaret On The Guilotine REM - Ignoreland (George H.W. Bush) That is my 2 cents.... back to starting up my iPod. Mike ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:00:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Throwing Muses on 8/10/03 6:49 PM, Glen Uber at apostrophe@cruxofthebiscuit.com wrote: >> RH's Mr Kennedy: Sebadoh's Driver from the Lips MABD tour. > > "Flesh Cartoons" was about Linda Ryan. I assume "Cynthia Mask" was about > Cynthia. Then there's the glut of songs about Michele ("Dark Princess," > et. al.). > And "Brenda's Iron Sledge" is about Thatcher, no? - -tc, now with new haircut ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:04:41 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Throwing Muses On Montag, 11. August 2003, at 20:00 Uhr, Tom Clark wrote: > on 8/10/03 6:49 PM, Glen Uber at apostrophe@cruxofthebiscuit.com wrote: > >>> RH's Mr Kennedy: Sebadoh's Driver from the Lips MABD tour. >> >> "Flesh Cartoons" was about Linda Ryan. I assume "Cynthia Mask" was >> about >> Cynthia. Then there's the glut of songs about Michele ("Dark >> Princess," >> et. al.). >> > > And "Brenda's Iron Sledge" is about Thatcher, no? > I think so. Elvis Costello also wrote "Tramp The Dirt Down" about her. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:09:43 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: Mountain Goats (No Robyn) Is anyone here familiar with The Mountain Goats? Great, great stuff. More or less acoustic music, sometimes a little abstract, nasally vocals, quotable lyrics and lots of great stories. I recently purchased "Tallahassee" blind (on the recommendation of a friend) and was utterly enchanted. The next purchase was "The Coroner's Gambit," which pretty much solidified my obsession with the band, and this morning I placed an order for "Full Force Galesburg." Anyway, I'm asking around because this band has a very extensive catalogue of titles, and I'm unsure which direction to go, whether there are any albums I ought to avoid, etc. = s&th hooligan@apostate.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Throwing Muses - - Neil Young's "Sleeps With Angels" is about Kurt, no? - - Dan Bern's "Kurt" - umm, its about Kurt - - Kurt's suicide note referred to Neil Young's "Hey Hey My My", but that's not really pertinent to the topic, just an aside (but an interesting loop nonetheless). Here's another interesting "back and forth" with songs: Someone once told me that Jill Sobule's "Good Person Inside" was about Dan Bern, and that his song "I'm Not The Guy" was written in response to Jill about that song (the two of them were a couple for a short time). Jill has since denied that the song is about Dan, but you know what they say about de Nile. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:25:56 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Throwing Muses On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > And "Brenda's Iron Sledge" is about Thatcher, no? No, we've been round this one before. "Brenda" is standard Private Eye lingo for Queen Elizabeth II. > -tc, now with new haircut Mmm, suits you! I mean, you over 40s don't want to choose anything too juvenile... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:28:51 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Throwing Muses Who the hell is Dan Bern? "Hey Jude" of course is about Julian, "Beautiful Boy" is about Sean and the new one by Paul Simon is about his daughter. "Forever Young" by Dylan is to his daughter I think also. There seem to be so many options here it's endless. Maybe we could focus on some sub-category - songs about someone the writer hates, songs declaring love while using the subject's real name, tributes to great people - "Biko," "Nelson Mandela," "Abraham, Martin, John." I think the most intriguing category would be songs about someone which don't mention the person's name, but by putting the references together, we can figure out exactly who it is. "How do you sleep?" being an obvious case in point. Ken Iosso -----Original Message----- From: John Barrington Jones [mailto:jbjones@pdx.edu] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:15 PM To: Fegs Glorious Fegs Subject: Re: Throwing Muses - - Neil Young's "Sleeps With Angels" is about Kurt, no? - - Dan Bern's "Kurt" - umm, its about Kurt - - Kurt's suicide note referred to Neil Young's "Hey Hey My My", but that's not really pertinent to the topic, just an aside (but an interesting loop nonetheless). Here's another interesting "back and forth" with songs: Someone once told me that Jill Sobule's "Good Person Inside" was about Dan Bern, and that his song "I'm Not The Guy" was written in response to Jill about that song (the two of them were a couple for a short time). Jill has since denied that the song is about Dan, but you know what they say about de Nile. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:33:38 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Throwing Muses John earnestly scribbled: >- Kurt's suicide note referred to Neil Young's "Hey Hey My My", but that's >not really pertinent to the topic, just an aside (but an interesting loop >nonetheless). How can that be? Is there a different, post-1995 version I'm not aware of? >Here's another interesting "back and forth" with songs: >Someone once told me that Jill Sobule's "Good Person Inside" was about Dan >Bern, and that his song "I'm Not The Guy" was written in response to Jill >about that song (the two of them were a couple for a short time). More "back and forth": Steely Dan had the line, "Turn up the Eagles, the neighbors are listening" in "Everything You Did". In response, the Eagles included the line "They stab it with their Steely knives..." in "Hotel California". There was a female country artist named Jane Morgan who recorded a song called "A Girl Named Johnny Cash". - -- Cheers! - -g- "In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments -- there are Consequences." - --R.G. Ingersoll ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:35:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Mountain Goats (No Robyn) On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Sweet & Tender Hooligan wrote: > Anyway, I'm asking around because this band has a very extensive > catalogue of titles, and I'm unsure which direction to go, whether there > are any albums I ought to avoid, etc. Personally, I would probably recommend the three compilations (Protein Source Of The Future, Bitter Melon Farm and Ghana) first; there are no horrible missteps in his career for you to avoid, but Nine Black Poppies is short without being especially good, and All Hail West Texas felt a little weak to me, so I guess you could avoid those. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:39:22 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Throwing Muses on 8/11/03 11:25 AM, Michael R Godwin at M.R.Godwin@bath.ac.uk wrote: > On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Tom Clark wrote: >> And "Brenda's Iron Sledge" is about Thatcher, no? > > No, we've been round this one before. "Brenda" is standard Private Eye > lingo for Queen Elizabeth II. > Of course, of course. I know there's a detailed deconstruction in the archives someplace... >> -tc, now with new haircut > > Mmm, suits you! I mean, you over 40s don't want to choose anything too > juvenile... > > Thanks! I've always wanted the spiked mohawk, so I figured "what the hell?" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:05:13 -0700 From: Sweet & Tender Hooligan Subject: RE: Mountain Goats (No Robyn) > Personally, I would probably recommend the > three compilations (Protein Source Of The Future, > Bitter Melon Farm and Ghana) first; Hrm. I don't usually purchase compilations, as they become redundant once I amass the rest of the albums. Are there tracks on these albums unavailable anywhere else? > there are no horrible missteps in his career for you to > avoid, but Nine Black Poppies is short without being > especially good, Yeah, I nearly ordered it before noticing that there are only, like, six songs on it. > and All Hail West Texas felt a > little weak to me Ah. I had that one kinda earmarked as my next buy, so perhaps I'll push it a bit further back until I've looked into some of the others. I take it, then, that this band is a one-man show, more or less? I was trying to describe the sound to a friend this morning, and the best I could come up with is "NMH meets Violent Femmes." Perhaps a dash of TMBG. Thanks for the recommendations. :^) = s&th hooligan@apostate.com "i hope when you think of me years down the line you can't find one good thing to say and i hope that if i find the strength to walk out you'd stay the hell out of my way i am drowning! there is no sign of land you are coming down with me hand in unloveable hand" -"no children," the mountain goats ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #301 ********************************