From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #294 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, August 2 2003 Volume 12 : Number 294 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ancient feg history [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] The Man Who Invented Rock 'n' Roll [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Re: The Man Who Invented Rock 'n' Roll [Michael R Godwin ] "dreamy" Elliott Smith [carole reichstein ] phillips etc. ["ross taylor" ] Re: extream follie ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) ["Rex.Broome" ] Found on the Rhino Handmade message board [Eb ] Also found on Rhino site [Eb ] Re: Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:07:39 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: ancient feg history >>kind of feg-stalker! and now a BeeGees song! "F-f-f-feg-stalking..." you guys are sure quoting some strange songs lately. Then again... >called "The Extream Follie of Mr. Teacup-Head." "He's the man... with the teacup head..." - --- >> > Oh, and I think JBJ was the first feg I ever met >> > knowing I was meeting a feg. >> >> I think Stewart is the only feg I have met. > >I've never met a feg qua feg. That is, I've met several people on this >list...but only because I met them through that *other* list that I've been >on consistently since '93 or so. the only feg people I've met are lurkers, i think: Kevin Welton, and Jennifer (whose surname eludes me), who is a friend of Melissa's. That may be it. I have met a couple of other people from other lists, but as far as I know none of them are also here. Certainly none of the regular posters have ever jogged over to my place late at night to borrow some tinfoil. >I think the first feg artifact I ever done received was a copy of The >Go-Betweens' "Tallulah" sent to me by James back when it was only in print >antipodally. hm. now that's a tougher one... woj sent me a tape of Mountain Stage 93 and the A&M Covers back in early 95 - that would probably be the first feg-connected item, but I could have missed something earlier. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:29:44 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: The Man Who Invented Rock 'n' Roll >I realise that there were a few earlier singles like "Rocket 88" >which are >claimed to be the original rock'n'roll record, but I think Sam >Phillips >was the man who really established rock'n'roll on a big scale. Tut, tut, Godders. Sam 'The Man Who Invented Rock 'n' Roll' Phillips produced that one as well! Ike Turner, Jackie Brenston's band leader was always pissed off that Jackie's was the name on the platter. Phillips' major contribution to the ditty was *not* fixing the misbehaving amp that had fallen off the band's auto' on the way to the studio. He utilised the accidental fuzztone to great effect. Generally, Ike acted as a scout for Phillips, and introduced him to one Chester Burnett, aka Howlin' Wolf (though fans of the cow thread will be pleased to note that Chester was also known as Bull Cow earlier in his career. Doesn't have quite the same ring...). Phillips deserves as much credit for cultivating blues talent as he does for introducing Elvis, The Man In Black, The Killer et al to the world. Just listened to Elvis' Sun sessions again...Quite simply they are amongst the greatest recordings ever made... Am playing a three-in-a-row tribute to Sam on my radio show today, featuring his three favourite artists who recorded for him - Wolf, Presley and the much-underrated Charlie Rich. There have been few more important people in rock music than Sam Phillips (OK, I'll lose the phoney objectivity. I think Sam Phillips was the most important person ever in rock history.) RIP indeed. Crowbar Joe PS. Billy Riley is how he's credited on his Sun Singles. He adopted the Lee later. Perhaps because it made him more 'Sun sounding' in his later, less successful days. After all Jerry *Lee* Lewis began his career at 706 as Billy's piano player. True dat. Saw Billy in 1979 then again in 2001. A gap I only equalled a couple of nights ago when I saw the Blasters for the first time in 22 years. They were very good. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:23:43 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The Man Who Invented Rock 'n' Roll On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com wrote: > Tut, tut, Godders. Sam 'The Man Who Invented Rock 'n' Roll' Phillips > produced that one as well! Whoops! I always thought Sam Phillips was influential from 1953, but I didn't know he went back as far as 1951. Incidentally, I was wondering when Chuck Berry actually _wrote_ his early songs: "Been to Yokohama been a fighting in the war Army bunk army chow army clothes army car" Even assuming that he is referring to the Korean War, it still pushes it back much further than 'Maybelline' (released 1955). > Phillips deserves as much credit for cultivating blues talent as he does > for introducing Elvis, The Man In Black, The Killer et al to the world. > Just listened to Elvis' Sun sessions again...Quite simply they are > amongst the greatest recordings ever made... I saw Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup once, in a pub near the Elephant and Castle. I was slightly disillusioned to find that he could only play two of the three chords in a 12-bar blues - he just ran his finger up the bass string for the third chord. He was backed by Bob Hall and (I think) Dave Kelly, and he played the songs wou would expect. Never saw Elvis though! > Am playing a three-in-a-row tribute to Sam on my radio show today, > featuring his three favourite artists who recorded for him - Wolf, > Presley and the much-underrated Charlie Rich. Next time sneak in "Ooby dooby" by Roy Orbison for me! And "Right string baby but the wrong yo yo" by Carl Perkins. > There have been few more important people in rock music than Sam > Phillips (OK, I'll lose the phoney objectivity. I think Sam Phillips was > the most important person ever in rock history.) RIP indeed. PS. Billy > Riley is how he's credited on his Sun Singles. He adopted the Lee later. > Perhaps because it made him more 'Sun sounding' in his later, less > successful days. After all Jerry *Lee* Lewis began his career at 706 as > Billy's piano player. True dat. Saw Billy in 1979 then again in 2001. Wow! I'm really impressed. I won't mention that I saw Gene Vincent on his last UK tour at the Fishmongers Arms Wood Green, or you'll think I'm being competitive. > A gap I only equalled a couple of nights ago when I saw the > Blasters for the first time in 22 years. They were very good. Was it really that long ago? They played Chippenham Gold Diggers supporting Nick Lowe's Cowboy Outfit. That was a memorable evening because the Attractions turned up unannounced for a try-out of material from "Imperial Bedroom". I haven't got a tape (curses curses), but my memory tells me that the songs sounded much better live than they do on the over-produced, compressed album. - - Mike "Old Boy" Godwin n.p. Beat Farmers "Bigger stones" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:14:54 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: extream follie Stewart C. Russell wrote: > This album is actually a rather sweet little story. You can hear it in > its entirety here: > Must have more Ivor Cutler recordings. Who is this strange and wonderful storyteller? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: carole reichstein Subject: "dreamy" Elliott Smith Hee! Okay, so I've thought about this too much. Why do women swoon over Elliott Smith, who on a bad day looks like Frankenstein? It's because of the "Leonard Cohen" effect. Back in the day, Leonard Cohen had quite a way with the ladies, but it wasn't because he looked like Mick Jagger. Rather, his soulful singing and lyrics made him more attractive. In "Chelsea Hotel" he explains, "We're ugly but we have the music." Elliott Smith is wonderful to listen to when you have--or have had--a broken heart. And who hasn't? His unkemptness, shyness and grungy quality just make me want to take him home, feed him a good meal, draw him a bath, and tell him it'll all be okay. My two cents! Randi, how did you like Rush?? ;) xxx Carole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:08:58 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: phillips etc. Funny that Sam Phillips must've started out as an "old guy" dealing w/ youngsters, but he out lived most of them. Except Johnny Cash, who started out looking & sounding 100 years old. - --- Thanx to Rex for the details on Greendale. I'm definitely looking forward to it, maybe even the DVD. In one year I missed good NY and Television performances. I must be old. - --- Jeme-- >And don't even ask about the story of ping. A lovely illustrated story about a Chinese duck who gets lost because a major hub was down and is almost eaten. - --- Interesting Firesign Theatre & Buffy convergence: 1974's "Everything You Know is Wrong" features a small-town western Hellmouth. Ross Taylor I was lurking by 1997 Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:35:49 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: extream follie Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > Must have more Ivor Cutler recordings. > > Who is this strange and wonderful storyteller? Ahh, Ivor. I've been a fan of Ivor's for longer than of anyone else. Of all the easily available recordings, I would recommend "Life in a Scotch Sitting Room, Vol. 2", which included the piece you heard on that show. It was recorded in front of a home crowd, and Ivor is in more than usually jovial form. "Ludo" is mostly musical pieces, recorded around the time he appeared in "Magical Mystery Tour". "Cute, hey?" isn't actually by Ivor, but is music he likes. I have all his CDs and most of his books. If you happen to buy one of his books in Foyle's, in London, you might chance upon a strange scrawl on the title page. That's Ivor's signature. It seems he likes to randomly sign his books, and re-shelve them. Since I went to school in the same area that Ivor grew up in, I know the places he alludes to. My accent is very similar to his, especially when I narrate anything. This is a shame, as if I recite anything I've written, it always sounds like I'm parodying Ivor. Which I'm not. Some vaguely useful information here: Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:06:28 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) Randi: >>Rex, Elliot Smith does appeal to this female, but through his lyrics rather >>than his looks. That I can understand, but his hairstyle seems to have been so influential that I thought it went beyond that. It should be noted, though, that it was legions of boys and not girls who decided to copy that hairstyle. Or did someone else have that hairstyle before him? It was a weird hairstyle. ______ Jeme: >>Weird. I know it's the circles in which I've travelled, but it really is >>a common word these days. I'll raise my hand as belonging to the until-recently-grep-ignorant crowd. Reminds me of the term "grok", which I think is Heinlein but had a certain currency amongst hippies at one time. Or so I'm told by Them What Were There. _____ Oh, and I should ammend my "meeting Fegs without knowing it" list to include Catherine Simpson, who I knew socially for some time before realizing she was on the list. I figured it out *after* meeting Jason T, Marc H and Eb at the Soft Boys Show last year, which explains my chronological snarl. I think I probably met her in 1999 or so. I actually found out she was a fan of Robyn when we were talking about childbirth over some Korean barbecue. Wheeee! I knew Glen was trying to borrow Hamish's bass player, but I didn't realize that the exchange consisted of Hamish just dropping the poor guy off on Glen's doorstep. Are you at least leaving him some Lunchables or something while he waits? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:24:28 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) Rex.Broome earnestly scribbled: >I knew Glen was trying to borrow Hamish's bass player, but I didn't realize >that the exchange consisted of Hamish just dropping the poor guy off on >Glen's doorstep. Are you at least leaving him some Lunchables or something >while he waits? Actually, I'm trying to borrow Hamish himself. I had intended to leave him some haggis and McEwan's, but I was running late that day. BTW, Grepping Eeyore would be a great name for a band. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:53:01 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) Glen: >>Actually, I'm trying to borrow Hamish himself. I had intended to leave >>him some haggis and McEwan's, but I was running late that day. Oh, yeah. Some of the information exchanged that night is perhaps a bit hazy for some reason. >>BTW, Grepping Eeyore would be a great name for a band. Yeah, but it would probably put you right between the locked horns of the legal juggernauts of Disney and the Milne estate... a scary place to be. Dicey Whiskey, though, I'm still mulling that one over. - -Rex "by the way, the waitress's name was Gina M." Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:46:55 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: RE: Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) Rex.Broome earnestly scribbled: >Yeah, but it would probably put you right between the locked horns of the >legal juggernauts of Disney and the Milne estate... a scary place to be. Yeah, and the *nix people will probably come after me, too. Grep isn't a copyrighted term, is it? >Dicey Whiskey, though, I'm still mulling that one over. I've actually used that in a new song I'm writing. >-Rex "by the way, the waitress's name was Gina M." Broome Wow! I can't believe you remember that. Of course, given where her nametag was, I can't say I blame you for having memorized it. I'm still thinking about the "hostess with the mostest" that Megan pointed out. She's gonna have back problems in a few years, I gay-ron-tee. - -- Cheers! - -g "What do you mean hazy? I stopped at one...okay, maybe it was one- thirty" u- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:18:50 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: Gr*pping E*yore (brief explicit udder content) >>>-Rex "by the way, the waitress's name was Gina M." Broome >Wow! I can't believe you remember that. Of course, given where her >nametag was, I can't say I blame you for having memorized it. Heh. Actually I just found my receipt from the Pasadena Brew Co. in my wallet yesterday, and there she was: "Your Server: Gina M". She made quite the impression what with the hurling shards of beer-slicked glass at us, it must be said. >>I'm still thinking about the "hostess with the mostest" that Megan >>pointed out. She's gonna have back problems in a few years, I gay-ron-tee. Yes, painful to behold. Yet another reason to be happy that my daughters aren't genetically predisposed to big-busted-ness. #1 Daughter renders the oft-used word "sippy cup" as "C-cup!" and we've had to break it to her that it just ain't in the cards. Backslid on my beer-avoidance yet still more last night when someone showed up to the recording session with some of those weird-ass Mississippi Mud "Black and Tans". Which are neither; discuss. - -Rex nd. bad coffee as usual, perhaps even worse than the norm, but essential ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:14:46 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Or did someone else have that hairstyle before him? It was a weird > hairstyle. It was a hairstyle? I thought it was just sorta, oh, this stuff? It grows on my head, and sometimes I put a ballcap over it. But it'd be funny if all the musical Smiths got together, esp. if they blended hairstyles (Elliott, Patti, Robert, Mark E. - and honorary Smith, Morrissey, just to make the hair weirder). What sort of strange beast would that create? > of Robyn when we were talking about childbirth over some Korean barbecue. Giving birth atop Korean barbecue? Man, those hippies have weird idears... ..Jeff, who has neither a borrower nor a lender of bassplayers been J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad lp: home-burned Swervedriver b-sides compilation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:38:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) >But it'd be funny if all the musical Smiths got together, esp. if they >blended hairstyles (Elliott, Patti, Robert, Mark E. - and honorary Smith, >Morrissey, just to make the hair weirder). Don't forget Kate! After all, she's much more listenable than Morrissey. ;) Never consciously occured to me before, how ill-served "Patti" is by the banality of her last name. Hm. Also never occured to me before that she was a Smith who married *another* Smith, correct? Random interesting reading: http://www.oceanstar.com/patti/bio/hxhorses.htm Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:26:54 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Photo for Stewart http://today.myway.com/user/id/08_01_2003.html Photo of the day on MyWay. It turns out I've driven through the three largest wind farms in the world - all in California. On our trip to AZ in May, the windmills around Palm Springs and Tehachpi were a godsend as they pacified our travel weary daughter at just the right time. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:14:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Found on the Rhino Handmade message board Enough of this soundtrack shyte, when are you guy gonna put out some more good, hard to find, bonus track laden, ROCK AND ROLL???? Almost the entire Robyn Hitchcock catalogue is out of print from your brethren at Rhino, how bout giving us another shot at those? - --- Phil Roberts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:00:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Also found on Rhino site Danny Sugerman, claiming that "No One Here Gets Out Alive" (his Jim Morrison biography) is the best-selling rock book of all time. This guy always came off like kind of a weasel...does this seem believable? Off the top of my head, I'd wonder about the relative sales of "I'm With the Band" and the Beatles/Anthology book.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Grepping Eeyore (brief implied placenta content) Eb wrote: > Never consciously occured to me before, how ill-served > "Patti" is by the banality of her last name. Hm. Well, that and the fact that most people think she was lead singer for Scandal. > Also never occured to me before that she was a Smith > who married *another* Smith, correct? Fred "Sonic" Smith. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:25:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Speaking of "Battle of the Network Stars"... ...there was another *classic* bit of kitschy TV history on the tube tonight. The Hallmark channel showed the legendary "punk-rock" episode of Quincy M.E.!! Wow. I don't remember whether I saw this 1982 episode when it was originally shown (and if I did, I wouldn't have much clue about the culture it portrayed), but it sure was a kick to see today. I've been steadily checking the Quincy-rerun synopses in weeks gone by, purely to see if this episode would turn up. Finally, it did! Here's a pile of online information about it: http://www.requestline.com/archive/sep97.htm I think folks try a leeeetle too hard to look cool and hardy-har-har smirk about how bad this episode is, because, really, I've seen worse approximations of "youth culture" on television. And actually, the music sounded more like "real punk" than most of the puppy-punk crap I hear on KROQ today. But still, the dialogue and visuals have some pretty good laughs. :) The Lorraine Ali piece at the above URL accents most of the same things which made *me* giggle, so be sure to check her link. In other silly news, someone informed me tonight about this whole "Star Wars Kid" cottage industry which has sprung up on the Web (for instance, http://www.jedimaster.net/) and on file-sharing systems. I had no idea.... (Unfortunately, none of the .wmv files at that site work right on my browser.) Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #294 ********************************