From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #287 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 26 2003 Volume 12 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dylan's Run ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Dylan's Run [Eb ] Re: [ebmaniax] Last night... [Capuchin ] Re: [ebmaniax] Last night... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [ebmaniax] Last night... [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Dylan's Run [Jeff Dwarf ] reap [Eb ] Re: stereo TV [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Dylan's Run [Elizabeth Brion ] Re: Shriekback and Barry Andrews [HSatterfld@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:38:08 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Dylan's Run James: >>My school soccer jersey was black with a single thick light blue hoop. >>We became nicknamed "The runners" while the TV series had its, um, run. Cool. The deal with the Logan's Run birthday party was that you were just to come wearing a black turtleneck or something similar. Upon entering, the hosts stuck two parallel, overlapping strips of standard gray duct tape across your chest. Not exact, but it very clearly got the idea across, especially with the movie playing on a loop in the background. ____ JeFFrey: >>Well, apparently Zimmy's coroner is planning yet another ghoulish event: >>see the poster at . Eek. Well hey, did anyone register that the Dylan-starring sci-fi comic book film epic (only half kidding) "Masked & Anonymous" was actually *released* today? In LA and NY, I think. The review I read makes it sound bad but maybe not quite as dreadful as you might expect. It really is set in a dystopian near-future with some kind of totalitarian US government vying with rebel forces in the streets. Or something. Odder still, apparently, the film makes references-- and this is just what I picked up from one review-- to Hendrix, Woodstock, Springsteen, McCartney, and other real-life music stars and events, and yet gives Dylan a fake name ("Jack Fate") and backstory... only to have him close the movie by preforming 8 Bob Dylan tunes, mostly well-known ones. Odd indeed. Okay, who's gonna take a bullet for Team Feg and go see this? I got kids, you know, don't get out much these days, gotta wash the fence and change the oil on the fridge or something... _______ Eb: >>Nelson's vocal talents became more understandable, when I found out >>that he used to be the singer for Harvey Danger, one of those flash-in- >>the-pan, one-hit-wonders from the height of the alt-rock boom. Ah yes, of "Flagpole Sitta" fame, right? For some reason I like that song better than any of the songs by the three- or four-hit wonders of that era, including the mysteriously-now-considered-important Weezer. I think I just liked the snarking on Rage Against the Machine and the, ummm, sense of the melody "lagging" a little behind the chord changes, which added some extra intrigue and tension. No, I never considered buying a Harvey Danger record but I just remember that as my "least hated song on the radio" for a while. >>Still, I don't believe *anyone* from the local pop-dork scene was there, >>which again made me groan about that scene's reactionary insistence >>that "pop" *must* be defined by overt, obsequious allusions to the >>same well-worn Hall of Fame influences. Now, I sure don't disagree with your sentiment in the least, but what kind of pop-dorks were you expecting, plain old fan boys, musicians, journalists, all of the above? Ah well... gotta go pick up my playbill for "Tales from the Greendaleographic Ocean"... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:42:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Dylan's Run >yet gives Dylan a fake name >("Jack Fate") and backstory... Some of youz might recall that Love & Theft was produced by "Jack Fate" as well.... > >>Still, I don't believe *anyone* from the local pop-dork scene was there, >>>which again made me groan about that scene's reactionary insistence >>>that "pop" *must* be defined by overt, obsequious allusions to the >>>same well-worn Hall of Fame influences. > >Now, I sure don't disagree with your sentiment in the least, but what kind >of pop-dorks were you expecting, plain old fan boys, musicians, journalists, >all of the above? The usual IPO/Poptopia/power-pop crowd. They're very easy to spot. Bell-bottoms, retro hair (shag or bangs), vacuous default smiles, a bit homely, prone to wear dress jackets over crummy T-shirts, always solitary males or attached to another of their species, an underlying whiff of subservient insecurity...and if there's one band on the bill which fits the power-pop formula and another which doesn't, they always skip out on the other. Also, you *only* see them at shows with pop-dork content. They're invisible little gnomes, the rest of the time. ;) Eb (condescending? me??) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: [ebmaniax] Last night... On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Eb wrote: > Nelson's vocal talents became more understandable, when I found out that > he used to be the singer for Harvey Danger, one of those > flash-in-the-pan, one-hit-wonders from the height of the alt-rock boom. > Ah well. I always got them confused with Marcy's Playground, myself. I believe that's simply "Marcy Playground". Personally, I can't see how you could confuse the two. Harvey Danger had a kinda cool indie release that got picked up by the big boys when "Flagpole Sitta" (a pretty good song that is much more genuinely mocking than the ironic tripe of the genre) became a hit while I'm pretty sure Marcy Playground was just some shitty college band that got a major deal out of the block and was dropped as fast and whose big single was just plain awful with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. By the way, Sean Nelson was hanging out at one of the Soft Boys gigs in Seattle and took the stage briefly at the end to play guitar. This was the show with that band with the costumes that was so great... err... I forget who it was. You know, YFF drummer and TPOTUSOA frontman. Anyway, those guys. I think that was the Halloween show last year, but I could be wrong. Hooey, that was good set, though... those first guys, I mean. You know, them Soft Boys weren't slouchin' neither. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:55:04 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [ebmaniax] Last night... Quoting Eb : > Nelson's vocal talents became more understandable, > when I found out that he used to be the singer for Harvey Danger, one > of those flash-in-the-pan, one-hit-wonders from the height of the > alt-rock boom. Ah well. I always got them confused with Marcy's > Playground, myself. First, please note that, as a result of having some friends over and cooking out some chicken over the grill, I'm rather drunk right now. That aside (and some typing problems), I'll say that Harvey Danger is much better than yr typical one-hit wonder band. Their wit expands beyond cleverness into insight, and musically their range, although somewhat limited, is enhanced by competence and intensity. (0h - and the artwork on the one album - the one with the wicked fucked-up print, done by the guy from Kicking Giant - is way cool.) Still, Eb's description makes me want to add The Long Winters to my way-too-long list of Artists to Check Out. ..Jeff, who spend way too much money earlier online ordering used CDs and a XTC demos (a/k/a Fuzzy Warbles) J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [ebmaniax] Last night... On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Still, Eb's description makes me want to add The Long Winters to my > way-too-long list of Artists to Check Out. The mp3s on barsuk.com are what sold me on the new album. I eventually picked up the older one, and it's about like Eb said; less schmaltz but the high points aren't as high either. I've now heard enough bands with a similar style that I have this distinct impression of a VERY rapidly growing scene in the northwest involving that kind of slightly orch-y, slightly country-y songwriter stuff, but now I can't think of who else formed this pattern in my head. The Prom, I guess, but I didn't like them a ton. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Dylan's Run Eb wrote: > >yet gives Dylan a fake name > >("Jack Fate") and backstory... > > Some of youz might recall that Love & Theft was produced > by "Jack Fate" as well.... That was Jack _FROST._ ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:31:32 -0700 From: Eb Subject: reap Director John Schlesinger. You know, until now, I never realized he directed that horrible Madonna bomb "The Next Best Thing." Ouch! Eb, trying to recall if he ever saw "A Kind of Loving" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 01:49:34 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: stereo TV >In the old black and white days on Blue Peter, they ran some experimental >3D transmissions which worked on the basis of an image-splitting viewer >(which you had to make from old toilet rolls, handbag mirrors, cereal >packets etc as per usual), through which you viewed two side by side >images on the TV. The object of the viewer was to shift your eyes about >12" apart instead of 3". It definitely worked, but I remember being quite >annoyed because it took hours to make the viewer, and then they only >transmitted a few very short clips. The most impressive item was a >trombone slide in a jazz band. > >From your description, this sounds like a variant of method 2 which avoids >the Clarence problem. that's exactly what it is. It's also the same method that was used in old stereoscopes and - during the fifties and sixties - in Viewmaster discs (remember them - put the disk in the top, look theough the eyepiece and push down on the lever for a new picture. I can remember Aussie science programme "Beyond 2000" (how quaint that title seems now) - a sort of antipodean Tomorrow's World - doing the same sort of thing in about 1995**, but they actually required the viewer to cross their eyes to do the trick. Because my own eyes are weird*, I did the trick backwards, which made for the very strange effect of making everything that was supposed to appear nearer seem further away, and vice versa. * FWIW, I am "an alternating exotrope capable of forcing voluntary vergence, with concomitant full stereopsis". That is, I have two lazy eyes, neither of which is dominant in the usually accepted sense, in that I switch between then. I can also bring both together to focus on one object, and - rarely for people with this phenomenon - I can see in full 3D when I do so. It has distinct "in a bizarre set of circumstances"-type advantages, but can be unnerving for anyone talking with me when they look at me. It also meant I was in regular employment for visual testing at the University's psych department. **trust the Aussies to be 30 years behind the times. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:33:04 -0700 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Re: Dylan's Run On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 05:42 PM, Eb wrote: >> >>Still, I don't believe *anyone* from the local pop-dork scene was >> there, >>>> which again made me groan about that scene's reactionary insistence >>>> that "pop" *must* be defined by overt, obsequious allusions to the >>>> same well-worn Hall of Fame influences. >> >> Now, I sure don't disagree with your sentiment in the least, but what >> kind >> of pop-dorks were you expecting, plain old fan boys, musicians, >> journalists, >> all of the above? > > The usual IPO/Poptopia/power-pop crowd. Not that I particularly wish to disagree with your sentiment either, but wouldn't the IPO crowd probably have been at IPO last night? ;-) Elizabeth (currently entertaining myself solo in the Bay Area while the spouse is at a professional workshop, and trying to decide whether it's worth challenging my longstanding San Francisco curse to go see either Momus or the Sobule/Doe/Tilbrook bill tonight, or whether I should play it safe and go to the Stanford Jazz Festival instead, which I'm actually equally interested in but which is more expensive, and frankly rather excited to have multiple shows to choose from in the first place) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:35:09 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: Shriekback and Barry Andrews <> Information about these discs can be found at www.shriekback.com... one of them is, in fact, a Shriekback release. It's a pity his tour looks to be essentially over... Hollie ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #287 ********************************