From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #278 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 18 2003 Volume 12 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: omg the scots are soft and buttery [Eleanore Adams ] I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) [carole reichstein ] Protoprog and Bulleid wheels of fire [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan] Re: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: omg the scots are soft and buttery [Groove Puppy ] french email ain't email anymore [gshell@metronet.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:59:34 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: omg the scots are soft and buttery What do the Scots do about chefs and cooking knives? ea On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 04:50 PM, Capuchin wrote: > I am not saying I disagree with your sentiment, here, but I'm curious > about you rationale. > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 gshell@metronet.com wrote: > [snip] >> you should be allowed to have a big blade of any type in your home as >> an >> ornament or as a weapon as well be allowed to carry a knife. > > Why should you? > >> up until what seems like the week before last i would carry a 5" >> schrade >> on an airplane anywhere in the us. > > And why'd you do that? > >> also, when you say you can be stopped and searched, does that mean at >> any time for any reason and anything they find can be used as evidence >> against you? > > While the inconvenience, embarrassment and harrassment potential of > being > stopped and searched at any time for any reason is pretty obvious on > the > surface, I think you nailed it on the head with the last bit about > "anything they find can be used as evidence against you". That would > be > perhaps the most crucial distinction between a possibly dangerous > policy > and one that egregiously violated essential civil liberty. > > The culture of fear which you condemned, by the way, is perpetuated by > those who carry weapons. > > I'm not the sort of person who would support CRIMINALIZING any sort of > weapon ownership or carrying, but I sure as hell don't support actually > doing it, either. A civil society requires trust. That means trusting > people to have weapons and also trusting people to NOT have weapons. > The > very existence of police is a reminder that we live in a society > without > trust and respect. > > J. > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: carole reichstein Subject: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) All this city vs. the country talk is interesting. I don't live in the "country," but I do live close to the Willamette River, and this is my first garden, and I have a cute family of raccoons living in my neighborhood. The cute raccoons are enthusiastically eating my squash blossoms (though, luckily, they haven't touched the tomatoes yet). Lots of Fegs here garden, right? Do you have a special secret for discouraging raccoons? I don't mean relocating them, trapping them, or putting up an electric fence..but if anyone has any effective raccoon deterrents, I'd love to hear them. BTW--loud music doesn't help. Raccoons adapt quickly and just dig the tunes. xxx Carole ps: Randi, it's nice to see you post again! Wish I could be in Canada at the listener party. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: carole reichstein Subject: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) All this city vs. the country talk is interesting. I don't live in the "country," but I do live close to the Willamette River, and this is my first garden, and I have a cute family of raccoons living in my neighborhood. The cute raccoons are enthusiastically eating my squash blossoms (though, luckily, they haven't touched the tomatoes yet). Lots of Fegs here garden, right? Do you have a special secret for discouraging raccoons? I don't mean relocating them, trapping them, or putting up an electric fence..but if anyone has any effective raccoon deterrents, I'd love to hear them. BTW--loud music doesn't help. Raccoons adapt quickly and just dig the tunes. xxx Carole ps: Randi, it's nice to see you post again! Wish I could be in Canada at the listener party. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:37:04 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) >Lots of Fegs here garden, right? Do you have a special >secret for discouraging raccoons? I bet GS Shell does.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:14:22 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Got my Cow-Joke Workin' >Ah, the Dukes. Just got a cow-orker completely into them, and >been >listening to them a lot. I wish there had been more ... Is that an unreleased sequel to Pig Worker?! But seriously, folks. I've now heard that The Naff Boys aren't on until 10pm tonight, so out-of-towners might not feel it's worth it. Hope I see some of you there though. Crowbar Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:49:34 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: omg the scots are soft and buttery Eleanore Adams wrote: > > What do the Scots do about chefs and cooking knives? That's a legitimate use, so you're okay. I think the law was brought in so the police could apprehend neds stumbling about on temazapam and wine before they started hacking at people with meat cleavers. Which has happened, incidentally. And let's not forget the other lovely Glaswegian invention; the Stanley knife fitted with two blades side-by-side. Get your face slashed with that, and it just can't be sewn up without leaving a huge scar. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:52:39 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Got my Cow-Joke Workin' crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com wrote: > > Is that an unreleased sequel to Pig Worker?! no, it was an unused mix of the song. Just with more cowbell. Stewart - -- all animals say moo, but in their own accent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:21:32 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Protoprog and Bulleid wheels of fire >>>Maybe "Some Velvet Morning" by Nancy Sinatra & Lee Hazelwood could >>>be considered ... > >But it's too guileless to be Prog. The two sections in different time >signatures are just spliced together (especially at the end where you get >two bars of one and two bars of the other). Maybe Richard Harris's "Macarthur Park", then - including the odd bar in 9/8, no less? Nah, didn't think so. >("My White Bicycle" by Tomorrow is so perfect that it >sounds more like a ret-conned Dukes of the Stratosphear "psychedelia should >have sounded like this" experiment than a real period piece.) I take it you've heard Nigel Planer's version of that (in his Young One Neil persona) on "Neil's heavy Concept Album? Not nearly as bad as it sounds, though his version of Hurdy Gurdy Man is possibly the only thing really worth playing on the album. Mike a dit: >> Bulleid wheels are recommended, too. > >Great stuff, James! Ta. > But they're called Boxpok wheels, no idea why. Boxpok? I always knew them as Bulleids, but then again I heard that from my dad, who was probably biased, seeing as he was born only a few miles from the great man (even further south than here!). And you know I only put that last line there for your amusement anyway :) BTW, it looks like we have something in common, sadly - only my medicated anti-wheezing potion is Tilade. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:53:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT), carole reichstein wrote : > All this city vs. the country talk is interesting. I > don't live in the "country," but I do live close to > the Willamette River, and this is my first garden, and > I have a cute family of raccoons living in my > neighborhood. The cute raccoons are enthusiastically > eating my squash blossoms (though, luckily, they > haven't touched the tomatoes yet). Maybe a mix of cayenne pepper powder and water sprayed on the blossoms. Never heard of them eating squash blossoms, but they will eat just about anything I guess. I think your best bet is some rabbit fencing around your squash. Oh the rabbit fence, the rabbit fence I ride... Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:53:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT), carole reichstein wrote : > All this city vs. the country talk is interesting. I > don't live in the "country," but I do live close to > the Willamette River, and this is my first garden, and > I have a cute family of raccoons living in my > neighborhood. The cute raccoons are enthusiastically > eating my squash blossoms (though, luckily, they > haven't touched the tomatoes yet). Maybe a mix of cayenne pepper powder and water sprayed on the blossoms. Never heard of them eating squash blossoms, but they will eat just about anything I guess. I think your best bet is some rabbit fencing around your squash. Oh the rabbit fence, the rabbit fence I ride... Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:17:31 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 02:25 AM, carole reichstein wrote: > > > Lots of Fegs here garden, right? Do you have a special > secret for discouraging raccoons? I don't mean > relocating them, trapping them, or putting up an > electric fence..but if anyone has any effective > raccoon deterrents, I'd love to hear them. > > Mothballs. Scatter a few around. Not too many or you will be bothered by the smell. I used to have a couple of raccoon friends. They became a tad too friendly and mothballs stopped them from hanging around my back door. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:42:54 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Protoprog and Bulleid wheels of fire On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, James Dignan wrote: > Maybe Richard Harris's "Macarthur Park", then - including the odd bar in > 9/8, no less? Nah, didn't think so. Written by Jim Webb, I think? I would file this bar under 'McCartneyesque leanings' rather than progressive. > I take it you've heard Nigel Planer's version of that (in his Young One > Neil persona) on "Neil's heavy Concept Album? Not nearly as bad as it > sounds, though his version of Hurdy Gurdy Man is possibly the only thing > really worth playing on the album. No, the only one I've heard is his coruscating "Hole in my shoe", which was a big UK hit. Didn't Nazareth also cover 'My white bicycle'? On the vexed "Are the Floyd progressive?" issue, my view is that out and out progressive bands depend heavily on instrumental technique, which has never been the Floyd's strong suit. As a result, they compensated by devoting unheard of attention to the details of studio technique. The point of the post-Syd Floyd has always been sound rather than music. There was a time in the 70s when they sold large quantities of 'Dark side of the moon' to hi-fi buffs, not because the purchasers were Floyd fans, but because the state of the art recording quality showed off their sound systems. File under "Pink Floyd", I think. > Boxpok? I always knew them as Bulleids, but then again I heard that from my > dad, who was probably biased, seeing as he was born only a few miles from > the great man (even further south than here!). From "BOXPOK Disc driving wheels common on US locomotives towards the end of the steam era. In addition to being easier to manufacture and having a longer life than spoked drivers, they were much easier to balance, a necessity with the standard two-cylinder arrangement of the vast majority of US locos. Despite an extensive search I haven't found a really good photo yet. Most sites agree that Bulleid used Boxpoks, but he must have tweaked them somehow, as the full definition appears to be "Bulleid-Firth-Brown Boxpok wheels". I knew you'd be interested! > And you know I only put that last line there for your amusement anyway :) Well, yes. - - Mike Godwin, treasuring his last pre-CFC-ban Ventolin inhaler (the new ones are crap). PS to joe: Ten is too late for me. Maybe next time! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:00:38 -0700 From: "randalljr" Subject: RE: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) ***************************** Lots of Fegs here garden, right? Do you have a special secret for discouraging raccoons? I don't mean relocating them, trapping them, or putting up an electric fence..but if anyone has any effective raccoon deterrents, I'd love to hear them. ***************************** When I go camping raccoons tend to hang around the parks looking for a free meal. They often get quite bold. This might not be the most popular method of rodent deterrent but I just pick them off in the ass with my wristrocket. After a few stings to the backside they go and bother someone else. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:43:27 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: omg the scots are soft and buttery On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Capuchin wrote: > you should be allowed to have a big blade of any type in your home as an > ornament or as a weapon as well be allowed to carry a knife. > > Why should you? you should actually have replied with a list of reasons you think we shouldn't be allowed to own an ornamental decorative blade or pocket knife. there are three parts to this statement, the ornament, the weapon, the tool. do you think the government should regulate ornamental things whether they were designed to function as weapons or not? if a person can't be trusted by the government to keep a weapon in their home, they either need to be part of the revolution to overthrough that government or under supervision. a sword is a very poor weapon for self defense, comparatively. i have carried a pocket knife or leatherman tool in my car or pocket for about 20 years and will continue to do so. i won't even try to list the number of times i have used the knife in aid for myself and others. i have been assaulted a couple times, robbed at gunpoint twice and i have pursude and captured fleeing criminals but not once have i ever pulled my knife as an offensive or defensive weapon. so is my pocket knife a tool or a weapon and do you really think i should be arrested for carrying it? > > up until what seems like the week before last i would carry a 5" > > schrade on an airplane anywhere in the us. > And why'd you do that? most probably because i thought it was really weird they would let me. i bet there was more than one person on any of those hijacked airplanes who would have appreciated a 5" schrade. and if had ever needed to hijack a plane, it doubles as an excellent weapon. i was baffled around 1993 by the lack of security around these massive weapons when i first imagined the commercial airplane as a terrorist weapon. > > also, when you say you can be stopped and searched, does that mean at > > any time for any reason and anything they find can be used as evidence > While the inconvenience, embarrassment and harrassment potential of > being stopped and searched at any time for any reason is pretty obvious > on the surface, I think you nailed it on the head with the last bit > about "anything they find can be used as evidence against you". That > would be perhaps the most crucial distinction between a possibly > dangerous policy and one that egregiously violated essential civil > liberty. what's the difference between a "dangerous policy" and one that "egregiously violated essential civil liberty"? maybe i missed the point but either is wrong and should be opposed. > > The culture of fear which you condemned, by the way, is perpetuated by > > those who carry weapons. i disagree. the culture of fear is what has made carrying a pocket knife a crime in scotland. > > I'm not the sort of person who would support CRIMINALIZING any sort of > > weapon ownership or carrying, but I sure as hell don't support > > actually doing it, either. that's a direct contradiction and doesn't make any sense. you said "I'm not the sort of person who would support CRIMINALIZING any sort of weapon ownership or carrying" followeb by "i sure as hell don't support actually doing it". so does that mean it's ok for everyone else just not you? did you know in texas you can walk around with a rifle on your shoulder except within certain areas and you don't need a permit? you can also carry a loaded pistol or rifle to control your domain when you are staying overnight in a county that does not border your county? > > A civil society requires trust. That means trusting people to have > > weapons and also trusting people to NOT have weapons. The very > > existence of police is a reminder that we live in a society without > > trust and respect. the entire world therefore lives within a society without trust and respect and has so since before written history. so are you saying none have therefore been civilized? what is the comparison? i think respect for law and order and for the individual is what a civil society needs. trust follows respect blindly. it is a result of and not a required condition of a civil socity. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:43:01 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: "prog doesnt help you pick up chicks" etc. Eb-- >So, in conclusion, prog doesnt help you pick up chicks. Nor does a >good book collection. Nor the fact that you may have earned several >degrees. The bottomline is I dont know how to attract women. Try borrowing someone's baby. (Of course you have to put some work into figuring out how to take care of it for a couple of hours & interact with it). Nurturing madonnas, nerd girls, super ironic lesbian jocks, fast, mean-looking babes and various hybrids of the above, will, in substantial numbers, become more forward and conversational when encountering a young dude *interacting* with a baby in public. From there you're on your own, but it's a great ice breaker for public places. Note: some of them will have in mind "I want one of those" [baby], but many will be aware that the time is far off or down a different path than the one they've chosen, but they will still show marked sociability. Plus you earn favors from the people you babysit for. This is based on repeated experience in American culture, as well as anecdote. Hm. A puppy can have many of the same effects. I don't mean to be flip, but maybe enough time has passed, and you need another dog. - --- Cream, tc -- >> Mumble mumble ... went to that show ... grunt grunt ... both houses ... >> hmff hmff ... ashtray for the first house, seats for the second ... >> >That's so funny - I was truly going to throw in something like "I think I >spotted Mike Godwin in the audience", but thought better of slagging on your >advanced condition. ;) He was the guy down front wildly shaking his head forward & back, right? One of the few audience shots. IMO concert movies need to spend more time with the audience if they wear interesting clothes & dance. I think there was a phase in the late 60s where people thought it was groovy to have lots of super tight closeups of performers faces -- Lennon in the "Revolution" promo, Brian Jones in the "Jumping Jack Flash" promo, just about every shot in the 1970 movie Stamping Ground. - --- The Nuggets II box in general -- it's great stuff, but I've been confirmed by stuff I've seen on the Steve Hoffman forum that Bill Inglot, the main re-masterer, really goes for the higher frequencies. Some of it you just can't listen to on headphones for long. Also, because of my headphones addiction, I am totally for *mono* for anything before 1969, when they figured out how to do & how important it is to have a *centered* balanced mix. - --- Dukes of Stratosphere reunion-- I'm slow on this, but does this line-up mean the old original XTC? Ross Taylor "I'm on fire and it's the rainy season in this desert you made me create" -- Howard Devoto Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:53:42 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: omg the scots are soft and buttery On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > What do the Scots do about chefs and cooking knives? > > That's a legitimate use, so you're okay. i never knew they had chefs in scotland. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:58:31 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: I love the city, but I want the country too (no Robyn content, some raccoon) On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, carole reichstein wrote: > Lots of Fegs here garden, right? Do you have a special > secret for discouraging raccoons? I don't mean > relocating them, trapping them, or putting up an > electric fence..but if anyone has any effective > raccoon deterrents, I'd love to hear them. put a bowl of dog chow out and they'll spend less time in the garden. they like cat chow as well as table scraps. raccoons are fun to have around and they appreciate the food but be careful or they will get fat. you can get predator urine at the feed store to help discourage the raccoons from the garden and this will either work quickly or it won't work at all. i haven't had any luck with mothballs except in a shed. i know many people discouarge feeding these animals, but they make good pets until they are about 1yr for the female and about 2yrs. for a male. i you ever make friends with one and get to where you can rub and scratch it, don't ever try to take something that the raccoon has picked up. just count it as a loss and you will probably be much better off. opossums are also interesting. there is a family that has been sharing an area below the porch with the cats for about five years now. there is apparently an understanding regarindg the new borns and neither bothers the other. i have seen the opossums walk right over a litter of kittens, give a sniff and walk on. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:07:12 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Got my Cow-Joke Workin' Stewart earnestly scribbled: >no, it was an unused mix of the song. Just with more cowbell. ...and somewhere, Christopher Walken is smiling... - -- Cheers! - -g- "In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments -- there are Consequences." - --R.G. Ingersoll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:49:31 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Gonna work my cow on you Umm, this past digest contained both the word "anycow" and the word "cow-orker". Or am I seeing the fnords in my own uniquely bovine way? Certainly my cue to direct your attention here: http://www.swissrentacow.com/rent.shtml _____ JeFFrey, some velvet mornig when he's straight: >>I wonder if the song was originally two separate songs, and someone had >>the bright idea of (first) making them one song, and then doing that >>alternating thing on the last verse. Gotta be. My guess would be that part of it was the fact that Lee's song was unfinished (one verse, no chorus). Most of it was drugs. But make no mistake, I love that song. It's a great way to freak people out if they've only ever heard "These Boots Were Made For Walking". (Which of course also rules.) ______ Jeme vs. Greg: This is gonna be interesting... everyone else, please stand back... - -Rex, not having a cow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Groove Puppy Subject: Re: omg the scots are soft and buttery > "Dave Clark, head of detection for customs in > Scotland, said: "The public should be warned that > anyone caught trying to bring back offensive weapons > will have their details passed to the police for > intelligence purposes." Ah, new day job since the departure of the other four? > i wonder if cordless reciprocating and rotary saws > are available in scotland? wow, chainsaws must be > illegal. We use trained beavers for all serious wood cutting applications. > also, when you say you can be stopped and searched, > does that mean at any time for any reason and > anything they find can be used as evidence against > you? > > are the laws similar in the rest of the uk and > ireland as well? This would be the "suss" laws where you can be stopped if you look suspicious, e.g. look shifty, slightly foreign, eyes too close together. AFIK they are they are UK wide. Certainly the Ruts wrote the song "Suss" about them. (H) np - Idlewild "100 Broken Windows" ===== CHUCKHOLE All that great punk rock taste with only half the calories. http://clix.to/chuckhole http://www.mp3.com/chuckhole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:05:53 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: etc. On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, ross taylor wrote: > He was the guy down front wildly shaking his head forward & back, right? > One of the few audience shots. IMO concert movies need to spend more > time with the audience if they wear interesting clothes & dance. No, I was sitting primly in a seat about 2/3 of the way back - I haven't spotted myself in the film. Connoisseurs of idiot dancing would probably like the 1971 Glastonbury Fayre film as well as the obvious Woodstock, Monterey and Stones in Hyde Park movies. Has anyone got any decent footage of Gerard Malanga doing his whip dance with the Exploding Plastic Inevitable? I've always wanted to see that. After making a serious memory-bank withdrawal, I reckon that the guitar which Clapton played in the first house was a Firebird, not an Explorer. They look fairly similar, but the Explorer is more angular. > The Nuggets II box in general -- it's great stuff, but I've been > confirmed by stuff I've seen on the Steve Hoffman forum that Bill > Inglot, the main re-masterer, really goes for the higher frequencies. > Some of it you just can't listen to on headphones for long. He's almost certainly blown his ear drums over the years. A toppy mix is a sure sign. > Also, because of my headphones addiction, I am totally for *mono* for > anything before 1969, when they figured out how to do & how important it > is to have a *centered* balanced mix. We had a long discussion about those crazy early stereo mixes last year. "Paper Sun" is odd, and the whole of "Something Else" by the Kinks. - - MRG PS I think the quote "each speaker big enough to FILL the Albert Hall with sound" must come from an earlier and even more pretentious Tony Palmer TV film about Cream. Really funny, especially when TP echoes the words that JB is singing on "We're going wrong", thusly: Bruce (agonised): Pleeeeze_ _open_ _your_ _miiind_! TP (serious): Please open your mind. Bruce (noisy): _Seeee-eeee_ _what_ _you_ _can_ _fiiind_! TP (hushed): See what you can find. Bruce (OTT): _IIIIIII_ _found_ _out_ _to-daaaay_, _we're_ _going_ _wrooong_! TP (reverent): I found out today (dramatic pause) we're going wrong! Tasty! I wonder if it still exists? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:40:06 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: french email ain't email anymore PARIS (AP) - Goodbye ``e-mail'', the French government says, and hello ``courriel'' - the term that linguistically sensitive France is now using to refer to electronic mail in official documents. The Culture Ministry has announced a ban on the use of ``e-mail'' in all government ministries, documents, publications or Web sites, the latest step to stem an incursion of English words into the French lexicon. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- french people really must have a low self-esteem. i guess if we lost so badly to the nazi's we might have the same problem. actually, no i don't think we would. i think french will soon be classified as a dead language so they should all start speaking dutch or spanish. maybe we should build a fence around france. gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #278 ********************************