From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #273 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 15 2003 Volume 12 : Number 273 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Pan-Asian Prog Rock Pancake Controversy Continued ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: The Nora Quasi [UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com] Re: That Robin Guthrie solo album has some rather nice cover art. [Seba] Re: The dependably flaky Pitchfork [Eb ] Storefront Hitchcock showing (100% RH) ["Charlotte Tupman" ] Rush/Genesis [Eb ] Re: Rush/Genesis ["Glen Uber" ] Speaking of Prog Rock... ["Glen Uber" ] RE: Speaking of Prog Rock... ["Iosso, Ken" ] Re: Rush/Genesis [Eb ] RE: Speaking of Prog Rock... [Eb ] Re: the psychology of music taste [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:09:34 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Pan-Asian Prog Rock Pancake Controversy Continued Stewart: >>Confusingly, but true to the spirit of messed-up English usage, pancakes >>are both the little spongey griddle-cakes AND the big flat crepe-like >>things that we have on Shrove Tuesday. It gets worse when you factor in Asian cuisine. The flat flour wraps into which you stuff mushu whatever are also invariably called "pancakes". Yet in any other context they would be recognized as "tortillas" or indeed "wraps". The rice-based equivalents thereof are also sometimes, but less universally called pancakes... ____ Glen: >>Hey, Genesis is prog, just like Rush. Who thinks Genesis is more prog >>than Rush? It's a draw. Early Genesis being proggier than Rush with the latter Invsible Touch and Illegal Alien shit being less so... I'd say it averages out. ___ Gene: >>I just dream of having my CD reviewed (or eehhed) by Eb, to be called >>the "Next Avril Lavigne" by CNN, and get po-mo deconstructed by a >>bunch of rabid Fegs. Oh, you don't even have to put out an album to get PMD'd by fegs... it can be done on the basis of your personality and/or politics, free of charge! - -Rex, who has not much to say about Sports Administrators but seems to have zoomed below his target weight overnight but is shying away from his goatee-shaving pledge for a few more pounds. np. Guadalcanal Diary/Walking in the Shadow of the Big Man and Jamboree ncrawling. Rex's #2 Daughter for the first time ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:13:26 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Oh, and... Track and Cross Country events are neither games nor matches but "meets". Between Chariots of Fire and The Loneliness of a Long Distance Runner I should know if this is true in the UK as well, but I'm drawing a blank. There, a useful sports factoid from me. - -Rex (whose dad coached Cross Country) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:12:32 -0400 From: UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: The Nora Quasi Gene replied: > UglyNoraGrrl lamented: > > That's it i'm giving up my dream of every being in a good > > band or writing a good song because those 9 and 11 year > > old girls have more talent now than i've ever approached > > in my 28 years. > > Pshaw! When I dream of being in a band, being good doesn't > usually enter into it. Or talent, for that matter. Heck, > it didn't stop Kim Gordon, now did it? If Kim Gordon is the threshold for talent and success I guess I should just find a girlfriend with some musical talent and hitch myself to her star and let the praise roll in. Or maybe we just make kissing on stage our gimmick? That might work better! :) > I just dream of having my CD reviewed (or eehhed) by Eb, to > be called the "Next Avril Lavigne" by CNN, and get po-mo > deconstructed by a bunchof rabid Fegs. Why not just be the next Liz Phair so you can just be lusted after? ;-) Gene also said: > Hey, Genesis is prog, just like Rush. Who thinks Genesis is > more prog than Rush? Me! Rush never used enough flute to be truly prog in my book. Plus guys named Gene cause less controversy than guys named Rush when it comes to sports coverage. Later, Nora np: Morrissey - Vauxhall and I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:29:17 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: That Robin Guthrie solo album has some rather nice cover art. - -- Capuchin is rumored to have mumbled on Dienstag, 15. Juli 2003 9:11 Uhr -0700 regarding Re: That Robin Guthrie solo album has some rather nice cover art.: > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> > Very odd seeing it called a match though.... >> >> Oops, was that an, hmm, anglicism? Are they always called ballgames in >> the US? > > Generally, in a sport that usually involves contests between two > individuals, a single contest is called a "match" and in a sport that > usually involves contests between two teams of two or more individuals, a > single contest is called a "game". > > Dig? Yup, I dig, but I ain't no believer. I'm almost certain that "match" is used for team sports in the UK, for instance for association football. Anybody willing to testify to that? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:15:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The dependably flaky Pitchfork >My Bloody Valentine Return to Studio to Complete Unfinished >Album, Shields Scores Coppola Film > >The trio of Kevin Shields, Colin O'Ciosiog and Bilinda >Butcher (vocalist Debbie Googe is apparently not present) Except Googe was the *bassist*, not the vocalist.... >Shields has scored the new Sofia >Coppola film Lost in Translation. Four of Shields' score >contributions will appear on the film's soundtrack, out >September 9th on Emperor Norton (which also released Air's >soundtrack to Coppola's The Virgin Suicides). Except the Air soundtrack was on *Astralwerks*, not Emperor Norton.... >My Bloody Valentine: http://www.expectdelay.com/mbv Except this site *went down* awhile back.... Will there be anything else, you soulless indie-brats? This scones/pancakes/clotted-cream discussion is making me feel nauseous. Literally. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:22:36 +0100 From: "Charlotte Tupman" Subject: Storefront Hitchcock showing (100% RH) So... A lovely evening was had by the few that turned up on Saturday night to the British Museum showing of Storefront Hitchcock (I think there were about 60 people there, in a 320-capacity theatre, which must have been disappointing for Robyn but it was rather nice for the audience!) Alan Rickman turned up again. Anyway, Robyn introduced the film briefly, saying (amongst other things) that the film was his "reverse Dorian Gray", in that while he himself gets older and more decrepit (his words, not mine!), the Robyn in the film stays young(er) and beautiful. Then we sat through the film - I expect most of the audience had seen it at least once or twice, but there were still some laughs during some of Robyn's more amusing between-song monologues. Robyn, meanwhile, went to look round the Egyptian gallery (how fitting). Then there were the questions: and at this point I must apologise for the fact that I couldn't ask everything people wanted me to, as everyone in the audience who wanted to ask a question got one each, and I didn't want to seem pushy... Anyway there were a few interesting questions, all of which were related to the film. I got the impression that Robyn wasn't entirely comfortable with the whole thing, but maybe that's just me. However he did answer some of them at length, mostly going off at tangents when he didn't want to answer them directly. I asked about where he was brought up, and whether he found any particular places inspirational when he was writing songs, and he said that if he's somewhere too beautiful then it makes him not want to spoil it with his singing, but if he's somewhere really awful then he plays, to make it nicer to be there. He also said that he tends to concentrate on one particular 'thing' when he's writing - he seemed to mean visually as well as mentally, if you see what I mean. Altogether, it was an interesting night. Charlotte _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:26:50 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Football (Soccer content 0%) Quoting "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." : > On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 06:35 AM, Glen Uber wrote: > > > Apologies if this gets sent twice. My SMTP server is a bit squonky > > tonight. > > Squonk? Like the Genesis song "Squonk"? There's also a line in "Any Major Dude Will Tell You" by Steely Dan, re "a squonk's tears." Apparently, based on a Pennsylvania folktale... > Hey, Genesis is prog, just like Rush. Who thinks Genesis is more prog > than Rush? Uh-oh...someone then needs to construct a Prog Index, scoring various acts for Symptoms of Progosity. Let's see, a few to randomly start with: Uses odd-numbered time signatures in addition to the usual 3/4: check for both acts Several trucks full of keyboards: check both acts (counting latterday Rush) Bass pedals: check Drum kit with more parts than a Swiss watch: check "Concept" albums: check Lyrics addressing myth, history, obscure regionalisms, and/or band's roadies: check Bass player thinks he's lead guitarist: check Drummer thinks he's lead vocalist: Genesis only Keyboard player writes using chords he hopes will stump guitarist: Genesis only Naked men on album covers: Rush (the putto on _Trespass_ doesn't count) Sold out horribly to become buttzillion-selling AOR act: Genesis only Well, that's it for now...looks as if Genesis holds a slight edge. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:33:00 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Funky moodiness continues, I don't know what to do... on 7/14/03 12:00 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > > And then my folks told me that they were seriously considering selling the > house and property where I grew up. So let's see. You are sick of LA and want to move. You wax nostalgic about the house you grew up in. Sounds like a no-brainer to me. > ncrawling. Rex's #2 Daughter for the first time Yay! the fun starts! on 7/15/03 12:12 PM, UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com at UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com wrote: > > If Kim Gordon is the threshold for talent and success I guess > I should just find a girlfriend with some musical talent and > hitch myself to her star and let the praise roll in. Or maybe > we just make kissing on stage our gimmick? That might work > better! :) > Please put me on your tour mailing list. I've got some vacation time I need to use. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:33:38 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Football (Soccer content 0%) Jeffrey earnestly scribbled: >> Squonk? Like the Genesis song "Squonk"? > >There's also a line in "Any Major Dude Will Tell You" by Steely Dan, re "a >squonk's tears." Apparently, based on a Pennsylvania folktale... I just used the word in conversation once and it felt natural. So now I refer to anything just slightly off or not quite right as "squonky". >Uh-oh...someone then needs to construct a Prog Index, scoring various acts >for Symptoms of Progosity. >Well, that's it for now...looks as if Genesis holds a slight edge. Mellotron. Can't be prog without a Mellotron. Score one more for Genesis. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:42:22 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: The Lamb Lies Down on Abbey Road Jeffrey earnestly scribbled: >Uh-oh...someone then needs to construct a Prog Index, scoring various acts >for Symptoms of Progosity. Let's do this for some other acts. First up, the Beatles. >Let's see, a few to randomly start with: > >Uses odd-numbered time signatures in addition to the usual 3/4: check for >both acts Check. >Several trucks full of keyboards: check both acts (counting latterday Rush) Check. >Bass pedals: check Not sure. >Drum kit with more parts than a Swiss watch: check Nope. >"Concept" albums: check Check. >Lyrics addressing myth, history, obscure regionalisms, and/or band's >roadies: check Check on at least a couple counts. >Bass player thinks he's lead guitarist: check LOL. Check. >Drummer thinks he's lead vocalist: Genesis only Check. >Keyboard player writes using chords he hopes will stump guitarist: >Genesis only Hmm. this one is open for debate. >Naked men on album covers: Rush (the putto on _Trespass_ doesn't count) Not that I'm aware. There may be one hidden on Revolver somewhere. Oh, wait. Does Two Virgins count? >Sold out horribly to become buttzillion-selling AOR act: Genesis only "Freeeeeee as a bird..." Looks like the Beatles could be considered prog, or at least "prog-leaning". - -g "and they used Mellotrons, too" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:45:03 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: That Robin Guthrie solo album has some rather nice cover art. Sebastian wrote: > > I'm almost certain that "match" is > used for team sports in the UK, for instance for > association football. > Anybody willing to testify to that? Be certain, Herr H. England wouldn't have "Match of the Day" if it weren't. See sense 1 of (which is now my online dictionary of choice.) Stewart Now Playing: a hawk and a hacksaw - quand le son devient aigu, jeter la girafe a la mer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:49:59 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Abbey Road Quoting Glen Uber : > Jeffrey earnestly scribbled: > > >Uh-oh...someone then needs to construct a Prog Index, scoring various > acts > >for Symptoms of Progosity. > > Let's do this for some other acts. First up, the Beatles. > >Several trucks full of keyboards: check both acts (counting latterday > Rush) > > Check. brzzzzp! Ruled on a technicality: Beatles used keyboards primarily after they stopped touring, and even then "several trucks full" seems too many. > >Drummer thinks he's lead vocalist: Genesis only > > Check. Oh, I don't think Ringo ever thought he was the *lead* vocalist... > >Keyboard player writes using chords he hopes will stump guitarist: > >Genesis only > > Hmm. this one is open for debate. I rule the Beatles out as prog-rockers on this count alone: if they used wonky chords, it was solely by accident. They didn't even read music after all - and I think this factor, ladies and gentlemen, alone causes our Prog Jury to rule them out. (Anyway, they didn't have a keyboard player per se.) > >Naked men on album covers: Rush (the putto on _Trespass_ doesn't count) > > Not that I'm aware. There may be one hidden on Revolver somewhere. > > Oh, wait. Does Two Virgins count? No - but John Lennon in the poster w/the White Album is good for half a point. > >Sold out horribly to become buttzillion-selling AOR act: Genesis only > > "Freeeeeee as a bird..." The best-selling group ever has to do something to *sell out*? Ruled on technicality, sorry. Yes on the Mellotrons, though. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Empire is incompatible with democracy. Democracy is founded on the :: rule of law, empire on the rule of force. Democracy is a system of :: self-determination, empire a system of military conquest. :: --Jonathan Schell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:53:43 -0400 From: broadway jack Subject: Eden Festival Cancelled the eden festival, where robyn was to perform in august, has been cancelled. here's the press release from the festival website : Press Release 14 July 2003 Council pull plug on Eden Festival The Eden Festival charity event had its entertainment license application rejected by Wirral Borough Council on 14th July 2003 following last minute objections from the statutory sector. This means that EDEN is now cancelled for 2003! A spokesperson for Eden said, "The Eden Festival team are devastated by the news. This is a tremendous disappointment to everyone involved with the event. Eden had a great line-up of artists and wonderful ethics with profits going to charity. We know from the feedback that we have received that thousands of people were looking forward to the event and we are very sorry to disappoint them." "Eden is a `not for profit' company so the co-ordinating team have worked unpaid on the project because they sincerely believed in the ideal of the festival. The associated charities put in funding to get the event off the ground. We are baffled that after 12 months of negotiation and regular meetings that this could happen." "We are considering a new festival for 2004 in the meantime we have arranged for all ticket holders to be refunded from the Box Office from which they originally bought their tickets" We are really, really sorry! More news to follow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:17:45 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Rush/Genesis Since I read an online prog forum regularly, I've seen these sorts of fussy "Prog or not prog?"/"Who's proggier?" debates over and over and over and over. Sometimes, it seems like you can simplify things merely by checking the fanbases. Do ya wonder if Pink Floyd is truly "prog" or not? Check the fanbases. Very different. The stoner factor is miles more prominent amongst the Floydsters, and the proggies are much more self-consciously intellekshooul. Ditto for the difference between Rush and Genesis. Plenty of proggies treat Rush fans like retarded circus freaks. ;) Personally, I definitely consider Rush to be "arty hard-rock" more than "hard-rocking prog." And while I have no way of testing this theory, I suspect Rush fans are, correspondingly, more prone to enjoy *Metallica* than Genesis. For whatever reason, the other group whose "progginess" seems to get constantly debated is Kansas. A band which I just don't give a damn about, either way. I'll leave that one to others. Jeffrey, on album-cover nudity: >but John Lennon in the poster w/the White Album is good for half a point. Uh, surely you meant *McCartney*, not Lennon? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:32:24 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Rush/Genesis Eb earnestly scribbled: >Do ya wonder if Pink Floyd is truly "prog" or not? Check the >fanbases. Very different. The stoner factor is miles more prominent >amongst the Floydsters, and the proggies are much more >self-consciously intellekshooul. I have been, at various times in my life, a stoner and an intellectual and have pretty much been a Floyd fan through it all. I don't, however, consider Floyd a prog band in the same way that King Crimson or Genesis or Moody Blues were prog bands. Floyd uses too many blues scales and were surely influenced more by Robert Johnson than Richard Wagner. Prog bands generally avoid anything remotely sounding like the blues for fear of coming off not "serious" enough. >Ditto for the difference between >Rush and Genesis. Plenty of proggies treat Rush fans like retarded >circus freaks. ;) I would say that's a fair assessment. Although the comparison might be a bit insulting to those poor, honest, hard-working circus freaks. > >Personally, I definitely consider Rush to be "arty hard-rock" more >than "hard-rocking prog." And while I have no way of testing this >theory, I suspect Rush fans are, correspondingly, more prone to enjoy >*Metallica* than Genesis. You totally nailed this on the head. Most Rush fans I know wouldn't even think of owning a Moodys album or a King Crimson album. Same goes for Tool fans, come to think of it. >For whatever reason, the other group whose "progginess" seems to get >constantly debated is Kansas. A band which I just don't give a damn >about, either way. I'll leave that one to others. When there is an absence of Mellotrons, a violin makes an acceptable substitute. ;) Granted, I have a limited knowledge of Kansas, but I'd place them closer to your definition of Rush -- "arty hard-rock" -- than I would to "hard- rocking prog". - -- Cheers! - -g- "In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments -- there are Consequences." - --R.G. Ingersoll ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:46:00 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Speaking of Prog Rock... ...how come no one's brought up Gentle Giant? Now *THERE* was a prog band! - -- Cheers! - -g- "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:56:08 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Speaking of Prog Rock... Yes and Genesis were the premier prog rock bands of all time - their pretension was on a whole level further than anyone else. I like Genesis better, though - they had better songs. Renaissance also deserves mention. And ELP. Ken Iosso -----Original Message----- From: Glen Uber [mailto:apostrophe@cruxofthebiscuit.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:46 PM To: Something Shakespeare Never Said Subject: Speaking of Prog Rock... ...how come no one's brought up Gentle Giant? Now *THERE* was a prog band! - -- Cheers! - -g- "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:57:27 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Rush/Genesis >I don't, however, >consider Floyd a prog band in the same way that King Crimson or Genesis >or Moody Blues were prog bands. Floyd uses too many blues scales and were >surely influenced more by Robert Johnson than Richard Wagner. True. I always think of Pink Floyd as basically a psychedelic-rock band who matured into an accessible AOR commodity. To me, the only PF material which has strong prog relevance is that less popular era between Syd and Dark Side of the Moon, where albums like Ummagumma, Meddle and Atom Heart Mother mesh pretty well with the concurrent space-rock/Krautrock sounds. Otherwise...ehhh. As for Gentle Giant, I'm pretty damn ignorant about that band. Not sure that I've heard a single note of them. I always figure that I'll buy a used GG record for $2 sometime and give it the acid test, but I just haven't come across that deal. Are we having all this traditional-'70s talk lately, just to spite the departed Quail? ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:02:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Speaking of Prog Rock... >Yes and Genesis were the premier prog rock bands of all time - their >pretension was on a whole level further than anyone else. The latter part of that sentence is just *wrong*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:07:27 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: the psychology of music taste Quoting Thomas Rodebaugh : > ooo! psychology twice in one week. . . > > i haven't actually read the entire journal article yet, but one thing to > note is it's from jpsp, which is the top journal in social and > personality > psych--which is not to say it's automatically good, just that it's much > more likely to be. > > . . . and the nonsig correlations are not necessarily a problem with the > study--the more interesting thing is that with that huge a sample size, > the correlations that were found are extremely likely to be "true," at > least for the relevant population (probably college students). Of course, I'm unable to address the more technical aspects of the article - but aside from the sample population problem (people in their 20s, mostly: as is often the case, the study really helps define The Psychology of Mostly White, Mostly Female College Students), and perhaps some quibbles with which songs were used as examples to define genres (Johnny Cash's cover of "Rusty Cage" as one of ten songs defining "country"? But I'm amused to note that one of the "rock" songs was Zappa's "San Ber'dino") - the main issue that comes to mind for me is that it seems, if I read correctly, that the emotional states the authors used (Reflective and Complex, Intense and Rebellious, Upbeat and Conventional, Energetic and Rhythmic) are a bit suspect. First, it seems there's not much correspondence (someone better equippped to read these things help me out here) between apparently obviously related reactions as "intense" and "energetic" (I'm having a hard time imagining something "energetic" not being "intense" at least not in the sense of "intensely energetic"). But it also seems as if the judges pretty much slotted the music into genres and named the emotional states themselves, rather than let the subjects do that, or at least take the subjects' views into account. The judges' own musical tastes and personalities would seem relevant here, esp. as there weren't that many judges. The result is that everything seems, well, a bit obvious (people who regard themselves as energetic and upbeat like songs that are energetic and upbeat). And I don't know: do people really like genres rather than songs, or artists? I suppose some do...but given *any* genre, is anyone likely to like even half the songs supposedly exemplifying that genre (assuming they could hear them)? In fact, I think people who like genres make *more* distinctions within that genre ("Britney's way better than Christina"; "Thelonious Monk's way better than Charles Mingus"): what allows them to do so? I'd be curious to see a study that attempts to elucidate from subjects what criteria in the music they judge music by. I think we've talked about this here before - but among my more music-casual friends, music is often liked primarily by emotional association ("I love this song - it was really popular when I was in high school"), whereas people who are more into music tend to use more abstract criteria. Along the same lines, the authors of this study don't seem to have attempted to find out whether subjects liked any given piece of music because of its music, its lyrics, or some combination. Obviously, genre's going to make a difference: probably, more folk fans are going to favor lyrics than jazz fans. But w/in the same genre, I wonder if there's a difference whether people "hear" lyrics first, music first, or neither? I suppose that's almost like asking, "do people who consider themselves serious music fans approach music differently than those who consider themselves casual fans - and in what ways?" - a question I think is more interesting than the ones the study addresses. I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of someone asked to do this study, and imagine the bafflement that might result if I said I liked rock, alternative, jazz, classical, and electronica (using their genre names) but strongly disliked more than half the "exemplary" songs in each category, for instance. Or to try to figure out why I like particular artists - like that Robyn fellow, say. Certainly, I like his lyrics more than average - and I pay more attention to them than I do to most lyrics - and a lot of the styles he assays, I generally like...but I could imagine any number of songs quite similar stylistically to any number of Robyn songs, done by inferior artists, which I'd completely hate or at least be bored stiff by. Yet I'd never say lyrics usually make the difference for me - nor would I say that in Robyn's case. I'd just say he does what he does *better* than many folks doing similar things - in some cases to the extent that I can like examples of subgenres Robyn does even when I don't like the subgenre otherwise. > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Aaron Mandel > > Subject: the psychology of music taste > > > > An Australian article about research on the correlation between > > personality and musical taste: > > > > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/10/1057783259813.html > > > > And the (dense, technical) paper it's based on: > > ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:16:55 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: Speaking of Prog Rock... "Cans and brahms" anyone? How about "Supper's Ready" which I do love? I know there have been many bands who are pretentious, but the sheer consistency of thematic albums, classical allusions, funny costumes, and self-seriousness I think puts them in a league of their own. I shudder to think of your competing evidence - but bring it on. Ken Iosso -----Original Message----- From: Eb [mailto:ElBroome@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:03 PM To: fgz Subject: RE: Speaking of Prog Rock... >Yes and Genesis were the premier prog rock bands of all time - their >pretension was on a whole level further than anyone else. The latter part of that sentence is just *wrong*. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #273 ********************************