From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #268 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, July 13 2003 Volume 12 : Number 268 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Capuchin ] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Eb ] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Goodbye Arguing Canadians [Tom Clark ] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Goodbye Arguing Canadians [Tom Clark ] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [stevetalkowski@mac.com] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Sebastian Hagedorn ] More Spears ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Goodbye [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: More Spears [Steve Talkowski ] Re: More Spears [Capuchin ] Re: More Spears ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Goodbye ["Maximilian Lang" ] Phase III of my diabolical master plan [JH3 ] Re: Phase III of my diabolical master plan ["Maximilian Lang" ] you say goodbye i say hello toronto [Caroline Smith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 stevetalkowski@mac.com wrote: > LOL - would you expect anything less from him? > > The notion of "supporting" his community by cheating the local theatre > out of 5 movies speaks volumes. Oh, and while it's true that nobody paid for my admission, I didn't state that in my previous post. So you assume that I was snide and you assume that I "cheated" and you completely ignored the possibility that you could be wrong yourself and put all the blame on me. Personally, I don't have a problem with sitting in on movies that I wouldn't pay to see. I wouldn't call that cheating at all. I paid the price that it was worth to me. Had someone suggested that I pay the posted price, I would have simply declined, no harm. As it is, I have a friend who is a manager at that theater chain who gives me passes (more correctly, I have a very close friend who used to be a manager at that chain who is friends with a current manager who gives us both passes). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:01:55 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing >On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 stevetalkowski@mac.com wrote: >> The notion of "supporting" his community by cheating the local theatre > > out of 5 movies speaks volumes. Me, I'm just trying to imagine how anyone could bear to sit through *five* films in a row. Especially such high-concept mainstream fare...especially someone so fond of railing against "Hollywood." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:29:41 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing Quoting Caroline Smith : > On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 02:58 PM, Capuchin wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Caroline Smith wrote: > >> i walk into a wall of smog each time i leave the house. plans are to > >> leave the city as soon as hubby and i figure out what we want to do. > > > > May I suggest staying in the city and working to fix the problem > > instead > > of moving on to greener pastures (as it were) and leaving the problem > > for > > others? > But hey... if this isn't my home... where is? How do I define home? I'm > a member of a > community aren't I? Doesn't feel like it. Where does the motivation to > help come from > if you don't feel a sense of community? Good question...although I'd next wonder what you mean by "community." To me, it means something like "regardless of personal feelings, we're all in this together, so we'd best figure out how to live and work together." It doesn't necessarily mean "I love you, you love me" etc. (That's "friendship" or "camaraderie" or something else.) I've moved from a town where > everyone > gets their mail and gossip at the same post office to a building where > neighbors don't > speak in the elevator. Perhaps because you're from such a town: me, I'd hate to go to a post office where everyone's gossiping about me and people I know, and scrutinizing my mail, etc. And dammit, shut up at me on the elevator - can't a man get any time to himself? ;) I guess I'm just a city person - really, I love going out in public and not being bothered. When I used to ride the bus to work and school, it would always sort of disappoint me if someone I knew was on the bus as well: not because I'm generally antisocial, but because I used that part of the morning to sort of compose my thoughts (I think I was never fully awake until I actually got to work or school). And yet it's not as if I ignore people - I mean, just the other day at the grocery store, a woman left her glasses case behind after buying her groceries. I called after her, holding up the case - she came back and retrieved it, and thanked me. But I wouldn't want to have turned that into a lengthy conversation. > Why not stay in the city and work at making it better? > I just turned 30. Hopefully I'm going to start a family in the next > couple > of years. I want to take my kids to a beach with clean water. > I want them to see the stars at night. I want them to have a back yard > to play in. > Hell, I want a back yard to play in. The "problem" here, hypothetically, is simply this: if everyone who wants what you wants acts as you propose to act, the only people left in the city will be those who don't care about clean beaches, clear skies, or even back yards. But if people who want those things instead worked together to say, hey, clean up the beaches (what's causing them to become polluted?); clean up the emissions that fuck up the sky - and support urban green spaces that, even if they're not privatized back yards, are usable, safe public spaces that kids and others can play in. I'm sort of spoiled on the last point: Milwaukee has a fantastic parks system. You can't go more than a mile without running into a part of at least two-three square blocks, and most of them are fairly well maintained. (The city was run by Socialists from the early part of the 20th century clear into the 1950s - they were known as "sewer socialists," disparagingly at first, for their focus on mundane public goods, but that attitude's paid off in a fairly solid, workable infrastructure, as well as the park system.) > The city gives me claustrophobia. Some people love the pace and > lifestyle. Other people can't breathe (literally and figuratively). And while that's true, it would make sense, perhaps, to think what you could do, even if you move out. Not everyone can live in the city, true - and certainly the sorts of decisions you mention above are also important. The idea shouldn't be to be judgmental of others' decisions, at least not without knowing the large context of what other decisions they've made. As to Mike Wells' departure: hey, who's going to razz me about Cheeseheads now? I think Cap's reputation precedes and emanates as a penumbra about him (!)...I'd say that his last few weeks' posts have at least shown an *effort* not to jump down people's throats. But hey - I wasn't here for several years (I think I first sub'd in '96 or so, was on for about a year, quit, came back, quit, came back, and have now been on for about a year and a half or two years. It feels like the longest consecutive sub streak for me) - so what do I know? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:37:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing >As to Mike Wells' departure First Quail, now Mike. Soon we may have no Rush fans left at all. :( While I'm here, can I request that someone please exterminate everyone who refers to The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen as "LXG"? Thanks. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:57:51 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Goodbye Arguing Canadians Wow, quite a weird sequence of events here. Jeme does a attitudinal 180 (well, maybe just a 90, but we'll take it), and M. Wells bails post haste. Strange indeed. Knowing J like we all do, I thought his response to Caroline was completely constructive and worthy of some sane debate. Too bad it was the straw that broke Mike's back, especially in light of Caroline's response. I've been thinking a lot about Jeme's suggestion a while ago about a neighborhood sharing one or two lawn mowers - it's just so logical. Yet, as J. Norman brought up - it probably depends on the neighbors. I personally live on a nice street in one of the two "desirable" communities in San Jose, and yet, I really don't want to talk to my neighbors (luckily there are no elevators on my street). I guess my sauvignon blanc-addled brain is trying to express the notion of "nice concept, difficult to implement". I've also been kicking around the thought of getting a T-1 line to my house and splitting it with neighbors, who would be connected via a high speed wireless network. A friend at Apple had planned this out a while ago - I still need to follow up and see how it went with him. Kill Whitey, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:29:50 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing Quoting Eb : > While I'm here, can I request that someone please exterminate > everyone who refers to The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen as > "LXG"? Thanks. Sure. And as part of *my* efforts to reinforce the concept of community (but not in an icky Amitai Etzioni way), the same should go for anyone who uses Prince-spelling. (I *may* be persuaded to exempt 12-year-old girls.) Only it should be done as slowly and as painfully as possible - putting the 2 U back in "tor2Ure"... Although that sort of thing is okay in other languages: I mean, we could refer to "M1 Kampf," or to the noise someone makes when they're gut-punched as "1" (in French). Actually, counting in French sounds a lot like someone reading the sound effects from a fight on the sixties _Batman_ tv show... Or maybe that's only when Canadians do it. (Damn, where's Fric Chaud when we need him?) ..Jeff - BIFF! BAM!! UN!! DEUX!!! TROIS!!! J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:09:45 -0700 From: "randalljr" Subject: RE: omg the canadians are arguing Eb> >As to Mike Wells' departure First Quail, now Mike. Soon we may have no Rush fans left at all. :( #################### Don't remind me. I have half a mind to unsub for this very reason, and blame it on Jeme : ) BTW, if Eddie is out there, I stopped by your restaurant on the way back from camping and lo and behold, it was closed. I was seeking that free lunch that was promised years ago..... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:35:19 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Goodbye Arguing Canadians Quoting Tom Clark : > I've been thinking a lot about Jeme's suggestion a while ago about a > neighborhood sharing one or two lawn mowers - it's just so logical. Yet, > as > J. Norman brought up - it probably depends on the neighbors. And on the attitudes. I mean, everything's so "me me me" that, yeah, you'd worry you weren't getting your share of the mower's usage, or that someone else ruined something, blah-blah-blah. Yet there are elements in society that do enact cooperation in interesting ways. How many people here regularly camp in state parks? It would, in fact, be pretty easy to rip stuff off - things are left lying about, car doors often left unlocked - yet the sort of community understanding is that that just isn't done - and most often, it isn't. Funny...put all those same people in, say, an urban environment - and you wonder how many of them *would* take advantage of others' lax security... (By the way, "lax security" keeps wanting to be typed as "lax sexurity"...not sure what that would be, but...) > Kill Whitey Whitey Ford? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:46:43 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Goodbye Arguing Canadians on 7/12/03 9:35 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey at jenor@uwm.edu wrote: > How many people here regularly camp in state parks? It would, in fact, be > pretty easy to rip stuff off - things are left lying about, car doors often > left unlocked - yet the sort of community understanding is that that just > isn't done - and most often, it isn't. Funny...put all those same people in, > say, an urban environment - and you wonder how many of them *would* take > advantage of others' lax security... > Yeah, it's funny how people change their heads when they're in a different environment. An open car window, a camera on the seat, an urban mall parking lot - gone. Same situation at a campground and it could sit there all day. Might also say something about people who camp. > >> Kill Whitey > > Whitey Ford? > I fully expected this to come from Russ Reynolds, but he's on digest so I guess you beat him to it. I actually meant Whitey from 'Leave It To Beaver'. That fucker owes me twenty bucks. - -tc, off to watch "Adaptation" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:11:18 -0400 From: stevetalkowski@mac.com Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 09:41 PM, Capuchin wrote: > Oh, and while it's true that nobody paid for my admission, I didn't > state > that in my previous post. So you assume that I was snide and you > assume > that I "cheated" and you completely ignored the possibility that you > could > be wrong yourself and put all the blame on me. It did cross my mind when responding, but based on your curriculum vitae, I hit "send" without a second thought. I apologize for assuming. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:16:34 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on Samstag, 12. Juli 2003 19:01 Uhr -0700 regarding Re: omg the canadians are arguing: >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 stevetalkowski@mac.com wrote: >>> The notion of "supporting" his community by cheating the local theatre >> > out of 5 movies speaks volumes. > > Me, I'm just trying to imagine how anyone could bear to sit through > *five* films in a row. Especially such high-concept mainstream > fare...especially someone so fond of railing against "Hollywood." Five is the upper limit. I often watch two movies in a row, but I've been to the Berlinale aka the Berlin International Film Festival (alas only once) and the cheapest way to get through it was to go to the theater for the press screenings. In those days they took place in a building commonly known as the "pregnant oyster". Anyway, you showed up in the morning and picked up day passes at a price of $15 IIRC. Then you could watch *all* the films that were screened that day. Normally that turned out to be four, but I remember one day with five films, including Spike Lee's Malcolm X and Woody Allen's Husbands And Wives. That came pretty close to (self-inflicted) torture ... hmm, I don't mean because of the choice of films, but because of the length. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:00:28 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing - -- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey is rumored to have mumbled on Samstag, 12. Juli 2003 22:29 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: omg the canadians are arguing: > Perhaps because you're from such a town: me, I'd hate to go to a post > office where everyone's gossiping about me and people I know, and > scrutinizing my mail, etc. And dammit, shut up at me on the elevator - > can't a man get any time to himself? ;) > > I guess I'm just a city person - really, I love going out in public and > not being bothered. When I used to ride the bus to work and school, it > would always sort of disappoint me if someone I knew was on the bus as > well: not because I'm generally antisocial, but because I used that part > of the morning to sort of compose my thoughts (I think I was never fully > awake until I actually got to work or school). I feel the same way regarding other people. For instance, I prefer the anonymity of supermarkets over small shops where I actually have to interact with people etc. I couldn't imagine living in a small town. As to getting awake: often it takes me another hour *at* work until I'm fully awake ... better not talk to me before my first coffee there ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Space Aliens have taken over Terrence Long's body the past few days (thank god) Kenneth Johnson wrote: > Yeah, Simpsons character names expand beyond just > Portland street names to include Groening's family and > simply place names around Oregon. i.e. the town of > Burns, Oregon & the aforementioned Mt Skinner. I thought Montgomery Burns came from a Montgomery Ward store burning down when he was around 11 or 12 (and a lot of the names probably have multiple inspirations for that matter). ==== ross taylor wrote: > Rex-- > >really no such thing as "an obscure Beatles song" > > Not the ones they recorded. But some of those songs they > gave away are pretty darn good & > no one covers them much. Here's a list: > > http://www.liv.ac.uk/ipm/beatles/breflib/gaveaway.html Did anyone listen to/get that album of such covers with Kate Pierson, the guy from Buffalo Tom, etc that came out earlier this year? Of course, it's debatable whether those are really Beatles songs, or just Lennon-McCartney (or Harrison) songs they wrote for someone else. Not that it matters much though. ==== Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Milwaukee ...was run by Socialists from the early part of > the 20th century Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know; we all saw Alice Cooper's speech in Wayne's World. ==== James Dignan wrote: Rex, then Dwarf, then Rex.... >>>>A Lot Like The Church's But Not Quite as Good (that >>>>being the definition of the House of Love). >>> >>>I think you have that backwards... >> >>Not for my money, but YMMV. As much legitimate smack as >>can be talked about the Church, I hear a little more depth >>and originality in their sound. Not that I don't like >>the House of Love, they just strike me as more of a >>workaday variation on the theme. See, I just think that ultimately Chadwick has a stronger voice, both literally and literarily, than Kilbey, and Pete Evans is a better drummer than Ploog. I do like The Church though. > I know I'm bound to be biased in this, but I'd put the > House of Love closer in sound to the Chills than the > Church. Certainly quite a bit of the Butterfly album > sound like Martin Phillipps and co to me. And HOL did cover "Pink Frost" (though I've never heard it). I don't have enough Chills -- just Soft Bomb and the HPH comp -- to say about them or The Church being more HOL-like. Of course, they are all really all VU-like anyways, so. ==== > [Rex and James bitching about how fat they feel being > average weight] Eh, fuck off! :) ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 04:09:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Goodbye >Wow, quite a weird sequence of events here. Jeme does a attitudinal 180 >(well, maybe just a 90, but we'll take it), and M. Wells bails post haste. >Strange indeed. Knowing J like we all do, I thought his response to >Caroline was completely constructive and worthy of some sane debate. I thought J's post was basically "constructive," but I was also anticipating a more contentious followup. It was already heading in that direction of telling Caroline what she SHOULD do, if she wishes to walk the righteous path. And my alarm was already twitching over J's weakly supported attacks on Target (less entrances = evil, etc.), so.... >Sebastian: >Woody Allen's Husbands And Wives. Funny you mention seeing that, because that film was sort of a unique theater experience for me. I liked and respected the film, but between the edgy anxiety of the characters and the hyper-jittery camera work, I left the theater with a really sick headache which stayed with me the rest of the night. Ugh. Never had that happen before or since. Meanwhile, Britney Spears is busily jumping the shark with an ill-advised image change: http://hellomagazine.com/2003/07/11/britneyspears/imgs/britney-dop2a.jpg Barf bag, anyone? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:29:04 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: More Spears I don't usually laugh at skimpily clad women but.... http://entertainment.msn.com/photos/gallery.aspx?gallery=1178&photo=121380#photos _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:24:13 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Goodbye Quoting Eb : > Meanwhile, Britney Spears is busily jumping the shark with an > ill-advised image change: > http://hellomagazine.com/2003/07/11/britneyspears/imgs/britney-dop2a.jpg So did you and Max plan that? I suppose she* figures, "hey, I've told 'em I'm not a virgin - my only option is to look like a whore." Sad. *Actually, I'm under no particular illusions that she's running her own career. I imagine at least 15 people were involved in choosing this outfit. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:33:27 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: More Spears On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 11:29 AM, Maximilian Lang wrote: > I don't usually laugh at skimpily clad women but.... > > http://entertainment.msn.com/photos/ > gallery.aspx?gallery=1178&photo=121380#photos Those are clearly Roy Lichtenstein-esque tights, not Warhol-esque. (She does have a nice mid-drift though...) Your resident art-geek, - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:54:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: More Spears On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Steve Talkowski wrote: > On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 11:29 AM, Maximilian Lang wrote: > > http://entertainment.msn.com/photos/gallery.aspx?gallery=1178&photo=121380#photos > > Those are clearly Roy Lichtenstein-esque tights, not Warhol-esque. That's exactly what I was going to write. (And DAMN that page is not text-browser friendly! What a hassle I went through to find the image.) > (She does have a nice mid-drift though...) That's not right, is it? "mid-drift"? Anyway, it's surprisingly un-bony for an idol type, but it smacks of pornstar. > Your resident art-geek, Does it take an art-geek to tell the difference between Lichtenstein and Warhol? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:17:14 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: More Spears >From: Capuchin >Subject: Re: More Spears >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:54:06 -0700 (PDT) >Anyway, it's surprisingly un-bony for an idol type, but it smacks of >pornstar. I have always said that she is not a pretty girl, she is more the hot porn star type. Max _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:18:52 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Goodbye >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Subject: Re: Goodbye >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:24:13 -0500 >Quoting Eb : > > Meanwhile, Britney Spears is busily jumping the shark with an > > ill-advised image change: > > http://hellomagazine.com/2003/07/11/britneyspears/imgs/britney-dop2a.jpg >So did you and Max plan that? No, I was following his lead, I saw that pic after viewing the one EB posted to the link to. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:21:04 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Phase III of my diabolical master plan Sad to see everyone go, but those of us who are cleverly playing the ol' "waiting game" are finally beginning to reap the inevitable rewards... to wit: > Michael "maybe John Hedges III can have his > quotes back now" Wells I mean, jeez, it's about time! John "and you might as well check out my new web site, while you're at it" Hedges III http://www.jh3.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of John H. Hedges.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:26:09 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Phase III of my diabolical master plan >From: JH3 >Subject: Phase III of my diabolical master plan >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:21:04 -0500 >Sad to see everyone go, but those of us who are cleverly >playing the ol' "waiting game" are finally beginning to reap >the inevitable rewards... to wit: > > Michael "maybe John Hedges III can have his > > quotes back now" Wells >I mean, jeez, it's about time! >John "and you might as well check out my new >web site, while you're at it" Hedges III I knew that there was method in your silence. Max"I knew there was method in his silence" Lang _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:41:21 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Back to work. I know this is something that clogs up peoples email but....I am going back to work tomorrow. I would like to thank those who sent along kind words while I was out of work. Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:51:15 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: you say goodbye i say hello toronto Well what a weekend... Sorry for disappearing. I wasn't avoiding the hoopla. Just entertaining family for the weekend. I feel like I should say a few words concerning my response to Jeme. I don't know Jeme nor am I familiar with his style of writing. I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. I assumed that he was asking a legitimate question. I'm sorry that Michael chose to leave the list (the same reasons I un-subscribed two months ago). I'm sure he'll be back. IN OTHER NEWS Stewart, Randi and I are plotting a Luxor listening party here in Toronto. No plans are definite yet. No date chosen etc. If there are any Toronto lurkers (or adventuresome tourists?) out there who would like to join us, please send us an e-mail. This will be our first time meeting and should be .... uh..... maybe fun? Caroline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:06:18 -0700 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: Talk To Me About Elvis Three Kings used different film stocks and speeds to great effect. *really* looking forward to see what russell's going to do next. (i guess soderbergh must've done the same thing with Traffic a few years later, though Three Kings is the far superior film.) the musical sequences in Dancer In The Dark were all shot using 100 stationary digital video cameras, and von trier says that that's not enough - -- that he'd like to have 10,000 cameras covering a scene. edward yang's use of reflections and wide-angle lenses is innovative and *very* interesting -- and, of course, done completely in-camera. his overall philosophy -- shooting only on location, and leaving 30% of the shooting schedule open to capture unexpected performances, weather events, accidents, etc. -- is cool, too. (in his Yi Yi commentary, he talks about having had to "wait for real rain" in one scene, because the "fake rain just doesn't look right". which is kinda funny when you think about it.) altman's technique -- using multiple moving cameras and individually mic-ing each actor, so that the actors don't know when they're "on" -- is nothing new. he's always been doing it, but he's *still* doing it, and i suppose he's the only one doing anything like that. O Brother, Where Art Thou?'s and The Man Who Wasn't There's images were manipulated in post-production, but en masse. so that was pretty neat. and, personally, while i think mixing CGI "characters" with live action is an absolute travesty, post-production opticals, when done right, can really be the cat's meow. the Who Framed Roger Rabbit DVD is completely fascinating on this topic. the commentary tracks continually say things like, "and remember, this was all done without computers." but i suspect that if a Roger Rabbit were to be made today that it wouldn't look half as bitchin'. all the "animation" would be a bunch of stupid Shrek bullshit. speaking of altman, finally saw Gosford Park. that and Monsoon Wedding are the two movies i've seen this year that have really blown me away -- probably why the queues for both DVDs at the library were so amazingly looooooooong. fucking worth the wait, though! if i'd seen them by then, both would have placed pretty highly on that list of my fave 25 movies of the previous 25 years that i'd compiled in december. in fact, i've seen all of altman's "major" films several times, and i'm convinced that Gosford Park is his greatest achievement. wouldn't have believed that at his age he could top Short Cuts and McCabe And Mrs. Miller. but there you go. (Spider-Man, on the other hand, would have beaten out Sleepy Hollow -- just barely -- for the worst movie of the last 25 years....) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #268 ********************************