From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #267 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 12 2003 Volume 12 : Number 267 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: lefty bassists ["russ reynolds" ] Re: truly obscure beatles etc. ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Potential anti-REAP? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: LA Beer/Lack Thereof [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Paer.... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: truly obscure beatles etc. [Capuchin ] Re: Paer.... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Covers of covers, rake solos, etc, ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: truly obscure beatles etc. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Caroline Smith ] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Capuchin ] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Caroline Smith ] Re: Goodbye [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Beatles covers [Dee ] House of Love, Beatles, Weight [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [stevetalkowski@mac.com] Re: omg the canadians are arguing [Capuchin ] Re: Goodbye [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:55:25 -0700 From: "russ reynolds" Subject: Re: lefty bassists A while back--before a week's vacation--I said something like this: >>> Saw "1964 The Tribute" a couple of months back. >>> In the 'overkill' department Fake Ringo also >>> taught himself to play drums left handed. which prompted Ken to say: >> So Ringo is left-handed as well? to which Glen responded: > Ringo is left-handed, but I am certain that he played a right-handed > kit, ...and of of course Glen--as always--is correct. I misspoke. Fake Ringo is a lefty who taught himself to play a right-handed kit just like Real Ringo...which probably moves the item out of the 'overkill' department and into the 'super-double-overkill' department, considering the comparitive glut of drummers who already know how to play right handed. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:59:34 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: truly obscure beatles etc. MRG: > a) I was surprised not to see more McCartney in the recent 70s selections. > Did _anybody_ nominate 'Band on the run'? I was this/close to putting "Venus and Mars" on mine, one of the last to get cut out. Seemed omnipresent at times though "Band" was admittedly a better album. Glen U1: > Sacramento is pretty darn close to this description, too. Sacramento in > the summer is one of the most miserable places on earth. Amen to that, brother. My Dad's from Stockton and we would be through there every so often when I was a kid. For some reason I grew up with the impression that Lodi, just up the road and where my Mom spent much of her formative years, was much more pleasant...though that may just be because her family there was much nicer than my Dad's. Barstow, on the other hand, is one God-forsaken sun-blasted Hellhole. And I mean that in the nicest way. Glen U2: > Wow! Both Targets in my area have extensive home and garden centers. > Maybe they feel they can't compete with FM in that area in Portland. I have to toss in a late vote for the all-time greatest store that ever was...the original Farm & Fleet stores of the Upper Midwest. Farm implements, guns, appliances, tools, machinery repair, fertilizers, all manner of working clothes and boots. You could buy a kayak or a single fuse, plumbing supplies or fishing gear, and outerwear that was serious business, for people who lived in it - quality handmade stuff that takes finding these days. I guess the brothers that started the business fell out and started up competing chains, because there's a couple versions now and last time I was in one it had gone low-end...like Wal-Mart for rural folks and the merchandise was crap and mostly imported. Fighting off the urge to go see "Extraordinary Terminators of the Caribbean" or whatever the heck it's called tomorrow while the wife and kids are away...I have a lengthy to-do list, but haven't seen a movie since "Mighty Wind" and such a chance may not come again for awhile. Choices, choices... Michael "maybe I'll just lay in bed all damn day" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:11:09 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Potential anti-REAP? Quoting Tom Clark : > on 7/11/03 3:04 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > > > Pixies? > > > > http://www.nme.com/news/105556.htm > > Best news all month. Hmmm...I'm cynical. As you might guess, I'm a Pixies fan - but I worry that unless the plan is to write new stuff, and not consciously recreate "Pixies" style, it'll sound stale and forced. They're all rather different people (well, okay - no idea really re Santiago & Lovering - but FB's stuff is very different indeed from his work in the Pixies, as is Deal's). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:14:07 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: LA Beer/Lack Thereof Quoting Glen Uber : > Yeah, I'm not a wine guy at all. I don't trust any alcoholic beverage > that requires you to spit it out in order to judge how good it is. Y'know, there really must be a joke in here somewhere, what with the recent hair-spooging thread - but I just can't think of it. Pity... Re Atkins Diet: Isn't that the one where you fire the guitar player and bassist, bang hell out of the drums, and just have John Lydon mewl evilly over the top? (More seriously, I believe it works - for the shrot term - essentially by poisoning oneself...ketosis? and like most fad diets, is probably not really a good idea. Eat less, exercise more: duh.) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Paer.... I don't have a link, but Letterman tonight announced that Warren Zevon's first grandchild was just born; a nice little ray of sunshine for him and his family given that he's not long for the world these days. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:52:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: truly obscure beatles etc. On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Michael Wells wrote: > Fighting off the urge to go see "Extraordinary Terminators of the > Caribbean" or whatever the heck it's called tomorrow while the wife and > kids are away...I have a lengthy to-do list, but haven't seen a movie > since "Mighty Wind" and such a chance may not come again for awhile. > Choices, choices... I took a "guilty pleasure day" (as well as an extremely lazy day) and saw a shitload of movies at the cineplex all at once (no, I didn't pay for any of them). I just need to speak up and say that Terminator 3 is a really good sci-fi flick. It's got a good story and it ties into the back-story where it needs to and has a great classic science fiction ending. Exactly the sort of thing a time travel series is all about. The relationship between destiny, pre-ordainment and manipulation across timestreams is touched upon just enough to make you think about it, but not so much that the film itself reveals its own plot holes or explains away possibilities that are more interesting than the writers might have managed. And it's all pretty good except for the stupid car chase that takes place in the first half of the movie and involves every important character to the story and nobody else. Much like the fight scenes in The Matrix Reloaded, there was absolutely no tension and it all seemed pointless. OF COURSE everybody's going to make it out OK, so what's the point in dangling him off a crane or whatever? Anyway, the ending was satisfying enough to me to excuse whatever the early middle lacked. Pirates of the Carribean was a fun cartoon and entertaining and all. The story wasn't particularly compelling, but the concept behind the cursed pirates was actually pretty clever and not totally recycled. Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle was just shit. It was just made up of a bunch of shots and scenes from other movies that we were supposed to recognize and smile and nod and pretend it's smart or funny or something. And, just for the record, Cameron Diaz has the ass of a twelve-year-old and putting her in little boys' underwear just makes it that much creepier. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was predictable and bland. The special effects were unbelievably stunning. And the Nautilus was really great looking, though it didn't look like a ship that might be mistaken for a sea creature, as Verne described it. Nitpick #1929101: Why the FUCK does everyone who interprets 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea always put the divers in old-style diving helmets? Verne very carefully explained the breathing aparatus used by the divers and it involved a small tent over the mouth and nose and masks over the eyes. He very clearly described scuba equipment, not 1950s diving gear. At least this movie gave them air tanks on their backs, but the helmets are just wrong, wrong, wrong. 28 Days Later was a touch predictable and underexplicated (which, I suppose, is better than overexplicated like most movies, but it was still a little annoying), but still quite good. I had a hard time convincing my companion that it had gone from video to film in the middle of the climactic action sequence, but she eventually couldn't deny it. I do wonder why they shot so much of it on video when they clearly had a massive budget. I think the stark effect could have been achieved with filters and such and we could have still enjoyed the depth of film. I think the first half of Pitch Black was a great testament to what can be done with filters and creative exposure. Nobody really does interesting things with the camera itself anymore... all the effects are done digitally or mechanically in post-production. I want to say something here about pinhole lenses and deep focus, but I'm sleepy. That's all. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Paer.... Jeff Dwarf wrote: > I don't have a link, but Letterman tonight announced that > Warren Zevon's first grandchild was just born; a nice > little ray of sunshine for him and his family given that > he's not long for the world these days. Actually, it was a re-run, so this is slightly old news. Nevermind.... ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:46:07 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Covers of covers, rake solos, etc, Caroline Smith wrote: > > Indy cars are actually fueled by methanol. still doesn't stop 'em spewing NOx; were you downtown last year over the Molson weekend? The smog was toxic; I could barely see. > It's an exciting event. Me, I'd rather watch paint dry. But everyone gets their gout, as the French say in bad translation. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:53:00 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: truly obscure beatles etc. Capuchin wrote: > > I want to say something > here about pinhole lenses and deep focus, but I'm sleepy. You'd have to have extremely fast film; yer average pinhole is about f/128, with exposures typically 50-100x longer than you'd have with a lens. cool effect, tho'. And you *cannot* add pinhole effects digital. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 07:52:32 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Jeffrey's Freaky Spring Mix CD Trade Thingy > Less best: done the above w/o the list-posting. F**k. I promised this time I was going to at least get my post up before Jeffrey's first (mildly sarcastic and thankfully offlist) reminder. Damn it. Anyway, I received the second installment in Jeffrey's Spring Freaky CD Trade Thingy a couple of weeks ago - entitled "The Devil Glitched," prepared by Stewart Mason on Loud-Fans and it's a doozy. The running theme involves the title track by Chris Butler, and is explained to me thusly: "Chris Butler's "The Devil Glitch" is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the world's longest pop song with no instrumental breaks or repeated verses: it's 69 minutes long. The six parts of the song that are on the disc are the first 4:33 and the last 4:33, with four more one-minute sections in between. Those four sections correspond on the swap disc to their points in the song itself. In other words, the bit that starts at 15:25 or whatever on the swap disc is the part of the song that runs from 15:25 to 16:25." (strangely enough, I had done something slightly similar when this thing was Ed Poole's Freaky CD Trade Thingy a couple years ago...positioned each track on the mix disc in the same track position it occupied on the source; easy for # 1- 10, but a little tougher at track 24. maybe that's why I'm still waiting for my return disc from that trade ;) ) Anyway it works wonderfully on this disc. While I'll cop to not having a chance to really delve into it other than as driving music and trying to get a feel for it as a whole, I can say that there is a wonderful flow (i.e. tracks 7 - 12 is a brilliant section) and it contains gobs of music I have never heard before. All in all, a stellar trade disc, big thank you's go around the world to Stewart (Mason) and again to Jeffrey for organizing the deal. Michael "there's even some G*me The*ry for you fans out there" Wells The Devil Glitched 1. The Devil Glitch (part 1) - Chris Butler 2. Irk the Purists - Half Man Half Biscuit 3. Click Your Fingers Applauding the Play - Roky Erickson and the Aliens 4. Just Too Bloody Stupid - Close Lobsters 5 West Essex - Masters of the Hemisphere 6. The Devil Glitch (part 2) - Chris Butler 7. All Blues - Danny Thompson 8. Now That I Am Dead (live) - Richard Thompson 9. The Devil Glitch (part 3) - Chris Butler 10. Year Waxing, Year Waning - Appendix Out 11. Spring Came, Rain Fell - Club 8 12. Living With Victoria Grey - Cleaners from Venus 13. Strychnine - Dame Darcy 14. Tender Words - Family Fodder 15. The Devil Glitch (part 4) - Chris Butler 16. Hygiene Aisle - Methadones 17. Fuck the World - Queers 18. Don't Want Anything to Change - The Primitives 19. Get Away From the Wall - Ivor Cutler 20. Satie: Avant-Dernieres Pensees 1 - Jan Kasperson 21. The Devil Glitch (part 5) - Chris Butler 22. Night of Fear - Move 23. Funny Child-Norway-This Wednesday-Some Voices - R. Stevie Moore 24. Say Hello to Jamie Jones - Red Crayola 25. Mopish Morning, Halation Wiper - Mono 26. The Devil Glitch (part 6) - Chris Butler 27. Chardonnay (long version) - Game Theory 28. The Orbitus - Ron Drand Orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:25:18 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: truly obscure beatles etc. On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 02:52 AM, Capuchin wrote: > I think the first half of Pitch Black was a great testament to what > can be > done with filters and creative exposure. Speaking of, I read somewhere that the first Riddick movie has started shooting. - - Steve __________ When the president speaks, unscripted, from his own moral center, what shows itself is a bottomless void. - James Carroll, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:33:51 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: truly obscure beatles etc. >From: Capuchin >Subject: Re: truly obscure beatles etc. >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:52:47 -0700 (PDT) >I took a "guilty pleasure day" (as well as an extremely lazy day) and saw >a shitload of movies at the cineplex all at once (no, I didn't pay for any >of them). > >I just need to speak up and say that Terminator 3 is a really good sci-fi >flick. It's got a good story and it ties into the back-story where it >needs to and has a great classic science fiction ending. Exactly the sort >of thing a time travel series is all about. The relationship between >destiny, pre-ordainment and manipulation across timestreams is touched >upon just enough to make you think about it, but not so much that the film >itself reveals its own plot holes or explains away possibilities that are >more interesting than the writers might have managed. And it's all pretty >good except for the stupid car chase that takes place in the first half of >the movie and involves every important character to the story and nobody >else. Much like the fight scenes in The Matrix Reloaded, there was >absolutely no tension and it all seemed pointless. OF COURSE everybody's >going to make it out OK, so what's the point in dangling him off a crane >or whatever? Anyway, the ending was satisfying enough to me to excuse >whatever the early middle lacked. I also enjoyed T3, it was a lot of fun. Max _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:53:34 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 08:46 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Caroline Smith wrote: >> >> Indy cars are actually fueled by methanol. > > still doesn't stop 'em spewing NOx; were you downtown last year over > the Molson weekend? The smog was toxic; I could barely see. > doesn't help that the races are run on the hottest days of the year... but that said.. yes, i live at church/dundas... i walk into a wall of smog each time i leave the house. plans are to leave the city as soon as hubby and i figure out what we want to do. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:21:41 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing Caroline Smith wrote: > > doesn't help that the races are run on the hottest days of the year... they should run it in January; Indycars with snow tires. (note careful sensitivity to Canadian spelling). > i live at church/dundas... ooh, just up from Beck's sunglasses shop and ... the PhotoGhetto. Canadian Content: We saw Owning Mahowny last night. Brilliant. I wish there were still yellow cop cars in TO. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:40:03 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing On Sat, Jul 12, 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > they should run it in January; Indycars with snow tires. > (note careful sensitivity to Canadian spelling). We also spell it that way in the US. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Caroline Smith wrote: > i walk into a wall of smog each time i leave the house. plans are to > leave the city as soon as hubby and i figure out what we want to do. May I suggest staying in the city and working to fix the problem instead of moving on to greener pastures (as it were) and leaving the problem for others? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:45:57 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 02:58 PM, Capuchin wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Caroline Smith wrote: >> i walk into a wall of smog each time i leave the house. plans are to >> leave the city as soon as hubby and i figure out what we want to do. > > May I suggest staying in the city and working to fix the problem > instead > of moving on to greener pastures (as it were) and leaving the problem > for > others? > Oh man ... this has certainly made me stop and think. I hope you're not being snide. I have to admit that I took this suggestion personally. I'll try my best to give a sincere response. I started to write an e-mail to tell you about how I was born and raised in Small Town, Ontario, population 5000. I was going to tell you that I didn't want to move to Toronto but considered it to be a necessary evil for my career. And, I was also going to tell you that I've always considered my time here temporary. The point I was trying to get to was... I don't feel like this my home. But hey... if this isn't my home... where is? How do I define home? I'm a member of a community aren't I? Doesn't feel like it. Where does the motivation to help come from if you don't feel a sense of community? I've moved from a town where everyone gets their mail and gossip at the same post office to a building where neighbors don't speak in the elevator. Jeez... come to think of it, a good chunk of Deep River could fit in this building. BUT - even if this is a temporary home, why not take care of it? And how much is one person responsible for? Aren't the choices I make on a daily basis enough? I don't own a vehicle. I walk everywhere I need to go. I support the United Way. My cats are spayed. I don't litter.. I carefully choose how I volunteer. And, I vote. Why not stay in the city and work at making it better? I just turned 30. Hopefully I'm going to start a family in the next couple of years. I want to take my kids to a beach with clean water. I want them to see the stars at night. I want them to have a back yard to play in. Hell, I want a back yard to play in. That just ain't gonna happen here in Toronto (aka The Big Smoke / aka Hogtown). The city gives me claustrophobia. Some people love the pace and lifestyle. Other people can't breathe (literally and figuratively). This is just a rambling, blathering initial response. I'd be happy to discuss this more if you have some thoughts. Caroline ps. I'm not sure how this fits in, but you reminded of a quotation that I learned earlier this year: "If you don't participate, you don't exist" (please tell me it isn't from the Matrix). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 17:37:31 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Goodbye Caroline, I wouldn't get too wound up about Jeme's comments. They're simply not worth your time. And on that note, I think it's time that I signed off from the list as well. While I dearly love most of the commentary, and am constantly amazed at the high level at which this group operates, I've simply become exceedingly tired of reading crap like Jeme's little barb earlier today. An intentionally mean-spirited and snide statement with no redeeming value, tossed out with the obvious purpose of winding someone else up. That type of thing detracts from a community, it does not add to or otherwise enhance one. Fortunately there is a choice in the matter, and so I'm unsubbing today. I would like to check back in at some point, perhaps next year...or if RH decides to support Luxor in America this fall, then maybe I'll pop back on for a bit. Or not, who knows. Some of you I imagine I will still see around town, certainly at gigs and such. It is always nice to make new friends, and I can honestly say that I've made a few good ones around here that can be traced back to feg in some manner. For the rest I will simply say that this list, taken as a whole, has been the most enjoyable one I have ever been on and it makes me sad to leave. I will miss many of you, and will note the absence of humor and insight on a daily basis. It has usually been fun and always interesting. God bless, Michael "maybe John Hedges III can have his quotes back now" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:47:36 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Goodbye - -- Michael Wells is rumored to have mumbled on Samstag, 12. Juli 2003 17:37 Uhr -0500 regarding Goodbye: > Caroline, I wouldn't get too wound up about Jeme's comments. They're > simply not worth your time. I disagree. > I've simply become > exceedingly tired of reading crap like Jeme's little barb earlier today. > An intentionally mean-spirited and snide statement with no redeeming > value, tossed out with the obvious purpose of winding someone else up. > That type of thing detracts from a community, it does not add to or > otherwise enhance one. I don't believe that's true. I didn't think it was meant in a "mean-spirited and snide" way, I believe it was a serious question. There's nothing wrong with that. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Dee Subject: Re: Beatles covers The Damned/Help! At Night, The Ghost That Haunts Me The Most Is The Thing Inside Of Me That Led Me To Doubt The Very Thing I Wanted Most. M. Connelly - The Poet @)}-,-'-,-'-,--- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:21:55 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: House of Love, Beatles, Weight >>>>>A Lot Like The Church's But Not Quite as Good (that being the definition >of >>>>the House of Love). > >>>I think you have that backwards... > >Not for my money, but YMMV. As much legitimate smack as can be talked about >the Church, I hear a little more depth and originality in their sound. Not >that I don't like the House of Love, they just strike me as more of a >workaday variation on the theme. I seem to recall Rolling Stone describing >them as "warmed-over Church, which always sounds like reheated Soft Boys to >begin with". Not that I agree or care what Rolling Stone says, but hey, >Robyn content. I know I'm bound to be biased in this, but I'd put the House of Love closer in sound to the Chills than the Church. Certainly quite a bit of the Butterfly album sound like Martin Phillipps and co to me. Aussie band Ups and Downs, though, are a clear attempt to sound just like the Church, at least on their first mini-album. Good cover of "Solitary Man" on it, though. >>>Do "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love" count as Beatles covers? > >Nope. John Lennon covers reworked by Jeff Lynne and some other guys. well what about "All things must pass"? Recorded, but unreleased by The Beatles in '69, eventually released by Harrison solo. There are several other songs with similar histories. >In the midst of all this diet-consciousness I discovered that, at 6'1" and >185, I was of average weight. Which is funny 'cuz I feel like a fat-ass, >but that may come from the fact that until my mid-twenties it was almost >impossible for me to get my weight *up* to 140. now this sounds familiar. I feel overweight at 5'11" and 12st0 (168lb), because between the ages of 17 and 27 I was within a pound or two of ten and a half stone (147lb) all the time. By the "don't diet or change exercise regime, just be aware of my weight" strategy I've reduced from 173 to 168 over the last year. I'll be happy if I can get to about 11 1/2 stone (161lb). And yeah, I know, I should be thinking in kilos. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:39:22 -0400 From: stevetalkowski@mac.com Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 05:45 PM, Caroline Smith wrote: > On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 02:58 PM, Capuchin wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Caroline Smith wrote: >>> i walk into a wall of smog each time i leave the house. plans are to >>> leave the city as soon as hubby and i figure out what we want to do. >> >> May I suggest staying in the city and working to fix the problem >> instead >> of moving on to greener pastures (as it were) and leaving the problem >> for >> others? > > Oh man ... this has certainly made me stop and think. I hope you're > not being snide. LOL - would you expect anything less from him? The notion of "supporting" his community by cheating the local theatre out of 5 movies speaks volumes. He knows where he can shove his suggestions. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: omg the canadians are arguing On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 stevetalkowski@mac.com wrote: > The notion of "supporting" his community by cheating the local theatre > out of 5 movies speaks volumes. The local theater doesn't hardly get a dime from admission tickets (and it's a national chain anyway). I did patronize the concession stand with their many thousand percent mark-up. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Goodbye On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Michael Wells wrote: > Caroline, I wouldn't get too wound up about Jeme's comments. They're > simply not worth your time. I thought Caroline's response was a thoughtful and well-considered attempt to reconcile my appropriate and polite suggestion with her own values and needs. Honestly, it was the best possible response I could have expected. > While I dearly love most of the commentary, and am constantly amazed at > the high level at which this group operates, I've simply become > exceedingly tired of reading crap like Jeme's little barb earlier today. > An intentionally mean-spirited and snide statement with no redeeming > value, tossed out with the obvious purpose of winding someone else up. > That type of thing detracts from a community, it does not add to or > otherwise enhance one. Phew. I'm not quite sure how you got that out of my suggestion. You don't think there's any redeeming value in considering whether or not you should leave an area because of its problems or stay and help make those problems go away? That's all I suggested and I think it's valuable. I wasn't trying to be snide or cruel and Caroline didn't take it that way. Honestly, I think there are people who just interpret things in the worst way they can imagine and don't even stop to think whether or not they could be more charitable. What's the harm? I guess if you interpret things in the most charitable light, you could end up looking like a chump or a fool or something to people mean enough to fault you for your optimism. But is your image in the eyes of such people more important than your belief in the goodness of your fellow human beings? Caroline interpreted my comments in exactly the spirit they were intended and went so far as to reply with her thoughts (or the beginings of them or whatever) publicly. I think that's great. I would have responded in more detail, but I've been a little busy and it wasn't immediately obvious to me whether I could write anything that would help. > Fortunately there is a choice in the matter, and so I'm unsubbing today. You're just going to take this as snide, but the other choice is to be more charitable and not assume every comment is nasty. I wrote just a few weeks back about how folks interpret my comments and stating that, for the vast majority of what I write here and elsewhere, there is no malice, anger, or bitterness intended or felt. But apparently that's not enough for some people. As before, if anyone wants to share their thoughts with me off-list, I'd be happy to discuss it. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #267 ********************************