From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #265 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 11 2003 Volume 12 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Necessary Measures [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Bobbing for Beatles [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: My friends among those West Virginia hills [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey] stupid, stupid, stupid! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: Robot Rock Critic ["randalljr" ] Re: Bobbing for Beatles [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Necessary Measures [Capuchin ] Re: Fred Meyer (was "everything else") [Jeff Dwarf ] re: Beatles covers ["Marc Holden" ] RE: Bobbing for Beatles [Dr John Halewood ] RE: Necessary Measures ["Bachman, Michael" ] "he must be high on something!" [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: The return of Soundstage on PBS (Styx content) ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr.] Re: Necessary Measures ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Byrds, Beatles, Lemon Pipers [Michael R Godwin ] truly obscure beatles etc. ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:11:23 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Necessary Measures Okay, items 4 through 6 inclusive are true classics (although, alas, primarily in context), and item 1's pretty damned good too. Oh - and I thought at least Homer and Marge were named after Matt Groening's actual parents. So the rest of the characters are named after Portland street names? I'd love to tune in on a scanner dispatch..."one adam-twelve, we have a ten-fortyleven on Abu and Wiggum..." Quoting Eb : > >Eb, what exactly is your beef with hockey? > > Lemme think. > > 1. The players look like overstuffed trash bags. > > 2. Much as with auto-racing, I feel that any sport where the prime > highlights are the *collisions* ain't much of a sport. > > 3. Any sport which is so ungainly such that the playing field is > *that* small yet produces so few scoring opportunities ain't much of > a sport. > > 4. None of the players -- or fans -- have teeth. The players from > falling on the ice, the fans from drinkin' too much moonshine and > forgettin' to brush der teef. > > 5. The games usually occur in cities, and all cities are bad. > > 6. I don't shit on hockey. I only cum in its hair. ..Jeff, who thinks "corking his bat" makes a fine euphemism... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:16:51 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Bobbing for Beatles Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > "Rex.Broome" wrote: > > Never seen one > > finish himself off, though; that seem to be the exclusive > > province of Ron Jeremy. > > I had a friend in high school who says he did; he was > certainly flexible enough for it to be semi-believable; > never asked for demonstration though. Ah, back on topic again, I see. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat :: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum :: temporo-spatial anomaly. :: --Crow T. Maslow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:26:32 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: My friends among those West Virginia hills Quoting Eb : > > > As Eb mentions, "Words from the Front" and "Cover" are the weakest > of > >> the > > > bunch > > > >I'd replace _Words from the Front_ with _The Wonder_ as one of the two > >weakest > > I've never heard that one. It wasn't even released in the States, was > it? Don't think so. I think the record store I frequented in the late '80s/early '90s had a thing about Fontana Records - I picked up a lot of 'em. Also, the Robot Rock Critic seems to think that Screaming Monkey Research Facility is an actual band...hmm... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Empire is incompatible with democracy. Democracy is founded on the :: rule of law, empire on the rule of force. Democracy is a system of :: self-determination, empire a system of military conquest. :: --Jonathan Schell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:32:06 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: stupid, stupid, stupid! "Apu." I was sort of sitting on my head while typing, sorry. (I won't tell you *why* I was doing so...but, uh, maybe you've already guessed...) And I know: SMR Lab - but I like "facility" better. ..Jeff, placating the Simpsons geeks J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:42:12 -0700 From: "randalljr" Subject: RE: Robot Rock Critic - ---------- The same obsessions -- confused women and growing up listening to Rush - -- are here in spades. - ------------------ Whew. Fresh back from vacation and it only took 467 e-mails before I found a Rush reference : ) And yes, I did go hunting. Vince "I would make love to Geddy Lee's Placenta" the Vincester ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:18:20 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Bobbing for Beatles - --On Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2003 15:22 Uhr -0700 "Rex.Broome" wrote: >>> Everybodys Got Something to Hide.../Kristin Hersh > > As much as I love Kristin, and this cover, the Feelies' version eats it > alive. Especially when played live! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Fred Meyer (was "everything else") On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I'll have to step in w/Miles and defend Target here too. I suppose if > you're averse to red as a design element, that'd be a problem - but I'm > curious as to when you formed this judgment of Target. Because over the > last five-ten years or so, it's pretty significantly revamped itself > both in product selection/quality and design. It *used* to pretty much > indistinguishable from K-Mart (I was never sure which one I was in), but > now, the two are radically different from one another. And K-Marts, at > least around here, are just awful, worse than Wal-Mart in terms of > quality of merchandise (although Wal-Mart has them - and just about > everybody else - beat in terms of plain Evil Quotient). > > The Target near us has nearly the variety of merchandise Cap describes > Fred Meyer as having. I've never been to a target that had any more food than a few aisles of non-perishables and a hot dog counter and I've certainly never been to a Target with a home and garden center. I know nobody really cares about this, but I think I'm not quite getting across the uniqueness of Fred Meyer as compared to the national chains. They have lots of local products including organic foods. They carry some pretty reasonable quality clothing like the aforementioned Columbia Sportswear and Pendleton Woolens. There isn't some shoddy house brand (except some specially packaged frozen foods or remarketted commodities). The people who work there aren't dressed in cartoon uniforms. They have a pretty good union. I think another important distinguishing feature is that Fred Meyer's all have at least two distinct entrances (the one nearest my house has at least five). You can go into the grocery section and buy some bananas without even knowing you can buy a table saw or bath towels in another part of the store. I guess it just feels more like a big general store than Target, which feels like a McDonalds with small appliances. > I've never been to Phoenix, but I think if I imagine suburban hell > rolling on for hours and hours, all taking place inside a blast furnace, > I'd be pretty close. Word. > By that definition, Milwaukee's either a large town or a small city: we > definitely have a lot (around 50, +/- 10) of very distinct neighborhoods > (I'm not counting suburbs, of course - whole 'nother issue). Sounds like you understand what I was trying to convey. And yeah, Milwaukee does fall into that category in my book, too. (Milwaukie is another story.) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:33:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Necessary Measures On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Oh - and I thought at least Homer and Marge were named after Matt > Groening's actual parents. So the rest of the characters are named after > Portland street names? I'd love to tune in on a scanner dispatch..."one > adam-twelve, we have a ten-fortyleven on Abu and Wiggum..." I think just about every last name in The Simpsons comes from a street in Portland. In NW Portland, in particular, the streets are alphabetical (one for each letter) and include Flanders, Kearney, Lovejoy, and Quimby. I live not too far from NE Flanders and many of the street markers have been "vandalized" to read NED Flanders. NE Simpson is about the same distance in the other direction. I seem to recall reading that Mr. Burns was originally Mr. Burnside (the major artery that divides North and South while the Willamette River divides East and West). There's a (Milhous) Van Houten Parkway and a (Sideshow Bob) Terwilliger Boulevard. That's just off the top of my head. I know for a fact there are dozens more. Oh, and just outside Springfield, Oregon is Mt. Skinner. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Fred Meyer (was "everything else") Capuchin wrote: > I've certainly never been to a > Target with a home and garden center. There isn't one in Alameda County without a home and garden center unless there isn't one in the one they just opened at the Fremont Hub. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 02:49:40 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re: Beatles covers >To me the idea is to find versions that are relatively obscure & remake the >tracks, as opposed to just saying "now we're going to play this Beatles song >everyone knows." I love Adrian Belew's version of "I'm Down". He really gives the song a nice twist or two. The Residents included a really deconstructed version of Hey Jude in a medley at the end of "Hitler Was a Vegetarian"--Inna Gadda Da Vita=>Sunsine of Your Love=>Hey Jude=>Sympathy for the Devil, on The Third Reich & Roll. "The Beatles Play the Residents/The Residents Play the Beatles" 45 was great, too. There was a nice sound collage of chopped Beatles samples in Revolution # 9 style backed with their cover of Flying (the only song all 4 Beatles took writing credit on). The Flaming Groovies do a great version of And Your Bird Can Sing. I really like Laibach's version of "Get Back" (and the Rutles re-write of the lyrics in Get Up and Go). Elvis Costello did a really nice combination of New Amsterdam and You've Got to Hide Your Love Away on the Blood and Chocolate tour. He told me that he realized his song had borrowed heavily from You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, and he wanted to acknowledge the lift. Robyn has done a shitload of Beatles covers at the Largo. I'd swear they did It's All Too Much once, but I might have just hallucinated the moment into memory. Later, Marc " 'Charlie, why'd you do it?' 'I heard the album. I heard that goddam White Album. Why don't we do it in the road? Whadda you think he was sayin', man? No one will be watching us.' And you're sitting there going: IT'S A FUCKIN' ALBUM! YOU WERE ON ACID, MANSON! IT'S A FUCKIN' ALBUM! You'd have gotten the same message out of the Monkees, you fuckin' dickhead." Sam Kinison ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:04:27 +0100 From: Dr John Halewood Subject: RE: Bobbing for Beatles Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey (jenor@uwm.ed) muttered: > > Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > > > > I had a friend in high school who says he did; he was > > certainly flexible enough for it to be semi-believable; > > never asked for demonstration though. > > Ah, back on topic again, I see. Well, if the topic is Alvaro ("The Chilean with the singing nose") and you're talking about his 1977 classic "Drinkin' My Own Sperm", then I reckon we're right there. cheers john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:19:56 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Necessary Measures On Thu, Jul 10, 2003, Eb wrote: >> 2. Much as with auto-racing, I feel that any sport where the prime >> highlights are the *collisions* ain't much of a sport. Ken retorted: >You're thinking of NASCAR. NASCAR really gives the art of auto racing >a bad name. F1 is really interesting this year, not the typical Ferrari dominance that the last couple of years have been. And they race on some of the worlds best courses. I agree with Ken about NASCAR. They change rules on a whim, the cars don't look much like street cars anymore and they don't have near enough road race courses. I like watching the Australian V8 Supercar Series. They race on road courses and city courses and the cars look more like the street versions of the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon that race in the series. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:41:02 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: music, sport, and weather. >And the Chameleons... ISTR James has 321.75 separate recordings of that >tune... :) only eight - excluding three versions by the Beatles and my own version. But if anyone ever finds a copy of Monsoon's version, please let me know! >BFD. I like it hot and dry. It was only about 105 F when you were here, Tom. >It looks like we'll fall short of the forcast 116 F today, but seem to be on >track to passing Philadelphia and become the 5th largest US city next year >(not that I'm hoping for that at all). >Later, Marc ye Ghu. Currently, Marc is in a city some 70F warmer than it is here. Atoms here are only moving 87.5% the speed they currently are in Phoenix. - --- >>Eb, what exactly is your beef with hockey? > >Lemme think. > >[...] > >5. The games usually occur in cities, and all cities are bad. *ding* We have a winner! - --- >> >What would be on your "Best Beatles' Covers" comp CD? >> >>Flying Lizards - Money >>Heart - Long Tall Sally (yeah, guilty pleasure, I know) > >Those are Beatles-Covers Covers, not Beatles covers. Depends what you mean. The original message didn't say that the songs were covers of Beatles *originals*, just of Beatles songs, which I took to mean songs done by the Beatles. And it is clear that Heart's intention was to cover the song as it was done by the Beatles (hence the medley of it with another Beatles song, that one an original). It's difficult to tell whether the Flying Lizards had the Beatles or Barrett Strong in mind with their inventive version of the song "Money". To be a real nit-picking pedant (who, me?), if you take the question the way it was worded: >> >What would be on your "Best Beatles' Covers" comp CD? then you could just as easily answer: "Twist and shout", "Money", "Words of Love", "Long tall Sally"... i.e., best songs the Beatles covered. or maybe any cover by John and George... i.e., covers by the best Beatles. >Plus, there's >> really no such thing as "an obscure Beatles song", and I find the value >> of >> most covers to be in either reinterpretation or reminding you of a great >> song that you'd forgotten all about. Nobody's forgetting any Beatles >> tunes. > >True - but there certainly are rarely covered Beatles songs (like >"Revolution No. 9" and "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)"). I've never heard anyone try to cover "You know my name (Look up the number)", although, oddly, I've heard a live cover of "In spite of all the danger", done at a time when the Beatles version was only available on bootleg. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:42:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: the psychology of music taste ooo! psychology twice in one week. . . i haven't actually read the entire journal article yet, but one thing to note is it's from jpsp, which is the top journal in social and personality psych--which is not to say it's automatically good, just that it's much more likely to be. . . . and the nonsig correlations are not necessarily a problem with the study--the more interesting thing is that with that huge a sample size, the correlations that were found are extremely likely to be "true," at least for the relevant population (probably college students). i'm sure the journal article's authors are cringing and bemoaning the popular press article, which is simplistic, reductionistic, and states things that are not at all supported by the actual data. but, hey, what else is new in popular press articles about psychology? cheers, tom according to legend, you recently wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) > From: Aaron Mandel > Subject: the psychology of music taste > > An Australian article about research on the correlation between > personality and musical taste: > > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/10/1057783259813.html > > And the (dense, technical) paper it's based on: > > http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/faculty/Gosling/reprints/ > jpsp03musicdimensions.pdf > > I find this kind of stuff fascinating. It's easy to start to pick nits > with the study (and while I haven't read all the text yet, if you look at > the chart on page 15 it appears that the correlations they came up with > are by and large not significant) and yet on the other hand, they don't > seem to have a particular axe to grind. > > a > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:29:01 -0500 (CDT) > From: Miles Goosens > Subject: Re: Re: face the placenta > > Jeff Dwarf: > >Isn't Judybats and not a very good song synonymous? > > No. Though Eb might agree with you. > > later, > > Miles, > whose favorite group was the Judybats > for a while in 1994, and who ranked > their albums in his yearly lists at > #20 (NATIVE SONS, 1991), #1 (DOWN IN > THE SHACKS WHERE THE SATELLITE DISHES > GROW, 1992), #13 (PAIN MAKES YOU BEAUTIFUL, > 1993), and #2 (FULL-EMPTY, 1994) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jeff Dwarf > Subject: Re: Beatles' covers (Robyn content 0.17%) > > Glen Uber wrote: > > We once did a show that consisted completely of covers of > > Beatles' songs. The selections ran the gamut from typical > > ("Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" by Elton John) to > > unusual ("I'm Down" by Adrian Belew) to just > > plain weird (Mae West doing "Day Tripper" and Bing Crosby > > doing "Hey Jude"). > > > > Anyway, since then, I've thought of putting together a > > compilation of great Beatles' covers, but have never > > actually sat down to do it. In addition to the > > aforementioned Elton John and Adrian Belew tracks, I'd > > probably have to include Eddie Hazel's "I Want You (She's > > So Heavy)", Siouxsie & the Banshees' "Dear Prudence," > > Todd Rundgren's "Strawberry Fields Forever," Stevie > > Wonder's "We Can Work It Out," Earth Wind & > > Fire's "Got To Get You Into My Life" and Robyn's "A Day > > In The Life". > > > > What would be on your "Best Beatles' Covers" comp CD? > > All You Need is Love/Echo & The Bunnymen > The Ballad of John & Yoko/Teenage Fanclub > A Day in the Life/Alfred Hitchcock and the Bulgarians > Day Tripper/The Jimi Hendrix Experience > Day Tripper/Otis Redding > Dear Prudence/Siouxsie & The Banshees > Eleanor Rigby/Aretha Franklin > Everybodys Got Something to Hide.../Kristin Hersh > For No One/Anne Sofie Von Otter > Happiness is a Warm Gun/The Breeders > Helter Skelter/Siouxsie & The Banshees > It's All Too Much/The House of Love > Norwegian Wood (This Bird Had Flown)/Cornershop > Revolution/Billy Bragg > She Loves You/Peter Sellers > She Said, She Said/Matthew Sweet > Tomorrow Never Knows/801 > We Can Work it Out/Stevie Wonder > Wild Honey Pie/Pixies > Yesterday/Ray Charles > You've Got to Hide Your Love Away/Elvis Costello > > Hidden Bonus Tracks: Cheese and Onions/Galaxie 500; About a > Girl (unplugged)/Nirvana > > ===== > "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura > Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson > or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." > -- anonymous > > . > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #263 > ******************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:09:29 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: "he must be high on something!" Somewhat relevant to the "Beatles covers" thread: Toward the end, some British musicologist is quoted as saying he hears similarities between "Yesterday" and Nat King Cole's "Answer Me, My Love." Thus my subject line: I downloaded a copy of the Cole tune, and-uh, there's one *lyrical* line that's similar (the mundane observation re "yesterday...troubles far away") but musically, they're similar only in the sense that they both have notes, musical instruments playing them, etc. Okay, *one* minor similarity: the rhythm of the phrase "answer me" is similar to that of "yesterday" in McCartney's song. But it's a pretty obvious way to sing three syllables accented that way, so I'd hardly call it an "influence"... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 2003 06:18:53 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: Beatles coverology I started to send an approximation of this note yesterday, but a software crash lost me five minutes' worth of typing. >someone mentioned Frank Zappa's cover of I Am the Walrus. That was on his '88 (last) tour, as part of a televangelist denouement set of four Beatles covers with altered, occasionally hilarious, lyrics: Norwegian Jim (Norwegian Wood), Louisiana Hooker with Herpes (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds), Texas Motel (Strawberry Fields Forever). I Am the Walrus was the only one they played "straight". Some other favorite cover versions: Eugene Chadbourne - A Day in the Life (this is killing me, man - - "4000 holes in Margaret Thatcher") Only a Mother - Do You Want To Know A Secret 801 - Tomorrow Never Knows Marc Ribot - While My Guitar Gently Weeps Richie Havens - Here Comes the Sun Steve Hillage - It's All Too Much (can't remember if this compares with the Church's pretty cool version, but I like the song so well that any cover of it makes me happy) >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >To me the idea is to find versions that are relatively >obscure & remake the tracks, as opposed to just >saying "now we're going to play this Beatles song >everyone knows." I'm with ya there - see Only a Mother and several others above. I've got some *real* strange ones - get in touch if you want copies. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:09:58 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: The return of Soundstage on PBS (Styx content) > From: "Brian Huddell" > > Dennis DeYoung! Scary. Dennis DeYoung and a chorus of children? Kill me now. ISTR DeYoung was ill with some inexplicable condition years ago. Maybe it's the now prevalent "I Can't Fucking Believe I Was In Styx or Owned A Styx Album" disease. That would give me the willies big-time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:13:24 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Necessary Measures > From: Ken Weingold > > You're thinking of NASCAR. NASCAR really gives the art of auto racing > a bad name. OK, I'll reply to several threads at once (racing, rednecks, unusual sex, and, I'm sure, people who shop at Fred Meyer's), and all with a single crude joke: Why do rednecks have sex doggie-style? So they can both watch NASCAR! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:30:16 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Byrds, Beatles, Lemon Pipers On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > The Byrds already recorded Bells of Rhymney, right? Isn't it a Pete Seeger > song? No, he added a tune to a poem. Apparently the author, Idris Davies, envisaged it being sung to the tune of 'Oranges and Lemons'. Pete Seeger then wrote a new tune, which is the one the Byrds adopted. 'Goin' back' is a terrific song. The last Byrds album I bought had an alternative version on it as well as the hit. The Dusty Springfield reading is fine, and there's also a version by the Lemon Pipers. Here are some more Beatle covers: Jimi Hendrix Experience - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Tomorrow - Strawberry Fields Forever Captain Copter and the Fabulous Twirlybirds - Day Tripper Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera - Eleanor Rigby (instrumental) Peter Sellers (as Laurence Olivier) - Hard Day's Night Cliff Bennett - Got to get you into my life (saw him recently, he can still belt it out, just about) George Harrison and Eric Clapton - While my guitar gently weeps (from the Concert for Bangladesh - well, it's not the Beatles, is it?) And didn't I hear a good country version of 'I've just seen a face' by the Dillards / Dillard & Clark? Did Macca deliberately copy that arrangement whn Wings used to play it? I remember that tour where Elvis sang New Amsterdam / You've got to hide your love away. Admittedly they're both waltzes, but I can't see much resemblance beyond that. Apart from anything else, the Beatles lyric scans, while Elvis crams too many words into a line. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Lovin' Spoonful, Butchie's Tune ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:41:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: The return of Soundstage on PBS (Styx content) On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:09:58 -0500, "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." wrote : > > From: "Brian Huddell" > > > > Dennis DeYoung! > > Scary. Dennis DeYoung and a chorus of children? This sounds like a Jon Anderson video. Jon not-Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:49:21 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Simpson geekery >I think just about every last name in The Simpsons comes from a street in >Portland. > > > >Oh, and just outside Springfield, Oregon is Mt. Skinner. >J. Yeah, Simpsons character names expand beyond just Portland street names to include Groening's family and simply place names around Oregon. i.e. the town of Burns, Oregon & the aforementioned Mt Skinner. I'm sure a book exists out there to reference all of these, maybe a website or a DVD extra.... Kenneth _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:47:51 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: truly obscure beatles etc. Rex-- >really no such thing as "an obscure Beatles song", and I find the value of >most covers to be in either reinterpretation or reminding you of a great >song that you'd forgotten all about. Nobody's forgetting any Beatles tunes. Not the ones they recorded. But some of those songs they gave away are pretty darn good & no one covers them much. Here's a list: http://www.liv.ac.uk/ipm/beatles/breflib/gaveaway.html Particularly the Cilla Black numbers -- "It's For You" is a *great* song, very pretty, but kinda spooky in a weird way. Relatively few rockers, except "Sour Milk Sea" (great, but more for the performance than the song) and "One and One is Two" which is pretty weak. Oh, and "Badge." "I Don't Want To See You Again" is a great song performed by two wankers. I can't believe these guys worked with both the Beatles & Firesign Theatre. I actually like "Catcall," a groovey hep-cat instrumental. "Penina" sounds like bad Wings. Very repetitive, I think it provided the melodic inspiration for "Tomorrow" in the musical "Annie." I like the lyrics to "GoodBye." They're mysterious & so make the chipper, ultra-pop tune more complex, sort of like "Long & Winding Road" (and with much better production). If you listen to the boot w/ all these songs together, you get a real feeling of the old Beatles magic. - --- I also love the version of "Rain" by Polyrock. Ross Taylor "do I have to spell it out? C-H-E-E-S-E-A-N-D-O-N-I-O-N-S oh no" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #265 ********************************