From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #256 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 8 2003 Volume 12 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: stangers with placentae [gshell@metronet.com] Re: face the placenta [Caroline Smith ] Re: Natural Processes? ["Glen Uber" ] RE: Natural Processes? [Catherine Simpson ] Re: Natural Processes? [Eb ] Re: Natural Processes? [Tom Clark ] Well I was born in a small town... ["Rex.Broome" ] Gore-free birth details right here... judge the trendiness! ["Rex.Broome"] Well we all need someone we can cream on ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Well I was born in a small town... [gshell@metronet.com] Re: Gore-free birth details right here... judge the trendiness! ["Jason R] placentii etc. ["ross taylor" ] placentas, etc. [Marcy Tanter ] RE: placentii etc. (contains miconium, like any newborn) ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: placentii etc. (contains miconium, like any newborn) ["Jason R. Thorn] In-A-Gadda-Placentae ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Gore-free birth details right here... judge the trendiness! [Tom Clar] Verlainia ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Well we all need someone we can cream on [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <] Re: Well we all need someone we can cream on [Marcy Tanter ] Re: Gore-free birth details right here... judge the trendiness! [Jeffrey ] In the city (1% RH) [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:29:37 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: stangers with placentae On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Glen Uber wrote: > jerking off into your girlfriend's hair after a blowjob, but those > things don't ever seem to come up in everyday conversation. Why is that? i don't think it's really a blow-job if you have to jerk off. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:27:44 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: face the placenta Interesting time for me to rejoin to the list. lol caroline ps. when is the t.o. luxor listening party? did i miss it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:27:38 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: Natural Processes? Catherine earnestly scribbled: >May I take a moment to point out that if you still have to jerk off *after* >the blowjob, then your girlfriend needs some serious practice? Duly noted. I was just taking my example to the most absurd extreme. I used the term "girlfriend" because I didn't want anyone thinking my wife couldn't *ahem* "handle" things properly. >And seriously, jerking off in someone's HAIR? What kind of cretin does that? It just seemed funnier phrased that way. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Soylens Viridis Homines Est" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:32:40 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Natural Processes? In response to Glen's reponse to me (below) >May I take a moment to point out that if you still have to jerk off *after* >the blowjob, then your girlfriend needs some serious practice? Duly noted. I was just taking my example to the most absurd extreme. I used the term "girlfriend" because I didn't want anyone thinking my wife couldn't *ahem* "handle" things properly. - --- Glad to hear it ;) >And seriously, jerking off in someone's HAIR? What kind of cretin does that? It just seemed funnier phrased that way. - ---- Funny, yes, but the "EEEWWWW" factor was a bit high for me. Entirely my own boundry, though, I understand. The thing that REALLY elicited a laugh from me, though, was your "Soylens Viridis Homines Est"! Brilliant! And they say Latin is a dead language... - - Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:43:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Natural Processes? >Glen Uber said (in reference to things that are a "natural process")... > >>>... So is taking a dump after eating or puking after getting drunk or >jerking >>>off into your girlfriend's hair after a blowjob... > >May I take a moment to point out that if you still have to jerk off *after* >the blowjob, then your girlfriend needs some serious practice? And >seriously, jerking off in someone's HAIR? What kind of cretin does that? > >- Catherine (I'm just sayin'...) Gosh...you folks have been BUSY this morning. ;) (Everyone knows a gentleman should jerk off into his girlfriend's *wine glass*, not her hair. Sheesh.) Eb, who got Flash Light about a year before he got his first Television album ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:51:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Natural Processes? on 7/8/03 12:27 PM, Glen Uber at apostrophe@cruxofthebiscuit.com wrote: > Catherine earnestly scribbled: > >> May I take a moment to point out that if you still have to jerk off *after* >> the blowjob, then your girlfriend needs some serious practice? > > Duly noted. I was just taking my example to the most absurd extreme. I > used the term "girlfriend" because I didn't want anyone thinking my wife > couldn't *ahem* "handle" things properly. > Well, I must admit that Glen's wife does have nice hair, FWIW. >> And seriously, jerking off in someone's HAIR? What kind of cretin does that? Call me a wannabe-cretin, but it does sound kinda fun. You know, in a "This baseball game is boring, do you think anybody's watching" sort of way... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:07:44 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Well I was born in a small town... Ross T: >>With all the debate about intellectual property & fair use nowdays, I'm >>surprised no one's made a big deal of the fact that our national anthem is a >>derrivative work (pre-existing music). Anyone wishing to do so can have my wife sing the original version of it. She knows the whole damned thing. JeFFrey: >>(And I'm a bit confused: Super Wal-Marts generally are more >>available to small-town folks than to urban dwellers anyway, whereas >>Starbucks are the opposite. And you can find 7-11s (or their equivalent) >>damned near anywhere...) I had the same reaction you did, but I *think* after re-reading Greg's post that he was saying that fans of Wal-Mart and 7-11 are those who *overrate* small towns. The Starbucks reference was a little incongruous. Starbucks seem to be on every other city block but aren't penetrating far into Ruralia as far as I can see. I don't think they'd be welcome. Oh, wait, no, I was wrong... gSs: >> a small town could not support a >>super wal-mart. a town of 20k or so could support a super-walmart but >>that is not a small town. Bzzt. My hometown, population 7000, easily supports a Super Wal Mart. The key here is to remember that small towns are surrounded by flat-out rural communities and stand-alone houses, farms, etc... plenty more folks who need their Wal-Mart fix. And trust me... it's a small town. Blink and you miss it. Looks like a brief line of buildings clustered around the bridge to Maryland. But the WalMart is huge. It has its own avian ecosystem in the rafters. I'm curious as to where you came up with that figure and why you were so confident of it. It's not correct. Otherwise my thoughts on this topic are on record and then some... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:25:57 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Yet more taboo stuff which comes out of the body Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Eb on the Spoonful: > >>(Yes, I know what the name really means.) > > And that substance is (forgive the puns) a wellspring of band names for > reasons which escape me... 10cc and The Wonder Stuff come immediately to > mind but I think I used to know one or two other ones... Pearl Jam, Cream (maybe: official explanation differs). Oh, and the Captain Beefheart song "White Jam." - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" np: ironically, yet another song about bodily fluids: "Cry Me a River" Ella Fitzgerald. Oh wait - "Don't Touch Me There" by The Tubes just started... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:28:24 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: The Incredible Hulk Re - I'm not sure I actually believe this...you sure this isn't a British version of _The Onion_? Pretty funny anyway - esp. the picture of the little girl: her expression is priceless... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:48:11 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Gore-free birth details right here... judge the trendiness! Miles: >> I'm not picking on Rex, who has never struck me as trendy or shallow, but I >>find the whole film-the-birth/keep-the-afterbirth/father-forced-to-watch-live- >>gore trend disturbing on about a thousand levels. Well, the other parents (and dude, Tom, cute kid*) have covered a lot of this, and I can only really speak for m'self. But I certainly wasn't forced to watch the births, I wanted to. Admittedly I'm not squeamish about much and I am a seeker after new experiences and stuff, and I did feel I owed it to the wife to stick with her after (cliche warning) putting her in that position to begin with. So that confluence of conditions played into it. Maybe even moreso was the thought of how much I *might* regret having missed it if I did. But the biggest thing was to say hi to the new girls, be the first to hold them, and dorky stuff like that. We didn't keep the afterbirth and would never have considered it. We had our second daughter's birth videotaped but not the first one. Basically we didn't want to tape the first one but my wife regretted not having done it, so we roped in a friend to tape the second one. Poor guy. He's still a friend but will never tell his wife what "really" happens because he does want kids someday. And if anyone ever tries to tell you it's a "beautiful process", well, I can't get behind that. It's pretty harsh stuff to watch. But I don't think the comparison to taking a dump holds up because you don't keep your shit, clothe it, teach it. love it, send it to college, etc. etc. (insert obligatory Bush dynsasty joke here),or hopefully even look at it, whereas you just can't stop staring at your kid. Two more things: Miles, I can't deal with those damn TLC commercials either. Of course, those aren't my kids. And it's more the implied emotional trauma that gets to me than the gore... like, do any of those shows end with the kids dying? Because if so that's just awful, but then again if every show has a happy ending, what's the point? BUT... as for the moms being drugged out like in the good old days... there are a lot of legit reasons to avoid almost every form of medical intervention during childbirth if you can manage it. Sure, most of the kids turn out okay anyhow, but why risk it? Megan and I did take a birthing class before #1 Daughter was born, which could be considered "trendy", but I wanted to know as much as I could about what was going on in this wacky and unknown process. We got hells of good information, and, as intelligent adults, were able to discard some of the rare anti-medical-establishment brainwashing or paranoia-inducement which cropped up (I'm guessing/hoping from her general tone that Nat won't be too bugged by my having said that). Also acting on the same impulse to know what was up, we totally didn't do the trendy "don't tell us the gender" thing. Damn straight I wanted to know what we were having, if only so I could stop calling her "it"! - -Rex, off to find out if I'm an ISBN or an IMDB or whatever... *Tom, while I share your horror at the merchandising towards the wee set, I must say that my daughter who's probably nine months older than yours *loved* Finding Nemo and woulda grooved on the sticker bigtime. But she also laughs her ass of when they give her her shots, too, so she may not be a baseline case ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:37:32 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Well we all need someone we can cream on Jeffrey earnestly scribbled: >Pearl Jam, Cream (maybe: official explanation differs). Oh, and the Captain >Beefheart song "White Jam." I thought Pearl Jam was named after one of the band member's grandmother's hallucinogenic jelly? Cream I'm not too sure of either, but I've always wondered about the meaning of "Strange Brew". How about G. Love and Special Sauce? Maybe not -- it's probably just my dirty mind imagining things. "Squeeze my lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg" - -g- "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:41:29 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Well we all need someone we can cream on >I thought Pearl Jam was named after one of the band member's >grandmother's hallucinogenic jelly? Cream I'm not too sure of either, but >I've always wondered about the meaning of "Strange Brew". I don't know about Cream. I always figured that it was simply short for "Cream of the Crop," because they were all such superstah musicians. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:51:51 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: Well I was born in a small town... On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > gSs: > >> a small town could not support a > >>super wal-mart. a town of 20k or so could support a super-walmart but > >>that is not a small town. > Bzzt. My hometown, population 7000, easily supports a Super Wal Mart. i don't consider 7k small. i live a few miles outside a town of nearly 1500. that is a small town. it doesn't have a walmart or 7-11 or a starbucks or a grocery store. it has a volunteer fire department, one cop and one judge. and though it would probably be far less painful to live within it's bounderies than within a town like yours, i still wouldn't. > I'm curious as to where you came up with that figure and why you were so > confident of it. It's not correct. i said 20k or so could support a walmart. what is incorrect? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:54:25 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Gore-free birth details right here... judge the trendiness! At 01:48 PM 7/8/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >And if anyone ever tries to tell you it's a "beautiful process", well, I >can't get behind that. It's pretty harsh stuff to watch. But I don't think >the comparison to taking a dump holds up because you don't keep your shit, >clothe it, teach it. love it, send it to college, etc. etc. (insert >obligatory Bush dynsasty joke here),or hopefully even look at it, whereas >you just can't stop staring at your kid. Well, we weren't really comparing the two or suggesting they were equivalent emotional experiences, we were merely countering the notion that one shouldn't be grossed out by something just because it's a "natural process." Nature isn't always beautiful by our acquired standards, nor is it something I necessarily want to see all the time. Then again, for the most part, it really isn't something we should get too freaked out about. I'm sure my craps would do very well in college, though. They are glorious to behold. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:43:23 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: placentii etc. Glen-- "Taking steps to avoid ever having to see one" And you *really* don't ever want to stumble onto a cow placenta on a hot day. But as far as dads in the birth room go, the gross stuff is the last thing on your mind. When I first saw my daughter, all covered in mirconium [sp? sorta like poop in the womb], she looked both totally alien & crazily familiar, and I immediately thought maybe we did already know each other, from some other time and place, long before ... Isn't there some extreme natural childbirth thing where the mother eats the placenta? - --- Rex-- >And that substance is (forgive the puns) a wellspring of band names for >reasons which escape me... 10cc and The Wonder Stuff come immediately to >mind but I think I used to know one or two other ones... Cream. The Jam. I'm sure there are more. - ---- Flash Light-- The only b-side I knew of was the song "Caveman - Flashlight" or whatever ("grunt, grunt," recycled from "Space Monkey"). Uh, Rex, maybe I can look around for something to trade? The Marquee Moon & Adventure re-issues coming in September seem to have bonus tracks, but I'm curious what they'll be, besides "Little Johnny Jewel" parts 1 & 2. Actually, there were some other songs I've heard on live TV bootlegs... Ross Taylor "Janie's goin' back to Walker says folks there are happy bees I say 'you remember Walker? you're lookin' for some miseries'" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:51:23 -0500 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: placentas, etc. Childbirth is always gross to those who haven't experienced it for themselves. I thought it would be gross, too, but it really isn't that bad. It's actually kind of interesting to see the placenta, to see what it is and to know that it's partly responsible for your child being healthy. When it's your own baby, you don't really care about anything other than having the baby out so you can hold her/him. Once it's over and you've got a lovely, sweet baby in your arms, you forget all the gross stuff. Is it fun? Not really, but I managed it 3 times both ways and I'd do it again if I were a little younger.... Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:02:30 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: placentii etc. (contains miconium, like any newborn) Ross: >>When I first saw my daughter, all covered in mirconium [sp? sorta like poop >>in the womb] Miconium is the tarry poop stuff; the white stuff they're usually covered with is vernyx (sp. on that one iffy). >>she looked both totally alien & crazily familiar, and I immediately thought >>maybe we did already know each other, from some other time and place, >>long before ... Word on that one. It's really cool. Wouldn't trade it for the world On spoogey band names: >>Cream. The Jam. I'm sure there are more. Eb reminded me of Thin White Rope and posited Pearl Jam, although I thought that was... something else. Verlaine response under separate cover so as to be palatable to the squeamish. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:54:41 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: placentii etc. on 7/8/03 2:43 PM, ross taylor at protay4@eudoramail.com wrote: > Rex-- > >> And that substance is (forgive the puns) a wellspring of band names for >> reasons which escape me... 10cc and The Wonder Stuff come immediately to >> mind but I think I used to know one or two other ones... > > Cream. The Jam. I'm sure there are more. There was a great band in the 70's called "Steaming Load In My Girlfriend's Hair". I think the name was some sort of double entendre. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:01:49 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: placentii etc. (contains miconium, like any newborn) At 03:02 PM 7/8/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >Eb reminded me of Thin White Rope and posited Pearl Jam, although I thought >that was... something else. A boot to the nads was what I heard, but I've never figured out if that was truth or fiction. - --Jason "I don't have a kid, but I love to push a double-stroller around through a heavy crowd" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:05:52 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: In-A-Gadda-Placentae Tom earnestly scribbled: >There was a great band in the 70's called "Steaming Load In My Girlfriend's >Hair". I think the name was some sort of double entendre. Yeah! I have their Best of album, "Loads of Hits". It features such timeless classics as "The Seaman's Shanty," "Dr. Spoogelove or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Cum," "Ball Butter Blues," "Swallow It All," "Protein Shake," "I See The Love In Your Eyes," and the rollicking gospel hymn, "Come Unto Jesus," Great stuff, man. You can probably find it on Limewire. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:08:51 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Gore-free birth details right here... judge the trendiness! on 7/8/03 1:48 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Miles, I can't deal with those damn TLC commercials either. Of course, > those aren't my kids. And it's more the implied emotional trauma that gets > to me than the gore... like, do any of those shows end with the kids dying? > Because if so that's just awful, but then again if every show has a happy > ending, what's the point? > It's not just the baby shows either. I'm cruising through an episode of "Junkyard Wars" and the next thing I see is a sliced open leg in an ad for "The Operation". Please, I don't need that. > > *Tom, while I share your horror at the merchandising towards the wee set, I > must say that my daughter who's probably nine months older than yours > *loved* Finding Nemo and woulda grooved on the sticker bigtime. But she > also laughs her ass off when they give her her shots, too, so she may not be > a baseline case That must be funny to watch. Send me your address and I'll mail you the sticker. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:37:23 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Verlainia Ross: >>Flash Light-- >>The only b-side I knew of was the song "Caveman - Flashlight" or whatever >>("grunt, grunt," >>recycled from "Space Monkey"). Uh, Rex, maybe I can look around for >>something to trade? There was also "Smoother Than Jones" and a completely different "One Time at Sundown". Most of the rest showed up on "The Miller's Tale" (Sixteen Tulips, Anna, Call Me The, that stuff) and then there was another one that never came out at all, real ass-kicker, forget the name but I have a boot somewhere. Oh yeah... "Vanity Fair". And "Circling". Here's the lost album: http://www.marquee.demon.co.uk/vanity.htm I'm majorly curious about the Television reissues. The bonus tracks may derive from the so-called Eno record, I'm guessing, or from the Terry Ork session from whence comes LJJ. I wonder if they'll restore the fade to the end of "Marquee Moon", thus necessitating me retaining my original CD issue. >>"Janie's goin' back to Walker >>says folks there are happy bees >>I say 'you remember Walker? >>you're lookin' for some miseries'" And for years I thought they were happy *beings* as opposed to bees, and that sister says she took the car instead of saying she's just a claw. Dunno which one I like better. Apropos to the "small towns suck" thread, innit? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:15:43 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Well we all need someone we can cream on Quoting Eb : > I don't know about Cream. I always figured that it was simply short > for "Cream of the Crop," because they were all such superstah > musicians. Yeah, that's the "official" explanation. But I thought I'd read that, really, it was just a dirty joke. Oh - and no one's mentioned the band Come... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:22:10 -0500 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: Well we all need someone we can cream on What about the Prince song, "Cream"? At 06:15 PM 7/8/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Quoting Eb : > > > I don't know about Cream. I always figured that it was simply short > > for "Cream of the Crop," because they were all such superstah > > musicians. > >Yeah, that's the "official" explanation. But I thought I'd read that, >really, it was just a dirty joke. > >Oh - and no one's mentioned the band Come... > >..Jeff > >J e f f r e y N o r m a n >The Architectural Dance Society >www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html >:: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb >:: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:20:58 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Well we all need someone we can cream on >Oh - and no one's mentioned the band Come... That's just an abbreviated reference to "The Banana Boat Song." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:22:53 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Gore-free birth details right here... judge the trendiness! Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > BUT... as for the moms being drugged out like in the good old days... > there > are a lot of legit reasons to avoid almost every form of medical > intervention during childbirth if you can manage it. Sure, most of the > kids > turn out okay anyhow, but why risk it? Megan and I did take a birthing > class before #1 Daughter was born, which could be considered "trendy", > but I > wanted to know as much as I could about what was going on in this wacky > and > unknown process. We got hells of good information, and, as intelligent > adults, were able to discard some of the rare anti-medical-establishment > brainwashing or paranoia-inducement which cropped up (I'm > guessing/hoping > from her general tone that Nat won't be too bugged by my having said > that). One of my sisters recently had her first (bringing Rose and my niece/nephew count to 7 - there might be one more, but that's it), and she and her husband had fully planned to do it as un-medically as possible (despite her being a Physician Assistant) - but as it turned out, she had a difficult and painful labor (23 hours), partway through which she decided, to hell with this no pain medication thing, dope me up - and because of some complications, ended up having a C-section (don't remember the details - but it had to do w/problems with baby Reid's heartrate, and his position). She quite sensibly took the approach that, hey, ideals are fine, but they shouldn't endanger the health of mother or infant. Both are now doing quite fine (although the other thing Jill wishes she'd known more about in advance was post-partum depression). As to witnessing/filming/etc.: Rose and I are childfree by choice, so I've never really thought too much about it. ..Jeff, glad to note that Al Gore was not present at Reid's birth either. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:26:06 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: In the city (1% RH) > > > only for people who can't live without a starbucks, 7-11, fred myers > > > or super wal-mart within 1.26147 miles. I lived for six years in a small town (pop 2k). Perhaps existed is a better word. No-one "lived" in that town. It was the traditional one-horse town where the horse had died. Access to any form of masss entertainment work its snuff required the use of a vehicle to get you there, and at my age that was unavailable. Entertainment for young teens seemed to revolve largely around street racing at 2am on a weekend morning. The unemployment rate was well into double figures percent. Intelligent conversation was nonexistent. Heated debate among local adults seemed to be either on sport or stock-to-pasture ratios. Anyone 'different' in any way was squashed into a conforming shape. For someone like me (above average IQ, interest in music other than Meatloaf, non-mainstream views of religion and social mores, belief that men should be able to wear colours other than grey and be able to show some form of emotion occasionally) that was six years too long. To quote Lou and John: "There's only one good thing about a small town - you know that you want to get out". Now I live in a medium sized city (120k) without 7-11, fred myers, or super wal-mart. Not much in the way of local equivalents either, although I suspect that The Warehouse is a bit like an ordinary Wal-Mart. Not sure what a 7-11 or a fred myers is, so I can't comment on them. There is a Starbucks some four miles from here, but I've never been in it. And I am very happy thank you. >cities look more and more like ant farms whether big or small where you >are herded together like livestock in lines for fuel and beer. I don't think I've ever queued for beer, and the longest fuel line I'd have been in would be about three cars. >and they ration your water. nope >they tell you when you can mow you lawn, when you can >water your lawn and even when you can visit public parks and receation >areas. nope. Well, maybe when to water your lawn in the height of summer, if there's a drought. Not otherwise. And if you lived in a small town you'd probably have run out of water completely by that time. >the longer you live in the city the more from life and earth >you become removed well, the open country's only three miles away - and if you want to farm within the city limits there's no problem with that. I can see farms out the window as I look across to the other side of the city from here. A friend of mine who lives a couple of miles south of here - still within the city - has his own dairy cattle. No problem. Admittedly, that wouldn't be easy to do that near the city centre, but why would people want to live there anyway? A few business owner-operators, perhaps, with flats above their work, but when it's only a ten minute commute from the suburbs to the city centre there's no need for anyone to actually live there. >as you keep purchased friends in tanks and cages or on >a leash or in a box, surrounded by plastice flowers and ceramic water >gardens that look so nice on the coffee table. what the hell are ceramic water gardens? And why would you want plastic flowers - what's wrong with real ones? Are smaller cities really that bad in the US, or is Greg having his usual wind-up? - --- oh, and Miles said: >I'll second, third, and fourth Glen's list. Geezus, I realize this list >goes off on biological tangents given its nominal subject matter's >songwriting proclivities congratulations, Miles, on being the first person to allude to Robyn in this list for... what? About two weeks? JBJ followed up moments later. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #256 ********************************