From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #255 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 8 2003 Volume 12 : Number 255 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Someone please release me [steve ] reaps [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: reaps [Ken Weingold ] that lovin' spoonful etc. ["ross taylor" ] Hulk Bulk [Ken Weingold ] Re: that lovin' spoonful etc. ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Myers-Briggs [Ken Weingold ] Re: Someone please release me [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Hulk Bulk ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Myers-Briggs ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Spongebob Squareplacenta ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Myers-Briggs [Ken Weingold ] Nina, Pinta and the Santa Placenta ["Glen Uber" ] San Placenta... I hold the light ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Myers-Briggs [Ken Weingold ] Re: Myers-Briggs [Ken Weingold ] Placenta ["Glen Uber" ] RE: Placenta ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Someone please release me [gshell@metronet.com] RE: Myers-Briggs [Dr John Halewood ] Re: Myers-Briggs ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Myers-Briggs ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Yes, We Have No Placenta [Miles Goosens ] Yet more taboo stuff which comes out of the body ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: face the placenta ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Yet still more old Tom Verlaine reissued ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: face the placenta ["Michael Wells" ] Re: face the placenta ["Glen Uber" ] Natural Processes? [Catherine Simpson ] Re: Natural Processes? [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:57:06 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Someone please release me > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Elizabeth Brion wrote: >> Small-town living is wildly overrated. On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 07:01 AM, gshell@metronet.com wrote: > only for people who can't live without a starbucks, 7-11, fred myers > or super wal-mart within 1.26147 miles. Depends on how long you have to drive to get to civilization. The small town I left in 1970 is still the stinking hole it was then. - - Steve __________ The right to privacy is a right that was created in a law that set forth a (ban on) rights to limit individual passions. And I don't agree with that. - Rick Santorum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reaps Iranian twins Laleh and Ladan Bijani, joined at the head for 29 years, died within 90 minutes of each other Tuesday after doctors separated them but were unable to control their bleeding in the unprecedented surgery. more... ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:34:55 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: reaps On Tue, Jul 8, 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Iranian twins Laleh and Ladan Bijani, joined at the head > for 29 years, died within 90 minutes of each other Tuesday > after doctors separated them but were unable to control > their bleeding in the unprecedented surgery. Damn, that's really sad. I was just watching something on TV last night about it. Everyone seemed so hopeful, but last I heard it was taking much longer than expected due to their skulls being so thick. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:54:51 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: that lovin' spoonful etc. Re. Mike G. & Sebastian loosing credibility-- Wasn't there some big flap around the time "Everything Playing" came out, (1966?) regarding Sebastian or someone in the band having narked [sp? narc'd?] on some hippie druggies, & the hippie community turning against them for that? I seem to remember some later review saying aw, forgive them, they were just under heavy pressure from the Feds. - --- Oh Say Can You See-- Watched the fireworks from the Airport side of the Potomac, instead of the Mall. Just as crowded & crazy, but much faster getting in and out. Also, seeing it across the river, with all the little boats & the reflections, gave a very Francis Scott Key feeling. Now I'm trying to remember Laurie Anderson's quote about how many of America's best writers became expats, or were well outside the mainstream, and even our national anthem was written offshore. With all the debate about intellectual property & fair use nowdays, I'm surprised no one's made a big deal of the fact that our national anthem is a derrivative work (pre-existing music). Speaking of legal stuff, thanks to Mr. Ed for the explication, including "penumbras & emanations" (paging H.P. Lovecraft!) It's fascinating stuff, & t here really should be more introduction to *basic* law as a required course for undergrads, or even at the highschool level. Not just some "Advanced Civics" elective. It seems at least as important as home economics... Ross Taylor "Breaking news -- Dick Cheney releases taped statement apparently made in a cave ..." Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:04:29 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Hulk Bulk Whoops: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:13:55 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: that lovin' spoonful etc. ross taylor wrote: > > Oh Say Can You See-- more from the OSACANUC dept: the annual July 4 municipal fireworks display over Silver Lake, Salem, WI -- which was to be one of the attractions at my cousin's wedding last weekend -- were moved to July 6 "to save money". So we had to make do with some sparklers we got at Walgreens. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:19:51 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Myers-Briggs What do you guys know of this stuff? I didn't know anything about it until yesterday, when someone asked me if I was an INTJ. After some searches I think it may totally have me pegged. This one in particular had me laughing: . The part about dealing with an INTJ. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:21:27 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Someone please release me > > On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Elizabeth Brion wrote: > > >> Small-town living is wildly overrated. > > On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 07:01 AM, gshell@metronet.com wrote: > > > only for people who can't live without a starbucks, 7-11, fred myers > > or super wal-mart within 1.26147 miles. Well, my wife was raised in a small town, and hated it - even though when she left to go to college, none of those things were in the college town either (I still have no idea what a "Fred Myers" is). There are a whole lot of reasons to dislike small-town life besides access to mainstream consumer culture. (And I'm a bit confused: Super Wal-Marts generally are more available to small-town folks than to urban dwellers anyway, whereas Starbucks are the opposite. And you can find 7-11s (or their equivalent) damned near anywhere...) For example, everyone's in your business: no matter what you do or don't do, everyone in town knows about it. Your image and reputation are set in stone, sometimes from before you're even born. And I don't suppose I need to mention that many cultural benefits of larger cities just don't exist in small towns - including, usually, any sort of ethnic or cultural diversity. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:21:15 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Hulk Bulk >From: Ken Weingold >Subject: Hulk Bulk >Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:04:29 -0400 >Whoops: Am I the only one who gets the feeling that the ladies DO like Bruce Banner when he gets upset? Max _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:16:14 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs Ken Weingold wrote: > > What do you guys know of this stuff? That it is greatly misused as a staff-selection tool. And, yeah, I'm supposedly INTJ too, after my former employer put us all through Myers-Briggs, discovered it proved exactly the opposite of what they wanted, then mysteriously cancelled the rest of the testing budget. Best misuse of MBTP I've seen: a right nasty little toad on a mailing list who used to precede every posting with "Please don't attack me because I'm an INTP, but ." Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:37:54 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Spongebob Squareplacenta Nat: >> I also thought I'd mention that a study aid >>used in my class is a TOY PLACENTA. No shit, just like a stuffed animal, >>except... it's a placenta! It comes with membranes and umbilical cord >>attached! I want one... :) At my doctor's office they have actual beanie babies of various internal organs with happy faces (to indicate health, one assumes). I picked up a spleenie babie (or whatever) one time and found out they were swag from a pharmaceutical company, on of those gray-market bribes to get you to use their drugs. I also noticed yesterday that one of the secretaries had a tube of chapstick that had a huge Allegra logo on it, and wondered at the legality of that, labelling-wise. Kind of strongly implies it's a tube of Allegra, doesn't it? Placentas are crazy-lookin', by the way. Colors that shouldn't be inside your body, man. - -Rex "seen a few in my time" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:27:04 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs On Tue, Jul 8, 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Best misuse of MBTP I've seen: a right nasty little toad on a > mailing list who used to precede every posting with "Please don't > attack me because I'm an INTP, but invective>." Oooh, that's weak. Really weak. I hate seeing people who use things like this as a crutch instead of taking responsibility for their own actions. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:30:15 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Nina, Pinta and the Santa Placenta Rex.Broome earnestly scribbled: >Placentas are crazy-lookin', by the way. Colors that shouldn't be inside >your body, man. > >-Rex "seen a few in my time" Broome May I be the first to say: Ewww. - -- "Taking steps to avoid ever having to see one" - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > What do you guys know of this stuff? I didn't know anything about it > until yesterday, when someone asked me if I was an INTJ. After some > searches I think it may totally have me pegged. This one in particular > had me laughing: . The part about > dealing with an INTJ. Synchronicity. While I've been aware of Meyers-Briggs testing for some time and known that I'm INTJ, I was just thinking last night about how you never see this kind of information in personal ads. I thought it would be great to put one out that says something like: INTJ seeks ISTP for solving the world's problems and maybe even doing something about it. No fatties. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:48:43 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: San Placenta... I hold the light Ah, come on. You're in there and you see your kids being born, and at that point you've seen enough crazy shit that when someone says, hey, wanna check out the placenta, you're all, sure, what the hell, you only live once, and if you're gonna see a placenta, might as well be one that was attached to both your wife and your kid, huh? What good is some complete stranger's afterbirth anyway? That whole keeping it thing, though... not my scene. Send it on over to stem cell research, I figure. - -Rex "seriously, just the two, though" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Tue, Jul 8, 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Best misuse of MBTP I've seen: a right nasty little toad on a > > mailing list who used to precede every posting with "Please don't > > attack me because I'm an INTP, but > invective>." > > Oooh, that's weak. Really weak. I hate seeing people who use things > like this as a crutch instead of taking responsibility for their own > actions. Of course you do, you're INTJ. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:39:12 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs On Tue, Jul 8, 2003, Capuchin wrote: > While I've been aware of Meyers-Briggs testing for some time and known > that I'm INTJ, I was just thinking last night about how you never see this > kind of information in personal ads. I thought it would be great to put > one out that says something like: > > INTJ seeks ISTP for solving the world's problems and maybe even doing > something about it. No fatties. Hmmm, you may be onto something. A Meyers-Briggs-based dating site. Of course totally free with all the code for it open-source. ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:41:14 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs A few replies to this already and no one has asked what Robyn is! :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:50:25 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Placenta Rex.Broome earnestly scribbled: >Ah, come on. You're in there and you see your kids being born, and at that >point you've seen enough crazy shit that when someone says, hey, wanna check >out the placenta, you're all, sure, what the hell, you only live once, and >if you're gonna see a placenta, might as well be one that was attached to >both your wife and your kid, huh? Things I don't need to do in this lifetime: 1) Jump out of an airplane 2) See Rosie O'Donnell naked 3) See a placenta >What good is some complete stranger's afterbirth anyway? I think Stranger's Afterbirth would be a great name for a punk band. - -- "August 29 is V Day" - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:06:43 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: Placenta I might could jump out of an airplane if a parachute was involved. We'll have to see what form my midlife crisis takes when it arrives. - -Rex "more likely I'll become obsessed with swimming with manta rays or something" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:01:40 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: Someone please release me On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > only for people who can't live without a starbucks, 7-11, fred myers > > > or super wal-mart within 1.26147 miles. > > Well, my wife was raised in a small town, and hated it - even though when > she left to go to college, none of those things were in the college town > either does she like watching television, especially daytime tv? no offense meant, but every problem has a cause. > There are a whole lot of reasons to dislike small-town life besides > access to mainstream consumer culture. a whole lot of reasons for who? people who live in the city or people who are convinced they are supposed to live in a city? mainstream accoring to who? you must by default believe the mainstream the correct or best "stream". >(And I'm a bit confused: Super Wal-Marts generally are more >available to small-town folks than to urban dwellers anyway, whereas small towns do not have super wal-marts. a small town could not support a super wal-mart. a town of 20k or so could support a super-walmart but that is not a small town. > Starbucks are the opposite. And you can find 7-11s (or their equivalent) > damned near anywhere...) For example, everyone's in your business: no matter > what you do or don't do, everyone in town knows about it. Your image and > reputation are set in stone, sometimes from before you're even born. move to the woods or accept the fact that most of the people you see or deal with have already classified you, whether you see them at the laundry or near the stream. you can be re-classified, but that can happen anywhere. > And I don't suppose I need to mention that many cultural benefits of larger > cities just don't exist in small towns - including, usually, any sort of > ethnic or cultural diversity. dramatic cultural or ethnical diversity that we are as of yet unaware is most likely better left in the shit hole of a country it probably came from. i encourage people who enjoy the city to live there but please stay there. cities look more and more like ant farms whether big or small where you are herded together like livestock in lines for fuel and beer. and they ration your water. they tell you when you can mow you lawn, when you can water your lawn and even when you can visit public parks and receation areas. you mass togther because it makes you feel safer, but in fact it just makes you easier to control. cities are like religions and i believe they have the same purpose. they are convenient, assuring, seemingly safe. but they are none of these things. cities are wasteful, unhealthy and dangerous and very good at convincing people of their neccesity by either over emphasizing ease of use and the advantages of living in a modern, templated society or by frightening you into believing that you are doomed without them. the longer you live in the city the more from life and earth you become removed as you keep purchased friends in tanks and cages or on a leash or in a box, surrounded by plastice flowers and ceramic water gardens that look so nice on the coffee table. it is fucking frightening, but of course you city folks know best. so buy that nice home on that nice culdesac and drive to the city park past those beautifully manicured streets and lawns and the high pressure sodium bulbs that light your side-walks and parkways. Smell the Scott's turf builder and Hot Shot ant spray wafting over from the subdivision on the other side of that 8 foot brick wall, protecting the property values of the lower middle class from the upper lower class and then buy a heat and serve lasagne dinner for you and the kids after you get the super deluxe car wash for only 5 dollars because you bought more than 7 gallons of fuel. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:02:22 +0100 From: Dr John Halewood Subject: RE: Myers-Briggs > What do you guys know of this stuff? I didn't know anything about it > until yesterday, when someone asked me if I was an INTJ. My view of the usefulness of the Myers-Briggs test was somewhat tainted when I discovered that I seem to change type each time I do a test. Mind you, this isn't helped by my usual reaction to yes/no questions, which is often "neither". cheers john (INTP today, apparantly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:04:17 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs Ken wrote: > > Oooh, that's weak. Really weak. I hate seeing > people who use things > like this as a crutch Yuip. Worst thing was that I think it was on a Quaker mailing list, where ad-hominem is right out of order. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:06:57 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs Jeme wrote: > > you never see this > kind of information in personal ads. Quaker personal ads are full of them. I think it's 'cos one of Myers or Briggs was a Friend that it's so big with 'em. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:19:17 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Yes, We Have No Placenta At 09:50 AM 7/8/2003 -0700, Glen Uber wrote: >Rex.Broome earnestly scribbled: > >>Ah, come on. You're in there and you see your kids being born, and at that >>point you've seen enough crazy shit that when someone says, hey, wanna check >>out the placenta, you're all, sure, what the hell, you only live once, and >>if you're gonna see a placenta, might as well be one that was attached to >>both your wife and your kid, huh? > >Things I don't need to do in this lifetime: > >1) Jump out of an airplane >2) See Rosie O'Donnell naked >3) See a placenta I'll second, third, and fourth Glen's list. Geezus, I realize this list goes off on biological tangents given its nominal subject matter's songwriting proclivities, but I sorta have the same sick feeling now that I do whenever I'm watching TLC (the channel, not the group) and out of the blue, without warning, they run a promo for AFTERBIRTH STORY or whatever gory real-life medical show they're trying out this week, and suddenly there's a squalling red fetus covered in goo on my TV, and I didn't have time to look away so now I've seen it and have to deal with that image whether I chose to or not. What the hell happened to women being knocked out on drugs when they give birth, the way our mothers did it? I'm not picking on Rex, who has never struck me as trendy or shallow, but I find the whole film-the-birth/keep-the-afterbirth/father-forced-to-watch-live-gore trend disturbing on about a thousand levels. Back to Glen's list: For item #1 to pass, the plane I'm on will have to be headed for a crash. The closest I hope to get to item #2 was the film of EXIT TO EDEN (Rosie in dom gear, bleagh!), but it was worth suffering through to see all of Dana Delaney. IMO, anyway. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:29:24 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Yet more taboo stuff which comes out of the body Mike G: >>I think John Sebastian lost a lot of credibility round here following his >>blissed out "Whoo! It's like a whole city out there!" speech at Woodstock, >>which preceded his performance of 'Younger Generation'. But that speech also furnished one of the better sampled dialogue hooks in early techno... "Far Out" by Sonz of a Loop da Loop Era. Eb on the Spoonful: >>(Yes, I know what the name really means.) And that substance is (forgive the puns) a wellspring of band names for reasons which escape me... 10cc and The Wonder Stuff come immediately to mind but I think I used to know one or two other ones... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: face the placenta I know that Robyn's music appeals to many of us because alot of his lyrics deal with reality by side-stepping it, or draping it in surreal imagery, but you people who find childbirth disgusting are from another planet. Childbirth was not invented by George Romero or Wes Craven. It is a natural process. Yes, there is some blood involved. Yes, there is goo. But this is life we're talking about. Its how _most_ of you got here. Are the same people who are hemming and hawing about looking at a placenta the same ones who have not, or never will, have children? Enquiring splatstick fans want to know. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:29:35 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: face the placenta At 10:22 AM 7/8/2003 -0700, John Barrington Jones wrote: >but you people who find childbirth disgusting are from another planet. > >Childbirth was not invented by George Romero or Wes Craven. It is a >natural process. Taking a crap is natural process, but I don't wanna watch people doing it. According to an online test I just took, I'm a INTJ too. But, I did want to answer "sometimes yes, sometimes no" to some of the questions... - --Jason "Well she's faster than most and she lives on the coast, I'm her two-penny prince and I give her hot love." -- T. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:01:57 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Yet still more old Tom Verlaine reissued http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=CCM03942 Flash Light! This was a really important record for me. It might sound very dated to 1987production-wise at this point, and the songs are more compact and poppy than Television, but they're also great, and, you know, the guitar-playing is pretty okay, too. And it's got at least two tunes that should've been huge among the college-rock crowd at the time but went nowhere-- see especially "A Town Called Walker". Blah blah blah... but anyway, it's one of my own personal favorite records of all time. Looks like a pretty bare-bones reissue. Don't even see a reference to remastering. And no bonus tracks, which is a damned shame since there's an entire album's worth of them to be had... Verlaine had recorded a whole rejected (yet pretty damned good) record right before this, including different versions of some of the same tunes and a slew of other which eventually surfaced as b-sides. It'd be nice to have 'em all in one place, but hell, I'm just happy this is back in print. What with this and the Let's Active reissues it looks like CCM is mining the old IRS catalog for all it's worth... maybe there's some other interesting stuff in there. too... at least one latter-day dB's record, I believe... - -Rex np "Spiritual", Tom Verlaine & the Kronos Quartet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:53:57 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Spongebob Squareplacenta on 7/8/03 9:37 AM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Nat: >>> I also thought I'd mention that a study aid >>> used in my class is a TOY PLACENTA. No shit, just like a stuffed animal, >>> except... it's a placenta! It comes with membranes and umbilical cord >>> attached! I want one... :) > > At my doctor's office they have actual beanie babies of various internal > organs with happy faces (to indicate health, one assumes). I picked up a > spleenie babie (or whatever) one time and found out they were swag from a > pharmaceutical company, on of those gray-market bribes to get you to use > their drugs. > Not just drug companies. My daughter recently had her 18-month checkup (perfect, thank you. http://www.joelleclark.com ), and the receptionist gave her a "Finding Nemo" sticker, no doubt provided by the good people at Disney. - -t "get 'em when they're young" c n.d. Surprisingly decent coffee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:53:31 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: face the placenta Jason > Taking a crap is natural process, but I don't wanna watch people doing it. I think the original issue was seeing 'related placenta'(that involved in the birth of your own children) vs 'random stranger placenta' (like that which Miles caught on TV). Trust me on this...if you're in on the birth, and it's YOUR child coming out, the last thing you'll be looking at is the placenta. There is something incredibly focusing about a little =you= screaming and crying there under the warming lamp, to the exclusion of most everything else. In our case - twins - ISTR hearing one of the two doctors say "look (meaning the placenta), it's the size of another baby" as she placed it on a scale for weighing. It just wasn't important...in fact I had to be told afterwards most of the ancillary stuff that went on around us while the births were going down. Michael "apparently, it was freaking huge" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:09:49 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: face the placenta John earnestly scribbled: >but you people who find childbirth disgusting are from another planet. Actually, you're not the first to call me an alien. >Childbirth was not invented by George Romero or Wes Craven. It is a >natural process. So is taking a dump after eating or puking after getting drunk or jerking off into your girlfriend's hair after a blowjob, but those things don't ever seem to come up in everyday conversation. Why is that? >Are the same people who are hemming and hawing about looking at a placenta >the same ones who have not, or never will, have children? Enquiring >splatstick fans want to know. Guilty as charged. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Remember when you're out there trying to heal the sick that you must always first forgive them." --Bob Dylan, "Open The Door, Homer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:22:41 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: Natural Processes? Glen Uber said (in reference to things that are a "natural process")... >>... So is taking a dump after eating or puking after getting drunk or jerking >>off into your girlfriend's hair after a blowjob... May I take a moment to point out that if you still have to jerk off *after* the blowjob, then your girlfriend needs some serious practice? And seriously, jerking off in someone's HAIR? What kind of cretin does that? - - Catherine (I'm just sayin'...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:26:22 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Natural Processes? On Tue, Jul 8, 2003, Catherine Simpson wrote: > Glen Uber said (in reference to things that are a "natural process")... > > >>... So is taking a dump after eating or puking after getting drunk or > jerking > >>off into your girlfriend's hair after a blowjob... > > May I take a moment to point out that if you still have to jerk off *after* > the blowjob, then your girlfriend needs some serious practice? And > seriously, jerking off in someone's HAIR? What kind of cretin does that? Apparently Glen. ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #255 ********************************