From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #249 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 2 2003 Volume 12 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- wirey, not domestic [Miles Goosens ] Some compliments, you just never expect to get [Eb ] Re: Some compliments, you just never expect to get [Tom Clark ] Re: wirey, not domestic [Aaron Mandel ] screenplays of all sorts [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: screenplays of all sorts [Tom Clark ] Re: Someone please extract me from this lame-o screenplay [Capuchin ] Re: happy canada day, you hosers! ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: happy canada day, you hosers! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] re Rats ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: more 70s, Steely Dan & Dylan [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: norvegicus [Michael R Godwin ] More songs about sea creatures (no radish content) [Dr John Halewood ] Re: iSight test anyone? [Ken Weingold ] Re: iSight test anyone? ["Glen Uber" ] OT - National Gallery of Scotland query ["ross taylor" ] Random grumble [Eb ] Re: iSight test anyone? [Steve Talkowski ] huge, gelatinous sea creature ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Someone please extract me from this lame-o screenplay ["Jason R. Thor] California leaving on such a winter's day... ["Glen Uber" Subject: wirey, not domestic At 12:57 PM 6/30/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >Mike G: >>>I don't know anything about Wire; they are often mentioned on the >>>Fireparty as well. I always assumed they were un unlistenable Slapp Happy >>>- - Fred Frith sort of thing. Maybe I'm wrong? > >Ye gods! If there's a less wankery album than Pink Flag I've yet to hear it >(unless it's Send)! You still might not like them, but it's angular >art-punk. Sort of. Hard to explain Rex said it. Gang of Four is probably the closest comp, but even that comparison only gets you maybe 1/10th of the way there. http://www.wireviews.com probably has links to everything in cyberspace about Wire. Here's my one-paragraph summation of Wire from my own website: "I was a late comer to the music of Wire, but I've made up for lost time. Despite getting turned on to 'underground' (a label that wasn't quite as distasteful or meaningless as 'alternative') music by the Clash in 1980, I somehow missed Wire entirely. I didn't own a record of theirs until Enigma reissued PINK FLAG in 1989, and even then I didn't get hooked on Wire until a couple of years later. But Gilbert/Gotobed/Lewis/Newman have seized hold of my imagination ever since, their albums (A BELL IS A CUP and CHAIRS MISSING in particular) spending weeks simmering in my brain. Wire's music is the closest aural approximation to 3-D space I've ever heard; their compositions are like exhibitions of the plastic arts, what with a non-sequitur here, a drum sound throbbing in the center of the room, a guitar texture in this corner, a completely different guitar texture in that one, a keyboard riff flowing from the ceiling like a mobile or a tapestry. I've never heard anything like them. " Probably doesn't help, huh? :-) I haven't read all the bad movie accents posts yet, but Meryl Streep is an underrated contender there -- everyone assumes that she's such a kick-ass actress, but attentive viewers would give her at least seven of the top ten slots at the top of the "bad accent" charts. I especially liked it a few years ago when she refused to work with a dialogue coach, shooing him or her away with "I'll just *find* the accent, like I do in all my movies." Heh. later, Miles, who's sorry about Rex's bad day, and is willing to loan out his seldom-erring sense of direction for Rex's use tonight (have it back in the garage by noon Friday, sonny!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:23:30 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Some compliments, you just never expect to get Today, I was told that I have "nice-looking urine." Eb PS Hey, is that guy who has the Mitch Easter website (mitchworldusa.net) still on the list? What happened to your site? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:09:18 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Inessential '70's Eb: >>Doesn't sound too "essential" to me, even by your own standards. ;) You know, you're totally right. I frame my comments incorrectly, at least with regards to Harrison; in that case you were cutting an artist for whom I have affection moreso than an essential one. I think I was saying what I meant about the other ones, though. So New Zealand or, like, Central California... I can live with that. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:02:10 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Some compliments, you just never expect to get on 7/1/03 2:23 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Today, I was told that I have "nice-looking urine." > Yeah, it's weird what you hear while on line at the bank. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Accents, as Usual On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, James Dignan wrote: > Anyone who han't seen The Usual Suspects and who still wants to (anyone?) > may not want to read the following: Uh... ditto. > one of the more obvious of the thousand and one plot holes. Um, you're prefacing YOUR proposed plot hole, not the comment earlier about Kobayashi not being his real name, right? People say that Usual Suspects and Miller's Crossing are both just chock-full of holes, but nobody's ever laid them out for me. And I've seen Miller's Crossing a zillion times. I think most holes are just misinterpretations or assumptions that aren't actually in the text. > How did the name get onto the police report sheet a few scenes earlier > if it was being made up on the spur of the moment? Um, was the name not used AT ALL by Verble (or however you spell that as a name) before it showed on the police report? Which report has his name on it? I guess I just assumed any reference to the story outside the office was from the recordings being made and the police madly tracking down clues based on this "confession". > Postlethwaite's like Connery in a way. Good when doing his (presumably) > native east-end London, but the accents are a little dodgy elsewhere (He > was excellent in the recent TV mini-series "The Sins", for instance). - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 19:19:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: wirey, not domestic On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > Rex said it. Gang of Four is probably the closest comp, but even that > comparison only gets you maybe 1/10th of the way there. In the sense that Wire are highly original, that is, not in the sense that they're like the Gang Of Four but more so. (I've loved Wire for pretty much my entire music-buying life, but when I want to hear Entertainment! there's no way I'd swap in a Wire album, except maybe selected parts of Chairs Missing.) Even Wire's abstract/pretentious side tends to be much harder than the kind of thing I associate with Frith or Henry Cow (not to harp on Michael's misapprehension), like the white noise of whichever solo Gilbert that is or Newman's "A-Z" yelping. a np. The Dismemberment Plan - Change (I feel unconverted and yet I'm definitely enjoying it) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:31:52 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: screenplays of all sorts >> The BBC also showed the excellent 1954 version of 1984, with Peter Cushing >> as Winston Smith and Andre Morell as O'Brien. Unfortunately it was on >> digital and the reception fell apart while I was watching it. > >Haven't seen that version. It's not the one where Winston and Julia go >before a firing squad unbroken and defiant to the end, is it? I've heard >that one 50s adaptation ends that way, entirely missing one of the biggest >themes of Orwell's novel. well, for people who've read the book, it only goes to prove Orwell's point. Nothing like the popularised version sanitising the message... >n.p. Syd Barrett "Rats" I see your Barrett and raise you the Stranglers "Down in the sewer" - --- Hope your week improves, Rex... that's quite a series of events. >>But I think I really want to move somewhere else now. Where's good for, >>like, kids and semi-artsy adults like me and wifey? > >James Dignan's basement? head-height four feet? I don't think so. But I've got this attic... James (hoping that the BBC's Langham Orwell gets to NZ TV). James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:38:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: screenplays of all sorts on 7/1/03 4:31 PM, James Dignan at grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >> James Dignan's basement? > > head-height four feet? I don't think so. "Being James Dignan"? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Someone please extract me from this lame-o screenplay Capitalization added for emphasis by me. On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Few weeks ago she got hit by a CAR on the street outside her house. [snip] > I sulk home (can you DRIVE sulkily? I sure tried) [snip] > I think I just HIT someone and we have to take him to the hospital. [snip] > Oh yeah, and it turns out through nobody's fault that nobody's gonna be > able to PICK ME UP at the airport tonight so I have to RENT A CAR and > get myself from Oakland to Vallejo [snip] > she had been getting out of her parked car when a cyclist, swerving to > AVOID A MOVING CAR in the road, had run into her CAR DOOR and broken his > finger. Believe me, getting doored by a car is a very serious matter for a cyclist. Really, drivers shouldn't be openning street-side doors at all. A good friend of former fegs Dave Derosa and Viv Lyon was killed by a door in Chicago a couple of years back. > But I think I really want to move somewhere else now. Where's good for, > like, kids and semi-artsy adults like me and wifey? The problems all seem pretty closely related to me. You should give up on driving and move to a place where you don't have to do anything like that more than once or twice a month. The problems caused are much greater than the problems solved. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:32:39 -0400 From: stevetalkowski@mac.com Subject: iSight test anyone? So, I'm up in the mountains all last week shooting a BMW commercial in Mammoth, CA and missed the big WWDC keynote. (New G5's...drool...) I picked up one of those groovy iSight firewire cameras and need to find someone else running the public beta of iChatAV to give it a whirl. I'm logged on via my AIM account as: sketchguy Any of you OSX-ers up for a videoFegChat? - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:36:30 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: happy canada day, you hosers! It's been great! Stewart nd: St-Ambroise Oatmeal Stout. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:44:22 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: happy canada day, you hosers! >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: happy canada day, you hosers! >Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:36:30 -0400 >It's been great! Yes, but are Cheap Trick playing in your town for the holiday? Seeing Cheap Trick in Pennsauken on the 4'th, Max PS. Happy Canada Day!!!! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: For the fegparents On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Christopher Gross wrote: > But if the *total* birthrate decreases, while lifespans continue to > increase, that could be a bad thing. Eventually we'd wind up with too > few workers supporting too many retirees. Actually, this is great news. The fact is that production capacity is WAY over the level required to maintain the population and fewer capable workers supporting a larger aged or otherwise nonproductive population sounds like a pretty good way to bring that production up to its full capacity. The long term effect, of course, SHOULD be decreased work hours as the demand drops and the population decreases. The mandatory high unemployment of the "new economy" is a side-effect of that high productivity... so are programs that, for example, pay folks not to produce food in order to stabilize price. I truly believe that many markets are kept going only by forcing scarcity in the face of abundance. The whole society exists to serve the market instead of the other way around. > It's countries like Russia or Italy, whose birthrates have fallen to > half the replacement rate, who are in big trouble. In a few decades, > these places are going to have social and economic problems different > from, but just as severe as, countries with serious OVERpopulation. Increased worker productivity will bring new ideas of economics that allow for greater leisure in the population that survives after the age bubble passes. > On a more immediate level, I wouldn't count on class sizes going anytime > soon. More likely school budgets will go down, and class sizes will > *increase*. True nuff. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:06:11 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: happy canada day, you hosers! Maximilian Lang wrote: > > Yes, but are Cheap Trick playing in your town for the holiday? is that good or bad? I think we had to make do with Ashley MacIsaac. Anyways, I'm going to be in Wisconsin for the 4th. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:10:58 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: happy canada day, you hosers! >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Reply-To: "Stewart C. Russell" >Subject: Re: happy canada day, you hosers! >Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:06:11 -0400 >Maximilian Lang wrote: >>Yes, but are Cheap Trick playing in your town for the holiday? >>is that good or bad? I think we had to make do with Ashley MacIsaac. >>Anyways, I'm going to be in Wisconsin for the 4th. It's better than Frampton across the river in Philadelphia! Max PS. Last year Frampton played in Pennsauken(it was 101 degrees so we skipped it)! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:33:39 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Savbladet.dk Danske musikudgivelser med medvirken af sav Yes, it's Danish music, all featuring the musical saw: There are MP3s. Fear them. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:20:25 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: happy canada day, you hosers! > Yes, but are Cheap Trick playing in your town for the holiday? > is that good or bad? I think we had to make do with Ashley MacIsaac. > Anyways, I'm going to be in Wisconsin for the 4th. Why then you can do Summerfest in Milwaukee! http://www.summerfest.com/entertainment/ I see Quiet Riot is performing, they're right up your street Stewart...oh yeah, and there's a couple other acts as well. Actually a pretty sharp lineup as usual, too bad you have to be in Wisco to see it. > It's better than Frampton across the river in Philadelphia! Sounds like a horrible B movie. Tuneage abounds this weekend 'round these parts...between Taste of Chicago, Summerfest, and all the municipal festivals you can't move for musicians. Look to be hooking up with Daryl B. for Dickey Betts / Los Lobos on Thursday (forgoing BOC, alas) and then playing it by ear. Maybe Santana on Saturday, though I for sure want to be back in town for Blondie on Sunday. Always had a thing for Debby Harry...a thing likely be cured by seeing her in concert at this age, sure, but then we all looked better twenty-five years ago. Michael "I'm gonna gitcha gitcha gitcha gitcha" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:08:46 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: norvegicus > >n.p. Syd Barrett "Rats" On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, James Dignan wrote: > I see your Barrett and raise you the Stranglers "Down in the sewer" Sorry about this, James, but you leave me no alternative. I'm going to play: Ben - Michael Jackson - - Ratso Rizzo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:05:15 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: re Rats James: >>n.p. Syd Barrett "Rats" >I see your Barrett and raise you the Stranglers "Down in the sewer" If only I could find a copy of Mother Gong's Fairy Tales... Through distant memory I recall Browning's Pied Piper recited by Gilly Smyth with Nik Turner providing the part flute. The tale of baba yaga is the highlight of the album, though. Brian, trying to decide whether to fork out for the recenet remaster of Heavy Horses. _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:01:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: more 70s, Steely Dan & Dylan On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, ross taylor wrote: > I also regret leaving out Steely Dan, but just for the 1st 3 albums. > I'm glad I listened to Royal Scam & Katy Lied then, but couldn't now. > In some ways the lyrics got better, but the music got more impersonal, > more lite jazz. One of my main pleasures in the early S. Dan was the > various guitarists. I'll line up with Ross in defending Steely Dan. I suppose if you're allergic to jazz chords and/or horn arrangements, the later stuff may raise hives...although at least on _Katy Lied_ those things are more subdued. I'd disagree about "impersonal," though - I'm not sure the instrumental aspects of Steely Dan were ever terribly "personal" (whatever that means) - to me, the personality of Steely Dan was always in Becker and Fagen's lyrics and Fagen's voice. Those things, too, helped vinegar the saccharine tendencies inherent in their jazz flavorings - and at least on the first reunion album (haven't heard the new one), I think they're actually playing with the somewhat dated, EZ aspects of the music in a form of meta-commentary. Far more words thereon at (and I apologize - I keep meaning to redo the background but, hey, there are more important things in the world, like sitting around warm summer afternoons drinking beer). The Steely Dan albums fell out of my consideration because I replaced them with the box set...and my filtering mechanism dropped that one out because tracks on it postdate the end of the decade. I might have considered _Countdown to Ecstasy_ or maybe _Katy Lied_ as possibilities if I'd thought of them. I get why some people go "ehh" or even "yacchh" at them - but I like 'em anyway. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ np: Summer Hymns - first one whose title I forget ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:20:18 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: norvegicus MRG wrote: > > Ben - Michael Jackson consider yourself well and truly mornington crescented with my call of probably the worst rendition of "Ben" ever: Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:46:28 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: norvegicus On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > consider yourself well and truly mornington crescented with my call of > probably the worst rendition of "Ben" ever: > I think the coughing is the best part. Let me know when you come up with any comparable performances of "I am I said" or "Honey I miss you (but I'm being good)". - - MRG n.p. "Spinning Wheel" from Kenny Everetts' "20 bursts of the worst" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:06:31 +0100 From: Dr John Halewood Subject: More songs about sea creatures (no radish content) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3039102.stm ...I just looked at the picture and thought "Underwater Moonlight", for no good reason cheers john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:24:50 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: More songs about sea creatures (no radish content) Dr. John: > ...I just looked at the picture and thought "Underwater Moonlight", for no > good reason Hmm, though the boulders aren't as rough, the shoreline/background image strikes me as being quite similar. Great "see also" links! Michael "Rex, call the album 'Super Squid'!" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:34:26 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: iSight test anyone? on 7/1/03 6:32 PM, stevetalkowski@mac.com at stevetalkowski@mac.com wrote: > So, I'm up in the mountains all last week shooting a BMW commercial in > Mammoth, CA and missed the big WWDC keynote. (New G5's...drool...) > > I picked up one of those groovy iSight firewire cameras and need to > find someone else running the public beta of iChatAV to give it a whirl. > > I'm logged on via my AIM account as: sketchguy > > Any of you OSX-ers up for a videoFegChat? > Save your bandwidth. I've been trying on and off for days and can't get it to work. I've heard of varying successes with audio-only, but it hasn't worked for me. I've opened every port in my firewall that I've seen mentioned in the support chats and still no luck. I think I'll just wait for Panther and a GM version of iChat A/V. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:49:36 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: iSight test anyone? On Wed, Jul 2, 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > Save your bandwidth. I've been trying on and off for days and can't get it > to work. I've heard of varying successes with audio-only, but it hasn't > worked for me. I've opened every port in my firewall that I've seen > mentioned in the support chats and still no luck. I think I'll just wait > for Panther and a GM version of iChat A/V. Weird, Tom. Steve and I did it last night and it worked first try. I didn't even need to touch my firewall. What happened with yours? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:52:05 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: iSight test anyone? Ken earnestly scribbled: >On Wed, Jul 2, 2003, Tom Clark wrote: >> Save your bandwidth. I've been trying on and off for days and can't get it >> to work. I've heard of varying successes with audio-only, but it hasn't >> worked for me. I've opened every port in my firewall that I've seen >> mentioned in the support chats and still no luck. I think I'll just wait >> for Panther and a GM version of iChat A/V. > >Weird, Tom. Steve and I did it last night and it worked first try. I >didn't even need to touch my firewall. What happened with yours? I think it might be a pacbell.net network issue. I have trouble logging into certain sites and doing any sort of outgoing file transfer via IM. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Soylens Viridis Homines Est" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:53:11 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: OT - National Gallery of Scotland query I'm trying to identify a painting that either belongs to the National Gallery of Scotland or would have been hanging there in 1987. It's a late Medevil or Renaisance picture of the Last Judgement. A lot of saints are featured, and they seem to be arguing about their sufferings. For instance Albertus holds up his own flayed skin & points to it emphatically, somebody else points to his wounds, etc. I'm used to asking dumb or unanswerable questions here & am trying to avoid asking same of the Gallery (or subscribing to that Scottish picture database, SCAN or whatever). Or I guess any other picture where saints argue about their suffering. Thanks for your head scratching. Ross Taylor "mona lisa musta had tha' highway blues" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:57:02 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: To finish my thought Glen earnestly scribbled: >I think it might be a pacbell.net network issue. I have trouble logging >into certain sites and doing any sort of outgoing file transfer via IM. ...when I'm connected through pacbell.net. When I connect through dialup, these problems disappear. I'm thinking that pacbell.net's IP range is blocked by certain sites and by extension, prohibited from performing certain tasks (like outgoing file transfer via IM). - -- Cheers! - -g- "Soylens Viridis Homines Est" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:28:32 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Random grumble Starting in about 35 minutes, I'm not allowed to eat anything for about 24 hours. Blah. Eb, looking forward to a debilitating headache tonight ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:01:29 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: iSight test anyone? On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 01:34 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > Save your bandwidth. I've been trying on and off for days and can't > get it > to work. I've heard of varying successes with audio-only, but it > hasn't > worked for me. I've opened every port in my firewall that I've seen > mentioned in the support chats and still no luck. I think I'll just > wait > for Panther and a GM version of iChat A/V. Ken and I got it working last night. Today, however, I can't get a connection with our clients in Minneapolis. I suspect it's a firewall/port issue. See if this Macintouch page has any helpful info: http://www.macintouch.com/ichatav.html#jul02 - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:51:45 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: huge, gelatinous sea creature http://www.msnbc.com/news/933992.asp?cp1=1 "First thought to be whale skin, it could be huge octopus..." - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:54:23 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Someone please extract me from this lame-o screenplay At 01:30 PM 7/1/2003 -0700, Elizabeth Brion wrote: >We've moved to San Luis Obispo since, which is a small improvement, but I >would strongly advise anyone against this whole county. The cost of living >has spiraled out of control, and the wages have not increased to match it. >And I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the whole >being-surrounded-by-nothing-but-white-people thing is creepy. I lived in San Luis Obispo county, in Paso Robles to be specific, during my high school year. My sister and her husband are still stuck there. Morro Bay and the entire coast up there are simply gorgeous, but it's definitely not the most exciting place to live. Fantastic place to go wine tasting, though. Cost of living seems to have spiraled out of control in a lot of California... - --Jason "creepy like a caucasian" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:10:17 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: California leaving on such a winter's day... Jason earnestly scribbled: >Cost of living seems to have spiraled out of control in a lot of California... Which is the reason my wife and I will no longer be residents of this great state next year at this time. We're planning to move after the first of the year (March or so) and have narrowed our destination down to the Denver/Golden/Ft. Collins, CO area, the Albuquerque/Santa Fe/Rio Rancho, NM area and Flagstaff, AZ area. The factors that will determine where we end up are cost of living, real estate prices (we really want to buy a house), and job market. At this point, however, I'm willing to work most anywhere or do most anything to become a homeowner. Other things that we consider essential are a fairly liberal (or, at the very least, progressive) local government, close proximity to a metro area (airport, concerts, civilization) and access to good beer and/or brewpubs. Having visited all the above areas as recently as October, I'm satisfied that they all meet our criteria. Does anyone have a differing opinion? I'm sure gonna miss the ocean, though... - -- Cheers! - -g- "Soylens Viridis Homines Est" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: California leaving on such a winter's day... On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Glen Uber wrote: > Does anyone have a differing opinion? What's disqualified Portland; me or the job market? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #249 ********************************