From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #247 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, June 30 2003 Volume 12 : Number 247 Today's Subjects: ----------------- For the fegparents ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: OS X assistance, please [Capuchin ] Re: OS X assistance, please ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Amusing list ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Power nipples ["Rex.Broome" ] Try Apathy ["Iosso, Ken" ] Re: Try Apathy [FSThomas ] Re: Power nipples [brian@lazerlove5.com] Re: For the fegparents [Christopher Gross ] Re: Amusing list [Groove Puppy ] RE: Amusing list ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Amusing list ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Amusing list [Christopher Gross ] Ahoy, me Beefhearties [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Re: Power nipples [Eb ] Rexor doesn't think Luxor suxor anything ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Amusing list [Barbara Soutar ] Re: p*litical singers/accent grave [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: p*litical singers/accent grave [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Power nipples ["Stewart C. Russell" ] bad accent [Jill Brand ] Re: bad accent [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:30:35 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: For the fegparents I found this extremely heartening... am I alone? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N25207895.htm Just seems to indicate smaller class sizes, as well as classmates with more involved and mature parents, when my girls reach school age. I'd guess the stats on "unmarried women", especially among the older demographic, are misleading, as being married is less and less an indicator of an involved spouse or partner. Lots of lesbian couples with kids... I know several couples with two kids apiece, each of whom count for two unmarried mothers... not to mention all the unmarried long-term live-in het couples. Am I missing a downside here? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: OS X assistance, please On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Glen Uber wrote: > Tried repairing the permissions to no avail. Logging in as root from the > boot panel yields the same result. This sounds exactly like what happens when X can't start on a regular unixy system. I know OSX doesn't use X Windows, but could it be something similar? Can you log into a non-graphical console and start the graphical system manually to see what errors arise? Usually X is crashing after the display manager starts because of a bad window manager configuration or a missing home directory or something. Can you view the error log? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:25:00 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Re: OS X assistance, please Capuchin earnestly scribbled: >This sounds exactly like what happens when X can't start on a regular >unixy system. I know OSX doesn't use X Windows, but could it be something >similar? > >Can you log into a non-graphical console and start the graphical system >manually to see what errors arise? I'll give it a shot. >Usually X is crashing after the display manager starts because of a bad >window manager configuration or a missing home directory or something. > >Can you view the error log? I'll let you know. Thanks! - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: I'm gonna ignore the politcal thread and focus instead on Liz Phair's nipples and I suggest you all do the same "Rex.Broome" wrote: > >>Soccer parents (well, a lot of them) make Southern > Baptists > >>look moderate and open-minded. It's only a sport -- all > >>preferences are aesthetic in nature. > > I way don't grasp the stereotype "soccer mom"... I mean, > I could draw a picture of one, but I'm not sure what the > psychology is meant to be, but with growing little girls > in the house I'm sure to find out. However, James, Actually, that was me -- first FF, now James. I'm beginning to think this is personal. And I was actually referring to (though I wasn't clear enough) to parents of younger kids, more elementary school age (6-11). I used to work at the local soccer fields -- nothing game related -- and these kids all this "I'm being tortured here and I can't wait to get old to wreak havoc on these pricks" look on their face. I'm really sympathetic to the idea that organized kids sports is killing the love of sports in kids in the US because these hideous parents treat everything so damn seriously, as if their little kid is going to fulfill all their failed dreams. It's bad enough when these assholes do it to teenagers -- at least teenagers have drugs, Snoop Dogg, and body piercings to get back at Mom and Dad with. But little kids are completely held hostage. > you shouldn't underestimate how hardcore parents > are about every *other* high school sport in the US. > Especially in small town, HS sports are THE dominant > idiom. My dad was a coach and my brother was on a > number of teams, and oh, the sturm und drang, lemme > tell ya. It's all the *adults* talk about, > ferchrissakes. God... for a high school football star, > life is guaranteed to peak at 17. Wouldn't wish that on > my worst foe. Remember what happened to Ross Perot back in 91 or so when he was head of a commission to study how to improve Texas high schools? They came back with the conclusion that High School football needed to be de-emphasized, and you would have though he advocated mandatory satanic ritual sodomy for all freshmen! It's not wonder he's a paranoid loon -- they are all STILL after him, no doubt. It's nice to have gone to a high school where the only sports we were good at were tennis and swimming. Oh, and that one girl who went and won an Olympic figure skating medal in 1992.# The only reason I remember the quarterback from my senior years name is that it was Lou Panella*. #Kristi Yamaguchi. *NB for James, etc: there's a fairly well known baseball player/now manger named Lou Pinella, pronounced the same. > I'm not touching the voting thread with a 30-foot tinfoil > thoth. > > -Rex, thoughts on Luxor to follow ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:28:28 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: Amusing list Ken suggests: > On the contrary an incredible accent I thought was Minnie Driver in > Grosse Pointe Blank. As was Tim the Enchanter, from The Holy Grail! Manky Scot git. Michael "what an eccentric performance" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:35:45 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Amusing list Eb wrote: > > Any other nominees? man, I can't believe this missed Mel Gibson in Braveheart. That was the most shite Scottish accent ever. Y'know that someone put up a hideous statue of Mel as Wallace at the Wallace Monument in Stirling, and it has to be kept in a cage to stop people vandalising it? Any screen-Scottish accent -- except for Mike Myers in "So I Married An Axe-Murderer" -- will be terrible. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:57:18 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Power nipples Eb: >>I'd probably drop the one-shotty 801, Derek & >>the Dominos, Gang of Four, George Harrison, Roy Wood, Television, >>Robert Fripp and Syd Barrett, along with John Cale (too many albums >>which I'm indifferent toward). Then I'd add Yes, Jethro Tull, the >>Residents, Tom Waits, the Raspberries, Badfinger, Cheap Trick, Graham >>Parker and Mott the Hoople. Even though none of those acts have >>individual 70s albums which thrill me quite so much. FWIW. That's interesting. At that point you're dropping a number of my essential '70's artists (Cale, Barrett, Television, Harrison) and adding a bunch to whom I'm relatively indifferent (Waits and Cheap Trick being the only Rex faves on that list) and a couple I actively dislike. Meanwhile your actual list was thoroughly palatable to me... the devil's in the details, huh? >>The Raspberries have less albums than Badfinger, and were served >>pretty well by that 20-song "Collectors Series" compilation from the >>early '90s -- though you're blowing it, if you have one of the >>crummier anthologies with fewer tracks I have the right one, at least. The kind of pop dork that I am actually treasures his compilation of everything by the Choir slightly more highly... really only four great tunes but I like all four better than the best Raspberries tunes. You're right about my Badfinger comp and that's probably the reason I think I don't need any more. As the power-pop of the '70's drifts closer to arena-rock the guitar tones start to reach a too-slick territory that is a little bothersome to me. My therapist is working with me on this issue, though. Sorry about the stone, dude. You're having the kind of year I had in '99... when halfway through I was like, fuck it, can I volunteer to be in a coma until January? ___ Mike G: >>I don't know anything about Wire; they are often mentioned on the >>Fireparty as well. I always assumed they were un unlistenable Slapp Happy >>- - Fred Frith sort of thing. Maybe I'm wrong? Ye gods! If there's a less wankery album than Pink Flag I've yet to hear it (unless it's Send)! You still might not like them, but it's angular art-punk. Sort of. Hard to explain, but there's reams of writing about them... check that out and proceed with caution. I'm with you on Steely Dan, though. ____ Top 10 Lousy Accents: Must agree, Kevin Costner is an egregious ommission here. I had him pegged for at least three of the top 10... - -Rex "too bad they didn't count TV roles or Dennis Hopper'd be a shoo-in for 24" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:58:59 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: Try Apathy Whaaaaaat? Maybe that is why some people don't vote. But it's not even remotely true. So let me see, the Supreme Court voted to preserve people's right to privacy because they were educated by Will & Grace? Thomas and Scalia, who Bush has clearly called the models for the kinds of justices he would appoint, voted against the right to privacy, If he appoints one or two more, that right as well as affirmative action would be gone. You can debate whether that's important, but there's no logic to saying that who the justices are (Thomas & Scalia - brought to us by Bush and Reagan or Bader-Ginsburg & Breyer by Clinton) doesn't matter because people can influence them through television or parades or high school clubs. A cursory look at the actions of the latest Bush and Clinton reveal gigantic differences both in what the promise and what they do. Clinton promised to bring down the deficit (partly by raising taxes on the top 1%), create Americorps, and hire 100,000 new police. He also appointed judges unremarkable for their ideology. Bush promised to cut taxes for the wealthiest and follow a strict supply-side philosophy no matter what. He has done just that and I'll take his word that he will appoint judges remarkable for their right wing ideology. SORRY TO BE POLITICAL. I'D BE REALLY RATHER NOT. Ken Iosso -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Gross [mailto:chrisg@gwu.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:50 AM To: Squidmaniax! Subject: Re: Reap (plus, CDR-burning issues) > A friend of mine posted something to his livejournal which i > absolutely loved: > http://www.livejournal.com/~nihilistic_kid/256946.html > > I haven't voted since I turned 21, because I felt that it didn't make > a difference. Nick's managed to say exactly why. The annoying part is that if I posted a reply to this, *I* would be the one seen as starting a political argument on the list. Meanwhile, at work I temporarily have access to a machine with a CD-burner and Windows 2000 Pro. A perfect opportunity to burn those thousands of mp3s I've downloaded at work, I thought. However, when I try, I get a CDR that my Windows NT machine at work can read, but my Mac at home (running OS 9.2) CAN'T read. The Mac thinks they're unformatted disks. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? Reply off-list, please. Thanks, Chris nnp: several GB of mp3s I only have on my computer at work ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:01:33 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Try Apathy >You can debate whether that's important, but there's no logic to saying that >who the justices are (Thomas & Scalia - brought to us by Bush and Reagan or >Bader-Ginsburg & Breyer by Clinton) doesn't matter because people can >influence them through television or parades or high school clubs. What I would rather see, frankly, is a Supreme Court that sticks to a strict interpretation of the Constitution, and not one that is influenced by television shows, parades, or high school clubs. That's their job after all, isn't it? To interpret the Constitutionality of laws, right? Not whether they fit into the mores of the moment. (And as an aside, I'm completely for their action last week. Morality and the practices in the bedroom aren't--last I checked--covered in the Constitution.) And Gephardt's comment last week about being more than willing to kill anything handed down by the Supreme Court with an executive order is just another reason not to vote for him. The Supreme Court wasn't brought into being to be listened to only when their decisions fall your way. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:03:24 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: Power nipples Bob Crane liked nipples. Alot. Just saw Auto Focus last night. What an interesting fellow. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: For the fegparents On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > I found this extremely heartening... am I alone? > > http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N25207895.htm I'm not a Fegparent, but if I can reply, no, I don't find it heartening. If anything, it seems potentially worrisome. Not the part about fewer teen mothers and more single moms; I'm fine with the latter and the former is indeed good news. But if the *total* birthrate decreases, while lifespans continue to increase, that could be a bad thing. Eventually we'd wind up with too few workers supporting too many retirees. (And no, immigration won't solve the problem by increasing the number of workers. Since immigrants, strangely enough, themselves grow old, in the long run the problem remains.) The best thing would probably be a birth rate holding steady near the replacement rate, combined with a gradual increase in retirement ages as people stay healthy longer. Fortunately, the US lately has had a nearly stable birthrate plus lots of immigration, so a small decrease in birthrates may not lead to problems. It's countries like Russia or Italy, whose birthrates have fallen to half the replacement rate, who are in big trouble. In a few decades, these places are going to have social and economic problems different from, but just as severe as, countries with serious OVERpopulation. On a more immediate level, I wouldn't count on class sizes going anytime soon. More likely school budgets will go down, and class sizes will *increase*. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Groove Puppy Subject: Re: Amusing list Eb Sed > Empire magazine recently published its top 10 worst > movie accents of all time: > > 1. Sean Connery in The Untouchables (1987) [and won > the Oscar!] That would be "Sir Sean" to you young man. Besides, which movie would you pick? "Untouchables" (Irish), "Red October" (Russian), "Highlander" (Spanish), "Name of the Rose" (English?), "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" (English), "Robin and Marian" (English), "IJ Last Crusade" (American), .... Sean is only ever hired to do Sean. In Goldfinger there was Pussy Galore. You want accents? Hire an actor. > 2. Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins (1964) Well blow me Mary Poppins (H) np - PUSA "Freaked Out And Small" ===== CHUCKHOLE All that great punk rock taste with only half the calories. http://clix.to/chuckhole http://www.mp3.com/chuckhole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:44:36 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Amusing list Another thing that was missed in Braveheart, the bridge durring the battle of Sterling Bridge! Mel was also too short for the role, as Wallace was a very tall man according to all reports. Liam Neeson would have made a better Wallace, although he was probably making Rob Roy at the time. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: Stewart C. Russell [mailto:scruss@sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:36 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Amusing list Eb wrote: > > Any other nominees? man, I can't believe this missed Mel Gibson in Braveheart. That was the most shite Scottish accent ever. Y'know that someone put up a hideous statue of Mel as Wallace at the Wallace Monument in Stirling, and it has to be kept in a cage to stop people vandalising it? Any screen-Scottish accent -- except for Mike Myers in "So I Married An Axe-Murderer" -- will be terrible. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:55:55 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: RE: Amusing list Michael.Bachman wrote: > > Liam Neeson would have made a better Wallace, > although he was probably making > Rob Roy at the time. Jean Reno would have been better yet. Wallace probably spoke better French than English, if you can call what was spoken back then either of those languages. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: Amusing list On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Another thing that was missed in Braveheart, the bridge durring > the battle of Sterling Bridge! Mel was also too short for the > role, as Wallace was a very tall man according to all reports. > Liam Neeson would have made a better Wallace, although he was > probably making Rob Roy at the time. A script that intersected historical reality at a few more places would have been better, too. - --Chris "William Wallace never wore a kilt" the Historister ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:00:27 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Ahoy, me Beefhearties > - Mike Godwin >n.p. 'The Pigworker' live at the Astoria (Hi, crowbar joe!) Hello Godders! I can reply in kind (sort of) as I've just read yet *another* script incorporating Monstah MC Frank N Stein, Percy B, Rappin' Rochdale and Missy Mary. When will writers stop stumbling over this done-to-death territory. Godders Sr gets a mention, natch. Just got the new Magic Band CD, Back To The Front. Souped-up rehearsal tapes for the recent shows, and I think it's mighty good; with John Drumbo French paying homage, but bringing something just a little bit new on vox. np - Ode To John Fahey - David Viner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:16:21 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Power nipples >That's interesting. At that point you're dropping a number of my essential >'70's artists (Cale, Barrett, Television, Harrison) and adding a bunch to >whom I'm relatively indifferent (Waits and Cheap Trick being the only Rex >faves on that list) and a couple I actively dislike. How many George Harrison albums do you consider "essential"? All Things Must Pass is still the most recent GH album I own (!), not counting a copy of Living in the Material World in my discard boxes. >The kind of pop dork that I am actually >treasures his compilation of everything by the Choir slightly more highly... >really only four great tunes but I like all four better than the best >Raspberries tunes. Huh...I don't think I've even heard anything by the Choir, though I'm familiar with the geneology. BTW, I forgot to mention the original Iveys album in my Badfinger spew...that's worthwhile too, though about seven songs overlap with Magic Christian Music and the arrangements are fruitier. > man, I can't believe this missed Mel Gibson in Braveheart. > That was the most shite Scottish accent ever. You've obviously never seen the smug delight which Jay Leno takes in butchering a Scottish accent, any chance he gets. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:26:49 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Rexor doesn't think Luxor suxor anything Luxor: I'm actually really enjoying it. Perhaps it helps that the wife and kids are out of town, and I managed to make the car I get to drive this week somewhat CD-compatible, and I've thus had more time to listen properly than I normally would, but either way I'm pretty happy with this record. I wouldn't say it attains the heights of either Trains or Eye, but it beats both Invisible Hitchcock or You & Oblivion on a few counts-- one being that it's got nothing wretched on it, and the other being that it's compact enough to absorb. And I'm already playing it more than either Sophia or Bram (a consistent tone really helps). Fears of domestic-bliss-sappiness are undercut by the lines "like an adult it protects you/like an adult it can rape you" right out of the box, and hell, right there in "One L" it turns out that "death is all around us like a swarm of bees". So there's that. Not that I'm averse to domestic idylls. If anything this reminds me of possibly my favorite Kristin Hersh solo record "Strange Angels" (with which it shares the phrase "wired for sound" used incongruously in a relationship song)... lilting, spare, essentially upbeat but not by any stretch devoid of difficult or even disturbing imagery. In fact, in the 2003 stark acoustic Drakey records sweepstakes, this one's hooked my attention more than Hersh's "The Grotto", for what that's worth. Terrific playing, too. My favorite stretch at this point is "The Idea of You", "Luxor" and the beginning of "Keep Finding Me". The latter doesn't quite develop its initial promise, but there's enough good stuff in the latter half to pick up the slack. The rootsier stuff is indeed a bit more sincere-soundng than usual (within a Robynesque framework) and "Solpadeine" is a great finale. So, not classic but hardly a career nadir in my book. File under "water". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:29:01 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Luxor reduxor In my review just now I wrote "The Idea of You" where I meant "You Remind Me of You". Please substitute and reprocess. Thanks. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:43:29 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: Amusing list "On the contrary an incredible accent I thought was Minnie Driver in Grosse Pointe Blank. - - -Ken" Speaking of accents, what about Christopher Guest in Best in Show? Did anyone else think that his character would be nicely matched with the lesbian character (not sure of her name)? They had such a nice chat about dogs, and he didn't have any clue that she was gay... Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:37:07 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: p*litical singers/accent grave >> >> > Anyone wanna list their top 40 politicians of the >> '70s? >> > >> >>How about "best records made by once or future elected >> office-holders"? Did >> >>that guy from the Smithereens ever get elected to >> anything in New Jersey? >> >> and did Peter Garrett ever get into the Aussie senate for >> that matter > >I think all we have is Sonny Bono, who does at least >deserve credit for co-writing "Needles and Pins." Hm. Does "office holders" include being leader of a party? If so, there's Screaming Lord Sutch. NZ had Marilyn Waring, possibly the only MP to record while an MP (a cover of "Working Class Hero", no less, and bloody horrible it was). Greece has parliamentarian Nana Mouskouri, I suppose. ISTR reading a novel set in the near future that mentioned Irish President Hewson (i.e., Bono), but can't for the life of me remember what it was. Anyone any idea? - --- >>>Soccer parents (well, a lot of them) make Southern Baptists >>>look moderate and open-minded. It's only a sport -- all >>>preferences are aesthetic in nature. > >[...] However, >James, you shouldn't underestimate how hardcore parents are about every >*other* high school sport in the US. not me this time Rex - note the double arrowheads. - --- >1. Sean Connery in The Untouchables (1987) [and won the Oscar!] >2. Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins (1964) >3. Brad Pitt in Seven Years In Tibet (1997). >4. Charlton Heston in Touch Of Evil (1958). >5. Heather Graham in From Hell (2001). >6. Keanu Reeves in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992). >7. Julia Roberts in Mary Reilly (1996). >8. Laurence Olivier in The Jazz Singer (1980). >9. Pete Postlethwaite in The Usual Suspects (1995). >10. Meryl Streep in Out Of Africa (1985). > >Ha. > >Any other nominees? A group award for the cast of Highlander. A Frenchman playing an Americanised Scot, and a Scotsman playing an Egyptian-Spaniard who had lived in Japan (yup, Connery again). I think Postlethwaite's problem was he thought he was playing a Pakistani with a Japanese name. Meryl Streep's Australian accent in "Evil Angels" was pretty vile. (Also, almost anyone from the UK or US who tries to do a NZ accent always comes off sounding Australian). Also, one of the sillier reviews I've seen was an American one complaining of Ralph Fiennes's accent playing an upper-class Englishman. Considering his blood is about as blue as you get in the acting world (being cousin of the Baron Saye and Sele), he does 'the accent' pretty well. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: p*litical singers/accent grave James Dignan wrote: > >9. Pete Postlethwaite in The Usual Suspects (1995). > I think Postlethwaite's problem was he thought he was > playing a Pakistani with a Japanese name. Do we even know what ethnicity Postlethwaite was supposed to be playing? After all, as Chaz Palminteri figures everything out at the end, we see that Kobayashi is the mug manufacturer (right? or was it something else), not the character's actual name. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:44:48 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Power nipples Eb wrote: > > You've obviously never seen the smug delight which Jay Leno takes in > butchering a Scottish accent, any chance he gets. you bet your bum I haven't. Jay Leno, from what I've heard, is one of the very good reasons not to have a television. Mind you, my sister, in her am-dram days, totally slaughtered the generic American accent when she was in "Oklahoma!". Let's just say her accent was somewhere between New York and Louisiana. but not confined to any one place. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:20:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: bad accent I can think of two, and both were an attempt at the same accent. Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting and Rob Morrow in Quiz Show. No one can do a Boston accent if he/she is not native. No one. I'm not a native. I can do individual sentences and I can say the word "mine" so that it has two syllables and I can say "popcorn" so it sounds like "pupkahn" and I can say "potato" so it sounds like "bedayta" BUT I can't sustain it. When I saw Good Will Hunting, the whole audience gasped when Robin Williams said "Baahston" instead of "Bawston." A self-respecting Bostonian only says "bah" if there is an "r" involved. That's why "dollar" becomes "dawlah." Yes, it's hard to do but it's wicked pissah when it's right (as in Matt Damon and Ben Affleck in GWH). Back me up on this Ken(s). Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:35:11 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bad accent On Mon, Jun 30, 2003, Jill Brand wrote: > I can think of two, and both were an attempt at the same accent. Robin > Williams in Good Will Hunting and Rob Morrow in Quiz Show. No one can do a > Boston accent if he/she is not native. No one. I'm not a native. I can > do individual sentences and I can say the word "mine" so that it has two > syllables and I can say "popcorn" so it sounds like "pupkahn" and I can > say "potato" so it sounds like "bedayta" BUT I can't sustain it. When I > saw Good Will Hunting, the whole audience gasped when Robin Williams said > "Baahston" instead of "Bawston." A self-respecting Bostonian only says > "bah" if there is an "r" involved. That's why "dollar" becomes "dawlah." > Yes, it's hard to do but it's wicked pissah when it's right (as in Matt > Damon and Ben Affleck in GWH). Back me up on this Ken(s). Yeah, I can do a good Boston accent, but since I'm from NY, I can't sustain it. A friend of mine in Salem grew up in Salem but had a very flat accent. I once asked her why she didn't have a Boston accent and she said, "Because I'm educated." Ouch. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #247 ********************************