From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #243 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 27 2003 Volume 12 : Number 243 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: 40 from the 70s ["Iosso, Ken" ] Jazz Goth Prog Explosion ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Jazz Goth Prog Explosion ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Screaming Trees ["Terrence Marks" ] Re: Reap [Tom Clark ] Fat guitar sounds etc. ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Reap ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] RE: Naff [Eb ] More tallying... ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Guitar in crotchville ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: Curiouser & Curiouser! [Catherine Simpson ] Re: Guitar in crotchville [Tom Clark ] RE: 40/70s, gothism [Catherine Simpson ] Re: Fat guitar sounds etc. [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: Four big digests in one day??? [Catherine Simpson ] Yes, but what am I wearing right now? ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Reap [Capuchin ] Re: Guitar in crotchville ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Crotch in exileville ["Jason R. Thornton" ] anyone read Italian? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:07:30 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: 40 from the 70s Eb: Surprised to see Led Zeppelin, Patti Smith and Roxy Music that far down the list. And surprised to see Big Star, the Stooges and Television so high. I would have predicted Bowie at #1 before the thread even began, though. >Not so surprised that [Can of Bees is] second as much as I'm >surprised it only showed >on 11 of the 21 lists considering the source. Also surprised that it >showed on so few considering the single artist limitation Me: I think the reason Led Zep and Roxy Music are so far down and Television and Stooges and Big Star are so high is because the last three had so few albums in the 70s. Television had 2, Big Star had 3, and the Stooges had 2 and those few were so damned cohesive and great. Led Zep had 7, some of which sucked and many of which don't seem so world-changing as the others. Patti Smith's Horses would seem like it would be up there with the others but she has not had the kind of adoring explosion of love as Big Star and Nick Drake, partly because she doesn't seem so romantic. Underwater Moonlight would be on every single list if we included 1980. Ken Iosso -----Original Message----- From: Eb [mailto:ElBroome@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:25 PM To: fgz Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s >JDignan: >one band I'd like to see some mention of here in discussions is the >appealing prog/grunge mix of Screaming Trees. Any other fans on the list? Sure...I've liked them ever since their ultra-rare debut album, which I still have on a homemade tape (wish I had *bought* a copy, darn it - -- it would be worth $$$). >I wanna destroy you. Check. Goths don't say "wanna." Punk, not goth. >Jeme: >OK, here's the top 36 album recording artists of the 70s according to fegs >who care: >(15) Talking Heads >(15) David Bowie >(15) Big Star >(14) The Rolling Stones >(14) The Clash >(14) Television >(13) The Who >(13) Lou Reed >(12) Neil Young (& Crazy Horse) >(12) John Lennon >(12) Iggy Pop (& The Stooges) >(12) Elvis Costello >(12) Bob Dylan >(11) The Soft Boys >(11) The Sex Pistols >(11) The Ramones >(11) Syd Barrett >(11) Brian Eno >(10) Pink Floyd >( 9) Roxy Music >( 9) Nick Drake >( 9) Led Zeppelin >( 9) Velvet Underground >( 8) The Modern Lovers >( 8) Peter Gabriel >( 8) Patti Smith >( 8) John Cale >( 8) George Harrison >( 7) XTC >( 7) Wire >( 7) The Kinks >( 7) The Jam >( 7) The Buzzcocks >( 7) Joni Mitchell >( 7) Genesis >( 7) Frank Zappa (& The Mothers Of Invention) OK...now, THOSE results seem more definitive (well, as definitive as a poll of 21 out of however-many can be). And I have albums by every one of those acts, save two. Surprised to see Led Zeppelin, Patti Smith and Roxy Music that far down the list. And surprised to see Big Star, the Stooges and Television so high. I would have predicted Bowie at #1 before the thread even began, though. >Not so surprised that [Can of Bees is] second as much as I'm >surprised it only showed >on 11 of the 21 lists considering the source. Also surprised that it >showed on so few considering the single artist limitation It was those damn Blue Oyster Cult votes. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:12:19 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Jazz Goth Prog Explosion Eb: >>The Jazz Butcher "Fishcotheque" >>Isn't it amazing how far this guy has fallen into obscurity? He was >>quite popular at the time on the college-rock circuit (prior to RH >>signing with A&M, I would have rated him about equal to Hitchcock in >>popularity), and he released a *lot* of albums. I'd never heard of him (or at least that I recall) until maybe the mid '90's. I think it was the small town thing and the fact that my main outlet for college rock was 120 Minutes as opposed to a college radio station. Don't recall any Jazz Butcher videos. Blatzman fronted me two self-compiled Jazz Butcher discs recently and they've been a real joy to discover. Oh, and I was crediting your '70's list thread and Catherine's goth thang for upping the interest level of the list lately... thus the "props". Really shouldn't use that word, though... I admit it. _____ James: >> a pretty sizeable ambient/industrial/illbient collection Hey, haven't seen that last genre namechecked for a while. One thing I notice about your list of "Gothy" Robyn titles... they're almost all in the class of his "funny" songs... to me, at least. >>one band I'd like to see some mention of here in discussions is the >>appealing prog/grunge mix of Screaming Trees. I like some of their tunes okay, not surprisingly the more Crazy Horsey ones. I have one record but never got into as an album and don't remember it that well. Maybe I blocked out the prog aspect and that's why. >>is the album "Fall in a hole (Live in Auckland)" known much outside NZ? It's available, and on CD in the US. As are about 10,000 other lo-fi, hideously packaged and probably interchangeable live sets from over the years. >>BTW, does anyone else here think that Warren Zevon's "Carmelita" ripped >>off the melody of Desolation Row? Yes. But I love it anyway. Oh, and I'll raise my hand as having gone to one of the Bauhaus reunion shows in LA as well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:22:49 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Jazz Goth Prog Explosion At 10:12 AM 6/27/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >Oh, and I'll raise my hand as having gone to one of the Bauhaus reunion >shows in LA as well. I attended two of the Bauhaus reunion shows, one in San Diego and the other at UC Irvine, and I've seen Love & Rockets three times, Peter Murphy four times, and both Daniel Ash and David J once each. I also chatted briefly with and took a whiz next to David J at an Azure Ray show here in San Diego, hung out with one of Daniel Ash's roadies and some girls after he swiped some beers from Ash's tour bus for us, and I swear that Peter Murphy was hitting on me at a record signing at Newbury Comics in Boston. And I'm still not goth. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:09:08 -0400 From: "Terrence Marks" Subject: RE: Screaming Trees >one band I'd like to see some mention of here in discussions is the >appealing prog/grunge mix of Screaming Trees. Any other fans on the list? Oddly, The Purple Outside, Gary Lee Connor's solo project, is one of my favourite bands. All of the Screaming Trees stuff I've ever heard, though, has left me fairly unimpressed, though. The Purple Outside is more of a psych/grunge kind of thing, which may explain it. Terrence Marks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:44:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Reap on 6/26/03 7:58 PM, Jeff Dwarf at munki1972@yahoo.com wrote: > Maximilian Lang wrote: > >> Strom Thurmond. > > there's the evil third! The paper this morning had the secondary headline (what do they call that, anyway?) of "outlived segregation". I immediately thought "yeah, against his best efforts!" - -tc nw - Jason Robards overacting in "The St. Valentines Day Massacre" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:06:21 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Fat guitar sounds etc. Eb: >>Surprised to see Led Zeppelin, Patti Smith and Roxy Music that far >>down the list. And surprised to see Big Star, the Stooges and >>Television so high. The Led Zep placement doesn't surprise me, but Patti & Roxy, yeah. I'd also thought everyone had Wire on their lists but apparently not. Television were benificiaries of the one-artist rule, I think. Once you've represented all your favorite artists you get to the point of great albums and most everyone agrees Television made one (all but one of those votes being for one album). Same might be said for the Pistols and Modern Lovers. _______ Jeff D: >>and SP's connection (to Nirvana) was always chronological and via Courtney >>Love's anatomy. It's ludicrous that they are always thought of together, but >>it's also a fair accompli at this point. It's also Rock Orthodoxy. The Pumpkins were the next big "ambitious" rock band to become really popular after the initial grunge thing, and thus much ink was spilled over them and all of it referenced Nirvana & Pearl Jam. Of course Corgan did nothing to discourage that and one wonders of hooking up with Courtney wasn't, on some level, a way of cultivating that image. That's when I realized that I'd parted ways with Rock As Most People Know It... when a band regarded as important and classic was less than ehhh to me. The ascent of Radiohead consolidated that process. I mean... they're okay... but, seriously, the best rock band in the world? ___ Jeme: >>Pearl Jam,Soundgarden, and Nirvana were definitely of a particular indy-ish >>hard rock place that wasn't widely available at the time so the fans pretty >>much HAD to overlap in order to get something like a fix. There just >>weren't enough imitators to flesh out the sub-genre spectrum. Well... firstly, I don't hear anything indie-ish about Pearl Jam's debut. Secondly... the Pixies still existed. And there was a LOT of stuff like that around, really, that didn't break through like those bands. Dinosaur Jr, Buffalo Tom, Bob Mould and then Sugar, Teenage Fanclub, the aforementioned Screaming Trees, fIREHOSE, Lemonheads, even Sonic Youth, and tons more. Even some "shoegazer" records were pretty loud but I don't want to mention Swervedriver again (ooops). "Nevermind" was just one of several records in that genre that year, and I liked two or three of the others better at the time. >>and maybe next year we can do the 80s... or do we not have enough >>emotional distance yet? On this list, that simply may never happen. ____ Hey, it's that Tom Ze song with the weird babbling cartoon voice in the background. ___ Marc on Screaming Trees: >>I'm guessing that part of the problem is that they weren't very photogenic, >>which can be a bit of a problem in the video era. Heh. More than once I read reviews which compared their guitarist to D. Boon. And, look... the Trees sounded nothing like the minutemen, especially in the guitar department. The comparison was based exclusively on the players' *weight*. Pretty rude. >>I never did recover the guitar they took--a black 1950's Silvertone >>hollow-body electric with a Bigsby tremolo. Ugh, that's just awful. Very sorry about that. - -Rex "I've Got A Luxor and I'm Going to Use It" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:55:04 -0700 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Reap Tom Clark: > on 6/26/03 7:58 PM, Jeff Dwarf at munki1972@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Maximilian Lang wrote: > > > >> Strom Thurmond. > > > > there's the evil third! > > The paper this morning had the secondary headline (what do they call that, > anyway?) of "outlived segregation". I immediately thought "yeah, against > his best efforts!" When heard that Strom died last night my first thought was that he couldn't bear to live in a world where sodomy was legal in South Carolina.\ Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:56:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Naff >Godwin: >PPS The reason my list had BOC rather than CofB on it is that I knew >nothing at all about the Soft Boys in the 70s. I discovered the Egyptians >in 1986 and worked backwards. There wasn't any requirement about the list being what you listened to *during the '70s*. Heck, if we had done that, my list would have touted UFO, Queen, Van Halen...even RUSH! And actually, beyond the Beatles and Wings Over America, I was mostly buying 45's. :) Rex: >Don't recall any Jazz Butcher videos. Nor I. On the other hand, I'm not sure if I've ever seen a Hitchcock video either. Couldn't even say how many he has made. Vague memory of *maybe* seeing one for "Madonna of the Wasps"? Speaking of the '70s...perhaps this is on the Hitchcock site anyway, but this came as part of a Matador press release today: - --- Robyn Hitchcock communicates with Us, and by extension, you: "I'm playing a selection of naff 70's hits on Friday 18th of July at the Clerkenwell Festival. The band stars Kimberley and Morris as well as Terry Edwards and Paul Noble, whose birthday it is. "On August 9th I'm playing solo at the Eden festival on Arrowe Hill, in the Wirral, near Liverpool. "LUXOR, my new album is available from the Museum of Robyn Hitchcock at robynhitchcock.com, or from Vital distribution." - --- Maybe Hitchcock's setlist will be drawn from recent Feglist digests. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:21:21 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: More tallying... I come up with 134 of the feg-approved '70's titles in my collection, although I may be behind on the revisions of the list. Just noticed Burrito Deluxe... I had it down as 1969 or else that probably woulda made the grade, inferior as it is to the debut. We ruled single artist comps okay as long as it was all '70 material (Singles Going Steady clause), right? Special View sort of fits that criteria as well... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Reap Tom Clark wrote: > Jeff Dwarf at munki1972@yahoo.com wrote: > > Maximilian Lang wrote: > > > >> Strom Thurmond. > > > > there's the evil third! > > The paper this morning had the secondary headline (what > do they call that, anyway?) of "outlived segregation". > I immediately thought "yeah, against his best efforts!" You know you're dealing with a rat bastard scumwad when about the only "tribute" to the man you can find in his obits is that he _was_ opposed to lynchings. So at least he disapproved of killing black people as a means of entertainment. > > -tc > > nw - Jason Robards overacting in "The St. Valentines Day Massacre" ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Reap "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" wrote: > When heard that Strom died last night my first thought > was that he couldn't bear to live in a world where sodomy > was legal in South Carolina.\ Or in a world without Lester Maddox (stolen from one of my co-workers this morning, whose husband said it last night). ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:23:27 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Guitar in crotchville I picked up the new Liz Phair CD after having lunch with Kathy in Center City Philadelphia. I popped it in when I got in my car at the train station. Man....I guess she can still write songs but I don't know that I will ever listen to it. The production is too clinical, someone mentioned Avril, I think it is Avril singing! I hope the free online EP offers something more down to earth. Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:32:35 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Curiouser & Curiouser! Rex lamented: >>It would be putting it mildly to >>say I have no sense of style whatsoever. Aw, c'mon Rex, that's not true. You have great hair ;) Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:38:45 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Guitar in crotchville on 6/27/03 11:23 AM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > I picked up the new Liz Phair CD after having lunch with Kathy in Center > City Philadelphia. I popped it in when I got in my car at the train > station. Man....I guess she can still write songs but I don't know that I > will ever listen to it. The production is too clinical, someone mentioned > Avril, I think it is Avril singing! I hope the free online EP offers > something more down to earth. > > There's an article on Liz in the latest Time magazine. Talks about her really wanting to have a summer chart topper (maybe she should ring up Mr. Rew?). She got together with a songwriting trio that call themselves "The Matrix", who coincidentally worked with Avril - go figure. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:38:54 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: 40/70s, gothism James Dignan said: >>"...if anyone was able to take up the mantle of Hendrix, Prince was - for a >>while, back before all the name changes." And here again, don't like Hendrix, LOVED early Prince... Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Fat guitar sounds etc. "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Eb: > >>Surprised to see Led Zeppelin, Patti Smith and Roxy > Music that far > >>down the list. And surprised to see Big Star, the > Stooges and > >>Television so high. > > The Led Zep placement doesn't surprise me, but Patti & > Roxy, yeah. I'd also thought everyone had Wire on their > lists but apparently not. Pink Flag was the last thing I cut off my list; it came down to that, Horses, or Modern Lovers. _______ > > Jeff D: > >>and SP's connection (to Nirvana) was always > >>chronological and via Courtney Love's anatomy. It's > >>ludicrous that they are always thought of together, > >>but it's also a fair accompli at this point. > > It's also Rock Orthodoxy. The Pumpkins were the next big > "ambitious" rock band to become really popular after the > initial grunge thing, and thus much ink was spilled over > them and all of it referenced Nirvana & Pearl Jam. Of > course Corgan did nothing to discourage that and one > wonders of hooking up with Courtney wasn't, on some > level, a way of cultivating that image. Well, given that Corgan dated Courtney BEFORE she was married to Kurt, that last parts a bit implausible (supposedly, Courtney first fucked Kurt to get back at Billy, who had dumped her that night, but that's very apocryphal; she also then praised Billy's anatomy to the NME or some simular rag to get back at Kurt for something in early 1994). Also, Siamese Dream was co-produced by Butch Vig (as was Gish, for that matter), so that gave another connection to Nirvana (and Alan Moulder mixing SD and then co-produced MC&TIS with Corgan and Flood gave the Pumpkins a direct link to the shoegazers as well). I had forgotten, but remembered last night, that they had put out a single as part of the Sub Pop singles club ("Tristessa"; still one of their better songs AFAIC) so the connections are more substantial than I was remembering though still fairly tenuous. The Pumpkins were closer to being bastard lovechild of The Cure and Jane's Addiction if anything. > ___ > > Jeme: > >>Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Nirvana were definitely of a > >>particular indy-ish hard rock place that wasn't > >>widely available at the time so the fans pretty > >>much HAD to overlap in order to get something like a > >>fix. There just weren't enough imitators to flesh out > >>the sub-genre spectrum. > > Well... firstly, I don't hear anything indie-ish about > Pearl Jam's debut. > > Secondly... the Pixies still existed. And there was a > LOT of stuff like that around, really, that didn't break > through like those bands. Dinosaur Jr, Buffalo Tom, Bob > Mould and then Sugar, Teenage Fanclub, the > aforementioned Screaming Trees, fIREHOSE, Lemonheads, > even Sonic Youth, and tons more. Even some "shoegazer" > records were pretty loud but I don't want to mention > Swervedriver again (ooops). Every single artist above is far closer to Nirvana to my ears than Pearl Jam or Soundgarden (though Dippy Dando was about to lose his fuzzbox pretty much for good -- but he was still closer even then). ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:48:04 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Four big digests in one day??? Another one from James: >>I have written a couple of goth songs, notably "Everything you dream", >>which started off sounding like the Sisters of Mercy meets Shriekback. Just brought to mind something funny, since you mentioned Shriekback: my 4 year old son says his favorite song is Shriekback's "Nemesis" - he always askes me to bring the CD in the car, and goes around the house all the time singing "Big black Nemesis,a-pot-o-genesis (he can't pronounce "parthenogenesis") everybody happy as the dead come home!". He told me the other day that he sang it for his preschool teacher, and she said it was "interesting" and asked if his parents knew he was singing a song about dead people - that's my boy! - - Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:07:43 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Yes, but what am I wearing right now? Catherine: >>Aw, c'mon Rex, that's not true. You have great hair ;) You should see what my older daughter came up with... same stuff as me but it goes all ringletty at the nape of her neck. Damn, she's a good-lookin' child. I'm in for a world of hurt, huh? The younger one looks to be getting mommy's hair... we're expecting full-on curly from her. Good stuff, too. - -Rex, missing all three of his women (they're up north with Grandma) np. a really great live set by Eels that I'm surprised to be enjoying as much as I am nw. jeans and a baggy athletic-grey t-shirt from a Mongolian bar-b-q place ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:57:03 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Jazz Goth Prog Explosion Jason said: >>I attended two of the Bauhaus reunion shows, one in San Diego and the other >>at UC Irvine, and I've seen Love & Rockets three times, Peter Murphy four >>times, and both Daniel Ash and David J once each. I also chatted briefly >>with and took a whiz next to David J at an Azure Ray show here in San >>Diego, hung out with one of Daniel Ash's roadies and some girls after he >>swiped some beers from Ash's tour bus for us, and I swear that Peter Murphy >>was hitting on me at a record signing at Newbury Comics in Boston. I wish I'd gone to two of the reunion shows, but I was pregnant at the time, and thought that 1 was pushing it a little... at last count, I've seen L&R 3 times, and Peter Murphy twice - did anyone else happen to catch one of his more recent shows on his tour supporting "Dust"? It had been 10 years since I'd last seen him (solo) live, and although I found the balding pate a bit distracting, I thought he'd actually gotten *better* than he used to be (which is saying something, since I really, really love his music). Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Reap On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > When heard that Strom died last night my first thought was that he > couldn't bear to live in a world where sodomy was legal in South > Carolina.\ I thought he was just hanging on to outlive that sumbitch Lester. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:27:39 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Guitar in crotchville >From: Tom Clark >Subject: Re: Guitar in crotchville >Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:38:45 -0700 >on 6/27/03 11:23 AM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > > I picked up the new Liz Phair CD after having lunch with Kathy in Center > > City Philadelphia. I popped it in when I got in my car at the train > > station. Man....I guess she can still write songs but I don't know that >I > > will ever listen to it. The production is too clinical, someone >mentioned > > Avril, I think it is Avril singing! I hope the free online EP offers > > something more down to earth. >There's an article on Liz in the latest Time magazine. Talks about her >really wanting to have a summer chart topper (maybe she should ring up Mr. >Rew?). She got together with a songwriting trio that call themselves "The >Matrix", who coincidentally worked with Avril - go figure. Yeah, well I listened to the online EP and think it is really great, go figure. It has cover art available on the site but it is not really user friendly to burn it onto a disc, it is one large asf file that you have to go through a few things to even get to. I assume it is the remaineder of the Michael Penn produced tracks, it sure sounds liioe his style. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:08:41 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Crotch in exileville At 03:27 PM 6/27/2003 -0400, Maximilian Lang wrote: >Yeah, well I listened to the online EP and think it is really great, go >figure. It has cover art available on the site but it is not really user >friendly to burn it onto a disc, it is one large asf file that you have to >go through a few things to even get to. I assume it is the remaineder of >the Michael Penn produced tracks, it sure sounds liioe his style. So, where exactly is this online EP? Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:31:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: anyone read Italian? No reply over at Loudfans...anyone here? - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:05:25 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: where they sleep better knowing stuff Subject: Kurt Heasley in a spandex mini-skirt Okay, so the new Lilys is growing on me. I was unpersuaded at first - I kept wondering why he apparently left half the tracks off of the songs - but the sparer sound, I think, works pretty well. And it's typical for me to have Lilys stuff grow slowly for me...the hooks take a while, but they tend to go deeper for all that. But what I'm really wondering - and shhh! nobody tell Mark Staples! - is what the graphic and cryptic phrase on the cover is all about. There appear to be tents, and flags, and the phrase "salix nonis." Google brings up one page - in Italian, and it appears to be about Masonic hoo-hah. Here's a bad translation (from babelfish at altavista.com): Salix Nonis Tengu This group of three words appears to XXV the Degree is for l?Apertura, is for the Closing. The rituale of from two explanations. Before it is introduced under shape of a oracolo or of a profezia, much imprecisa in its syntactic shape, and the second one asserts that these three words mean the?Riunione of the Tests Siblings that were until then separate to you. The nine first letters correspond to stretch that they mark to the fields of the different Degrees. These stretch carry equally of the names, but simple correspondence between these names does not seem is to us one and the letters. The five last ones designate the orifiamma. Traditionally, is interpreted Salix Nonis Tengu like l?anagramma of Lux Inens Agit Nos, that it means, literally?la inner Light makes us to act? and, traditionally?la Light that is in we guide. Here's the Italian (if anyone knows the language, feel free to provide a better translation): Salix Nonis Tengu Questo gruppo di tre parole compare al XXV Grado sia per lApertura, sia per la Chiusura. Il rituale ne da due spiegazioni. La prima si presenta sotto forma di un oracolo o di una profezia, assai imprecisa nella sua forma sintattica, e la seconda afferma che queste tre parole significano la Riunione dei Saggi Fratelli che erano fino allora separati. Le nove prime lettere corrispondono alle tende che marcano i campi dei differenti Gradi. Queste tende portano ugualmente dei nomi, ma non sembra esserci una semplice corrispondenza tra questi nomi e le lettere. Le cinque ultime designano gli orifiamma. Tradizionalmente, si interpreta Salix Nonis Tengu come lanagramma di Lux Inens Agit Nos, che significa, letteralmente, la Luce interiore ci fa agire e, tradizionalmente la Luce che h in noi ci guida. - -------- Hmmm...betcha those lyrical references to "Mystery School" have something to do with all this... ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "am I being self-referential?" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #243 ********************************