From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #242 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 27 2003 Volume 12 : Number 242 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 40 from the 70s [Eb ] Reap ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Stuff [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: wheeze wheeze [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: 40 from the 70s [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Reap [Capuchin ] Re: 40 from the 70s (2.5% RH content) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: The Goth Queen Walks Among Us [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: 40 from the 70s [Eb ] "70s Poll" [Eb ] Yardbirds ["Marc Holden" ] Screaming Trees ["Marc Holden" ] re: rex plectra [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Screaming Trees [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RE: wheeze wheeze [Michael R Godwin ] Re: that 70s list [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #241 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Goth 'n' Robyn ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: Goth 'n' Robyn [Ken Weingold ] 800-number isp's? [bayard ] RE: another list [Michael R Godwin ] Re: All Goth. No Thoth [Groove Puppy ] Re: All Goth. No Thoth [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:24:39 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s >JDignan: >one band I'd like to see some mention of here in discussions is the >appealing prog/grunge mix of Screaming Trees. Any other fans on the list? Sure...I've liked them ever since their ultra-rare debut album, which I still have on a homemade tape (wish I had *bought* a copy, darn it - -- it would be worth $$$). >I wanna destroy you. Check. Goths don't say "wanna." Punk, not goth. >Jeme: >OK, here's the top 36 album recording artists of the 70s according to fegs >who care: >(15) Talking Heads >(15) David Bowie >(15) Big Star >(14) The Rolling Stones >(14) The Clash >(14) Television >(13) The Who >(13) Lou Reed >(12) Neil Young (& Crazy Horse) >(12) John Lennon >(12) Iggy Pop (& The Stooges) >(12) Elvis Costello >(12) Bob Dylan >(11) The Soft Boys >(11) The Sex Pistols >(11) The Ramones >(11) Syd Barrett >(11) Brian Eno >(10) Pink Floyd >( 9) Roxy Music >( 9) Nick Drake >( 9) Led Zeppelin >( 9) Velvet Underground >( 8) The Modern Lovers >( 8) Peter Gabriel >( 8) Patti Smith >( 8) John Cale >( 8) George Harrison >( 7) XTC >( 7) Wire >( 7) The Kinks >( 7) The Jam >( 7) The Buzzcocks >( 7) Joni Mitchell >( 7) Genesis >( 7) Frank Zappa (& The Mothers Of Invention) OK...now, THOSE results seem more definitive (well, as definitive as a poll of 21 out of however-many can be). And I have albums by every one of those acts, save two. Surprised to see Led Zeppelin, Patti Smith and Roxy Music that far down the list. And surprised to see Big Star, the Stooges and Television so high. I would have predicted Bowie at #1 before the thread even began, though. >Not so surprised that [Can of Bees is] second as much as I'm >surprised it only showed >on 11 of the 21 lists considering the source. Also surprised that it >showed on so few considering the single artist limitation It was those damn Blue Oyster Cult votes. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:47:56 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Reap Strom Thurmond. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Reap Maximilian Lang wrote: > Strom Thurmond. there's the evil third! ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Stuff Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > > Why on earth do people think Live sound like R.E.M.? > > It's even more ludicrous than the Hendrix/Kravitz > > comparison I think. It's like those hideous vermin kept > > saying they were a lot like R.E.M. so much that people > > just gave in and stopped arguing with them. > > Agreed - Live is much more like the annoying younger > brother of the fourth-generation Pearl Jam knockoffs. > Completely insufferable - especially that "Jesus, put a > shirt on" singer. Speaking of, you wrote: An yet, they managed to be the fourth generation at the same time PJ etc were arriving! I suppose that's an achievement of a sort; to be so distilled and derivative and hideous so quickly. > > The closest I can think of for myself is I love > > Nirvana, like Smashing Pumpkins quite a bit, non- > > plussed by Pearl Jam, annoyed by Alice in Chains, > > truly detest Soundgarden. > > I have trouble putting these acts together much, except > by geography/timeframe. I'll give you Alice in Chains as > a halfway point between PJ and Soundgarden - but what > always irked me about so-called "grunge" is that the > three most commercially popular exponents thereof > (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden) sound absolutely > nothing like one another (except, perhaps, in being > influenced by "the seventies" - which is to say, > so broadly as to be meaningless). Nirvana's connection to AIC, PJ, and SG was always geographic more than musical (it's less of a stretch to my ears to say Nirvana sounds like The Posies -- or even the YFF -- than AIC or Soundgarden or Pearl Jam though there's an obvious gap there too). and SP's connection was always chronological and via Courtney Love's anatomy. It's ludicrous that they are always thought of together, but it's also a fair accompli at this point. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:09:11 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: wheeze wheeze Quoting Eb : > >Maximillian: > >Or Tom Verlaine, or Louie Armstrong or Howard Devoto or Johnny > >Rotten or Mark E. Smith or Pattie Smith or Dean Wareham or Ian > >Curtis or Guy Keyser or Ian Dury or Tom Waits.... > > Ooh, you can keep Ian Curtis and Dean Wareham, but I'd like to battle > ya over most of those other names. Gawd, I *love* John Lydon's voice. I thought Max was being ironic. > I worship Nirvana, like Soundgarden (but not pre-Badmotorfinger), am > bleh on Pearl Jam and strongly dislike Alice in Chains. And I never > liked Herman's Hermits, except for "Something Good." "Worship" is a little strong, but otherwise this describes my take exactly. But what about the Dave Clark Five? ..Jeff, who - despite this apparent concordance of tastes with Eb - is still not going to show him the Secret Sc*tt M*ller Handshake J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:27:28 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s First, thanks for tallying these up. Anyway... Quoting Capuchin : > You're right. That makes more sense (though I'm still a little > surprised > to see The Soft Boys so low on this list). No doubt that Talking Heads > is > the greatest rock band of all time. Or at least of the '70s, we apparently think. > > > But...you're surprised Can of Bees is *only* in second place? Sheesh. > > Not so surprised that it's second as much as I'm surprised it only > showed > on 11 of the 21 lists considering the source. Also surprised that it > showed on so few considering the single artist limitation that keeps a > dozen Elvis Costello, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, and Bob Dylan records > off each list. Hmmm... I think that's reflective of the distance Hitchcock's traveled since then. I like _Can of Bees_ lots (it helps that I like Beefheart lots), but in some ways it's harder to get hold of: it seems to run off in thirteen different directions at once. One of its charms, to be sure...but perhaps not as thoroughgoing a charm as what Hitchcock developed into in the '80s, or even the Soft Boys on UM. Of course, this list's "most essential artist of the '80s" is probably a foregone conclusion... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Reap On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > Strom Thurmond. No shit? Oh, dear lord. I feel deeply sorry for how glad that makes me. This is perhaps the most conflicted emotional state I've ever experienced. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:29:47 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s (2.5% RH content) > 21 lists that were not disqualified for total irrelevance (littered with > the same artist and so on) not all of them were complete and some were > pruned of obviously non-70s albums and re-issues... a little uniq and > sort > and we have results. Damn. I have to go all the way down to the Only Ones to find a title I don't either own or once owned (probably mouldering away somewhere on an old cassette). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:33:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Stuff On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Nirvana's connection to AIC, PJ, and SG was always geographic more than > musical (it's less of a stretch to my ears to say Nirvana sounds like > The Posies -- or even the YFF -- than AIC or Soundgarden or Pearl Jam > though there's an obvious gap there too). Are we maybe forgetting how unique those bands were on the broader scene when they hit it big? I mean, Alice in Chains aside, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Nirvana were definitely of a particular indy-ish hard rock place that wasn't widely available at the time so the fans pretty much HAD to overlap in order to get something like a fix. There just weren't enough imitators to flesh out the sub-genre spectrum. I went to a show in maybe early 1991 at the Salem Armory (of all places... great place with bad sound and in the most podunk of state capitals) where Pearl Jam and Nirvana openned for the Red Hot Chili Peppers... and I don't think the show was even sold out. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:38:42 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The Goth Queen Walks Among Us Quoting Capuchin : > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > > These'd be the same record. Looks like Chairs Missing got tallied > twice, > > too. > > > > Also, if Smash Hits counts, I want my Chris Bell record back. > > I fixed the Big Star thing and the Chairs Missing thing and removed And who's that "Bud Dolan" cat? I think I saw a reference to him on the back of a Jefferson Airplane album... ;) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Goth Queen Walks Among Us On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > And who's that "Bud Dolan" cat? I think I saw a reference to him on the > back of a Jefferson Airplane album... ;) Yeah, yeah... that and Britt Saperstien and (The) Velvet Underground and The Greatfull Dead are all better, too. If anyone wants to add to the list, I'll keep it going... and maybe next year we can do the 80s... or do we not have enough emotional distance yet? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:19:40 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s >Of course, this list's "most essential artist of the '80s" is probably a >foregone conclusion... Well, we're probably overdue for another Madonna thread. >Jeff, who - despite this apparent concordance of tastes with Eb - is >still not going to show him the Secret Sc*tt M*ller Handshake Probably has too many steps to ever be memorized, anyway. I never knew Strom Thurmond once filibustered for over 24 hours. Wow. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:39:12 -0700 From: Eb Subject: "70s Poll" I was scanning Jeme's full album list, and noticed some more problems with his scripted calculations: 1) Entries for both "Soft Machine" and "The Soft Machine" 2) Entries for both Pink Floyd/Wish You Were Here and Pink Floyd/"Welcome to the Machine" (meaning Wish You Were Here...incorrect title) 3) Two entries for Zappa's One Size Fits All 4) A joke entry for Dylan's Blood on the Tracks under "Bud Dolan" 5) A joke entry for Springsteen's Born to Run under "Brent Saperstein" 6) The Ramones' debut listed under both "Ramones" and "The Ramones" 7) Entries for both Who's Next and "Won't Get Fooled Again" (presumably, the latter should have been Who's Next too) 8) Two entries for the Grateful Dead's American Beauty (two too many, if you ask me ;)) 9) I swapped my Miles Davis/Bitches Brew choice with Buzzcocks/Singles Going Steady, after being informed Bitches Brew came out in 1969. That leaves 367 different albums, I think? I feel a bit silly bothering to worry though, with so relatively few people who submitted lists. Maybe Jeme fixed these goofs in later posts, I forget. But not in the post I'm looking at (http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/v12.n240). Looks like I own 179 of the albums which were listed. Plus compilations which mostly encompass a few other entries. I can also count a bunch which I've bought and eventually rejected: Yessongs, 2112, Harvest, What's Going On (feeling guilty), Court and Spark, June 1 1974, Tusk, Highway to Hell, Paranoid, Parallel Lines, Eat to the Beat, Sheik Yerbouti, Apostrophe, Blows Against the Empire, Soft Machine's Third, True Colours, Crime of the Century, The Specials, Every Good Boy Deserves Favour, Rock n Roll with the Modern Lovers.... Sigh. Buying secondhand vinyl used to be such a "low-risk" investment. I still have several of these in my discard boxes though, so I guess that I haven't entirely cleansed myself of them. There's also probably a dozen or so which I'm likely to buy in the future. If Gram Parsons/Gram Parsons is the same thing as Gram Parsons/"GP," that's definitely one. Also virtually guaranteed: Snakefinger's Chewing Hides the Sound (if I can find it), the Beach Boys' Sunflower (I own most of it on comps already, though) and Neil's Tonight's the Night. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:40:58 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Yardbirds I went to a couple of shows tonight, and thought I'd recommend them, if you get a chance to see them. First, I saw James Brown at a casino fairly nearby. It was a fairly short show (70 minutes total), but very good. James is still quite the showman. I nearly got myself arrested before the show--I need to stay away from the reservation police (my last chat with them cost me $100). They thought I was trying to scalp tickets (I was trying to get rid of an extra pair of tickets to the sold out show for half of face value). I talked my way out of the problem, but it was a close call. Afterward, I saw the Yardbirds, who were surprisingly excellent. The new band is really tight and the set was well selected.If you get the chance to catch them, I recommend it highly. Later, Marc There should be a detective show called "Johnny Monkey," because every week you could have a guy say "I ain't gonna get caught by no MONKEY," but then he would, and I don't think I'd ever get tired of that. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:54:42 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Screaming Trees >one band I'd like to see some mention of here in discussions is the >appealing prog/grunge mix of Screaming Trees. Any other fans on the list? Count me in. I've been a big fan of theirs since Uncle Anesthesia came out. I think they were probably about the most underrated of all the bands that came out of the Seattle area in the late '80's/early '90's. I'm guessing that part of the problem is that they weren't very photogenic, which can be a bit of a problem in the video era. They were great live, but half the times I saw them, they were in an opening slot (short sets, playing to someone else's fans). I missed seeing Mark Lanegan sing with Queens of the Stone Age recently, and hope to get another chance at that. I just recently finished re-purchasing the Screaming Trees CDs that disappeared when my house was broken into at Halloween last year--I was in line at Amoeba Records in San Francisco, waiting to meet the Soft Boys, when I got the phone call about the break-in. I managed to recover almost half the missing CDs at local used CD stores. Because an ID is required to sell CDs for cash, they got the name of one of the guys who broke in. He was later brought in on another breaking and entering charge, and he confessed to the break-in at my place, too. He was sentenced last month to 6 1/2 years in prison. I've managed to replace most of the missing CDs that I wanted to replace, but since most stores around here don't buy bootlegs or CDRs, some things were lost completely. Does anyone have extra copies of the Soft Boys shows at Fletcher's in Baltimore or the Knitting Factory in LA? I might have a cool thing or two to trade. I never did recover the guitar they took--a black 1950's Silvertone hollow-body electric with a Bigsby tremolo. It was my favorite, not that I ever did anything with it worth hearing. To paraphrase something Nick Lowe said about his guitar, "See this guitar? It cost over 3000 pounds, but I can still make it sound like shit." Chatter at you later, Marc "Shut up! Shut up, you American. You always talk, you Americans. You talk and you talk and say 'let me tell you something' and 'I just wanna say this'. Well, you're dead now, so shut up!"--Mr. Death (the Grim Reaper), Monty Python's Meaning of Life. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:30:30 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: re: rex plectra - -- Jim Davies is rumored to have mumbled on Mittwoch, 25. Juni 2003 20:01 Uhr +0100 regarding re: rex plectra: > but said then girlfiend, now an angel of the Sun, dragged me off to > see rem last night, at the carling brixton academy, and that would be > enough to make up for any eighties' backstage butchery > > amazing gig > > just amazing > > pilgrimage, little america, feeling gravity's pull, driver 8, maps and > legends, and - uh - a rocked-out version of everybody hurts Ooh, I'm looking forward to Berlin next Friday! The setlists at remhq.com show that they are playing a *lot* of old songs! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:28:31 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Screaming Trees Mark raised his hand: >>one band I'd like to see some mention of here in discussions is the >>appealing prog/grunge mix of Screaming Trees. Any other fans on the list? > >Count me in. [...] good to know I'm not alone out their. I always found the mix of grunge and mellotron very appealing. "Dust" in particular I really enjoy. Also good to know you got some of your stuff back after the robbery - and that they caught the bugger that did it. Sad about the guitar, though. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:37:40 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: wheeze wheeze On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Eb wrote: > And I never liked Herman's Hermits, except for "Something Good." Spot on! I thought I quite liked their version of "Can't you hear my heart beat" until I recently re-heard the superb Goldie and the Gingerbreads hit. Great record, particularly the inanely lifeless organ solo. And I would nominate their cover of Donovan's "Museum" as the worst Herman's Hermits record I am aware of. - - Mike "Lowe si, McManus non" Godwin PS How could you junk your copy of 'Blows against the empire'? Isn't that the one with "When I was a boy I watched the wolves" on it? PPS The reason my list had BOC rather than CofB on it is that I knew nothing at all about the Soft Boys in the 70s. I discovered the Egyptians in 1986 and worked backwards. n.p. Graham Parker and the Rumour "Passion is no ordinary word" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:48:43 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: that 70s list >So the feglist 1970s album top ten would look like this: >(13) Television - Marquee Moon >(11) The Soft Boys - A Can Of Bees >(11) The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks... Here's the Sex Pistols >(10) Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks >( 9) The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street >( 9) John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band >( 8) The Who - Who's Next >( 8) The Clash - London Calling >( 8) Patti Smith - Horses >( 8) George Harrison - All Things Must Pass not quite. Loaded got 7 votes as by Velvet Underground, plus 2 as by The Velvet Underground - total 9. Oh and there was one vote for Bud Dolan's "Blood on the tracks", too. Also, some artists cancelled each other out - Eno got eleven votes spread over 4 albums. Everyone who voted for Blue Oyster Cult voted for a different album. The Rolling Stones scored for several different works, etc. Bowie got 15 votes split over 6 albums. So you could probably say as much by saying which artists were on most lists. After all, we could only name each artist once, no matter how many albums they put out during the 70s. Here are the ones that were on ten or more lists: (15) David Bowie (15) Talking Heads (14) Big Star (14) Television (14) The Clash (14) The Rolling Stones (13) Bob Dylan (13) Lou Reed (13) The Who (12) Elvis Costello & The Attractions (12) Iggy Pop (+/- The Stooges (12) Neil Young (+/- Crazy Horse) (11) Brian Eno (11) John Lennon (11) Syd Barrett (11) The Ramones (11) The Sex Pistols (11) The Soft Boys (10) Nick Drake (10) Pink Floyd James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:58:13 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #241 >Not that unusual, really. Earlier this year I set up a list where only * I >* can post. It may sound limiting at first, but it's actually quite the >opposite; I can exercise dozens of personalities, while giving free rein to >a rather childish brand of humor. > >Had a spot of trouble couple of weeks ago though...I found that I had >de-lurked to needlessly flame myself over some mundane topic. Unfortunately >I coupled a half-hearted apology with a point-by-point analysis of why I was >right to begin with, so by the time I admitted that I could have allowed for >someone else's opinion (which turned out to be mine anyway) the damage had >been done. In a flurry of goodbyes, Me, myself and I decamped from my list >to less abrasive pastures. > >A moderator may be required. I'll probably end up doing it (again). > >Michael "it's the tense shifts that'll get you" Wells nurse, could you please send some orderlies down here? Yes, some strong ones. Get them to bring the restraints. James (realising that, of course, Cap tallied the artists, and that I have just wasted twenty minutes) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Goth 'n' Robyn > Heh heh. I have a winged scarab on my upper right shoulder. > Maybe someday you will meet your lost tatoo-mate--someone with a tatoo of a dungball. ;-) Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:37:01 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Goth 'n' Robyn On Fri, Jun 27, 2003, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > > > Heh heh. I have a winged scarab on my upper right shoulder. > > > Maybe someday you will meet your lost tatoo-mate--someone with a > tatoo of a dungball. ;-) Hah. I bet my shoulder will be uncontrollably drawn to it. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: 800-number isp's? Does anyone know of reasonably priced toll-free ISP access? My agency's BBS is finally going offline after 9 years and I'd like to be able to suggest an alternative for our health centers that are in remote areas with no local access. Good, FREE providers would also be appreciated... If you need cheap health care I can help with that... =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:59:40 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: another list > >Michael: > >I can't believe anyone has yet to mention one > >of my favorites from the 1970's > >The Pretty Things - Parachute On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Eb wrote: > I do own that...haven't played it in ages. I should pull it out > again. I bought a used copy after being so enraptured by SF Sorrow, > and recall being disappointed by comparison. Parachute is the one with "In the square" and "She wrote me a letter" on it, yes? I rather liked it. The only things I really rated on 'S F Sorrow' were "S F Sorrow is born" and the one with the riff all the way through which goes "chug a chug a chug, chug chug chug CHUG chug". > >MC5 - High Time > > I've been curious about this disc for awhile. Haven't heard any MC5 > beyond the first album (which was just too neanderthal for me). I think 'High Time' is disappointing. If you don't like the White Panther-noise of the first album, the real killer is the 'Back in the USA' with 'Living in the USA', 'The Human Being Lawn Mower' and 'Shakin Stree' on it. Beautiful production, vicious record. > >Rachel Sweet - Fool Around > > There's a definite dark horse... I would put Rachel in the "beginning of the decline of Stiff Records' category. Sorry! > >Only Ones - Only Ones > > A few have named this record...I should investigate it. Really really good record. It was constantly on the turntable at my old house for about 10 years, interspersed with the Rain Parade and Sir Henry at Rawlinson's End. Fabulous live band too - it's well worth tracking down 'Live at the Paradiso' if you can find it. The follow-up album,'Even serpents shine' is not as good, but does include "Miles from nowhere" which is a fine song. The third album, "Baby's got a gun" was complete rubbish. Interesting 3-album decline pattern, just like the Chicken Shack. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples. - - MRG PS 'Mirrors', James? How could you? What a rotten record! n.p. The Only Ones "Sometimes I think of you out there in the night" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Groove Puppy Subject: Re: All Goth. No Thoth Ken sez > Well the later Damned albums like Phantasmagoria > were maybe goth-ish. > But Not Of This Earth from about 1996 was fantastic. But Phantasmagoria is a fairly weak album and not very typical. ("Grimley Fiendish" indeed!) NOTE isn't even really an official Damned album. 'twas only meant to be a demo and was released behind Vanian's back. Terrible songs (those that I've heard) and the Scabies-bastard pockets all the money. Hopefully you stole your copy or bootlegged it! I will admit that the delicious Grave Disorder has a few goth-ish moments. > And I think Express is a > great album. I do have Express and it does have it's moments. (H) np Fun Lovin Criminals "Come Find Yourself" ===== CHUCKHOLE All that great punk rock taste with only half the calories. http://clix.to/chuckhole http://www.mp3.com/chuckhole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:05:52 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: All Goth. No Thoth On Fri, Jun 27, 2003, Groove Puppy wrote: > But Phantasmagoria is a fairly weak album and not very > typical. ("Grimley Fiendish" indeed!) NOTE isn't > even really an official Damned album. 'twas only > meant to be a demo and was released behind Vanian's > back. Terrible songs (those that I've heard) and the > Scabies-bastard pockets all the money. Hopefully you > stole your copy or bootlegged it! No, I bought it when it came out. All I knew was that it was a new Damned album. Whatever the case, I think it's a great album, and the band, whoever they are, are tight as hell. IIRC, Glen Matlock also played on it. Plus the cover is insane. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #242 ********************************