From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #241 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 26 2003 Volume 12 : Number 241 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: All Goth. No Thoth [Ken Weingold ] [danmaniax] Steely Dan Confessions [Tom Clark ] Re: 40 from the 70s (2.5% RH content) [Capuchin ] The Goth Queen Walks Among Us ["Rex.Broome" ] [oldoldOLDschoolcrustacea] Trilobites! [Christopher Gross ] Curiouser & Curiouser! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Curiouser & Curiouser! ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: The Goth Queen Walks Among Us [Capuchin ] Re: 40/70s, gothism [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: 40 from the 70s [Capuchin ] Re: 40 from the 70s [Capuchin ] Re: goth & stuff [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] my last post on all things goth (0% RH) [mary ] Re: Four big digests in one day??? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: 40 from the 70s [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Curiouser & Curiouser! ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Goth 'n' Robyn [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:52:36 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: All Goth. No Thoth On Thu, Jun 26, 2003, Groove Puppy wrote: > Hate seeing the Damned tagged as goth. Pure punk baby, as punk as > it gets! Well the later Damned albums like Phantasmagoria were maybe goth-ish. But Not Of This Earth from about 1996 was fantastic. > Me, I was a huge Bauhaus fan, loved ToT although barely got it with > LnR (or Pete Murphy for that matter). I've seen live Bauhaus, Peter Murphy, and Love and Rockets. One of the Love and Rockets shows I saw was one of the best shows I ever saw. Totally blew me away. My friend who was there with me agreed. Funny thought that Daniel Ash looked just like Bono at that show. Hair and fly sunglasses and all. And I think Express is a great album. > - Bauhaus version of Ziggy Stardust kicks the arse out of the Bowie > version I believe even Bowie commented once that that was how it should have been done. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:14:43 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: [danmaniax] Steely Dan Confessions http://www.repriserecords.com/steelydan/player/ Excerpts available at the above site. Check the one with "Lizzie". Sorry, only available in proprietary formats. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s (2.5% RH content) On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Capuchin wrote: > ######### 20 lists Make that 21... I didn't increment the counter when I added that last list. There's 751 entries on those 21 lists, which means three or four weren't full and a half dozen entries were disqualified. As I wrote earlier, a couple of whole lists were disqualified. I came about a hair's breadth from disqualifying Ross Taylor for his oh-so-hip no capitals and nearly every artist and album name abbreviated, but I left it in. So the feglist 1970s album top ten would look like this: (13) Television - Marquee Moon (11) The Soft Boys - A Can Of Bees (11) The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks... Here's the Sex Pistols (10) Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks ( 9) The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street ( 9) John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band ( 8) The Who - Who's Next ( 8) The Clash - London Calling ( 8) Patti Smith - Horses ( 8) George Harrison - All Things Must Pass And that's a little surprising, but not totally. Very surprising to not see A Can Of Bees higher. I don't know what other interesting stats you might want to see, so I'm giving up. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:30:46 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Goth Queen Walks Among Us Eb: >> And I never liked Herman's Hermits, except for "Something Good." More blasphemy! Well, not really. I just like "Mrs. Brown" 'cuz I used to sing it to my wife when #1 daughter was born: "Mrs. Broome, You've Got a Lovely Daughter". ___ ( 1) Big Star - Sister Lovers ( 5) Big Star - Third These'd be the same record. Looks like Chairs Missing got tallied twice, too. Also, if Smash Hits counts, I want my Chris Bell record back. Still, admirable work. I love any list where Television wins. - -------- Incidentally, this bears repeating: A few months ago the KROQ morning show was doing a piece on Goths and they had Goths call in and 'splain the lifestyle. Two of the callers were lunkheads but the third was very articulate and represented quite well. After a few seconds I recognized him as Catherine Simpson's husband. So we've got LA Goth Royalty right here on the list in my view. Also, props to Catherine and Eb for proving (to me anyway) that rumors or the irreversible lameness of the feglist have been greatly exaggerated. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:21:39 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Pain, LPD, The Fall (0% RH) Mary asked: >>Catherine, were you at the Bauhaus show there (the Marble Bar in Baltimore) in '82, '83? I >>wasn't there but wanted to go. No, sadly, I wasn't. Since Bauhaus wasn't exactly well-known at the time, I didn't know about the show until after the fact. Talk about missed opportunities... I also narrowly missed a Tones on Tail show at the 9:30 Club in D.C. (was out of town at the time). At least I got to see the first Bauhaus "reunion" show here in L.A. at the Palladium - I'd thought I'd never have a chance to see them all together again. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:37:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: [oldoldOLDschoolcrustacea] Trilobites! Finding Trilobites by the Bucket, For Free - --Chris (but you can call me Sven) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:39:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s >(13) Television - Marquee Moon >(11) The Soft Boys - A Can Of Bees >(11) The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks... Here's the Sex Pistols >(10) Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks >( 9) The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street >( 9) John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band >( 8) The Who - Who's Next >( 8) The Clash - London Calling >( 8) Patti Smith - Horses >( 8) George Harrison - All Things Must Pass >( 7) Velvet Underground - Loaded >( 7) The Modern Lovers - Modern Lovers >( 7) The Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady Nice effort, Jeme. Though I'm not sure how statistically significant these results are, because of my "one artist" rule. You can't really say these are the list's favorite '70s records, for instance. Could you write another script to simply tally up the artists most commonly named, regardless of album? Because more than anything else, I think the poll simply shows the list's favorite '70s acts. (And you don't need to post *every* band named...just maybe the top 30 or 40 finishers. Wherever there's a good cutoff point.) But...you're surprised Can of Bees is *only* in second place? Sheesh. >Rex: > >> And I never liked Herman's Hermits, except for "Something Good." > >More blasphemy! Well, not really. I just like "Mrs. Brown" 'cuz I used to >sing it to my wife when #1 daughter was born: "Mrs. Broome, You've Got a >Lovely Daughter". Oh, wait a minute. I kinda liked "There's a Kind of Hush" too, come to think of it. >Also, props to Catherine and Eb for proving (to me anyway) that rumors or >the irreversible lameness of the feglist have been greatly exaggerated. How so? >Mary: >np - The Jazz Butcher "Fishcotheque" Isn't it amazing how far this guy has fallen into obscurity? He was quite popular at the time on the college-rock circuit (prior to RH signing with A&M, I would have rated him about equal to Hitchcock in popularity), and he released a *lot* of albums. Yet essentially NONE of them are in print anymore. There aren't many other pop/rock artists who are so recent, so prolific and yet so buried. I guess it doesn't help that practically all of his labels went out of business by the early '90s. Big Time, Relativity, Rough Trade, Genius.... Or maybe it just goes to prove how damaging a *totally* inappropriate band name can be. Eb, who wishes he had a Scandal in Bohemia CD, instead of just a homemade tape ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:54:28 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Curiouser & Curiouser! Jason B: >>Oooh, what's this Oldschoolfegs list? A list where LJ posts? As well >>as Eb and Chris Gross? Is this where old Fegs go when they die? Is >>this where the Great Quail absconded to? Oooh indeed, looks like the jig is up in this one! Explications please. I promise not to crash it, as I can recognize being non-invited, but what ho? ________ Meanwhile, vis-a-vis tattoos, it's exactly that inability to come up with anything good or definitive of myself that has kept me uninterested in getting one... although I also find the ink aesthetically too drab. But basically it's just not my kind of thing. It would be putting it mildly to say I have no sense of style whatsoever. - -Rex, uninked ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:49:32 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Curiouser & Curiouser! >From: "Rex.Broome" >Subject: Curiouser & Curiouser! >Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:54:28 -0700 >Meanwhile, vis-a-vis tattoos, it's exactly that inability to come up with >anything good or definitive of myself that has kept me uninterested in >getting one... although I also find the ink aesthetically too drab. But >basically it's just not my kind of thing. It would be putting it mildly to >say I have no sense of style whatsoever. I don't want one but if I did I would insist on people calling me Tattoo Jew. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: The Goth Queen Walks Among Us On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > These'd be the same record. Looks like Chairs Missing got tallied twice, > too. > > Also, if Smash Hits counts, I want my Chris Bell record back. I fixed the Big Star thing and the Chairs Missing thing and removed Smash Hits. Not that anyone will ever ask for this data again. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:23:34 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: 40/70s, gothism Once upon a time in America, Eb said: >James: >> Abba, the Album > >Another brave choice. Heh. Doesn't even seem like this is one of the >top ABBA albums, is it? Two hits, but.... true, but it's a personal favourite, and about as experimental as they were likely to get, which helps. Knocks the spots off most of their other albums - - not that that's really saying too much. >>Right First Time - Th'Dudes > >Dunno nothing 'bout this 'un. guess what? They're Kiwis! :) Catrchy, brash pub rock, and the first band to feature later NZ rock luminaries Dave Dobbyn, Ian Morris and Peter Urlich. >>52nd Street - Billy Joel > >Why, you old softie, you. yeah, it's schmaltzy, but it's good schmaltz, if you know what I mean. And,like it or not, it defines a certain part of the 70s. - --- >>>Luna but not Galaxie 500. > >I can see this (not unlike the Sugar/Husker Du thing). I like both but >favor G500... that was important stuff back in the day. me too. I also am a big fan of Rain Parade but go ehh to Mazzy Star. - --- >At 05:06 PM 6/25/2003 -0700, Catherine Simpson wrote: >>artists and bands in the REM vein. Other than Robyn, whose music I have >>deemed damned-near necessary for the continuation of life as I know it, I >>listen to primarily Goth/Industrial/Ethereal bands (or at least >>*used-to-be-more-Goth* bands like the Cure). At all the Robyn shows I've >>been to, I've only met one other Goth-ish person, so I'm guessing that Robyn >>and music-to-slit-your-wrists-by don't exactly go hand in hand for most >>folks. Fair assessment? Or are there others like me lurking out there that I >>don't know about? > >Due to my love for all things dark and beautiful I tend to think of myself >as "goth-ish." My favourite band is Joy Division and I love Bauhaus, The >Cure, Dead Can Dance, The Legendary Pink Dots, Love Spirals Downward, >Ministry, Siouxsie, The Tear Garden, Tones on Tail to name a few. Despite the 'palatable' nature of my 70s list, my collection contains enough Sisters of Mercy, Dead Can Dance, Siouxsie, Xymox, Mission, Joy Division, Hyro, Wolfgang Press, NIN... Add in Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil, and a pretty sizeable ambient/industrial/illbient collection, and I probably qualify as a closet goth. And certainly if my art is anything to go by, it's a bit more than closet. And that applies both to my own art and to my favourite artists and art movements (German Romantics? Symbolism? Decadent movement? Knopf? Redon? Spilliaert? Munch? Even Giger?) Never had the look though - at least with the make-up - but "goth clothing" is not uncommon for anyone round here, goth or not, so I guess I can own up to that one. - --- Kravitz like Hendrix? That's like comparing Blur to the Kinks. Anyway, if anyone was able to take up the mantle of Hendrix, Prince was - for a while, back before all the name changes. I don't think anyone has it on at the moment, though. James np - A Four Tops best of (!) but next, it'll be something by Zoviet*France. PS - best of 70s... dammit, I forgot "Greetings from LA" by Tim Buckley James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:26:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Eb wrote: > Could you write another script to simply tally up the artists most > commonly named, regardless of album? Because more than anything else, I > think the poll simply shows the list's favorite '70s acts. (And you > don't need to post *every* band named...just maybe the top 30 or 40 > finishers. Wherever there's a good cutoff point.) OK, here's the top 36 album recording artists of the 70s according to fegs who care: (15) Talking Heads (15) David Bowie (15) Big Star (14) The Rolling Stones (14) The Clash (14) Television (13) The Who (13) Lou Reed (12) Neil Young (& Crazy Horse) (12) John Lennon (12) Iggy Pop (& The Stooges) (12) Elvis Costello (12) Bob Dylan (11) The Soft Boys (11) The Sex Pistols (11) The Ramones (11) Syd Barrett (11) Brian Eno (10) Pink Floyd ( 9) Roxy Music ( 9) Nick Drake ( 9) Led Zeppelin ( 8) The Modern Lovers ( 8) Peter Gabriel ( 8) Patti Smith ( 8) John Cale ( 8) George Harrison ( 7) XTC ( 7) Wire ( 7) Velvet Underground ( 7) The Kinks ( 7) The Jam ( 7) The Buzzcocks ( 7) Joni Mitchell ( 7) Genesis ( 7) Frank Zappa (& The Mothers Of Invention) You're right. That makes more sense (though I'm still a little surprised to see The Soft Boys so low on this list). No doubt that Talking Heads is the greatest rock band of all time. > But...you're surprised Can of Bees is *only* in second place? Sheesh. Not so surprised that it's second as much as I'm surprised it only showed on 11 of the 21 lists considering the source. Also surprised that it showed on so few considering the single artist limitation that keeps a dozen Elvis Costello, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, and Bob Dylan records off each list. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Capuchin wrote: > OK, here's the top 36 album recording artists of the 70s according to fegs > who care: Velvet Underground is a 9, not a 7. So I put together a list of records I OWN from the list of everything people submitted and a list of things I've heard all the way through. This is all just crap about me. You can skip it if you like. It's really more of a mask to lay against the submitted records to see just how little I've even heard of what you folks call your favorites. The total of both lists is 37... out of 371. About 10%. I kind of wish I'd kept all the lists separate so I could do some matching and see whose list contained the most of what I own. I own these: AC/DC - Highway to Hell DEVO - Duty Now For The Future DEVO - Q. Are We Not Men? A. We Are DEVO! David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars Elvis Costello & The Attractions - Armed Forces Roxy Music - Country Life Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Scream Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life Syd Barrett - Barrett Syd Barrett - The Madcap Laughs Talking Heads - '77 Talking Heads - Fear Of Music Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks... Here's the Sex Pistols The Soft Boys - A Can Of Bees The Specials - The Specials X Ray Spex - Germ Free Adolescents I've heard these: Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run Elvis Costello & the Attractions - This Year's Model Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True Kraftwerk - Die Mensch Maschine Marlo Thomas & Friends - Free To Be You and Me Marvin Gaye - What's Goin On? Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Neil Young - Harvest Paul Simon - Paul Simon Paul Simon - There Goes Rhymin' Simon Public Image Ltd. - Second Edition (Metal Box) Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water Stevie Wonder - Innervisions The Cars - The Cars The Clash - London Calling The Cramps - Gravest Hits The Cure - Three Imaginary Boys The Ramones - The Ramones The Velvet Underground - Loaded Willie Nelson - Red Headed Stranger XTC - Drums & Wires That's it. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:54:26 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: goth & stuff >Yo, do Goths like the Fall? I doubt I qualify as goth, but I don't like the Fall. Do like the Jesus and Mary Chain though, if that helps. >>>OK, I'll come out of the goth closet a little more. I've got a fairly >>>large black Eye of Horus tattoo on my upper left arm. I even stole had >the >>>tattoo artist steal the design from a Sisters of Mercy album cover, >>>although he tweaked it a bit. > >I know exactly with S.o.M. cover you're talking about - I thought of using >that same design, once. Nice choice! vision thing, IIRC. You folks sound just like the people I like to paint portraits of! I seriously considered a tat for a while, but my loathing of needles stopped me. Saw a design on a US website of the uffington horse overlaid on Newgrange spiralwork which looked perfect. Then again, with Alice's design abilities (she's designed tats for her sister and a few other people) something else good would have been easy to come up with. >And I agree with Mary's assessment that "I see no problem with the idea that >folks who like Robyn have goth tendencies. A lot of his songs deal with the >darker side of life" - I've never felt that the two were incongruous, >either Anything Goth in Robyn's lyrical ideas? We might get some idea by checking some titles... Sweet ghost of light. Check. Agony of pleasure. Check. My wife and my dead wife. Check. I wanna destroy you. Check. The face of death. Check. Sleeping with your Devil mask. Check. The pit of souls. Check. Let there be more darkness. Check. A skull, a suitcase, and a long red bottle of wine. Check, check, check. Lady Waters and the Hooded One. Check. The black crow knows. Check. The bones in the ground. Check.Mexican god. Check. Sinister but she was happy. Check. You and oblivion. Check. When I was dead. Check. Then you're dust. Check... - --- >> Singles going steady - Buzzcocks >> >> 2) I didn't include [single artist] compilation albums. > >Like hell you didn't! :) sigh. I *knew* something sould slip through... then again, this wasn't bits from other albums, just previously ungathered stuff that was all from the 70s, so it's probably not as much a problem as, say "Beatles 62-66" - --- >The closest I can think of for myself is I love Nirvana, >like Smashing Pumpkins quite a bit, non-plussed by Pearl >Jam, annoyed by Alice in Chains, truly detest Soundgarden. I like Nirvana and found some difficulty getting into Pearl Jam (although I love Eddie Vedder's work with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and the NFAK-inspired "Who you are"). Can't stand the SPs or Soundgarden. Like Foo Fighters, if that's any help. And I've been vetoed from saying whether I like Alice in Chains. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:19:55 -0400 From: mary Subject: my last post on all things goth (0% RH) At 03:21 PM 6/26/2003 -0700, Catherine Simpson wrote: >No, sadly, I wasn't. Since Bauhaus wasn't exactly well-known at the time, I >didn't know about the show until after the fact. Talk about missed >opportunities... I also narrowly missed a Tones on Tail show at the 9:30 >Club in D.C. (was out of town at the time). At least I got to see the first >Bauhaus "reunion" show here in L.A. at the Palladium - I'd thought I'd never >have a chance to see them all together again. I've never had the pleasure of seeing Tones on Tail and have only seen Bauhaus during the reunion (9:30 Club, DC). I've seen Love and Rockets (with The Pixies opening up) - what a great show that was! And I've seen Peter Murphy (with NIN opening up). The Peter Murphy show was a bit disappointing because he performed with his back to the audience. I was worried about the Bauhaus reunion show but no fear, he performed facing us all - an excellent show I must say. I know some of the (you should have been there) 70's shows have been posted to the list, but how about great 80's shows? And since LJ hasn't been on the list for ages, I'll step in and say that old school fegs is just a bunch of old-timer feg friends that have spent a lot of time in off-list chats, hung out together in person or wish they could hang out together in person, splashed in hot tubs together, drunk lots of beer together, seen many shows together, and so on. Geez...did I use the word "together" enough times in that paragraph? s.Mary n.p. This Mortal Coil "Blood" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:22:27 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Four big digests in one day??? >A very good point. However, if they sound more like metal, and they >don't have a Mellotron, they're not Prog bricks). one band I'd like to see some mention of here in discussions is the appealing prog/grunge mix of Screaming Trees. Any other fans on the list? >It's true some Live does sound like some REM. That's not to say they are >anywhere as good as REM. Very similar case is how much the Goo Goo Dolls >sound like the great Replacements records. Again they are not in the same >league. ditto for my love of Curve and ehhing of Garbage, I suppose. >I think my favorite Fall album is The Wonderful and Frightening World >of the Fall. That band used to get on my nerves -- partially because >it seemed like everyone I knew who liked the Fall had musical tastes >which I didn't respect -- but I eventually warmed up to them. Though >I still know a guy who rates them as pretty much *the* ultimate band >in history, and I have a real hard time understanding what his >criteria might be. is the album "Fall in a hole (Live in Auckland)" known much outside NZ? The Flall recorded it on tour in NZ while they were between labels, IIRC, and recorded live to four-track by Chris Knox in Auckland. Used to see vinyl copies of it everywhere but I haven't seen one for years, and I've never seen it on CD. - --- Two final goth comments. - - I have written a couple of goth songs, notably "Everything you dream", which started off sounding like the Sisters of Mercy meets Shriekback. - -I'm going to the opening of an art exhibition today which has one of my paintings in it. The painting's title, courtesy of Joy Division, is "Atrocity Exhibition" - --- >I worship Nirvana, like Soundgarden (but not pre-Badmotorfinger), am >bleh on Pearl Jam and strongly dislike Alice in Chains. And I never >liked Herman's Hermits, except for "Something Good." "No milk today" is the only track of HHs I can stand. Then again, I thought it was by the Hollies for years. And Hermans Hermits are more metal than grunge, anyway ;) - --- >>>I've heard some of his more recent stuff which was more >>>palatable (I think he's discovered the concept of a melody) > >Funny thing on Dylan. Those who don't like him resent the fact that they're >supposed to worship him according to "everybody". Those who do like him >think "everybody" thinks he's shit because of his voice. Weird. But >Natalie, I don't think you can really argue that Dylan didn't discover >melody until recently. well, it depends whether you call "Desolation row" recent :) BTW, does anyone else here think that Warren Zevon's "Carmelita" ripped off the melody of Desolation Row? Perhaps they're just both mariachi based and that's it, but it sounds a lot closer than that to me. James (who, between writing this and hitting send, noted Rex mention the STs) PS - good work on the tallying, Cap, although there are a couple of double listings in (The) Velvet Underground and the Grateful Dead. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Eb wrote: > Eb, who wishes he had a Scandal in Bohemia CD, instead of just a > homemade tape Did it go back out of print again? Someone reissued it in 2001, along with Distressed Gentlefolk and a half-assed compilation that nevertheless had some good rarities on it. But maybe you know this. I saw the new-old JBC lineup a few years back and was very impressed. I also came away with the distinct impression that Max Eider might be blind, due to the sunglasses and the odd angle at which he held his head when something caught his attention. Except he's not. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:24:57 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Curiouser & Curiouser! Mary: > And since LJ hasn't been on the list for ages, I'll step in and say that > old school fegs is just a bunch of old-timer feg friends that have spent a > lot of time in off-list chats, hung out together in person or wish they > could hang out together in person, splashed in hot tubs together, drunk > lots of beer together, seen many shows together, and so on. Not that unusual, really. Earlier this year I set up a list where only * I * can post. It may sound limiting at first, but it's actually quite the opposite; I can exercise dozens of personalities, while giving free rein to a rather childish brand of humor. Had a spot of trouble couple of weeks ago though...I found that I had de-lurked to needlessly flame myself over some mundane topic. Unfortunately I coupled a half-hearted apology with a point-by-point analysis of why I was right to begin with, so by the time I admitted that I could have allowed for someone else's opinion (which turned out to be mine anyway) the damage had been done. In a flurry of goodbyes, Me, myself and I decamped from my list to less abrasive pastures. A moderator may be required. I'll probably end up doing it (again). Michael "it's the tense shifts that'll get you" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Goth 'n' Robyn mary wrote: > At 10:06 AM 6/26/2003 -0700, Catherine wrote: > > >All I can respond with is, Mary, I don't know you, but I > >think I love you ;)Nice to know I'm not alone... > > There are several more of us on the list. Chris Gross and > Quail and Drew who used to be on the list but are no > more, all appreciate the goth side of life. I'm sure > there are more lurking out there - we know you are there, > come on out and play... Real goths wouldn't accept me because the "goth" stuff I like is the less militantly goth artists, Cure, Siouxsie, Bauhaus, etc who never cared about being goth so they all ended up neo-psychedelic (the latter as Love and Rockets) and annoying a lot of proper goths. And I only did the clothes and make up thing once, and it was for Halloween! (and it took 3 hours, and didn't quite work with my (A) blond too-short and (B) only having one can of Aquanet). In other words, I'm not goth -- I just went to good schools! :) ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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