From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #238 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 26 2003 Volume 12 : Number 238 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Kravitz is Krap, but the Cure is Cool ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: New Zealand Legalizes Brothels ["Jason R. Thornton" ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: 40 70s, late as usual ["ross taylor" ] Goth 'n' Robyn [Catherine Simpson ] RE: Kravitz is Krap [Catherine Simpson ] Re: Goth 'n' Robyn ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Goth 'n' Robyn [mary ] The Goth question considered yet again ["Rex.Broome" ] Decisions, decisions ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Goth 'n' Robyn [Catherine Simpson ] RE: The ME decade, by ME [Capuchin ] Re: Decisions, decisions ["Maximilian Lang" ] A quick one for the Goths ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Stuff [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Goth 'n' Robyn [Catherine Simpson ] Re: The Goth question considered yet again [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:16:09 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: Kravitz is Krap, but the Cure is Cool At 08:55 PM 6/25/2003 -0400, mary wrote: >>I listen to primarily Goth/Industrial/Ethereal bands (or at least >>*used-to-be-more-Goth* bands like the Cure). At all the Robyn shows I've >>been to, I've only met one other Goth-ish person, so I'm guessing that Robyn >>and music-to-slit-your-wrists-by don't exactly go hand in hand for most >>folks. Fair assessment? Or are there others like me lurking out there that I >>don't know about? > >Due to my love for all things dark and beautiful I tend to think of myself >as "goth-ish." My favourite band is Joy Division and I love Bauhaus, The >Cure, Dead Can Dance, The Legendary Pink Dots, Love Spirals Downward, >Ministry, Siouxsie, The Tear Garden, Tones on Tail to name a few. When that thread arose about the Fegs of yesteryear, the first person that came to mind was Drew, because I had just purchased the Cure's "Trilogy" DVD and I thought he'd be the only person who'd be interested in that. While I've never considered myself a "goth," nor ever dressed the part, I have always been a fan of certain artists within that genre, especially the Cure ("Three Imaginary Boys" is on my still incomplete Top 40 of the 70s list), Siouxsie, Joy Division ("Unknown Pleasures" is on there two), Dead Can Dance, Bauhaus and spin-offs, etc.; industrial groups like Nine Inch Nails, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, etc.,; and "ethereal" bands like the Cocteau Twins. I've been listening to a ton of Cure the past two weeks. Heck, I had The Glove on when I started reading Feg-messages this morning and "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" was on in my car on the way to work. I saw the Legendary Pink Dots once recently based on some friend's recommendations, and hated them. Sorry Mary. ;) >In addition to prog and goth music, I listen to ambient, electronica, >punk, new wave, alternative, and indie rock. I guess each genre reflects >different times of my life but I still love them all - I haven't given up >any as time goes by. Like Mary, prog (Eb often calls me "prog-boy") and goth/industrial/ethereal make up only a portion, for me probably a rather small one, of my musical tastes which include all of those styles listed by Mary as well as some "classic" rock, jazz, a teeny bit of country, hip-hop, synth-pop, classical, funk (I saw James Brown last night), David Bowie, David Bowie, David Bowie, Chinese pop and whatever else is out there. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Stuff The Forty: The B-52's Syd Barrett -- Barrett Blondie -- Parallel Lines David Bowie  Heroes Buzzcocks -- Singles Going Steady John Cale -- Fear The Clash (UK edition) Elvis Costello & The Attractions -- Armed Forces The Cure -- Three Imaginary Boys Devo -- Duty Now For The Future Nick Drake -- Five Leaves Left Bob Dylan -- Blood On The Tracks Brian Eno -- Discreet Music Peter Gabriel -- I Dont Need No Stinking Title, Volume One George Harrison -- All Things Must Pass Joy Division -- Unknown Pleasures Led Zeppelin -- Houses Of The Holy John Lennon -- Plastic Ono Band Bob Marley & The Wailers -- Exodus The Modern Lovers Iggy Pop -- Lust For Life Public Image Ltd. -- Metal Box /Second Edition Ramones -- Rocket To Russia Lou Reed -- Berlin The Rolling Stones -- Sticky Fingers Roxy Music -- For Your Pleasure The Sex Pistols -- Never Mind The Bollocks... Simon & Garfunkel -- Bridge Over Troubled Water Siouxsie & The Banshees -- The Scream Patti Smith -- Horses The Soft Boys -- Invisible Hits Split Enz -- True Colours T. Rex -- The Slider Talking Heads -- Fear Of Music Television -- Marquee Moon Tom Waits -- Closing Time The Who -- Who's Next Stevie Wonder -- Talking Book XTC -- Drums And Wires Neil Young & Crazy Horse -- Rust Never Sleeps I know Invisible Hits wasn't actually released until 82, but it should have been released in between ACOB and UM, so Im counting it. When I get around to getting the Nick Lowe albums from late 70s (at the moment, I have The Doings), I assume that one of them will steal a slot; same with a Richard and Linda Thompson 70s album (only have The Island Years, plus whatever stray tracks are on Dreams Fly Away and Watching The Dark). ===== James Dignan wrote: > This. Is. Difficult. Bound to miss some out here, since > this is just ones from my collection (I may be missing > some true classics): > > Singles going steady - Buzzcocks > > 2) I didn't include [single artist] compilation albums. Like hell you didn't! :) ===== Glen Uber wrote: > Catherine earnestly scribbled: > >Lenny Kravitz even though I > >can't stand Hendrix... > > Where'd this comparison come from? Because they're both > black and play guitar? I just don't understand the appeal > of LK. Because Kravitz is always desparately pushing the idea. As for Kravitz's appeal, I think it's basically the same as Justin Timberlake's -- its purely based on the physical attractiveness of the artist, not on the music at all. ===== "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Potential thread? Pairs of artists who are almost > universally mutually liked by the same people, but you > like one and dislike the other? > > I can't beat the guy I once knew who liked the Mighty > Lemon Drops and not Echo & the Bunnymen Based on an interview I read aeons ago, would that guy be the guitarist with TMLD (where, obviously, he said he couldn't stand E&TB)? In a weird synergy, I've been on a bit of a MLD kick the last couple days. But not Sound.... The closest I can think of for myself is I love Nirvana, like Smashing Pumpkins quite a bit, non-plussed by Pearl Jam, annoyed by Alice in Chains, truly detest Soundgarden. My sister, however, really likes Erasure but can't stand Yaz[oo] which is just too weird for words. ===== Eb wrote: > Like Cream and Derek & the Dominos, don't like Clapton. Is that really that odd though, given that most of Clapton's solo stuff has all the emotional investment of a lozenge commercial? It's almost like he's spent most of the last 30 years trying to prove that he most definitely is not God. > Or liking Love & Rockets and Tones > on Tail, but disliking Bauhaus? Maybe that's the biggie. Well, the differences between L&R and Bauhaus are incredibly clear really; if L&R weren't the three guys from Bauhaus who aren't Peter Murphy, I'm not all that sure many people would link them up at all since L&R are so heavily infused in psychedelia. Tones on Tail sounds a _lot_ more like Bauhaus AFAIC. > Oh, and I like Robyn Hitchcock, but dislike Julian Cope. > ;) Disliking Syd Barrett would work better. or liking Ian McCulloch/The Bunnymen. ===== "Rex.Broome" wrote: > I like the Flying Burrito Brothers but not the Eagles, > for the most part. Well this is really like enjoying good wine, so you can longer just settle for thunderbird. > I love REM but I wouldn't piss on Live if they were on > fire. Why on earth do people think Live sound like R.E.M.? It's even more ludicrous than the Hendrix/Kravitz comparison I think. It's like those hideous vermin kept saying they were a lot like R.E.M. so much that people just gave in and stopped arguing with them. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:45:43 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: New Zealand Legalizes Brothels At 02:52 AM 6/26/2003 -0700, Marc Holden wrote: >Yet another reason for a Feg gathering at James' house. Oh... if *THAT'S* what you're looking for, you can throw the party at my place. I'm only about a half-hour drive away from Tijuana. Just follow all the marines and navy-boys. And, look, sodomy is finally deemed a constitutional right here in the US: http://apnews.myway.com//article/20030626/D7RTGSF00.html - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:23:06 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: 40 70s, late as usual Just had to chime in before even finishing all the digests. Mostly repeats of other people's, but this is what I actually listened to in the 70s, hence no Soft Boys, no John Cale, no Joy Division, ... a lot of punk stuff I didn't get into until 1980. The 70s was late teens, early 20s for me, so a lot of the time was spent still discovering basics, like jazz, classical, or 60s stuff -- Yardbirds, early Who, & Nuggets-type stuff. harrison - all things must pass dylan - blood on the tracks [new morning?][lyrics a bit weaker on this, but the vocal performance!] stones - ya yas [some girls?] who - won't get fooled again dead - american beauty jefferson starship - blows against the empire faces - nod is as good as a wink lennon - plastic ono crosby - if only I could remember my name hot tuna - first pull up jack bruce - harmony row [now re-released! re-mastered! rave! rave!] procol - exotic birds and fruit bowie - ziggy stardust t-rex - slider zappa - apostrophe genesis - lamb lies down gabriel - windshield eno - warm jets reed - transformer ry cooder - into the purple valley taj mahal - natchel blues leo kottke - greenhouse little feat - sailing shoes stevie wonder - inner visions isley brothers - 3+3 clapton - 461 ocean blvd. beck - blow by blow toots & the maytals - funky kingston joni mitchell - hegira randy newman - good old boys ["last nite I saw Lester Maddox on a tv show" - cause he died!] jackson brown - late for the sky [take that, Cat Stevens & Paul Simon!] young - zuma modern lovers - 1st ramones - rocket to russia costello - armed forces talking heads - buildings and food television - adventure nick lowe - pure pop teardrop explodes - kilamanjaro kinks - low budget Ross Taylor "I wish I had a tiny island ..." Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:38:46 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Denis Thatcher, 88. no more tinctures, then. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:43:25 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re: 40 70s, late as usual >teardrop explodes - kilimanjaro Oh, that was 1980 (but I bought it right away). Strike that & substitute "Repeat When Necessary" by Dave Edmunds, 1979. Ross Taylor (Yay, Albert Lee on "Sweet Little Lisa"!) Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:06:09 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: Goth 'n' Robyn Mary said: >>Due to my love for all things dark and beautiful I tend to think of myself >>as "goth-ish." My favourite band is Joy Division and I love Bauhaus, The >>Cure, Dead Can Dance, The Legendary Pink Dots, Love Spirals Downward, >>Ministry, Siouxsie, The Tear Garden, Tones on Tail to name a few. AND >>I have no claim to queen-dom but I am "lightly-pierced-sometimes >>purple, sometimes neon red, sometimes pink-haired" All I can respond with is, Mary, I don't know you, but I think I love you ;)Nice to know I'm not alone... - - Catherine (who finally has a fellow Robyn fan who could appreciate her Bauhaus logo tattoo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:13:19 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Kravitz is Krap So noted. - - Catherine "The Heretic" Simpson - -----Original Message----- From: Iosso, Ken [mailto:Ken.Iosso@CO.RAMSEY.MN.US] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:32 AM To: Catherine Simpson; 'crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com'; fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: Kravitz is Krap Oh and Kravitz completely sucks - to put his name in the same sentence with Hendrix is heresy Ken Iosso ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:28:33 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Goth 'n' Robyn At 10:06 AM 6/26/2003 -0700, Catherine Simpson wrote: >who finally has a fellow Robyn fan who could appreciate her >Bauhaus logo tattoo OK, I'll come out of the goth closet a little more. I've got a fairly large black Eye of Horus tattoo on my upper left arm. I even stole had the tattoo artist steal the design from a Sisters of Mercy album cover, although he tweaked it a bit. Oh, and I smoked cloves during my high school years. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:28:08 -0400 From: mary Subject: Re: Goth 'n' Robyn At 10:06 AM 6/26/2003 -0700, Catherine wrote: >All I can respond with is, Mary, I don't know you, but I think I love you >;)Nice to know I'm not alone... There are several more of us on the list. Chris Gross and Quail and Drew who used to be on the list but are no more, all appreciate the goth side of life. I'm sure there are more lurking out there - we know you are there, come on out and play... I see no problem with the idea that folks who like Robyn have goth tendencies. A lot of his songs deal with the darker side of life, it's really only in the last couple of years that he seems to be writing more about upbeat topics. And I definitely prefer my song writers to be heartbroken, grief stricken, and angst ridden! >- Catherine (who finally has a fellow Robyn fan who could appreciate her >Bauhaus logo tattoo) I was curious as to what your tattoo was. I'm considering getting one - a nice celtic knotwork band around my wrist. I still haven't come up with a design that isn't too generic though. : ) s.Mary np - The Future Sound of London - "ISDN" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:46:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Goth question considered yet again Back to the Goth question... I mentioned briefly that I didn't quite comprehend what the genre *was* (apart from the obscure modern self-identified Goth bands mentioned here), and I figgered out what half my problem is. When I first heard many of the bands now classified as founding Goth bands, I'd never even heard the term "Goth" as a musical genre. Specifically, in my hometown, everything from hardcore punk to Depeche Mode and Violent Femmes was known socially as "pinhead music" (or occasionally "fag music"). But to me, musically, when I first heard Bauhaus and Joy Division, that was another form of postpunk music. Ain't that different from early Sonic Youth or even some of those scratchy, scrappy Gang of Four or Feelies-type stuff. Postpunk. Siouxsie was punk that went on to be postpunk. The Cure was of a piece with the "beat combo" end of things... I think you can go from the Cure to the Chameleons to the Church to even, say, the dB's without too much whiplash. Cocteau Twins were there own thing, kind of the flipside to the Jesus & Mary Chain. Later, I come to find out that some of these bands are considered Goth and some are not, but I never worked out the sorting system, and I still connect the bands individually with other (and disparate) non-Goth lineages. Hence the confusion. Gene Loves Jezebel, the Mission UK, Dead or Alive, Depeche Mode, that stuff to me was just shit (or, politely, uninteresting and unresonant) so it didn't matter. Now, as social experiment, let's look at the self-professed eclectic tastes of the list's self-professed Goths (understanding that genre labels are always iffy): Mary: >>In addition to prog and goth music, I listen to ambient, electronica, punk, >>new wave, alternative, and indie rock. Chris Gross: >>I'm also fond of a lot of punk, 80s and 90s college and alternative rock, heavy >>metal, electronica, Phish (though most other jam bands get a big Eh from me), >>new wave/synthpop and cheesy 80s pop, many prog groups, and even some >>classic rock. Where I part company with these lists as follows: 1) I don't like prog and loathe heavy metal. 2) Despite advocating for the '80's as a better musical decade than most think it was, I wouldn't profess to liking "new wave" or particularly anything you might call "cheesy". The good music of the '80's (in my opinion) was too good to be bogged down by the likes of Duran Duran, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, or any number of Kajagoogoo-level one-hit novelty "artists". 3) I wallow in the great music of the '60's as many around here do. The obvious Beatles and Dylan etc. but, as with many Fegs, I've got lots of Kinks, Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, Love, etc. etc., folk revival stuff, loads of psych compilations, that kind of thing. Taken with the Velvet Underground and other "proto-punk" bands, that's the collective cornerstone of my collection. 4) CBGB in the trad sense: Country, Bluegrass and Blues. Rootsier stuff. Can't live without it. It's in the blood. And if you want music to slit your wrists by, it's unbeatable, but it doesn't seem to register as goth-friendly (although c'mon, some of y'all like Patsy Cline, right?) So basically I like old stuff and I'm a snob against popular things. Guess we haven't learned anything new today after all. (smiley emoticon here if I used them) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:38:47 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Watch your ass, Greg! Butt sex in Texas now legal!! http://apnews.myway.com//article/20030626/D7RTI8N00.html - -tc, planning my trip to the ranch in Crawford... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:56:21 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Decisions, decisions So Canada's got legal pot and gay marriage... ...and New Zealand's got the legal whores, and hobbits. If only we could have all four. America sucks, dude. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:45:03 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Goth 'n' Robyn First, Mary said: >>I was curious as to what your tattoo was. The Bauhaus logo is one of 5 I currently have. The others are decidedly celestial in nature (a lavendar & grey half-moon w/face, a green/purple starburst, a purple/black sun, and a 3" diameter sun/moon combo w/face). >>I'm considering getting one - a nice celtic knotwork band around my wrist. I still haven't >>come up with a design that isn't too generic though. I haven't gotten a new one in about 6 years - I'm considering a celtic cross, but same problem - everything seems too generic. Oh, and anyone who tells you that getting a tattoo is excruciating is exaggerating; but, by the same token, anyone who tells you that it doesn't really hurt, is either lying or has an unusually high love for/tolerance for pain ;) THEN, Jason offered: >>OK, I'll come out of the goth closet a little more. I've got a fairly >>large black Eye of Horus tattoo on my upper left arm. I even stole had the >>tattoo artist steal the design from a Sisters of Mercy album cover, >>although he tweaked it a bit. I know exactly with S.o.M. cover you're talking about - I thought of using that same design, once. Nice choice! And I agree with Mary's assessment that "I see no problem with the idea that folks who like Robyn have goth tendencies. A lot of his songs deal with the darker side of life" - I've never felt that the two were incongruous, either, but thought perhaps no one else shared that view, since I've not, until now, come across others sharing that opinion. I feel more "at home" on this list than ever... Thanks :) - - Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: The ME decade, by ME On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Catherine Simpson wrote: > I'd like to pose the following question... am I the only one on this > list whose ear's bleed at the sound of Bob Dylan? I don't know if I actually bleed, but I sure can't stand the stuff. Honestly, I think he's not only unpleasant in sound, but lyrically dull (or downright facile) and "samey" doesn't even begin to describe him. > I've been told that it's insane that I like Robyn Hitchcock but not > Dylan, and, for that matter, Lenny Kravitz even though I can't stand > Hendrix... Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind > Dylan-as-performed-by-Hitchcock (though I just couldn't make myself pay > actual money to buy "Robyn Sings"), I just think Dylan should have kept > his mouth shut and let others sing his fine songs. Whaddya think? What's > so compelling about Dylan that everyone overlooks the fact that he can't > sing? I don't like Hendrix, either... though I'm not too familiar with Kravitz. I think there's a sentimental hero-worship at work here that I don't really understand. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:08:37 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions >From: "Rex.Broome" >Subject: Decisions, decisions >Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:56:21 -0700 >So Canada's got legal pot and gay marriage... >...and New Zealand's got the legal whores, and hobbits. >If only we could have all four. >America sucks, dude. It would be ideal for marrying a stoned, gay, short prostitute. Max _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:23:45 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: A quick one for the Goths Yo, do Goths like the Fall? The "Witch Trials" album has that brittle trebly minor key thing going on and, like, witches... the early stuff seems viable. Oh, and I had purple hair m'self for a while. It was essentially inspired by Miki Berenyi but looked like an early grunge thing because of my taste in shirts at the time. I'm kinda pissed that my dad didn't book a gig for our band that year. I woulda really enjoyed playing "Okie from Muskogee" while sporting a magenta pageboy cut. But ya can't have everything. Rex, leading the list in posts mentioning both Haggard and Mark E. Smith for the past 10 seconds ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:20:38 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Stuff Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > Why on earth do people think Live sound like R.E.M.? It's > even more ludicrous than the Hendrix/Kravitz comparison I > think. It's like those hideous vermin kept saying they were > a lot like R.E.M. so much that people just gave in and > stopped arguing with them. Agreed - Live is much more like the annoying younger brother of the fourth-generation Pearl Jam knockoffs. Completely insufferable - especially that "Jesus, put a shirt on" singer. Speaking of, you wrote: > The closest I can think of for myself is I love Nirvana, > like Smashing Pumpkins quite a bit, non-plussed by Pearl > Jam, annoyed by Alice in Chains, truly detest Soundgarden. I have trouble putting these acts together much, except by geography/timeframe. I'll give you Alice in Chains as a halfway point between PJ and Soundgarden - but what always irked me about so-called "grunge" is that the three most commercially popular exponents thereof (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden) sound absolutely nothing like one another (except, perhaps, in being influenced by "the seventies" - which is to say, so broadly as to be meaningless). Almost as annoying as metal vocalists, btw, is the yarling begun by Vedder: sounds as if they're trying to hold a half-pint of water in their mouth while singing. Who was that hideously awful band from Florida...they had a minor hit called "Cumbersome" which, somehow, came out "cawwwwm-brrr-soohhhmmm" - god that was awful. Of course, *current* top-forty radio (runs out of the room in search of sink, garbage can, toilet, bucket, etc.) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:35:19 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: Goth 'n' Robyn Oops! Forgot to add this to my "Gee, I love you Goths" last post... Christopher Gross said: >>"I enjoy quite a lot of music that's generally considered >>goth or industrial, including Bauhaus, Siouxsie, The Cure, Joy Division, >>Sisters of Mercy, Dead Can Dance, Skinny Puppy, Einsturzende Neubauten, >>Ministry, Laibach, all the usual suspects, plus other bands unknown >>outside of the genre ghetto: Ikon, Switchblade Symphony, Sunshine Blind, >>Wumpscut, Die Krupps, Faith and the Muse, Black Tape for a Blue Girl..." "Genre Ghetto" - good description. Hardly anyone mentions Switchblade Symphony anymore, unfortunately. One of my favorite bands! Last time I saw them they were opening for Gary Numan - that was an interesting twist. Two of my favorite (musical) things in one - Goth and 80's. - - Catherine (who will shut up and go back to lurking soon, I promise) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:43:17 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The Goth question considered yet again Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > 2) Despite advocating for the '80's as a better musical decade than most > think it was, I wouldn't profess to liking "new wave" or particularly > anything you might call "cheesy". The good music of the '80's (in my > opinion) was too good to be bogged down by the likes of Duran Duran I will here defend at least the first two Duran Duran albums as having at least several songs that are quite well written and arranged, much better than yr average one-hit wonder bands. Just as one example, check out the bassline during the verses in "Rio." Furthermore: I don't recall being familiar with the song "The Seventh Stranger" - but when I heard the Wrens' cover version, it immediately sounded to me like a Duran Duran song. That is, they had some sort of compositional distinctiveness, something I value in an artist. On the other hand, is there a dumber name than "Kajagoogoo"? (Uh-oh...new thread...) As for prog: I confess to having grown up with, not quite as intensely as Rex grew up w/country, but something like that. Certainly the genre has its execrable and/or laughable moments (like every time Greg Lake opened his mouth - I'm in a minority in wishing *anyone* else had sung on the first King Crimson album), but I think one dismisses the whole genre (or lumps it all together as the same) at peril to their musical enjoyment. Also, I've come to think of it historically, tracing it back to its roots in psychedelia (love), British folk (certainly a lot of folks here should like that), and of course experimental, late-period Beatles (also like). I think doing that makes it seem less like a stereotype ("hey - let's write a suite about hobbits in seven different time signatures!") and more like music that, on its own terms and in its own time, has much of value to offer, along with the inevitable failures, datedness, etc. But then, I'm batshit insane. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad np: Violeta de Outono _Woman on the Mountain_ (Brazilian psych, a bit modernized) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:52:28 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: Goth 'n' Robyn Catherine offers: > "Genre Ghetto" - good description. Hardly anyone mentions Switchblade > Symphony anymore, unfortunately. One of my favorite bands! Last time I saw > them they were opening for Gary Numan - that was an interesting twist. Two > of my favorite (musical) things in one - Goth and 80's. You know, I haven't thought of him in ages but last night at the Wire show some guy was wearing a Gary Numan tour t-shirt. It was a couple years old (2001?) but looked brand new - gotta believe that one doesn't get a lot of daily wear. I saw a couple Buzzcocks tees, a skateboard or two, and a scattering of goth chicks as well. Oh, and a pudgy dude in a Wall Drug tee which amused my concert-mate (from South Dakota) to no end. And Wire kicked some serious ass, though for all of about 50 minutes. Michael "maybe an hour, including two intermissions" Wells ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #238 ********************************