From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #231 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, June 23 2003 Volume 12 : Number 231 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Litterbug ["Stewart C. Russell" ] CDDB B Illin' ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Luxor artwork [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Luxor artwork [Eb ] Re: CDDB B Illin' [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: CDDB B Illin' [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: more song influences [Aaron Mandel ] Please be nice to suckers who buy lame best-of comps! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Luxor artwork ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Stone Roses backwards and forwards [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: CDDB B Illin' [Eb ] Re: CDDB B Illin' [Eb ] Original Feggy Songs Compilation ["Rex.Broome" ] Deep Natural [John Barrington Jones ] Response from Gracenote (CDDB) [Ken Weingold ] Re: Luxor artwork [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Top 40 of The '70s [Tom Clark ] 40 from the 70s [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: Top 40 of The '70s ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] yes, but who's got all the tunes? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:36:17 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Litterbug Brian wrote: > > If I had silly > money ... I'd start a > campaign against cigarette butt littering. no need; there are already campaigns by cyclists and motorcyclists. Ever been hit by one of these things? Ow! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:49:16 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: CDDB B Illin' So let me get this straight... you've got some vinyl, you digitize it, break the tracks up however you see fit, burn it to a disc, and the CDDB *recognizes* it? That seems spooky. What would be even better would be if you digitized, say, your answering machine messages and then logged on to find track titles like "Aunt Mabel Inquires About Your Visit"; "Mike Will Be A Little Late"; "Phillipino Man Erroneously Attempts to Contact Ernesto"... Does "New Day Rising" point you towards the official SST CD issue (which I bet sounds worse than your vinyl rip does and certainly has some different run times)? So, if you take a disc that's been issued twice, different mixes and masters but no bonus tracks, would it dither between the two issues? (Offhand the RCA and Virgin issues of several Bowie records should be this way, and the Virgin and Collectors Choice versions of Verlaine's solo record)... I'm with Eb in not finding the resource itself very compelling, but this ghost-in-the-machine stuff is interesting... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:43:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Luxor artwork On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Ethyl Ketone wrote: > When I first got Luxor I was VERY turned off by the cover and > immediately did what I do often with cds, changed the page so another > image was on the cover. There's an idea: which recordings do folks own, even like, but which have awful, even embarrassing covers? (One advantage of CDs: you *can* do what the organic compound above suggests.) I'm not at home, so I'm relying on possibly faulty memory - but even though I don't recall anything wrong w/the Joy Division _Substance_ compilation, I've always preferred the sort of white, pyramid poolcue-like image on the front instead. And then there's Xiu Xiu's _A Promise_...in some ways, the censored version is worse than the uncensored, in that it only draws attention to itself... Oh - and the US version of Golden Earring's _Moontan_ with the giant, stupidly obvious closeup of an ear with a drawn-on (groan) golden earring surely wins MCA bonus points for "Jeezus, you made money on 'Radar Love'; if you're too squeamish to put blue nude women on the cover at least hire an actual artist to do something nice"... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:47:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Luxor artwork >There's an idea: which recordings do folks own, even like, but which have >awful, even embarrassing covers? Tori Amos/Strange Little Girls. Oh, wait...you were talking about *album* covers, weren't you? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:49:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: CDDB B Illin' On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > So, if you take a disc that's been issued twice, different mixes and masters > but no bonus tracks, would it dither between the two issues? (Offhand the > RCA and Virgin issues of several Bowie records should be this way, and the > Virgin and Collectors Choice versions of Verlaine's solo record)... Since the basis is some combination of the number of tracks and the length, it may well not recognize a difference. But since CDDB is based upon entries made by consumers, what you often will get is something like "several inexact matches found" and a selection (usually of the same title with minor variations: spelling, punctuation, etc.). Then there are the morons who put music in completely inappropriate genres (of course, I think it's stupid to any music in genres...a couple of times I've made things up like "thrash post-polka"), and morons like me who are offended by that and resubmit the album w/o the offensive label (yes, Idiot at AMG who thought the Wrens' _Silver_ was "blues," I mean you). I still don't get why Eb would *want* to spend the time typing info into his database when the option exists not to...although if he has a dial-up connection, I can sorta see it. All I know is, if I got an iPod and wanted to rip a whole mess of CDs, even two minutes per album would add up real fast: 100 albums, more than three hours of (pointless) typing - avoidable by hitting alt-G in EAC. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:54:51 +0200 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: CDDB B Illin' On Lunedl, giu 23, 2003, at 19:49 Europe/Rome, Rex.Broome wrote: > What would be even better would be if you digitized, say, your > answering > machine messages and then logged on to find track titles like "Aunt > Mabel > Inquires About Your Visit"; "Mike Will Be A Little Late"; "Phillipino > Man > Erroneously Attempts to Contact Ernesto"... > Now THIS sounds interesting!!!! Mark Pauline did something like that for "sound" at a bunch of his shows. That and digitizing cell phone conversations and playing them behind the sound of the machines/robots. And I really like the use of the cb conversations on Hooverphonic's "New Stereophonic Sound Spectacular." Maybe not original (I can think of plenty of film/tv sampling by lots of bands) but works. I have all the tapes for several years of phone messages. Hmmm.... sounds like a project... - - c, end of posting for the god-awful-hot day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: more song influences On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > No, I think it was manual -- wasn't it? It's not my favourite TMBG > track, so I haven't listened to it in a while, but I'm pretty sure > Linnell is singing, not Llennil. You might think -- at least, I thought -- that it couldn't both be "Thunderbird" backward *and* be sung directly by Linnell. But I tested it, and apparently it is; OEMN backward is recognizably "Thunderbird", but is just as recognizably the result of taking a human voice and reversing it once, regardless of how the voice was trying to sound in the first place. http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/feg-tmbg-test has mp3s of "On Earth My Nina" (as released on Long Tall Weekend), "Thunderbird" (the best live version I had on hand -- is there a studio one?) and "On Earth My Nina" as reversed by sox. Pretty neat. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:26:15 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Please be nice to suckers who buy lame best-of comps! >>and what is up with another lou reed compilation? is this really necessary? And must it be named, again, as if it's an alias for Reed Himself? "Lou Reed, NYC Man". "Lou Reed, Rock 'N' Roll Animal". I guess it wouldn't do to suggest the nickname by which he's most recently and frequently been known around here! And another thing about Lou comps, and this goes for a lot of solo artists whe spring from seminal-but-short-lived early bands: Leave the Velvets stuff off. We all have that stuff. If we don't we can get their own damned best-of. What not everyone has or wants is every single Lou solo album. But we might want the one good song off "Mistrial" instead of another damn copy of "Sweet Jane (Album Version)". I'm always irritated by the five or so arbitrary Big Star or Stooges tunes taking up space on my Chilton/Iggy solo comps which I bought because I don't need either's whole solo catalogs. ___ Aaron: >>I always liked Linnell's backward singing on They Might Be Giants songs, >>but I was under the impression it was done 'manually' -- as in, he just >>sang things that sounded like backward tape loops. Wow, he sings using his *hands*? That beats the ass out of plain old "backwards" any day. He definitely fakes backwards sometimes ("Which Describes What You're Feeling?"). But the idea reminds me more of the classic dB's lineup who did it in harmony and called it "dive-bombing"-- cf. "Dynamite" among others. Those there are some good records. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:20:13 -0400 From: mary Subject: Re: Luxor artwork At 10:47 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, Eb quipped: >>There's an idea: which recordings do folks own, even like, but which have >>awful, even embarrassing covers? > >Tori Amos/Strange Little Girls. > >Oh, wait...you were talking about *album* covers, weren't you? > >Eb You forgot to add the comedic drum bit (not sure how that is written out though). : ) I almost added Tori to that short list of covers I just sent. As for embarrassing covers, most likely this site has quite a few: mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:33:31 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Luxor artwork Jeffrey wrote: > > There's an idea: which recordings do folks own, > even like, but which have > awful, even embarrassing covers? pretty much everything by Of Montreal. Unfortunately, being good and green E6ers, they mostly use an irreversible cardboard cover. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Stone Roses backwards and forwards Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, James Dignan wrote: > > There's a Stone Roses song that is another SR song > > backwards ("Waterfall" is the latter). > > Isn't it actually "Elephant Stone" and "Full Fathom > Five"? They did it three times: Elephant Stone -> Full Fathom Five Waterfall -> Don't Stop (back to back on TSR album) Made of Stone -> Guernica that latter of which is least known because Guernica is pretty rare, not having been put on The Complete Stone Roses or Turns to Stone compilations for some reason (I have it on the japanese only "What the World is Waiting For" 6-song ep). Too bad, it's probably the best turn around track. Of course, MOS is the best of the three forwards songs as well (though the longer version of ES gives it a run for it's money). ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:43:06 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: CDDB B Illin' >All I know is, if I got an iPod and wanted >to rip a whole mess of CDs, even two minutes per album >would add up real fast: 100 albums, more than three hours of >(pointless) typing I guess I'm underestimating just how much time people spend burning CDs. I still haven't burnt a music CD for myself. I have about 22 Rufus Wainwright MP3s which I've considered burning to a disc, but then I think "Hrm, they keep saying CD-Rs don't last long as CDs, and if that CD-R dies, it will be a major hassle to find all those rarities again...." I've used that GraceNote website a few times as reference, and being a pickyperfectionist, I wasn't too impressed with the accuracy of their song titles. Definitive articles (the, an, a) were left off the beginnings of titles...various other little mistakes.... Clearly not infallible. Here's an exercise, since we could use a legit music thread: List your 40 essential '70s albums, with no more than one album per artist. A friend and I were playing around with this the other night, but I'm not going to post my list unless no one else does. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:46:06 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: CDDB B Illin' > A friend and I were playing around with this the other night, but >I'm not going to post my list unless no one else does. ;) Uh, substitute "if" for "unless." Carry on. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:58:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Original Feggy Songs Compilation Having gotten interest from Greg, Matt, and Nuppy on this idea, I think I'll proceed with it, especially since it's easier than anything for me to do this kind of thing, and I think it'll be entertaining even if it's just the four of us. Any other takers? I know we have more writers and performers out there. I absolutely do not care *what* kind of thing you want to contribute as long as it is reproducible audio, and basically self-made. Format doesn't matter as I can digitize just about anything. And I don't care how old it us (he said, hoping for some of those wonderful teenage demos we've just been bragging about), nor is fidelity or musical style especially an issue. Time on the final product to be shared as evenly as possible between contributors (that is, if there's just for of us, we all get up to five or six tracks). Final disc won't be up to, say, Bayard standards, but will include half-ass artwork inlaid in a standard jewel case and (knowing me) something resembling liner notes. I'll mail 'em out for trades or other incredibly nominal compensation; freebies for all who contribute. Let the fegstivities begin. Rex Broome, Astonishing Panda Inferno Records. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:00:14 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: CDDB B Illin' On Mon, Jun 23, 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > So let me get this straight... you've got some vinyl, you digitize it, break > the tracks up however you see fit, burn it to a disc, and the CDDB > *recognizes* it? Exactly. Spooky indeed. > Does "New Day Rising" point you towards the official SST CD issue (which I > bet sounds worse than your vinyl rip does and certainly has some different > run times)? Official SST CD issue as opposed to what? And you are correct. I bet that my vinyl transfer does sound better than the pathetic SST CD issues. Greg Ginn is a dick, too. Ryko, who also put out Sugar and the next couple of Bob Mould albums after, wanted to buy the rights to the SST Husker Du catalog to clean up and reissue. Ginn wouldn't let it go and the asshole is just sitting on it. Ryko could have done such a nice job. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:19:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Deep Natural Hi Fegs - I just purchased a used copy of Michelle Shocked's Deep/Dub Natural. There isn't any notes, listings or credits at all to be found in the packaging. Am I missing a booklet or something? Or was this how it was shipped. There doesn't really seem to be a place for a booklet, both slots of the paper-type packaging are taken up with the discs. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:55:59 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Response from Gracenote (CDDB) Cool. I wasn't even expecting a reply. Sad these days that more often than not you don't. - ----- Forwarded message from Julie Holabird ----- X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.54 (1.174.2.17-2003-05-11-exp) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:43:10 -0700 From: "Julie Holabird" To: "Ken Weingold" Subject: RE: vinyl -> CD works in CDDB! Hello Ken, Yes, I've heard of this before. Either you are very accurate in your burn, or your application is using our Fuzzy Matching to look up the nearest disc. Or both! It's pretty cool when it works just right. Thanks much, Julie Holabird support@gracenote.com Gracenote (Home of CDDB) Support http://www.gracenote.com - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Weingold [mailto:bofh@unix.vi] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 5:55 AM To: Gracenote Support Subject: vinyl -> CD works in CDDB! Hi there. I realized that some of my records I had digitized and burned to CD were actually being labeled correctly by the CDDB. That's pretty incredible to me. I know that it uses the CD's TOC for matching, but is there a window that it allows or am I spot on for splitting the tracks? Thanks. - -Ken - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:53:12 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Luxor artwork Quoting mary : > As for embarrassing covers, most likely this site has quite a few: > > The problem I have w/this site so far is that they seem to assume that if an album is bizarre (i.e., something titled _Bongos Bongos Bongos Bongos Bongos Bongos_) ipso facto its cover is bizarre. Actually, the cover of this album is a decent piece of sixties typography-based design. A lot of the fifties records (the belly dancing one) are perfectly normal covers for that era...but we live in a different era... The first item, though - the one whose title the site doesn't know - that's another story... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:12:24 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Top 40 of The '70s on 6/23/03 11:43 AM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > > Here's an exercise, since we could use a legit music thread: List > your 40 essential '70s albums, with no more than one album per > artist. A friend and I were playing around with this the other night, > but I'm not going to post my list unless no one else does. ;) > Holy Shit, this wasn't easy, and it probably could be revised three or four times. But here they are, in no particular order: Jeff Beck - Blow By Blow Led Zeppelin - Houses Of The Holy The Ramones - The Ramones Graham Parker - Stick To Me Nick Lowe - Labour Of Lust Television - Marquee Moon Brinsley Schwarz - Silver Pistol Lou Reed - Transformer Beatles - Let It Be Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers David Bowie - Heroes Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady The Clash - London Calling The Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks Elvis Costello - My Aim Is True Big Star - Third/Sister Lovers The Soft Boys - A Can Of Bees Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All Pink Floyd - Welcome To The Machine Yes - Yessongs Lynyrd Skynyrd - One More From The Road Talking Heads - Talking Heads: 77 Iggy Pop - Lust For Life The Stooges - Fun House The Doors - L.A. Woman Black Sabbath - Paranoid ELP - Brain Salad Surgery The Only Ones - Special View Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps Robin Trower - Bridge Of Sighs Allman Brothers - Eat A Peach The Jam - In The City DEVO: Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! Pere Ubu: The Modern Dance Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure Jethro Tull - Aqualung The Velvet Underground - Loaded Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks Joni Mitchell - Court And Spark - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:41:01 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: 40 from the 70s Quoting Eb : > Here's an exercise, since we could use a legit music thread: List > your 40 essential '70s albums, with no more than one album per > artist. A friend and I were playing around with this the other night, > but I'm not going to post my list unless no one else does. ;) The interesting thing about the seventies is, for someone like me who grew up in that decade particularly, the historical remove is such that it's very hard in some cases to distinguish between "classic"/influential and, uh, whatever else "essential" might mean. I tried to choose things I actually listen to, or w/o which the eighties/nineties/uh-ohs would be significantly different (to the extent that even if I don't listen to the record all that often, I do anyway...). Anyway, I think this is a pretty conventional list...although I'm sure there are reams of titles on _Rolling Stone_ etc.'s list not here. I make no apologies for the fact that I primarily listen to rock, and that that rock is primarily done by white people. I'm not going to put on token titles; sorry. I'm sure some of you actually listen to a lot of '70s music by black and other artists (and fwiw, several just barely missed my cut anyway). So (asterisks mean comments below): All Mod Cons - The Jam All the Young Dudes - Mott the Hoople All Things Must Pass - George Harrison* Armed Forces - Elvis Costello & the Attractions Blank Generation - Richard Hell & the Voidoids Blood on the Tracks - Bud Dolan Born to Run - Brett Saperstein Cars - The Cars* Chairs Missing - Wire* Close to the Edge - Yes Closer - Joy Division Meddle - Pink Floyd Drums and Wires - XTC Einstein on the Beach - Philip Glass Ensemble Entertainment! - Gang of Four Exile on Main Street - Roland Stoves Here Come the Warm Jets - Brian Eno Horses - Patti Smith Layla - Derek & the Dominos London Calling - The Clash Low - David Bowie Madman Across the Water - Elton John* Man-Machine - Kraftwerk Marquee Moon - Television Modern Dance - Pere Ubu More Songs about Buildings and Food - Talking Heads Music for 18 Musicians - Steve Reich Never Mind the Bollocks - Sex Pistols* One Size Fits All - Frank Zappa & the Mothers Paris 1919 - John Cale Ramones - Ramones Raw Power - Iggy & the Stooges Roxy Music - Roxy Music Second Edition (Metal Box) - Public Image Ltd.* Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller) - Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band Squeezing Out Sparks - Graham Parker & the Rumour Third Reich'n'Roll - The Residents Third/Sister Lovers - Big Star* What's Going On - Marvin Gaye Who's Next - The Who * Harrison: this would have been even better pared down to a double-LP (a single CD's worth, probably). Sentimentally I wanted to put something by Lennon on here...but you know, I just don't listen to it much, as brilliant as _Plastic Ono Band_ is. * Cars: no I'm not joking. Everyone likes to diss this as oh-so-disposable, the polite face of punk calling itself "new wave," etc. etc. But it's an impeccably constructed record, catchy as hell - and to my ears, very little about it dates poorly. * Wire: everyone wants to list _Pink Flag_, probably...but I think I listen to _Chairs Missing_ the most of the first three - all of which are essential, but Eb said "one album per artist," so... Elton: He put out reams and reams of crap before and since, but at his peak, he put out some very solid, catchy, and well-arranged songs. This album gets the nod, for being fairly dark (esp. for a top-forty artist) and because of Paul Buckmaster's cello-centric string arrangements (hey, I love cello!). Sex Pistols: How often do I listen to this? Not that very. How much of the last three decades of music would be possible w/o it? Not much. Q.E.D. "essential." PIL: Quibble if you must - but PIL's a totally different band from the Pistols. Should be on here for Jah Wobble's enormous, dubby bass alone - and what he does with it: I could listen to the riff from "Pop Tones" all by itself for hours. Big Star: Again, most folks would opt for _Radio City_ (or even the first, for Chris Bell fans) - but this one's far weirder and emotionally resonant for me. Realistically, RC and this are essential - but them's the rules... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:59:44 -0700 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Top 40 of The '70s Here goes this was hard! AC/DC - Highway to Hell Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice - Jesus Christ Superstar Art Garfunkel - Angel Clare Beach Boys - Love You Big Star - #1 Record Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks Brian Eno - Another Green World Brinsley Schwarz - The New Adventures of Brinsley Schwarz Cheap Trick - Heaven Tonight David Bowie - Station to Station Elvis Costello and the Attractions - This Years Model Genesis - Foxtrot George Harrison - All Things Must Pass Gram Parsons - GP Joe Jackson - I'm the Man Lou Reed - Coney Island Baby Nick Lowe - The Jesus of Cool Paul McCartney - Ram Paul Simon - Paul Simon Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel II (Scratch) Randy Newman - Good Old Boys Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street Roxy Music - Roxy Music Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks... Split Enz - Mental Notes Squeeze - Cool For Cats Talking Heads - More Songs about Buildings and Food Television - Marquee Moon The Clash - London Calling The Jam - All Mod Cons The Kinks - Preservation Act 1 The Ramones - The Ramones The Soft Boys - A Can of Bees The Velvet Underground - Loaded The Who - Quadrophenia Todd Rundgren - A Wizard, A True Star Tom Waits - Small Change T-Rex - Electric Warrior Van Morrison - St. Dominic's Preview XTC - Drums and Wires ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:59:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: 40 from the 70s >Jason Brown: >Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice - Jesus Christ Superstar >Art Garfunkel - Angel Clare >David Bowie - Station to Station >Lou Reed - Coney Island Baby >The Kinks - Preservation Act 1 Yer weerd. ;) And Tom! A Skynyrd fan! Who da thunk it? Jeffrey: >The interesting thing about the seventies is, for someone like me who grew >up in that decade particularly, the historical remove is such that it's very >hard in some cases to distinguish between "classic"/influential and, uh, >whatever else "essential" might mean. I tried to choose things I actually >listen to Oh, I definitely was leaning toward YOUR essential albums, rather than the more academic/historical approach. You listed 13 albums in common with my list, which is fairly high. And I think I *own* all but eight of yours. >PIL: Quibble if you must - but PIL's a totally different band from the >Pistols. My quibble isn't that PIL is the same band as the Pistols (of course not), but that Second Edition came out in 1980. I believe Metal Box came out at the end of 1979 so *that* is eligible, but ehhh, maybe you should just skip it and put Second Edition on your '80s list. ;) >Big Star: Again, most folks would opt for _Radio City_ (or even the first, >for Chris Bell fans) - but this one's far weirder and emotionally resonant >for me. I used to rate Sister Lovers higher (at least partially because discovering that album was a real "event" for me), but when making my list, I felt like I've been leaning more toward Radio City lately. I similarly switched from Low to Ziggy Stardust. I'd rather listen to Low *right now*, but if this is sort of a "Desert Island" concept, I figure Ziggy would wear better in the long run. Intriguing to see those votes for Brinsley Schwarz. I don't know if I've heard that band at all. I've never found a reason to embrace Nick Lowe...maybe Schwarz would convince me? Looking at the AllMusic site, I also see that the band released a few more albums than I would have guessed. Hm. My list was: 801/801 Live Big Star/Radio City Bob Dylan/Blood on the Tracks Brian Eno/Another Green World Bruce Springsteen/Born to Run Can/Tago Mago Captain Beefheart/Lick My Decals Off, Baby (or possibly Shiny Beast - -- I should re-play the two) David Bowie/Ziggy Stardust Derek & the Dominos/Layla Elvis Costello/This Year's Model Frank Zappa/The Grand Wazoo Gang of Four/Entertainment! Genesis/Foxtrot George Harrison/All Things Must Pass John Cale/Fear John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band King Crimson/Starless and Bible Black Led Zeppelin/Led Zeppelin IV Lou Reed/Berlin Miles Davis/Bitches Brew Neil Young/After the Gold Rush Patti Smith/Horses Paul McCartney/Ram Pere Ubu/Dub Housing Pink Floyd/The Dark Side of the Moon Ramones/Ramones Randy Newman/Sail Away Robert Fripp/Exposure Roxy Music/Country Life Roy Wood/Boulders (the big dark-horse pick :)) Stevie Wonder/Innervisions Syd Barrett/The Madcap Laughs Talking Heads/Fear of Music Television/Marquee Moon The Clash/London Calling The Rolling Stones/Exile on Main Street The Sex Pistols/Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols The Who/Who's Next Van Morrison/Moondance Wire/Chairs Missing I felt yucky about leaving off Singles Going Steady. That's another one which I should re-play, to be sure. I almost inserted that in place of Berlin. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:03:17 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: yes, but who's got all the tunes? >Who all's got recordings? Isn't it about time for a new compilation of >Feglister originals? I'll volunteer to compile & distribute it... > >>good idea, i'm in. who else is interested? (cautiously raises hand in air) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #231 ********************************