From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #230 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, June 23 2003 Volume 12 : Number 230 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: CDDB [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Moonlight Sonata [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Outtake? ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Outtake? [Mike Swedene ] moderation in all things (entropy affected robyn content) ["ken ostrander] Not just the good ones--buy the crap, too. ["FS Thomas" ] Re: CDDB [Michael R Godwin ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: CDDB [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Feggy Songwriter's Clinic continued [gshell@metronet.com] RE: Luxor artwork [Catherine Simpson ] Re: Goodbye [gshell@metronet.com] Re: Feggy Songwriter's Clinic continued ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Feggy Songwriter's Clinic continued [brian@lazerlove5.com] Re: more song influences ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Backwards, upside-down, in the same key etc. ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Luxor artwork [mary ] Re: Backwards, upside-down, in the same key etc. ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Backwards, upside-down, in the same key etc. [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffr] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:11:09 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: CDDB Quoting Ken Weingold : > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003, Eb wrote: > > I must confess that I've never understood why anyone cares about the > > CDDB. Uh...why do they? You don't want the hassle of writing down the > > song titles, but it's no trouble at all to go *online* every time you > > play a CD? I don't get it. I'm missing something. > > I'm always online. I have DSL. And do you have something like an > iPod? Put your CD in the drive, almost instantly names all the tracks > and such, rip it, transfer to iPod. And as was said, it's only once > that it downloads the info. It's also very convenient if you're ripping CDs to make a compilation: instead of having to label each file, each file's already labeled for you. A lot easier... Of course, I've got cable access, so I too am on the internet all the time. The systems are a pain in the ass if you have dial-up; when I did, I'd disable the thingy that asked if you wanted to look up info. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:59:54 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Moonlight Sonata >>IIR the story C, John heard Yoko playing the Moonlight Sonata, went over to >>the piano and turned the score upside down, then asked her to play it again >>like that. > >This story always sounded apocryphal to me. Yes, they're both in C# >minor and maybe "Because" was inspired by goofing around with >"Moonlight Sonata." But to claim it's actually a direct permutation >of the piece? In "Moonlight Sonata," the central melodic figures are >ascending three-note arpeggios. "Because" uses *eight*-note arpeggios >which change direction twice. In "Moonlight Sonata," the chords >generally change in six- and twelve-note periods, and in "Because," >they change chords in eight- and sixteen-note periods. "Because" is >in 4/4, and I assume "Moonlight Sonata" is written in 6/8. It's not >simply the Beethoven piece "upside down." I'm sure I said that it was *inspired by* hearing Moonlight Sonata played upside down (if I didn't, that's what I meant to say). That's quite different from actually *being* the Moonlight Sonata upside down. >It is filled with librarians, for the first joint ALA/CLA conference for >80 years. You can't move for people determined to live by the Dewey >Decimal System. file 'em at 025.3 (Library cataloguing systems) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:14:25 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Outtake? http://www.mysteryaction.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/elvis.htm Isn't this one of the potential tracks for Eye? (only joking) Later, Marc I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Outtake? that is funny.... sounded like a Phish outtake :0) Mike np -> Vanilla Sky Did REM release that version on an album or b-side??? - --- Marc Holden wrote: > http://www.mysteryaction.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/elvis.htm > > Isn't this one of the potential tracks for Eye? > (only joking) > Later, Marc > > I believe in making the world safe for our children, > but not our children's > children, because I don't think children should be > having sex. Jack > Handey ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 04:37:59 -0400 From: "ken ostrander" Subject: moderation in all things (entropy affected robyn content) maybe. i self moderate...even my moderation. my modem connection leaves me cold and shivering on the corner...first thing you learn is that you always gotta wait...and wait...usually there's no time and i'm left to read through a baker's dozen digests at once when i finally score with both time and sweet taste. my wife wonders what the interest is with those "fegalomaniax". let me say without reservation that the migration of the great quail makes me sad indeed. cut out my heart and it flies to the ceiling. i hope he returns. i've always enjoyed his postings even when he was taking me to task. whether being pigeonholed as a "neo marxist utopian" or a "neo maxy zoom dweeby" i would look inside at the fiend before the shrine and find a new perspective. or at least try. we can all learn and change and evolve. or not. the recent business regarding moving on from music and the devolution of the list seems a natural reflection of the world at large. pinpoint it at whatever event works for you, but this list is a microcosm. i find myself coming back because of the witty and intelligent discourse. as with the social contract, we all have the freedom to say what we will; but there are consequences. for the most part, the back and forth is civil here. most of us are responsible with our freedom. i don't know about luxor. i think i'm gonna hold out and see what the concensus is. i haven't been buying new music like i used to. i certainly don't think that i'm moving on per se; but i understand where that comes from. i have no intention of giving my music collection away; yet i think there's a point where you feel like you need to give back. after soaking in the divinely inspiring power of music and movies for so many years, it's time for me to work on my creative projects. there are so many floating around in my head that i only need to have a daily routine. that's the thing. the creative process is where the value is. or at least that's where i think it should be. i've come to this realization after years of worry over what the end product will be and trying to plan it all out with consideration for it's value as something inspiring and marketable. it's taken me some time to get to the point where i am. we all have to evolve (devolve? perspective?) at our own pace. all this talk about songs brings me back to my teenage years when i came up with a song i called 'with or without you' (years before bono) that was basically just a sophmoric chorus. it's an avenue that i never pursued, like so many others. who knows how many love songs the world was spared? lately, the wife and i have been playing with the video camera trying to come up with our own improvisational puppet show. unreleased robyn songs are legion. i've always dug the 'ruling class' and 'evil guy'. i haven't been keeping up with all of the newer unreleases. and what is up with another lou reed compilation? is this really necessary? i'm not at all interested in the raven either. i'll always have a soft spot in my heart for lou, though. or is that cholesterol? though i thought it provided a fair introduction to the time lord saga, i fell asleep watching a recent movie version (with eric roberts as the master) of 'doctor who' on sci fi the other night and had a dream about the soft boys doing a cover of the theme. it morphed into a medley of 'intersteller overdrive', 'you'll have to go sideways', 'if you know time', and 'stuck inside of mobile with the memphis blues again' as the doctor morphed from hitchcock to dylan. it was a funky reggae party. the revolution had already come and gone and no one seemed to have noticed. each person was pointing at someone else, accusing them of selling out. there was enough blame to go around. i slipped outside into the garden of perpetual mirth and started dancing with the gnomes. as the sun came up i found myself hanging out in a scene that looked an awful lot like this: http://www.webspawner.com/users/likehumansdo/thebigdivide.html oh yeah, and klaus voorman gets a bass credit on 'all things must pass'. way to go georgie and thanks for the pepperoni! ken "sleepless in orlando" _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:48:18 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Not just the good ones--buy the crap, too. Top-list musicians balk at having their albums cut up for online single sales. http://tinyurl.com/eyo8 (from Fark) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:48:47 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Sweet Home Fegmania On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com wrote: > I once wrote a song, called Second Home Chicago, which at the same time > parodied the propensity of British bar bands from Guildford and Grimsby > to sing Sweet Home Chicago, when they haven't been within 4000 miles of > the city; and yet also expressed my own love for the Chicago > blues...Phew, what a complex and brilliant song it is ;-) Do you know "(I've got those) Fleetwood Mac Chicken Shack John Mayall Can't Fail Blues" by the late great Adrian Henri of the Incredible Liverpool Scene? I once saw him sing it at a blues festival on a bill which included Fleetwood Mac and Chicken Shack (but not John Mayall). - - Mike Godwin PS My parodies included "PDSA" ("Young frog, get on out of your pond, young frog, there's no need to despond" etc) and "I'm your cat" ("Once upon I time, I used to feed you Whiskas too, but I could not afford the price, even though it tasted nice"...) [That's enough parodies - Ed.] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:40:40 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: CDDB On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Eb wrote: Pick a film you've seen, and comment on it. Any of 'em. > Two Lane Blacktop * Boring sub-Easy Rider road movie with James Taylor in a car instead of Dennis Hopper on a motorsickle. > Girl on a Motorcycle * Boring sub-nothing film with Marianne Faithfull riding a motorsickle and wearing a leather jumpsuit. This description makes it sound much better than it is. > Smashing Time * Boring sub-Knack "Swinging London" b/w film with jump cuts, crazy running round children's playground in the rain and all the usual cliches. My guess is that this is the specific film that EC wrote "(I don't want to go to) Chelsea" about. > The Jokers * Enjoyable "caper" movie with Oliver Reed and Michael Crawford plotting to steal the Crown Jewels. Lots of beefeater-type swinging London pageantry. Good fun but not very sophisticated. > Taking Off * Can't remember much about this, but it's OK. A teenager drops out and has worried parents. > almost anything by Russ Meyer * Three sluts seek to finance a sex commune by taking their clothes off frequently for a rich clientele of Jaguar XK140-driving businessmen. They throw a wild party featuring the Strawberry Alarm Clock. All is going well until someone spikes the tequila with LSD, and all of a sudden everything starts to become s t r a n g e . . . [contains nudity, bad language and unbelievable script] > Images Oh wow, yes. Susannah York driving along a road. Ghosts. Far out! Not to be confused with "Girl on a motorsickle". > Savage Messiah Ken Russell before he went completely over the top. Life of Gaudier-Brzeska. Not bad. - - Mike "that's why I stopped going to films" Godwin n.p. Arlo Guthrie "Motorsickle Song" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap Leonard Koppett ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:05:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: CDDB On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael R Godwin wrote: [how I read it]: > > Taking Off > * Can't remember much about this, but it's OK. A teenager drops trou and > has worried pants. Damned small print. > > almost anything by Russ Meyer > * Three sluts seek to finance a sex commune by taking their clothes off > frequently for a rich clientele of Jaguar XK140-driving businessmen. They > throw a wild party featuring the Strawberry Alarm Clock. All is going well > until someone spikes the tequila with LSD, and all of a sudden everything > starts to become s t r a n g e . . . > [contains nudity, bad language and unbelievable script] Sometimes by none other than Roger Ebert! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them:: __TV's Frank__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:33:38 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: Feggy Songwriter's Clinic continued On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Who all's got recordings? Isn't it about time for a new compilation of > Feglister originals? I'll volunteer to compile & distribute it... good idea, i'm in. who else is interested? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:47:40 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Luxor artwork Interesting to hear this view-point... I've always found album covers substantially useless if they *don't* include at least one decent, close-up, in-focus photo of the artist/band. I like to know what the folks I'm listening to look like. - - Catherine (who has, admittedly, been accused of supporting "lookism") Greg: >>i have never understood why he would put a bunch of pictures of himself on >>an album cover, sleeve or insert unless he enjoys looking at himself and >>is convinced everyone else is just as enamored. it has definately become a >>turn off in more ways than one. Rex: >>Now, what this (and the actual package) makes me think of is not narcissism, >>but low-budget-ness. If you've ever seen a self-produced, self-released, >>low budget CD by a solo artist, there's a pretty strong chance the artwork >>looks something like Luxor's... photos of the guy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:03:20 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: Goodbye On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, James Dignan wrote: > agreed. There has been more flaming lately (I think that the 2000 US > election is about the point the list started changing)> I have been flamed > every now and again (most strongly probably by Greg, but also by Jeme, Eb, > Quail, and a few others - mainly fairly lightly), but then again I'm a > heavy poster. wait a minute, i don't flame foreigners. well, at least not the pretty ones. i just blow smoke and sometimes it comes out my ass. anyway, i'm american and we feel sorry for you all you folks. kinda like ren feels sorry for stimpy. 8+() gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:02:30 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Feggy Songwriter's Clinic continued *eagerly thrusts hand into the air* Ooh! Me! Me! Cheers Matt >From: gshell@metronet.com >On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > > Who all's got recordings? Isn't it about time for a new compilation of > > Feglister originals? I'll volunteer to compile & distribute it... > >good idea, i'm in. who else is interested? > >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get the gossip faster - it's FREE with MSN Messenger! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: more song influences On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, James Dignan wrote: > Bowie's "Move on" contains part of "All the young dudes" backwards. > There's a Stone Roses song that is another SR song backwards > ("Waterfall" is the latter). Isn't it actually "Elephant Stone" and "Full Fathom Five"? I always liked Linnell's backward singing on They Might Be Giants songs, but I was under the impression it was done 'manually' -- as in, he just sang things that sounded like backward tape loops. Now I'm kind of sad that "On Earth My Nina" was just a reversed vocal track. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:22:27 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: Feggy Songwriter's Clinic continued Yep, me too. Nuppy Quoting Matt Sewell : > *eagerly thrusts hand into the air* > > Ooh! Me! Me! > > Cheers > > Matt > > >From: gshell@metronet.com >On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > > > Who all's got recordings? Isn't it about time for a new compilation of > > > > Feglister originals? I'll volunteer to compile & distribute it... > > >good idea, i'm in. who else is interested? > >gSs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get the gossip faster - it's FREE with MSN Messenger! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:01:38 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more song influences Aaron wrote: > > Now I'm kind of sad > that "On Earth My Nina" was just a > reversed vocal track. No, I think it was manual -- wasn't it? It's not my favourite TMBG track, so I haven't listened to it in a while, but I'm pretty sure Linnell is singing, not Llennil. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:13:01 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Backwards, upside-down, in the same key etc. Eb: >>The weather is unbelievably dreary in recent days. Very Northwesty. Ain't it the truth. But thanks for phrasing it that way; for some reason that makes me feel way better about it. _______ James on B&C: >>Weird thing is I also bought another CD the same day which had "Bonnie & >>Clyde" as a hidden bonus track (Luna's "Penthouse"). And then there's Mick >>Harvey's version... hmm... I suppose you've got the MC Solaar track that uses >>the song as part of the backing behind his wonderful French rapping? ("Le >>Nouveau Western") Check, check, and check, along with at least two copies of the original. Oddly, I also have at least three versions of "Je T'Aime Moi Non Plus", no less than two by Bad Seeds (Harvey and Barry Adamson)... I think I have yet another one but it escapes me right now. The oddest "same day CD coincidence purchase" I can recall was intentionally buying Helium's "No Guitars" EP and then grabbing a cheap used copy of (one of the) House of Love's self-titled LP('s), getting them home and realizing they both had top views of enormous butterflies , identically positioned, on their covers. >>There's a Stone Roses song that is another SR song backwards ("Waterfall" is >>the latter). "Don't Stop". There's another one on a b-side comp as well. Camper Van Beethoven did this many times, too (oh wait, Jeffrey beat me to that, but delete key broken, so there it is again). I mostly meant "the riff reversed but played forward, and you're right about "Move On"... totally forgot that one! I think there are other examples of backwards chord sequences; that's not too surprising, but "Days" is an actual series of notes (fifteen or so) played in reverse order (with minimal rhythmic rejiggering) and that would seem rarer. ______ Nora: >>Grant McLennan - Horsebreaker Star (certainly a candidate for any >>bad title/good album list) Definitely a good album (I've accidentally spent a lot of time with it recently), but what don't you like about the title? I wouldn't call it great but it doesn't bother me in the least. Do tell. _____ Nuppy: >>The only thing that would've been nice is a RH painting or some of his >>artwork, maybe more cones... I think we're all agreeing on this one... >>but I like this do up much better than the art from Jewel for Sophia. Which, IIRC, and ironically, was prepared by Michele, right? I wasn't too keen on it either... a little too obviously "psychedelic" in presentation while the photos themselves were fairly prosaic. >>ya know, people can be pretty cruel. I can't believe those assholes took Eb's >>dad's money clip and such. I mean, come on! What the hell are you thinking? >>These are real people! And here's another one, and this has been bugging me for a long time now: who the hell *litters*? I mean, obviously a lot of people do, but I don't think a single person of my acquaintance would even consider just throwing down so much as a cough drop wrapper on the ground. This is especially weird at camp sites and such. You'd assume that anyone who's intentionally taking the air at one of our fine National Parks would have at least some respect for and interest in preserving nature, but man, the detritus you see on the ground at those places. No, not as violent as what you're talking about, but still perplexing. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:01:32 -0400 From: UglyNoraGrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Luxor artwork I wrote: > See that's what really cheeses me off about the artwork. > Not only is it a really awful picture but Robyn could have > taken one of his paintings or even one his doodles would > have been better. Now that i have the actual album, I can say that the cover is still horrible. A friend of mine said it looked like a self produced CD you'd see a street performer selling at street fair. But the rest of the packaging is quite nice all the other pictures are very good which makes the crappiness of the cover more glaring. Almost any of the pictures else where in the packaging would have mad a better cover. Enough about the packaging. I was somewhat dreading the album having not totally enjoyed the solo acoustic show i saw last year, but I am pleasantly suprised to find myself totally loving the album. I definately like it better than Nextdoorland, which left me a bit cold (Side Three was great though). I agree with whoever said that Robyn's songwriting here is more straight forward and immediate. A lot of first person personal songs. Idonia and One L are definate classics. My other favorites are Solpadeine, You Remind Me of You, and Ant Corridor. I also was expecting just robyn and guitar but there is enough going on in the arrangements to keep things from getting Boring. Some great guitar work from Robyn too. Later, Nora np: Luxor for the third time today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:15:11 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Litterbug Sexy Rexy Wrote: > And here's another one, and this has been bugging me for a long time > now: > who the hell *litters*? I'm right with ya. One of my worst peeves is the act of someone tossing a cigarette butt from their car window. I see it happen everyday. If I had silly money (like several many million, like michael jackson or someone) I'd start a campaign against cigarette butt littering. I can think of a few good commercials... Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:30:43 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: Luxor artwork Catherine: >>Interesting to hear this view-point... I've always found album covers >>substantially useless if they *don't* include at least one decent, close-up, >>in-focus photo of the artist/band. I like to know what the folks I'm >>listening to look like. There are some newer bands and artists that I like, and have records by, and I have little to no idea what they look like. I haven't seen music videos of almost any kind for probably at least 10 years, but at this point I doubt that many artists I like can be seen on MTV anyway; meanwhile it seems that the reviews and press I read are less and less likely to feature photos, so there you go. Sometimes I don't mind at all that record art doesn't help me with this issue (I still have treasured memories of what I thought REM would look like before I ever saw photos of them) and other times it bugs, at which point I usually go looking for a picture online. As to "lookism", well... I'm far more likely to look for such photos if there's a woman involved, so I can't play innocent on that one! What are some really terrific album covers that feature primarily photos of the artist? The Beatles and Dylan have quite a few apiece, but there are some truly dreadful ones (where's that Sam & Dave cover again?)... - -Rex, who rarely finds the performers he deems most artistically rewarding to be "his type" in terms of physical attraction, although that may say more about Rex than said artists ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:29:10 -0400 From: mary Subject: RE: Luxor artwork At 10:30 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >What are some really terrific album covers that feature primarily photos of >the artist? The Beatles and Dylan have quite a few apiece, but there are >some truly dreadful ones (where's that Sam & Dave cover again?)... Some artists off the top of my head - David Bowie, Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel s.Mary np - Tricky, "Maxinquaye" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:32:47 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Backwards, upside-down, in the same key etc. Rex wrote: > > who the hell *litters*? It's an upbringing thing. I knew someone who used to just drop things without a second thought. When I pulled him up about it, he looked at me as I'd suggesting that breathing was wrong. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:35:42 +0200 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Luxor artwork When I first got Luxor I was VERY turned off by the cover and immediately did what I do often with cds, changed the page so another image was on the cover. Then I reviewed it again. I still don't like all the images and the glasses thing. One image on a bridge is interesting. The more compelling photos are the ones R himself made, the close-up of the garden. Still listening. Interesting to hear the feedback. - - c On Lunedl, giu 23, 2003, at 19:30 Europe/Rome, Rex.Broome wrote: > Catherine: >>> Interesting to hear this view-point... I've always found album covers >>> substantially useless if they *don't* include at least one decent, > close-up, >>> in-focus photo of the artist/band. I like to know what the folks I'm >>> listening to look like. > > There are some newer bands and artists that I like, and have records > by, and > I have little to no idea what they look like. I haven't seen music > videos > of almost any kind for probably at least 10 years, but at this point I > doubt > that many artists I like can be seen on MTV anyway; meanwhile it seems > that > the reviews and press I read are less and less likely to feature > photos, so > there you go. Sometimes I don't mind at all that record art doesn't > help me > with this issue (I still have treasured memories of what I thought REM > would > look like before I ever saw photos of them) and other times it bugs, at > which point I usually go looking for a picture online. > > As to "lookism", well... I'm far more likely to look for such photos if > there's a woman involved, so I can't play innocent on that one! > > What are some really terrific album covers that feature primarily > photos of > the artist? The Beatles and Dylan have quite a few apiece, but there > are > some truly dreadful ones (where's that Sam & Dave cover again?)... > > -Rex, who rarely finds the performers he deems most artistically > rewarding > to be "his type" in terms of physical attraction, although that may > say more > about Rex than said artists ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:33:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Backwards, upside-down, in the same key etc. On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > And here's another one, and this has been bugging me for a long time now: > who the hell *litters*? One thing that really bugs me: why is it that so many smokers apparently don't regard cigarette butts as real litter? I see folks who would be horrified to toss an empty aluminum can away flick butts regularly - what, they think the Magical Cigarette Gnome materializes and whisks them away? They should be forced to join up with gum spitters to form the Amalgamated Union of Butt Droppers and Gum Spitters, and made to research the use of butts and chewed gum as a cheap, readily available construction material. There - I'm being constructive, not just critical. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ np: The Fall _Code: Selfish_ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #230 ********************************