From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #217 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, June 15 2003 Volume 12 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: George W. Ford? [Marcy Tanter ] Re: Way over yonder in the Cumberland Gap [Capuchin ] Re: Nigel Cross's reviews in PT [Scott Hunter McCleary ] Re: Passion Flesh [Capuchin ] Re: free squid report [Capuchin ] Re: Advanced text editing in OS X. Advanced music downloading everywhere else. [Capuchin ] Birthdays ["Glen Uber" ] Re: Birthdays [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Love to Loathe/Hot to Cold/Birthdays [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Birthdays [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: we need more moderators! [Michael R Godwin ] Step Forward, Denis [Michael R Godwin ] Re: we need more moderators! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Censure [The Great Quail ] Luxor at the Museum of Robyn Hitchcock ["Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: George W. Ford? The Boston Globe has a better report on their home page but all of this leads me to a pet peeve: why should any of us care what the Bush family does for Father's Day or any other time he's off from work? I didn't care that he called his mother on Mother's Day, I don't care what he does on his ranch when it's not related to running the country. I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this stuff--are reporters so lacking for other news? Is anyone taking count of how many days off he has? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Way over yonder in the Cumberland Gap On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: [quoting me] > >>See, I think the whole problem with the current system is that nobody > >>believes they have any duty at all to the society that gave them > >>everything they have from the language and ability to read it to their > >>loved ones and the food on their table. Such obligations DO exist and you > >>really ought to live up to them. > > Ah, but that's not a problem with the system. It's a problem with the > people. Human nature or just the current state of it. The system is > more or less just *there*, but people can still believe whatever they > want about their duties and obligations, right? Gads. I've been trying to express this and doing a terrible job, but there is this idea in our society right now that the system and the people are somehow different things that only influence one another. The people ARE the system and the system IS the people. When someone gets on TV and says, "If we want things to get better, we have to improve the economy", they are taking the economy as it stands as a natural system and a foregone conclusion and the people must work to serve it. The economy is just an artificial construct to help describe people and they way they deal with each other. We CAN change the rules and we MUST if we want to reintroduce the ideas of honor, respect, generosity and grattitude. (Really, I just care about peace, love, and justice, but I think those are unavoidable side-effects of civility.) [on Quail's desire to be "rich"] > I wouldn't say it's immoral, necessarily. It's only immoral if you know and accept the idea that your wealth means others' deprivation. If you just want abundance, that's nice and understandable. If you want more than others, that's sociopathic and frightening. > But no, I don't want to be rich. Being rich means "having lots of > money", right? I don't want to have lots of money. I would like to > live comfortably, pursue my interestes, and be able to provide for my > family. I'm with you mostly, but what do you mean by that last bit? Do you want the pride of knowing that YOU provided for your family or do you just want to be secure in the knowledge that your family will also enjoy abundance of the things they need and desire? > But money's just paper, or theoretical numbers on a spreadsheet or a > hard drive or something. I don't know why everyone has such a boner for > the stuff. As I wrote before, it's putting the cart before the horse. They've done such a good job of equating money with the stuff that'll really make them happy that they just want the money with the vague idea that it can be used to make them happy though they (the folks who have a boner for the stuff) may have long forgotten (or never known) exactly what they could do with the money to make them happy. As a funny side note, I think this is largely true of a type of person parodied in The Onion a couple of months back. They had a story about a guy in his late twenties or early thirties who indulges in obsolete video game systems, late seventies and early eighties toys and novelties, and sugar cereals. There are lots of folks like this in my personal experience. Hell, I have an Atari 2600, myself. I think the cause of this sort of syndrome is the failure to re-evaluate the desire for money (or wealth or affluence or just plain stuff). At some point in the past (like early adolescence) those things were important to the person and were seen as sources of happiness... then the money := stuff assignment happened and it took years for the person to maneuver himmself into a position where this guy had some discretionary income and that was the only use for money the person had ever really considered. So if you think about what you really want, you're probably not moving toward the immoral until you come to desires that are nothing more than "power" or "more than " or something. > We all, and I mean all of us, have that talented friend/neighbor/uncle > who never hit the big time. And we all, and I mean all of us, think that > at least one or two famous artists or entertainers are untalented, > overrated, or just plain sucky. So I just don't know how that idea that > "the talented always succeed" remains so entrenched. It's all the > marketing money. It's the fact that "success" has nothing to do with successful art or artistry. "Success" is a term describing a business relationship. In that, the best DO rise to the top. But not the best musicians. The market system doesn't make the best of everything succeed, it redefines success and best purely financial terms so that the most profitable rises to the top. Profits are determined only somewhat by quality product. Mostly, profits are determined by margins based on how much you can get away with exploiting workers or the planet. Marketting is just a tool for covering the exploitation. > I'm constantly hearing now that artists have to become self-marketers > and, essentially, businesspeople, and that bugs me big time. People say > it like it's a great thing, that everyone should be such a > self-promoter, networker, schemer, shark... Dammit, I don't wanna be a > marketer. I don't wanna, I don't wanna. Not to sound like Quail, but that's capitalism. I don't want to be a "businessman", either. I want to be a teacher and a student and a tinkerer. I don't want to have to find ways to screw people out of money or constantly watch my back so that my fellow man doesn't screw me. That's not why I live in society. That's not why people moved into cities and towns. We didn't cluster together so that we could more efficiently screw each other en masse. > -Rex, glad it's Friday, still deaf in one ear. Get that fixed, sir. And give us the gory details. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:17:36 -0500 From: "Eugene F. Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: How and why to be Mr. Great Guy On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 07:02 PM, Tom Clark very clearly demonstrated why I am still subscribed to this list: > If I may share probably too much, I think one of the things that > turned her around was when I told her "when I was a teenager it used > to gross me out to think about screwing a 40 year old woman, but I've > got to say, you're sexier than ever!" That cemented me as Mr. Great > Guy for months. Feel free to use that, btw. Now *that* is a gift that will keep on giving, and I appreciate your sharing it. And I'm sure it'll serve me well in nine years. And that's what makes Feg great: people helping people. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:37:58 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: anyone can play this guitar Yeah, it's kinda heavy-handed humour, but I was amused: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:14:35 -0400 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Re: Nigel Cross's reviews in PT Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > I can symphathize; I have Ricky Schroeder Hey, I'm just a few hours older than Paula Poundstone. Scott "I can't believe I'm a day older than Val Kilmer, either, McCleary - -- ========= I use antlers in all of my decorating! SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Nigel Cross's reviews in PT Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > > I can symphathize; I have Ricky Schroeder > > Hey, I'm just a few hours older than Paula Poundstone. It's one thing to know the birthday of famous or pseudo-famous people, but isn't knowing the birth-hour or - -minute a little close to stalking? > Scott "I can't believe I'm a day older than Val Kilmer, > either, McCleary ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Passion Flesh On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Cadtharsis wrote: > The Great Quail cheeped in: > > There is something to be said about the *way* someone expresses > something -- > > which klingt to me much like Capuchin's: > >The way you do things matters at least as much as what you do. > > Is that full circle? I was going to point that out, too... but you did. I think it's another example of me believing in the general case where Quail thinks something only applies in certain circumstances. > I love the passionate geek in all of you and hope you all keep emoting. > (I miss Viv!) As y'all probably know, Viv unsubbed from the list about 18 months ago. She's doing well and just finished her second year of law school. We watched some movies last night and I made us french toast this morning. Things do move along. I'll tell her you said something. It'll make her feel good, I think. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: free squid report On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > my intelligence says monday, but seeing it's a muggy friday afternoon at > the end of a long and odd week, my intelligence is pentagonal. Oh, man, you used "intelligence" and "pentagon" in the same post. We're nabbed for sure. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Advanced text editing in OS X. Advanced music downloading everywhere else. On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2003, Capuchin wrote: > > Nothing I use has a EULA. Most things have a redistribution license, but > > no user license. You don't need a license to use copies of things that > > you own. > > Here's something I was thinking about what you say about software and > principles. Does the license with pine go along with them? I don't > know exactly what they are, but I know that they will not include it in > the totally free distribution packages. I think Debian is like this. Pine has a crappy license with regard to modification and redistribution. I don't like it one bit. It doesn't, as far as I know, have an EULA, though. I'm, however, in the process of ditching the thing, as I wrote earlier. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:26:37 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Love to Loathe/Hot to Cold/Birthdays >If you can count only the first single as the "love" >period, I'd take the Cranberries too. By the time "Linger" >had laid waste over the universe (and Dolores made her >obnoxious comments about Harriet Wheeler, Sinead O'Connor, >and any and everyone other female singer she had been >compared to), I truly detested them, and "Dreams." If you go from a "love the first single" to "Ehhing the rest" in this thread, then add Enya to the pile. >Well, we're setting records here that break the last 100 years for heat >high 90s/high 30s (and well over), length of time and amount, not to >mention the humidity (down today to 45% from a whopping 90% the last >several days). sigh. Temperature low 40s/single digits. Grey skies. Thick frost in the mornings. At least it's dry. >On the other hand though, I have Thomas Jefferson, Al >Green, Jimmy Destri, Samuel Becket, Don Adams, Gary >Kasparov, and Tony Dow (April 13). TinyJeff also has the distinction of being born on the wondrously named St Sabas the Goth's feastday. James (no-one famous born on my birthday, but it is St Joan of Arc's feastday) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:29:01 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Ars Gratia Artis? Arse! >> Art is merely the perfection of a craft to the point of personal >> expression. >> >> Personal expression itself is not art unless it is shown in a work of >> mastery of a craft and mastery of a craft is not art unless it shows >> personal expression. >> >In the immortal words of Keanu Reeves: Whoa. > >I don't even know if I want to jump into the endless discussion that is >the asking of "what is Art." Always goes in circles, there is no >definitive answer, depends on who you ask. I'm in Art Ground Zero this >weekend with the opening of the Bienele and all I see is a lot of >pretentious hob-nobbing/holier-than-thou art star action with about a >10% margin of great work thrown in. It's all photo op, dollar/euro >based, about the person, not about the work, crap. Art is as art does. Trouble is that it seems to be heading into a sort of cultural cul-de-sac where it is so far removed from what the person in the street calls art, and its sole purpose is to shock. I have very little time for the likes of Tracey Emin or Damien Hirst's work for this reason. The first time something is done and presented as art, sure, it makes a statement. After that (unless the repetition is a statement in itself), what's the point? At the risk of self-preening, here's something I wrote about an exhibition I had to review last year (in at the deep end, this was only the second review I was called upon to do). The exhibition was a goodartist's comment, but was it art? >In Paul Johns' "Noughts, Crosses or Tiddlywinks?", a single minimalist >painting dominates the gallery. It a reply to a disparaging review of >an earlier painting by Johns, which was displayed at Lower Hutt's Dowse >Gallery. > >The first line of the review stated blankly (and somewhat flippantly) >"Yes - it is a painting", and Johns' response has been simply to place >these words in the centre of an otherwise blank canvas. A framed >photograph of the original review sits on the opposing wall of the >gallery. > >The two pieces thus face each other like accuser and accused. But which >is the accuser? This is the question at the heart of this exhibition >and poses again the age-old conundrum of the true nature of art. Is this >an art exhibition, an angry rebuttal, or simply an elaborate joke on the >part of the artist? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:48:33 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Birthdays >James (no-one famous born on my birthday) I never noticed that "What happened on this day" function on the IMDB site before...that's kinda fun. I knew several celebs with my birthday, but the site revealed a bunch more. I knew Marc Bolan, Angie Dickinson, Deborah Kerr, Barry Williams, Crystal Bernhard, Marty Stuart, Johnny Mathis, Frankie Lymon....but I didn't know Kieran Culkin, Lacey Chabert, Jenna Elfman, Dominique Moceanu, Jack Wild, Debbie Allen, Trey Anastasio (eek!!!!), Eric Stoltz, Fran Drescher, Buddy Rich, Truman Capote.... What I wanna know is, how come so many of my famous birthday-sharers are either women or "wimps"? ;) Bolan, Williams, Capote, Wild, Mathis, Lymon, Culkin.... Maybe there's something to astrology. I checked the site for a friend's birthday, and her birthday seemed to be shared by an inordinate proportion of singers and musicians -- even though the IMDB site is actually focused on actors and actresses. Hmmm. (Although she's not especially musical herself....) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:48:00 -0700 From: "Glen Uber" Subject: Birthdays People who share my birthday: Glenn Frey, Maria Shriver, Sally Field, Corey Glover, Lamar Odom, Taryn Manning, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Thandie Newton, Bubba Trammell, Ethan Hawke (same age), Peter DeLuise, Lance Kerwin, Lori Singer, Rory Block, Trace Beaulieu, Doug Sahm, Mike Nichols, Walter "Big Train" Johnson, Ignace Jan Paderewski, John Philip Sousa & James Naismith. The last seven notwithstanding, it's a pretty mediocre bunch overall, doncha think? - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:52:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Birthdays Eb wrote: > I checked the site > for a friend's birthday, and her birthday seemed to be > shared by an inordinate proportion of singers and > musicians -- even though the IMDB site is actually > focused on actors and actresses. Hmmm. > (Although she's not especially musical herself....) A band of all April 13ers: Al Green (or Roy Loney!) -- Vocals Jack Cassidy -- Bass Guitar Max Weinberg -- Drums Jimmy Destri -- Keyboards Lowell George, Hillel Slovak -- Guitars Minor problem that both of the guitarists are dead though. Both Jill Scott and Peabo Bryson are eligible to sing as well (Scott being the exact same age as me apparently, as is the singer from Staind). Yes, I am bored, why do you ask? ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Love to Loathe/Hot to Cold/Birthdays James Dignan wrote: > TinyJeff also has the distinction of being born on the > wondrously named St Sabas the Goth's feastday. Actually, that's the 12th, David Letterman and Will Sergeant's Birthday. Too bad; I kinda liked the idea of sharing it with St. Sabas. http://friarsminor.org/xvii8-20.html ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:13:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Birthdays > > I checked the site >> for a friend's birthday, and her birthday seemed to be >> shared by an inordinate proportion of singers and >> musicians -- even though the IMDB site is actually >> focused on actors and actresses. Hmmm. >> (Although she's not especially musical herself....) > >A band of all April 13ers: > >Al Green (or Roy Loney!) -- Vocals >Jack Cassidy -- Bass Guitar >Max Weinberg -- Drums >Jimmy Destri -- Keyboards >Lowell George, Hillel Slovak -- Guitars Yeah, but check out my friend's March 15th birthday: Bret Michaels (Poison) Mark McGrath (Sugar Ray) Rockwell Terence Trent D'Arby Dee Snider Sly Stone Mike Love Jurgen Kneiper (great film scorer...River's Edge, a few Wim Wenders films...) Ry Cooder Phil Lesh Lightnin Hopkins Cecil Taylor Harry James Stomu Yamashta How's *that* for a band? I can just hear those vocal harmonies now. And a Cooder/Hopkins/Taylor combo sounds pretty darn good to me! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Birthdays Eb wrote: > > > I checked the site > >> for a friend's birthday, and her birthday seemed to > be > >> shared by an inordinate proportion of singers and > >> musicians -- even though the IMDB site is actually > >> focused on actors and actresses. Hmmm. > >> (Although she's not especially musical herself....) > > > >A band of all April 13ers: > > > >Al Green (or Roy Loney!) -- Vocals > >Jack Cassidy -- Bass Guitar > >Max Weinberg -- Drums > >Jimmy Destri -- Keyboards > >Lowell George, Hillel Slovak -- Guitars > > Yeah, but check out my friend's March 15th birthday: > > Bret Michaels (Poison) > Mark McGrath (Sugar Ray) > Rockwell > Terence Trent D'Arby > Dee Snider > Sly Stone > Mike Love > Jurgen Kneiper (great film scorer...River's Edge, a few > Wim Wenders films...) > Ry Cooder > Phil Lesh > Lightnin Hopkins > Cecil Taylor > Harry James > Stomu Yamashta > > How's *that* for a band? I can just hear those vocal > harmonies now. And a Cooder/Hopkins/Taylor combo sounds > pretty darn good to me! Yeah, but where's the drummer? And other than Stone and D'Arby, I'm not sure I want any of those guys singing for me (though Dee Snider would be entertaining to have in sort of a Bez-Andy Fletcher non-musical role). Taylor, Hopkins, and Cooder together would be rather groovy though; Cooder's the only live guitarist on either list, and both bass players are refugees from 60s SF bands. Looking at AllMusic, both dates have pretty even list lengths actually. Neither is complete though -- i.e., they don't have Weinberg for some reason, and I would assume there are some omissions for March 15 as well. Your friend does have Julius Caesar being killed though! ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:55:53 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: we need more moderators! On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > Oooh... it's all handbags at forty paces on the list at the moment, > isn't it? Just thought I'd weigh in and say you're all a bunch of ass > holes (whatever that is? I know donkeys tend to have several. Holes, > that is...), and any more moralising out of any of you and I'm taking my > (cyber) ball and going home! You said it, Matt! And while we're about it, could all those incomprehensible computer discussions please go somewhere else? I don't inflict income and substitution effects of price changes on you, so why do you inflict Operating Systems on me? [The only thing I know about Operating Systems is that I was told a story about a girl at an interview who was asked what they were, and said "They are like a policeman directing traffic with hand signals". All the computer buffs roared with laffter at this - no idea why]. On the accuracy or otherwise of Zadie Smith: there is one bit where she mentions a big game hunter going to Nairobi to hunt okapi. But any fule know that okapi are not to be found on the savannahs of Kenya, but _only_ in the dense rainforest of the Congo. Also she refers to a Mr and Mrs Begum - but my understanding was that 'Begum' meant 'Mrs', and that there is a male equivalent which is used for 'Mr' - Aga, possibly? But I may be wrong about this. Jill, what do you want to know about the Move? I used to be a fan, and rushed out and bought their first LP (the one with 'Lead us to the yellow rainbow' as opening track) as soon as it came out. James, have you seen this? Barmy or what? Finally, some actual Royn Content: I'm disappointed that more people don't share my favourable opinion of 'Luxor'. Fair enough, "Oh Yoko" is the weakest track, but most of the remainder is pretty good. - - Mike Godwin n.p. "The dust blows forward and the dust blows back" from Railroadism ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:30:01 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Step Forward, Denis More excitement, Matt! I have found this page which features snippets of Denis Healey singing socialist classics, plus, of course, "D-Day Dodgers", which was a favourite of those like Denis (and Spike Milligan) who were being shot to pieces at Anzio and were then derided for missing the Normandy landings: Also a good study of those eyebrows at: I must admit to being a big fan of the piano-playing, opera-loving, foul-mouthed former Chancellor of the Exchequer. He never became leader of the Labour Party because he was too right wing. And now look what we've got - not so much neo-conservatives as near Mussolini-ist duce-worship! - - MRG, carefully avoiding mention of Hitler. Oops, I've mentioned him. Carefully avoiding mention of uni-spherical mid-twentieth century German politicians not necessarily of a democratic persuasion... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 09:52:51 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: we need more moderators! Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Finally, some actual Royn Content: I'm disappointed that more people don't > share my favourable opinion of 'Luxor'. it could be that most fegs don't have it yet. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:01:32 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Censure Miles writes, > Got a mirror handy? Well, in my defense, I think I have mentioned that I felt myself becoming more humorless on this List. >I remember you as a main combatant, always ready to > extend a flamewar, rather than as some sort of doe-eyed surrealist Belgian nun > who got raped by the rampaging Huns of conformity. Why Belgian nuns? They'd hopefully be too drunk to take notice. But I don't think I generally flame. I do like to extend debate, and I am not as even-tempered as Chris Gross or Eddie, but I don't think I sit back and just feed flame wars. Usually. The whole Ralph Nader things did upset me a bit. >Jeme's tendency to turn > everything into commands and screeds becomes annoying, but its evil twin is > your willingness to reciprocate in kind until you've had your say -- then you > declare your innocence and sign off from the thread! Well, that's not how it seems to me. But then again, that's what Jeme says, too. > I also can't agree with you about dating the death of civility here as > 9/11/2001. It's been dying for much longer than that. Yeah, I agree with Eb -- since the election. >I used to blame Eb for > it, but over time, I realized that his tempestuous arrival was more of a > catalyst than a cause, because there sure were enough sweet, caring, innocent > Fegs who turned out to be willing to claw each other to shreds without much > prompting. It's been going on for at least seven or eight years, and well, > something that goes on that long eventually wears on folks' souls. Eb usually confines his attacks to music. And I think Eb is a great one for, as the English say, taking the piss out of people. But I know Eb rubs some folk the wrong way....but I can't agree that he is as destructive a force as Jeme. > Now that's a prize-winning feat of QuailPoofery! If you miss the ol' > surreal times so much, quit playing martyr, get off your ass, and write us > something surreal. That's the point: it used to be fun. Now I find it dreary. Bye, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:08:46 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Luxor at the Museum of Robyn Hitchcock It's listed now: Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #217 ********************************