From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #216 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, June 14 2003 Volume 12 : Number 216 Today's Subjects: ----------------- two tins of smokeless alabaster scaffolding [grutness@surf4nix.com (James] Re: Luxor (100% RH) ["Maximilian Lang" ] fnoooop werglewergle et al [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Censure ["Maximilian Lang" ] Used to love these artists, but I had to kill them ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: free squid report [Barbara Soutar ] Re: two tins of smokeless alabaster scaffolding [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffre] Re: Feg through the Romper Room mirror (YMMV) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Nigel Cross's reviews in PT [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question [Jeff Dwarf <] Re: Luxor & Campari, oh no! [Ethyl Ketone ] Re: Passion Flesh ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: John Linell comments on Fegtopia ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Advanced text editing in OS X [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:03:57 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: two tins of smokeless alabaster scaffolding >Does anyone remember fun? Does anyone remember when you could discuss >pop-culture and politics without being cast as a corporate shill? Does >anyone remember animated conversation between open minds? Or have the Taste >Squad and Thought Police bullied it out of us, run the Surreal Posse into >the ground and tied them down with the chains of political correctitude. > >Honestly, I don't know *any* List old-timer who thinks things have improved >since 9-11. The ones that stuck around, anyway. word. Lighten up, folks. We used to be able to debate this sort of thing calmly and vaguely intellectually. Debating the points, too, not ad hominem. And debating politely - knowing what can be said to show a person's argument without raising the hackles. All fine, and an art (if I can use that word) that we seem to have lost. Now it's in boots and all and success by pummelling the opponent and claiming moral superiority (I realise this last is probably a hypocritical comment in this context). Can't we just put the politic back into the politics? I used to enjoy this list - couldn't wait to read the latest weirdness or take part in the intelligent discussions that went on in it. Now, as Eb would say, "Ehh." The only reasons I'm hanging in here are that I have hopes that things can return to the old ways, and that I care about people on this list and enjoy their company when they're behaving in a calm and friendly way. Brian asks: >And why the hell does everyone assume Nora's a she? Well, Nora's list persona is female, so there's probably a greater chance that she's a she than a he. And in any case, we simply use the terms "her" and "she" in accordance with her list persona. If you had, from the start, been on the list as Rita, we'd be referring to you as she at least in part because your list persona was a she. Until provided with evidence that your real and list persona genders were different, we would continue to do so. It simply makes more sense to use appropriate gender-related terms than to use gender-opposed ones. >I'm constantly hearing now that artists have to become self-marketers and, >essentially, businesspeople, and that bugs me big time. People say it like >it's a great thing, that everyone should be such a self-promoter, networker, >schemer, shark... Dammit, I don't wanna be a marketer. I feel the same way. Seems the first thing you need to learn in becoming an artist is how to whore yourself. >the arts are one of the clearest >realms in which the failure of the implicit "cream will rise" philosophy of >free market ideology is grossly self-evident. Remember that the cream of any society is simply all the thick clots that have managed to rise to the top. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:37:38 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Luxor (100% RH) >From: "Michael Wells" >Subject: Luxor (100% RH) >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:27:09 -0500 > >I've been quite interested to read other feg reports of Luxor...I seem >to sense a lot of ambivalence out there. I'm going to come right out and >say it - I *love* the record. I don't have ambivalence toward it, I am just waiting to buy it through the Robyn homepage. I know it is available elsewhere but I am very lazy. Max _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:40:23 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: fnoooop werglewergle et al >> Today is the Olsen twins 17th birthday! >> >> http://www.olsentwins.com/ > >One more year until every adult mag hounds them to do a spread. can you say "double entendre"? I knew you could! - --- >> The reason why Eye is so good is the calenture. > >Robyn had a tropical fever once believed to be caused by heat that >forms a furious delirium which sometimes led the affected person >(usually among sailors) to imagine the sea to be a green field and to >throw himself into it?? The Triffids' album "Calenture" is also very good. - --- >(On the subject of the music-fan shortage and Fegs We Miss, lemme add >the unsubscribed Drew and Pathetic-Caverns Doug to Quail's M.I.A. >list.) my vote goes for Cheri and Lord Kay, too. - --- >>In fact, I've enjoyed the last couple of years on Feg more than any >>Fegyears between, oh, the Advent of Eb and 9/11. > >Woo! I've become a historical marker! yup, I think we're now in the year 4 AEb - --- >On this list, people, at one point, were asked to list their guilty >pleasures (music, TV, etc.). I have a different question. Is there a >band (artist, performer, whatever) that you used to love but now >absolutely can't stand and don't see what attracted you in the first >place? > >I'll be the first to toss in my entry. >The Police and anything that Sting has anything to do with Aha! A feg thread (and no, "Aha!" was not my answer!) I can understand the turnoff in Sting stuff, though I do still like some of the Police and Sting's first solo album. He had the secret of the bassist-songwriter down pat. Write a fairly catchy chorus on guitar or piano, write the verse on bass. That way, no-one will be able to play along with the verse and the chorus will sound ten times as catchy. But my bugbear is a completely different musician. And, thought it's embarrassing to ever admit liking his music, it's Gerry Rafferty. I still like the faintly folk-rock Stealer's Wheel records, which have a sort of naive charm, but his solo stuff...feh. Then there's Lloyd Cole - I was a big fan. I still enjoy some of his lyrics, but I doubt I could make it through a whole CD. >possibly Lenny Kravitz, though I >got over him mighty quick.... Babes in Toyland? The Lemonheads? I >almost could cite the Church, but that would make James' hair stand >on end.... not too much. They'd rate reasonably high on my list of favourites but much lower than they used to. The Lemonheads though would be another possible answer for me to the thread though, not that I was a huge fan... I can't understand how I ever managed to get several of their CDs. Or Buffalo Tom, for that matter. Stewart "Och, eh?" Russell a dit: >my intelligence says monday, but seeing it's a muggy friday afternoon at the >end of a long and odd week, my intelligence is pentagonal. Now *that* could enter the language. James PS - ever had one of those days when you can't think of an appropriate subject line? NF - Antigua, in the hope that the weather will become a bit more Caribbean rather than subantarctic. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:46:44 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Censure >From: The Great Quail >To: Fegmaniax! >Subject: Censure >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:55:33 -0400 >Where's Eddie? Bayard? Ross? Russ? Tracy? Mark Gloster? Mike Runion? LJ >Lindhurst? Woj? Susan? Nick? Chris F? Or Hal, Drew, Kay and Ed Poole. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:03:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Used to love these artists, but I had to kill them Cap'n Jeffrey (that was a pirate riff, yeah?): >>...So, uh, does _Luxor_ have a US release date? Goes up for sale at the Museum next week; I gather that's as close as we get. __________ Jill: >>Is there a band (artist, performer, whatever) that you used to love but now >>absolutely can't stand and don't see what attracted you in the first >>place? My answer's the same as Eb's, really. I've had many an artist go from like to meh, meh to dislike, love to kinda like: the Circle of Critical Revisionism. But nobody's ever gone from posters on my wall to my absolute shit-list. Maybe the only exceptions are from the brief six-month period when I went from adamantly hating pop music to trying to figure it out. At that point I was willing to try anything that was like a "weird" or "intelligent" version of rock music. So that briefly included oddly dressed synth bands, vintage "classic" and prog rock, overly earnest heartland rock and some stuff like that (more props to Eb for the Edie Brickell mention). But it was really only a short period of time and before it was even over I'd gravitated to the college rock of the time, much of the '60's stuff I still like, and late '70's punkish stuff. So, I dunno... John Mellencamp? I still own three of his records, though. 'Course I'm the guy who never sells his records back no matter what, 'cuz if I wanted it once, I might want it again if my brain finds itself in that particular configuration again. So maybe it's psychological, and I just can't admit how bad some of those records are, since doing so would be to admit that I got suckered into buying them to begin with? I'll also circle around artists for years, trying to decide if they're "for" me, or likely to become an obsession or not. So that's a kind of filter before the fact. Before I nerdishly liked rock music I was nerdishly into film scores, and I now really dislike listening to scores by themselves. Does that count? Or we could maybe say CSNY, or CSN. But even at the earliest I knew Neil was my guy in that band; I just didn't know how much I'd end up being annoyed by the other three. But I still like Crosby in the Byrds, Nash in the Hollies, and Stills in (most of) the Springfield, so that's a wash. Screw it, I suck, with my hobgoblin, and my foolish mind, and all that. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:25:05 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Feg through the Romper Room mirror (YMMV) >>Where's Eddie? Bayard? Ross? Russ? Tracy? Mark Gloster? Mike Runion? LJ >>Lindhurst? Woj? Susan? Nick? Chris F? Drew and Pathetic-Caverns Doug Ahh, I think of Doug every time I listen to the copy of SANDANISTA I bought from him and which still has his "property of" sticker inbedded within its plastic casing. Which admittedly isn't that often, but the sticker's visible when I pull "London Calling" down. Thanks to Miles and the various others with good things to say about recent times on the list; I've enjoyed being back, actually. ______ Tom C.: >>If I may share probably too much, I think one of >>the things that turned her around was when I told her "when I was a teenager >>it used to gross me out to think about screwing a 40 year old woman, but >>I've got to say, you're sexier than ever!" That cemented me as Mr. Great >>Guy for months. Feel free to use that, btw. That's pretty funny, but she'd never believe it coming from me... she knows I have a thing for the older laydeeez, me being just now 32 and stuff. But I'm sure I'll come of with something. Cheers! Rex PS speaking of They Might Be Giants, I just read a piece where they were reviewing various recent records, and one of them commented on what a strange thing it was to name your band And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead. I couldn't tell if it was tongue in cheek, or if their own band name has just come to sound totally normal to them after all this time, but I got a laugh out of it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:46:08 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: two tins of smokeless alabaster scaffolding James: > Brian asks: > >And why the hell does everyone assume Nora's a she? > > Well, Nora's list persona is female, so there's probably a > greater chance that she's a she than a he. And in any case, we simply use > the terms "her" and "she" in accordance with her list persona. Yes, of course you're right. And I know it was a weird question to ask but I guess it was because her nym sounds to me more like one a male would use than a female. And since female fegs are still woefully outnumbered I tend to assume male. Besides, you never can tell on this list, what with obvious gender benders like Tom Clark. +brian (hoping James, Quail, et al hang in there) in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:39:51 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: On the bright side... We have a new cat, Haku. He's a 4 month old Oriental Shorthair, ebony coat and green eyes, with a pronounced tail kink. Yesterday's reactions ranged from no big deal to hissing, growly outrage. As of now, Gurney the 2 year old Siamese is following him around and they alternate between keep your distance and let's chase. All upset will probably be forgotten by next week. - - Steve __________ The generally dismal quality of America's mass-marketed pop music is an esthetic national emergency. - Lorraine Ali & David Gates, Newsweek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:43:09 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: free squid report Jeffrey so eloquently said: "Arr! Me eye'oles are squinting from the fartricider herbiage! What's all this?...." This must be a Joyce impression! Did he mean to send it on Friday the 13th or not, this is what the scholars would ask. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:52:51 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: two tins of smokeless alabaster scaffolding Quoting James Dignan : > word. Lighten up, folks. We used to be able to debate this sort of thing > calmly and vaguely intellectually. Debating the points, too, not ad > hominem. And debating politely - knowing what can be said to show a > person's argument without raising the hackles. What's interesting is that every list I've ever been on (I'm talking since '94 or so) goes through episodes like this. Someone gets pissed off, someone else gets pissed off, and the list goes all meta for weeks, and then meta-meta ("why do we have to discuss this contentious off-topic stuff?"), and then eventually, someone says something interesting, and things move on. The other thing is, it's astonishing how little "rudeness" (or what's perceived as such) can create these impressions. Okay...someone was saying something vaguely political (about freeware vs. payware), and someone else took offense at that remark (presumably by taking it as an implied insult to anyone who didn't agree), things heated up, someone insulted someone else's tastes, work, and ethics (and later apologized for same), someone complained about how we're all a bunch of humorless intolerant ideologues these days, and someone complained about how all we do is complain about the list these days. Oh wait - that was me. But in between, I caught quite a bit of - hey! - calm, intelligent, point-based debating by people who weren't sharpening knives in the background. Final point here: I don't see that 9-11 has fuck-all to do with this...I don't think any of the participants' essential points of view have changed re politics, ethics, computer platforms, software and copyright, or monkeys: cute or evil? since then. Maybe I'm just insensitive. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make np: Firesign Theatre _Don't Crush That Dwarf - Hand Me the Pliers_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:01:40 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Feg through the Romper Room mirror (YMMV) Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > >>Where's Eddie? Bayard? Ross? Russ? Tracy? Mark Gloster? Mike Runion? > LJ > >>Lindhurst? Woj? Susan? Nick? Chris F? Drew and Pathetic-Caverns Doug? And Bucky, Firewoman, and John Cameron Swayze? Oops - wrong list. > Tom C.: > >>If I may share probably too much, I think one of > >>the things that turned her around was when I told her "when I was a > teenager > >>it used to gross me out to think about screwing a 40 year old woman, > but > >>I've got to say, you're sexier than ever!" That cemented me as Mr. > Great > >>Guy for months. Feel free to use that, btw. Y'know, I can't quite imagine the first clause would go over too well...but the last one, sure. The key thing, though (as far as that "when I was a teenager" grossing out bit), is *which* 40-year-old woman. Of course, that's true of *which* 30-year-old woman, *which* 20-year-old woman, and no the arithmetical series does not continue - who do you think I am, Jimmy Page? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Nigel Cross's reviews in PT "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > (happy birthday to my sister. I'm sure she'll be whelmed > to find out about the Olsen coincidence.) I can symphathize; I have Ricky Schroeder (in fact, due to his age being mislabeled by his managers for years, I actually thought it was the exact same date for years; he's thankfully two years older). On the other hand though, I have Thomas Jefferson, Al Green, Jimmy Destri, Samuel Becket, Don Adams, Gary Kasparov, and Tony Dow (April 13). ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Jill Brand wrote: > > Is there a band (artist, performer, whatever) that you > > used to love but now absolutely can't stand and don't > > see what attracted you in the first place? > > I don't understand why I thought the first Alanis > Morisette album was quite good. I can't even be bothered > to look up whether I've got her name right. What was I > thinking? There wasn't a single saw or shawm solo on the > whole CD! > > It's similar for The Cranberries, but I know exactly why > I liked them at the time. If you can count only the first single as the "love" period, I'd take the Cranberries too. By the time "Linger" had laid waste over the universe (and Dolores made her obnoxious comments about Harriet Wheeler, Sinead O'Connor, and any and everyone other female singer she had been compared to), I truly detested them, and "Dreams." OMD, though I don't think I'd hate "So in Love" if I came across it anywhere. I reserve the legal right to bludgeon anyone trying to force me to hear a bar of "If You Leave" to death with a looseleave notebook though. And if you count shit from when you were really little, Barbra Streisand and Neil Diamond. Dad deferred to Mom when album selection for the most part when I was really young, so he didn't play his Hendrix and Stones LPs as much I retroactively wish he had. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:54:52 +0200 From: Ethyl Ketone Subject: Re: Luxor & Campari, oh no! On Venerdl, giu 13, 2003, at 23:27 Europe/Rome, Michael Wells wrote: > I wonder if my feeling that this is an album of "outtakes and > prototypes" in the Mossy Liquor vein is what people are saying when > they > feel it was 'tossed off in an afternoon." It certainly has a very > prototypical feel to me, but I think perhaps it was meant to be that > way. And I think the songs on here are very well considered, and not > the > product of a short week's work - though of course as with the rest of > this, that's strictly MHO. > It's weird, I think what I'm trying to say is that WHAT he's writing > about is getting more complex, while HOW he's writing about these > things > is getting simpler - and for me that's 180 degrees around from the > Robyn > I used to listen to. And I like it. > > Of course it can get a little too direct for me, as in One L, but then > if it didn't go over the line at some point it wouldn't be Robyn now, > would it? > No, it wouldn't, you're absolutely right. crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com tickled the keyboard: > Tend to agree with Carrie about Luxor, but probably rate it a little > higher than she does. I like the playing on it, but Robyn seems to be > struggling a tiny bit towards a new voice. A lot of treading water > going on, lyrically speaking. There's a bit of an Ono/Lennon vibe to > his domestic bliss - not entirely productive artistically. I admit, I hadn't really listened to it as a transition piece so I appreciate LL insights to this possible view. I like his out takes such as You & Oblivion and Mossy Liquor, and, of course, all the classics, even back to those lush, over-produced A&M years. So what I was expecting was, as you said, something perhaps less direct, less open. His lyrics so often must be listened to carefully (which I am so happy to do) that this openness is taking me for a loop. But we're all getting older (nod to all birthdays on the list and Robyns) and I admit to getting to a point in my own work that is a "cut the bullshit/exccessive layering of image/medium/text/reference and get to the core of the theme" that is becoming all important (and not always easy to do). Why can't I allow that in others? So thanks for giving me the other side of the coin. I guess I wasn't ready to see the cryptic Robyn I so enjoy address things less cryptically. I'll keep listening! Jill Brand, lei ha scritto: > I think that we New Englanders are inches from mass suicide (start > mixing > up that Kool Aid, Marvin). After the coldest winter with the biggest > snowstorm in NE history, we are experiencing the spring from hell. > June > has seen about 3 sunny days, and I had to turn on my heat a few days > ago. > However, I'm working very hard on being positive. Well, we're setting records here that break the last 100 years for heat high 90s/high 30s (and well over), length of time and amount, not to mention the humidity (down today to 45% from a whopping 90% the last several days). The tempers flaring on the list are echoed in the conversations I hear daily that quickly turn to shouting matches out on the street or on the waterbus. James Dignan penned: > none at the moment - winter weather has set in, so I couldn't be > bothered > today. If I were when you wrote this, it would have been either > Russia's or > the Philippines' flag (June 12th is the national day for both > countries). It's June 14th - Flag Day in the good ol' USofA. I can't imagine how many of those stars and stripes are waving in the breeze in the overly patriotic climate of Bush's America. > James (who's more depressed about Greg's woodpeckers - and house - than > about Regan) > Ditto. And the tree. Wow, terrible thing to happen. Glad you are OK Greg, sorry about the little guys. Capuchin banged away: > Art is merely the perfection of a craft to the point of personal > expression. > > Personal expression itself is not art unless it is shown in a work of > mastery of a craft and mastery of a craft is not art unless it shows > personal expression. > In the immortal words of Keanu Reeves: Whoa. I don't even know if I want to jump into the endless discussion that is the asking of "what is Art." Always goes in circles, there is no definitive answer, depends on who you ask. I'm in Art Ground Zero this weekend with the opening of the Bienele and all I see is a lot of pretentious hob-nobbing/holier-than-thou art star action with about a 10% margin of great work thrown in. It's all photo op, dollar/euro based, about the person, not about the work, crap. But hey, what do I know. One comment on current thread battles: In the last 4 years, I re-subscribed once, for a 2 week period during the elections in 2000, and then quickly unsubscribed (woj remembers) as I could not take the battles being waged on-list. It was so out-of-control-off-topic-taking-it-way-too-personal that anyone who wanted to get a few minutes of fresh feggy air had to wade through days of slashing threads thicker than mud. Humor, intelligence, playfulness, yes, politics and that lovely edge of geekyness and individuality are those things that I love about fegs and that we seem to share in common. To a tee, we are all a bit "off." But this battling on list is just plain tedious. Take my eyes, I've used them, - - c ************************************** "Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself." ************************************** C. Galbraith / Ketone Press meketone@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:58:07 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Passion Flesh Steve Talkowski wrote: > > -Steve (who learned a new word today - thanks Fegmaniax!) phew, I'm glad someone's put a decent dictionary online for free: Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:01:42 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: John Linell comments on Fegtopia John Barrington Jones quotes John Linnell: > > It's like, "Will you sign my CD?" And we're > like, "You didn't actually pay for this, did you?" TMBG have done more music specifically for ads and jingles than most bands ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:05:01 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fnoooop werglewergle et al James Dignan wrote: > >> my intelligence is pentagonal. > > Now *that* could enter the language. Only if I kept insisting that Luxor had actually been released May 1st, despite all available evidence to the contrary. Stewart (wearing his "Gid is my co-pilot" t-shirt.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:20:02 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Nigel Cross's reviews in PT Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > I can symphathize; I have Ricky Schroeder I'm not going to look this one up. Me, I just have folks people won't've heard of: Jeff Beck, Ambrose Bierce, Jack Dempsey, Georgia Hale, Mick Fleetwod, Lara Boyd Rhodes and Sissel Kyrkjebx (both my age). Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:31:18 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: a stinging robyn gathers no liquor All this talk of Mossy Liquor (two mentions in the last day!) had made me want it. But I'm still in a place with not enough flat space for a record deck. Grr. can we ask, "rerelease, please"? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 14:34:11 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: George W. Ford? http://www.msnbc.com/news/926145.asp?cp1=1 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Advanced text editing in OS X On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > Well unless you use a different editor than the default pico with pine, > you ARE using a sort of emacs. Didn't pico start life as microemacs? I do (well, sort of.. it's pine and nano, the free-er pico) and it did. However, I'm (slowly) working on a muttrc that will give me the flexibility of the roles in pine and give me more control over my mail (as well as a better mail client from the building-a-civil-society perspective). And I think there's a big difference between writing mail and code, as far as the demands placed on your editor (though I use vim for prose as well, oftentimes... just not mail). I'm use the ed functions of vi so much that the multi-key-keystroke and multi-keystroke methods of doing the same thing in emacs makes me feel like I'm working too hard to get the same stuff done. The same is true for bracket matching. I like gnus in emacs, from what I've seen, but I think I'm going to move more toward mutt/vim. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #216 ********************************