From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #215 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, June 13 2003 Volume 12 : Number 215 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Advanced text editing in OS X [Ken Weingold ] Re:A distraction: look over yonder ["ross taylor" ] On the bright side... [Tom Clark ] RE: On the bright side... ["Michael Wells" ] Re: On the bright side... [Ken Weingold ] RE: Censure [Eb ] But aren't moderators meant to be, erm, moderate? ["Rex.Broome" ] Nigel Cross's reviews in PT ["Stewart C. Russell" ] more occasional rain makes me ask an important question [Jill Brand ] Re: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question ["Stewart C. ] Re: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question [FSThomas ] What,? The 'Susan' whose sexual proclivities you took such offense to...? [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.c] Luxor (100% RH) ["Michael Wells" ] Re: RE: Censure [Miles Goosens ] Re: But aren't moderators meant to be, erm, moderate? [Tom Clark ] Re: Passion Flesh [Steve Talkowski ] RE: Advanced text editing in OS X. Advanced music downloading everywhere else. [Capuchin ] Re: Advanced text editing in OS X. Advanced music downloading everywhere else. [Ken Weingold ] John Linell comments on Fegtopia [John Barrington Jones ] Re: On the bright side... ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: Safari, so good [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:09:51 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Advanced text editing in OS X On Thu, Jun 12, 2003, Capuchin wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > > No clue. :) The closest I ever get to emacs is the emacs-mode on the > > command line. As much as I use vi/vim as an editor, I think it's a silly > > mode for the command line. > > I totally agree with what you wrote. I like the IDEA of emacs (and all > that elisp stuff), but I've never been able to incorporate it into my > life. One day I might and when I do, it'll be GNU emacs. Well unless you use a different editor than the default pico with pine, you ARE using a sort of emacs. Didn't pico start life as microemacs? - -Ken NP: Rocket From The Tombs - Live from WFMU (god damn this is good shit) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:16:25 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re:A distraction: look over yonder I'd say that in addition to emphasizing recent stuff, it's a stylistically conservative list. I mean, Eddie Arnold instead of Tex Ritter or Merle Travis? (Maybe politically conservative too -- "Stand By Your Man" at #1? "Okie From Muskogee" v. "Mama Tried"). No "Six Days on the Road"? The Carter Family only via the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band? I guess this is where country has gone, smoother sounding, leaving the roughness to rock, & that rock-friendly alt country. Sorta like modern R&B, before rap & hip-hop shook it up. Too bad there's no country genre that's at all analagous to rap. Was Guns & Roses was almost that? Ross Taylor "I'll fix your flat tire Merle" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:18:18 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: RE: Censure Brian Huddell wrote: > > And I'll add my endorsement to Quail's list of > Fegs I'd Like To Hear More From. Sad to say, I think at least half of 'em have left the list, or become such occasional digest-skimmers that they don't post. The few I keep in touch with, their musical taste has moved on from where Robyn was when they joined fegmaniax. I blame MP3s, myself. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:46:00 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: On the bright side... Today is the Olsen twins 17th birthday! http://www.olsentwins.com/ - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:52:05 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: On the bright side... Tom: > Today is the Olsen twins 17th birthday! > > http://www.olsentwins.com/ Bring 'em on! http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm Michael "Living in the Country*" Wells * and where the Hell was Pete Seeger? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:52:06 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: On the bright side... On Fri, Jun 13, 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > Today is the Olsen twins 17th birthday! > > http://www.olsentwins.com/ One more year until every adult mag hounds them to do a spread. - -Ken "I'd buy it" Weingold ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:57:45 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Censure >The few I keep in touch with, their musical taste has >moved on from where Robyn was when they joined >fegmaniax. This moving-on-from-music issue is crucial to the list's obvious deterioration. Though I'd still rank the last Presidential campaign/election squarely in the #1 spot. (On the subject of the music-fan shortage and Fegs We Miss, lemme add the unsubscribed Drew and Pathetic-Caverns Doug to Quail's M.I.A. list.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:22:54 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: But aren't moderators meant to be, erm, moderate? Jeme, then Natalie: >>>You don't want A television, you want Television. >>Me too! Tom Verlaine kicks ass! Damn, almost said that. Got caught up in stupider stuff. ___________ Quail: >>Dammit, am I the only one around here who thinks this list has gotten less >>and less fun? More and more politicized? I'm afraid to post my opinions on >>anything anymore, lest they be greeted by a humorless, pedantic screed. Sometimes you just have to ignore it, or at least the screedy (?) parts. It gets hard when the non-screeds are in little bite-sized packets tucked in amongst the vitriol, but there you go. I was offlist for the 9/11 fallout, so I'm never sure how much of the current political teeth-gnashing derives from that. It sure does seem like, currently, it's little details that gat hashed over endlessly, and everyone really knows everyone else's basic position, so I'm not sure what the point is. On the one hand it's nice that I'm not currently the first person to be thought of as "long-winded", to say nothing of "asshole". But like I said, I do miss the funny. ____________ Tom C: >>Is it obvious I'll be turning 40 this Sunday? No, but Happy Birthday in advance! My wife's got the 40th coming up later this year... let me know what to look out for. Cheers, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:13:04 -0700 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: On the bright side... Michael Well: > Tom: > > Today is the Olsen twins 17th birthday! > > http://www.olsentwins.com/ > > Bring 'em on! > http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm When I was working the reference desk at the Central branch of downtown that site was a godsend for answering countless telephone inquires from creepy sounding men. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:25:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: free squid report Arr! Me eye'oles are squinting from the fartricider herbiage! What's all this? JABba the Peeves-uh Hut, the Grate Quell, Nora's napalm jelly rolls, and in-eFFin-shuttupable posts from yrs fuully... Uh-oh - the plug's been polled! Manny gone overbored! Grab yr planks and spank for yr lives! You'll have to go takesideways! Crustacea! Vegetables! Quizzical rumblings from men named Dennis! ...So, uh, does _Luxor_ have a US release date? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:35:07 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Nigel Cross's reviews in PT Did anyone allude/link to/post Nigel Cross's reviews of Nextdoorland/Side 3 from Ptolemaic Terrascope? My copy just came through, due to the power of international mail forwarding. Given PT's tiny print and fax-alike print quality (is this just for zine cred? It's quite unnecessary in this day [and age]) I doubt I could scan it. He -- not surprisingly -- liked them. Stewart (happy birthday to my sister. I'm sure she'll be whelmed to find out about the Olsen coincidence.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question I think that we New Englanders are inches from mass suicide (start mixing up that Kool Aid, Marvin). After the coldest winter with the biggest snowstorm in NE history, we are experiencing the spring from hell. June has seen about 3 sunny days, and I had to turn on my heat a few days ago. However, I'm working very hard on being positive. Anyway, in an attempt to entertain myself, I posit this question (with accompanying preface)............... On this list, people, at one point, were asked to list their guilty pleasures (music, TV, etc.). I have a different question. Is there a band (artist, performer, whatever) that you used to love but now absolutely can't stand and don't see what attracted you in the first place? I'll be the first to toss in my entry. (trumpets blare) The Police and anything that Sting has anything to do with From 1979-1982, I thought the Police were, in the words of my neighbor, all that and a bag of chips. Then Sting got a nose job and took himself all seriously, and now I switch off the radio every time I hear the Police, even songs that I used to love. The thing is, I don't think that Sting has changed at all; I think he was always seriously in love with himself and that his music was always derivative with few original twists. I have no idea why I was such an avid Police fan. I don't feel that way about any other band, even guilty pleasures (like the Carpenters and Gary Puckett and the Union Gap, both of whom/which still make me smile). Does anyone else have the same reaction to a band that they used to love? I'm just askin' Jill, proudly going to pack for her son, who is going to DC to represent the Massachusetts junior division (group project) at National History Day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:44:01 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: free squid report Jeffrey wrote > > ...So, uh, does _Luxor_ have a US release date? my intelligence says monday, but seeing it's a muggy friday afternoon at the end of a long and odd week, my intelligence is pentagonal. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:49:16 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question Jill Brand wrote: > > Is there a > band (artist, performer, whatever) that you used > to love but now > absolutely can't stand and don't see what > attracted you in the first > place? I don't understand why I thought the first Alanis Morisette album was quite good. I can't even be bothered to look up whether I've got her name right. What was I thinking? There wasn't a single saw or shawm solo on the whole CD! It's similar for The Cranberries, but I know exactly why I liked them at the time. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:00:48 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question At 04:49 PM 6/13/2003 Stewart C. Russell assembled his 1s and 0s: > > > > Is there a > > band (artist, performer, whatever) that you used > > to love but now > > absolutely can't stand and don't see what > > attracted you in the first > > place? >... >It's similar for The Cranberries, but I know exactly why I liked them at >the time. Was it because of Dolores' cat teeth? Years back I was very into the Moody Blues. Not the biggest fan now at all. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:12:24 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question FSThomas wrote: > > Was it because of Dolores' cat teeth? no, I'm only vaguely aware of what Ms O'Riordan looked like. It's 'cos while me and Catherine were first going out, Catherine had an old cheapo radio. The only channel it could pick up was Atlantic 262, a *longwave* hits station with the world's smallest playlist -- about 10 songs in rotation. "Linger" was one of them for months. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:17:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Censure Quail: >Does anyone remember fun? Does anyone remember when you could discuss >pop-culture and politics without being cast as a corporate shill? Does >anyone remember animated conversation between open minds? Or have the >Taste Squad and Thought Police bullied it out of us, run the Surreal Posse into >the ground and tied them down with the chains of political correctitude. Got a mirror handy? I remember you as a main combatant, always ready to extend a flamewar, rather than as some sort of doe-eyed surrealist Belgian nun who got raped by the rampaging Huns of conformity. Jeme's tendency to turn everything into commands and screeds becomes annoying, but its evil twin is your willingness to reciprocate in kind until you've had your say -- then you declare your innocence and sign off from the thread! I also can't agree with you about dating the death of civility here as 9/11/2001. It's been dying for much longer than that. I used to blame Eb for it, but over time, I realized that his tempestuous arrival was more of a catalyst than a cause, because there sure were enough sweet, caring, innocent Fegs who turned out to be willing to claw each other to shreds without much prompting. It's been going on for at least seven or eight years, and well, something that goes on that long eventually wears on folks' souls. Sure, after 9/11, there were some longstanding Fegbattles that got refought, but IMO they didn't seem as ferocious or petty as their predecessors and they died down pretty darn quickly. In fact... >Honestly, I don't know *any* List old-timer who thinks things have >improved since 9-11. The ones that stuck around, anyway. Quail, I've been here years longer than you, and I'm not only still here, I've participating more over the last year or so than I have since, oh, probably '96 or so. Rex is back. We've picked up worthies like Jeffrey. In fact, I've enjoyed the last couple of years on Feg more than any Fegyears between, oh, the Advent of Eb and 9/11. Part of it may be that my other primary music/movies/everything outlet, Loud-Fans, has been in its own state of decline since '99 and isn't quite the lively forum that it used to be, so maybe Feg is just looking better by contrast. But I also thought that the substance and the humor here has been more in balance than at any time in a long while, and it's made me *want* to participate more. And so I have. Hopefully the list will weather this latest tempest and keep its lil' second wind going. >Where's Eddie? Bayard? Ross? Russ? Tracy? Mark Gloster? Mike Runion? LJ >Lindhurst? Woj? Susan? Nick? Chris F? > >I mean, sure some drifted off for their own reasons, yet I can't help but >wonder if some of them are just tired of this constant evangelism. I wouldn't mind seeing some of these familiar folks again, sure, and I'd add some to the list (doug mayo-wells, for instance). But acting as though you stood outside of this "constant evangelism" that may have driven some of them away? Now that's a prize-winning feat of QuailPoofery! If you miss the ol' surreal times so much, quit playing martyr, get off your ass, and write us something surreal. it ain't the evangelism, it's the self-righteousness, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:25:20 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: What,? The 'Susan' whose sexual proclivities you took such offense to...? Quail wondered where... > Susan? ...was Erm...you ran her off the list, remember (?), with one of your typically sensitive and intellectual attacks. Perhaps you forget in the haze of sanctimony that surrounds so many of your posts. Ah, The Golden Age when Quail ruled the roost - yes, we all yearn for those days when you posted so regularly and so wittily... Crowbar Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:27:09 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Luxor (100% RH) I've been quite interested to read other feg reports of Luxor...I seem to sense a lot of ambivalence out there. I'm going to come right out and say it - I *love* the record. I wonder if my feeling that this is an album of "outtakes and prototypes" in the Mossy Liquor vein is what people are saying when they feel it was 'tossed off in an afternoon." It certainly has a very prototypical feel to me, but I think perhaps it was meant to be that way. And I think the songs on here are very well considered, and not the product of a short week's work - though of course as with the rest of this, that's strictly MHO. Joe: > Tend to agree with Carrie about Luxor, but probably rate it a little > higher than she does. I like the playing on it, but Robyn seems to be > struggling a tiny bit towards a new voice. I think this is exactly right, that there's something new coming out here. Perhaps that's why it was produced in the manner it was, and the songs put out as is. I sense the same POV on a lot of Luxor as I hear in "If You Know Time" and "La Cherite;" a more direct, almost confessional songwriting style coming to the fore. I guess I'm comparing this to the older, lush, idiosyncratic Robyn, lyrics full of inference and double entendre that I like so well. The topics might always be serious, but for me there's usually been a certain obliqueness in the way he's approached things (which I like, btw - - that's not a negative). I hear that changing now, to something a little less 'around the edges' and more directly addressing what he's writing about...topics which seem to be getting more personal as well. There's a lot of adult stuff on Luxor, subjects that arise in personal and emotional development, and just plain getting older..."The Sound of Sound," "You Remind Me of You," "Idonia," etc. It's weird, I think what I'm trying to say is that WHAT he's writing about is getting more complex, while HOW he's writing about these things is getting simpler - and for me that's 180 degrees around from the Robyn I used to listen to. And I like it. Of course it can get a little too direct for me, as in One L, but then if it didn't go over the line at some point it wouldn't be Robyn now, would it? Sorry if this has been confusing. I've had it knocking around in my head for a week or so, trying to refine it into something that made sense. I have the feeling that this is an album that'll be with me for awhile. Michael "Luxor rules" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:31:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: RE: Censure Eb: >>The few I keep in touch with, their musical taste has >>moved on from where Robyn was when they joined >>fegmaniax. >This moving-on-from-music issue is crucial to the list's obvious >deterioration. I'll second that as a cause -- and in fact meant to mention it in the post I just sent. As I said in a post a couple of months ago, Robyn's music was much more of an active, vital part of my life through '96 or so than it has been since. And looking back on it, my enthusiasm probably peaked with the Egyptians tour of '92, as it takes a while for mild disappointments to add up and slow drifting to turn into noticiable distance. I'm not sure if it's a "what have you done for me lately?" thing, especially since the latest thing (since I've been waiting for the US LUXOR) was NEXTDOORLAND, which I liked a lot. But it just *is.* Wilco, ex-V-Roy Scott Miller (who's got a new one, UPSIDE/DOWNSIDE, that's not the equal of THUS ALWAYS TO TYRANTS but is still damn good), Wire Mk. III, these guys are filling that central space in my thoughts and heart that used to be squarely occupied by R.E.M. and Robyn. >(On the subject of the music-fan shortage and Fegs We Miss, lemme add >the unsubscribed Drew and Pathetic-Caverns Doug to Quail's M.I.A. I added doug, but forgot Drew, dammit. Should have been right at the top of the list. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:34:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: But aren't moderators meant to be, erm, moderate? on 6/13/03 12:22 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Tom C: >>> Is it obvious I'll be turning 40 this Sunday? > > No, but Happy Birthday in advance! My wife's got the 40th coming up later > this year... let me know what to look out for. > Well, *my* wife's 40th was last September. Take it from me - it takes a bit of walking on eggshells. If I may share probably too much, I think one of the things that turned her around was when I told her "when I was a teenager it used to gross me out to think about screwing a 40 year old woman, but I've got to say, you're sexier than ever!" That cemented me as Mr. Great Guy for months. Feel free to use that, btw. Not that I would kick the Olsen twins out of bed... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:40:37 -0600 From: Cadtharsis Subject: Passion Flesh The Great Quail cheeped in: > There is something to be said about the *way* someone expresses something -- which klingt to me much like Capuchin's: >The way you do things matters at least as much as what you do. Is that full circle? The reason I grooved on Can of Bees and got interested in RH was the passion. The reason why Eye is so good is the calenture. I like RH best when he sacrifices quality for raw emotion. This list is most interesting to me during lively debate (and because it has non-stop geek humor at all levels). I love the passionate geek in all of you and hope you all keep emoting. (I miss Viv!) - - Bi "find the needles of truth in the haystacks of hype" ll Now go buy those discs from Bayard, who was so passionate about that project that I believe royalties were paid to RH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:03:32 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Passion Flesh On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Cadtharsis wrote: > The reason why Eye is so good is the calenture. Robyn had a tropical fever once believed to be caused by heat that forms a furious delirium which sometimes led the affected person (usually among sailors) to imagine the sea to be a green field and to throw himself into it?? Wow. - -Steve (who learned a new word today - thanks Fegmaniax!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Advanced text editing in OS X. Advanced music downloading everywhere else. On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Terrence Marks wrote: > >> If you've got any kind of file-sharing program, you need Spybot > >> (http://security.kolla.de) to keep this off your machine. > > >That's absolutely false. You can use lopster. I can personally assure > >you that there is no spyware, pop-ups, or tie-ins of any kind. And if you > >don't take my word for it, you can read the source. > > > > I believe it. But I say you need Spybot anyhow. Can I get the source for spybot? > I'm a firm believer in the "You Need More Stuff" theory of computer > security. The more processes you run, the more vulnerable you become. > Even if you know what you're doing, read your EULAs thoroughly, and > don't download anything you haven't researched, you still should check > on things to make sure. Nothing I use has a EULA. Most things have a redistribution license, but no user license. You don't need a license to use copies of things that you own. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:16:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Safari, so good On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, FS Thomas wrote: > > From: Capuchin > > > > ... I disagreed because of my idea that using money to make money > > (rather than doing new and useful work) is immoral. > > Heir Marx! So good to see you again! Well, if you're going to compare me to historical folks who believed the same way, it would be just as appropriate to write: Herr Christ! So good to see you again! And Hitler saw the evils of interest lending, too... but he also hated Marx. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:17:56 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Advanced text editing in OS X. Advanced music downloading everywhere else. On Fri, Jun 13, 2003, Capuchin wrote: > Nothing I use has a EULA. Most things have a redistribution license, but > no user license. You don't need a license to use copies of things that > you own. Here's something I was thinking about what you say about software and principles. Does the license with pine go along with them? I don't know exactly what they are, but I know that they will not include it in the totally free distribution packages. I think Debian is like this. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:32:21 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question >From: Jill Brand >Subject: more occasional rain makes me ask an important question >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:42:41 -0400 (EDT) >On this list, people, at one point, were asked to list their guilty >pleasures (music, TV, etc.). I have a different question. Is there a >band (artist, performer, whatever) that you used to love but now >absolutely can't stand and don't see what attracted you in the first >place? Jill, What a great question! Marillion, when I was in high school I was really into them. I sold all the CDs in my second year of college. Max _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:38:29 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Safari, so good > Well, if you're going to compare me to historical folks who > believed the same way, it would be just as appropriate to write: > Herr Christ! That's it. I'm burning all his albums. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: John Linell comments on Fegtopia This just appeared in my inbox. I'm only pasting the pertinent bit: UGO: But that's a testament to the online fanbase you have. You were one of the first acts to start releasing stuff online (Dial-a-Song and "Long Tall Weekend"). What's your opinion on the way technology is really affecting music production? JL: Well we get asked that a lot, and I've come up with kind of a capsule answer, because people wonder if we are angry about, well, getting ripped off, basically, which is sort of a loaded question. But I sort of feel like on the one hand, I do understand the appeal of getting free stuff. I'd like to get everything for free. I think in some weird, imaginary fantasy world, like some version of the Soviet Union that actually worked, that we would get houses and cars for free and we wouldn't have to think about whether we could afford stuff. It would just all be available. But on the other hand, I do sort of want to get paid for the work I do. There should be an incentive to do work rather than, just give it up, it's not yours anymore, you're doing it for the love of it, someone else gets it for free and they give it to all their friends. We run into this situation multiple times, of people turning up with CDs that were burned and asking us to sign them. It's like, "Will you sign my CD?" And we're like, "You didn't actually pay for this, did you?" =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:57:11 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: On the bright side... >From: Ken Weingold >Subject: Re: On the bright side... >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:52:06 -0400 >On Fri, Jun 13, 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > > Today is the Olsen twins 17th birthday! > > > > http://www.olsentwins.com/ > >One more year until every adult mag hounds them to do a spread. > > >-Ken "I'd buy it" Weingold mmmmmmmmmm, spread. Sorry someone had to say it. Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:03:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Safari, so good >J.: >And Hitler saw the evils of interest lending, too... but he also hated >Marx. Paging Mike Godwin to invoke his kin's famous law...... >Miles: >In fact, I've enjoyed the last couple of years on Feg more than any >Fegyears between, oh, the Advent of Eb and 9/11. Woo! I've become a historical marker! Jill: > Is there a >band (artist, performer, whatever) that you used > to love but now absolutely can't stand Actually...no. There are certainly a few hundred acts which I've gone from "kinda liking" to "ehhing" or "not liking," but I can't think of any album/artist where I've radically swooped from "love" to "can't stand." I used to have a bunch of Dead Milkmen freebies, and now I pretty much "can't stand" that band. Except I never felt more than faint enjoyment for them in the first place. Don Fleming's B.A.L.L./Gumball empire almost deserves a nod here...possibly Lenny Kravitz, though I got over him mighty quick.... Babes in Toyland? The Lemonheads? I almost could cite the Church, but that would make James' hair stand on end.... I used to have a cassette of that first Edie Brickell album, and I surely "can't stand" her now.... But none of these acts suffice, because I never "loved" any of them. I could almost say the Osmond clan, but I was way too tiny to know better. They don't count. ;) Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #215 ********************************