From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #205 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 12 : Number 205 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OS X.2.6 (Robyn 0.00) [Mike Swedene ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #204 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: White Belt/White Heat [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Glass Flesh 2 - bargain priced! But not for long! ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: OS X.2.6 (Robyn 0.00) [Ken Weingold ] RE: Geddy Lee's Love Child ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Geddy Lee's Love Child ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Like the artists? You'll love the music... [Scott Hunter McCleary ] and then god was dead [gshell@metronet.com] god dies and beckham moves to spain, maybe [gshell@metronet.com] re: Re: Glass Flesh 2 - bargain priced! But not for long! (fwd) ["Marc Ho] RE: Geddy Lee's Love Child [Miles Goosens ] Re: White Belt/White Heat [Jeff Dwarf ] No Waxy Buildup ["Rex.Broome" ] on eBay ["Marc Holden" ] hail to the thieves ["Stewart C. Russell" ] various artists [Miles Goosens ] RE: various artists ["Iosso, Ken" ] hemorrhoids a-go-go ["ross taylor" ] the accent's on hip [Miles Goosens ] Re: the accent's on hip ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:35:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: OS X.2.6 (Robyn 0.00) Now I am having issue downloading off of websights..... I am running Mozilla and (evil) IE. This downloading issue just popped up all of a sudden. I get to choose to "SAVE LINK AS>>>" and the next thing I know I am rebooting my system after reading some Linux stuff on a terminal-esque screen. Any ideas tc or others? Herbie np -> "No Reply Take 2" Beatles ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:48:02 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #204 >Vince "is this *name*ster thing outdated?" the Vincester welcome back - in your case, the -ster ending makes it sound like a central European trying to name a track off EoL. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:23:49 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: White Belt/White Heat - --On Montag, 9. Juni 2003 13:24 Uhr -0700 Eb wrote: > PS Recommended film of the weekend: "Affliction." Paul Schrader, > Nick Nolte and James Coburn, and the bleakest story I've seen in > awhile. Brrrr. Absolutely. But it's a great movie, if you're into this kind of thing. A friend of mine couldn't relate to it at all, so YMMV. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:01:48 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Geddy Lee's Love Child Always nice to see a re-emerging Feg... and where did the bee sting you? Did it come from a can, and was that the reason you decided to write? On a sadder note, the other day I bought 2112 by Rush for 99p from a charity shop for our (Canadian) drummer. When I got home I listened to it and thought it was dreadful, just awful... I remember having a live album by them years ago and a track called Tom Sawyer being very good... anyone like to give 2112 some context? Good Rush album? Bad one? What would ye Rush fan Fegs recommend? Cheers Matt >From: "randalljr" >Reply-To: "randalljr" >To: >Subject: Geddy Lee's Love Child >Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:35:31 -0700 > >Howdy Fegland, > >Vince here after a rather bad year but, things are looking up despite the >fact that I now live in the dreaded "suburbs" > >Nice to see some faces I recognize anyways and.........I was stung by a bee >the other day. Talk about an omen. > >Vince "is this *name*ster thing outdated?" the Vincester - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get the gossip faster - it's FREE with MSN Messenger! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:13:39 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Glass Flesh 2 - bargain priced! But not for long! I couldn't recommmend the GFs enough - I bought both the other day for an astonishingly bargaintastic $22 (plus $6 international shipping) and I couldn't play them for a couple of days as I just wanted to hold them in my hands, so attractive was their packaging... then when I did play them I was delighted - there's the full spectrum covered, from low to hi fi, from slavish copy to bizarre abstraction, there really is something for every conceivable type of Robyn fan. Not only that, but there's the chance to hear the musical offerings from some of the very Fegs of this list: Chaney, Dignan, Hopsetter to name but three! If you pass up on this offer, well, years from now you'll look back with bitter regret... All power to the mighty Bayard! Cheers Matt >From: bayard >Hi all, > >Just wanted to mention that the long-running sale on the Robyn tribute >"Glass Flesh 2: the return of Kevin Slick - he's back and he's Slick" >is about to expire! This is yer last chance to get these twenty-one great >tracks for just $12.50 (even includes postage and packing, if you're in >the US and Canada, and most of you are, right?) > >Sorry to keep bringing this up - but you saw Ross' embarassing email about >how I'm down on my luck - that's just the way it is, but don't worry about >me, I LIKE Ramen, just ask Chris! > >http://www.glasshotel.net/glassflesh/ > >And check this out! A full-length MP3 of an awesome rendition by the >Virgineers, just one of the fab-o songs on hear: > >http://www.glasshotel.net/glassflesh/mp3/gf-surgery.mp3 > >The Virgineers' album is the feg album I listen to more than any other, >except for Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark's seminal release. Erm, can >I say "seminal release" on the innernet? > >Take care, yall! > >=b > >-- >Lounging against your weapons, >Until your muscles find lock >In the ease of that position, >A residue of tremor passes >As some cherie amour suggests >That maybe it was time to smash things up - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enjoy a faster internet experience when you sign up for a FREE BT Broadband connection! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:27:29 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Glass Flesh 2 - bargain priced! But not for long! Matt Sewell wrote: > > Not only that, but there's the chance to hear the musical offerings from > some of the very Fegs of this list: Chaney, Dignan, Hopsetter to name but > three! hey, you forgot Hamish S -- I got sent some early edits of his track, and it's really well done. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:34:51 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Geddy Lee's Love Child Matt Sewell wrote: > > On a sadder note, the other day I bought 2112 by Rush for 99p from a > charity shop for our (Canadian) drummer. When I got home I listened to it > and thought it was dreadful, just awful... Canada may have very liberal blasphemy laws, but that crossed the line. The Overlord Geddy has already ordered you taken oewt*. Stewart * which is as close as I can get to an Ontarian "out" as text can manage. Oh, and that's taken out for a donut and a nice double-double at Tim's; we are a peaceful nation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:20:07 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: OS X.2.6 (Robyn 0.00) On Mon, Jun 9, 2003, Mike Swedene wrote: > I am running Mozilla and (evil) IE. This downloading > issue just popped up all of a sudden. I get to choose > to "SAVE LINK AS>>>" and the next thing I know I am > rebooting my system after reading some Linux stuff on > a terminal-esque screen. Any ideas tc or others? What you saw was a kernel panic. That's bad. Very bad. First of all, I would recommend using either Camino or Safari for your web browser. Also keep an eye on OmniWeb. Anyway, you have problems if you are seeing these kernel panics often. First, reboot and hold down Cmd+S which will boot into single user mode at a command line. Once you get a prompt, type: fsck -y You will see it run some tests and hopefully report some errors and fix them. Run it again and hopefully it will not report errors next time. Run it until you don't see them anymore, or if you see it after a few times, you need more help. If it eventually says the system is okay, type 'reboot'. If not, get DiskWarrior. DW 3.0 was just released. DW fixes an insane amount of problems, and most people will tell you it's worth its weight in gold. Any btw, this isn't Linux, it's BSD. ;-) If these things don't help, email me privately and I can try and help you more. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:34:44 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: Geddy Lee's Love Child Matt: > anyone like to give 2112 some context? Good Rush album? The context is 27 years ago...Ford was in the White House, "grass" was $25 a "lid" and 2112 sounded pretty damn good stacked up against The Bee Gees, Debby Boone, and Leo Sayer. For recommendations I'd start with these: Permanent Waves (1980) Moving Pictures (1981) A Farewell to Kings (1977) Vapor Trails (2002) But then in short order you'd have to buy the rest of them, so it's kind of a slippery slope. And if you're going to buy, splash for the remasters - I was recently persuaded to upgrade and they're worth every penny. > Bad one? Bite your tongue, laddie. Stewart: > Canada may have very liberal blasphemy laws, but that crossed the line. > The Overlord Geddy has already ordered you taken oewt*. Why Stewart, you've gone native! Michael " * to his country farm, natch" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 9:40:28 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Geddy Lee's Love Child Michael Wells wrote: > > Why Stewart, you've gone native! I've been practicising. I'd also like to correct the common US misconception that Canadians see "oot and aboot". It's more like "oewt and a-boat" here. Maybe I'll write about this in my crap blog. Or maybe I won't. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:03:35 -0400 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Like the artists? You'll love the music... I hope Nora's got HER copy of Glass Flesh then. It will not bore the shit out of you. Ha -- at least I got the cross-post joke on Eb's colonic musings.... Nuff said. - -- ========= Put down that pairie dog, momma, Cause you don't know where it's been. SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Apparently this guy has lots of stuff on ebay if you search for "pule" it's a fun toy AND a hand tool! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2537747337 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:47:18 -0700 From: "randalljr" Subject: RE: Geddy Lee's Love Child Behalf Of Matt Sewell ... and where did the bee sting you? Did it come from a can, and was that the reason you decided to write? I was on my bicycle going down a rather steep hill. Out of the corner of my eye a small golden dot rapidly became larger until "thwack". Like a precision guided missle it managed to strike the 1 inch area between my sunglasses and bike helmet. And I may have been mistaken about it being a bee as it could have been a wasp. On a sadder note, the other day I bought 2112 by Rush for 99p from a charity shop for our (Canadian) drummer. When I got home I listened to it and thought it was dreadful, just awful... I remember having a live album by them years ago and a track called Tom Sawyer being very good... anyone like to give 2112 some context? Good Rush album? Bad one? What would ye Rush fan Fegs recommend? I'd recommend placing a large sock in your white stretch pants ala Alex Lifeson---2112 photo : ) I've found it nearly impossible recommending a first intro to Rush for others simply because each record, or each 5 years or so, are different from the previous. I'd go with the live ones first, although it sounds like "All the Worlds a Stage" may not be your cup of tea. There's "Exit.......Stage Left", "A Show of Hands", and my personal fave, "Different Stages". After the live stuff it's easier to pick which era you'd most enjoy. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:35:28 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: and then god was dead Prof puts apocalypse odds at 50-50 Cambridge University professor Martin Rees considers nuclear terrorism one of the biggest threats. LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- This is the way the world might end: A genetically engineered pathogen is released, debris from an erupting "supervolcano" blocks the sun or scientists in the biggest "bioerror" of them all accidentally trigger a matter-squeezing "big bang." The demise of civilization has been predicted since it began, but the odds of keeping Planet Earth alive and well are getting worse amid a breakneck pace of scientific advances, according to Martin Rees, Britain's honorary astronomer royal. Rees calculates that the odds of an apocalyptic disaster striking Earth have risen to about 50 percent from 20 percent a hundred years ago. The 60-year-old scientist, author of the recently published "Our Final Hour," says science is advancing in a far more unpredictable and potentially dangerous pattern than ever before. He lists as mankind's biggest threats: nuclear terrorism, deadly engineered viruses, rogue machines and genetic engineering that could alter human character. All of those could result from innocent error or the action of a single malevolent individual. By 2020, an instance of bioterror or bioerror will have killed a million people, Rees contends. "There is a growing gap between doors that are open and doors that should be open," Rees, a professor at Britain's Cambridge University, said in a recent interview. The cosmologist concedes that natural disasters have always loomed -- so-called supervolcanoes could explode at any time and asteroids could slam into the planet, causing massive climate changes -- but says the most frightening risks are probably man-made. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/06/09/doom.predictions.reut/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:39:48 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: god dies and beckham moves to spain, maybe Utd accept Barca offer for Beckham Tuesday, June 10, 2003 Posted: 1510 GMT (11:10 PM HKT) LONDON, England -- Manchester United have accepted a bid for their star midfielder David Beckham from Spanish team Barcelona. The offer is subject to a number of conditions including personal terms and Joan Laporta being elected president of Barcelona, the team's Web site said Tuesday. The election is on June 15. The site said: "Manchester United confirms that club officials have met Joan Laporta, the leading candidate for the Presidency of Barcelona. These meetings have resulted in an offer being made for the transfer of David Beckham to Barcelona."........... http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/06/10/britain.beckham.offer/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:16:51 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re: Re: Glass Flesh 2 - bargain priced! But not for long! (fwd) >This is what I forwarded to the other 2 lists. Hope that's cool with you, >Marc >Please don't be offended about the clearly sales oriented tone of this >message. etc. etc. Sorry about that. It was supposed to go to Bayard. I shouldn't send e-mail while under the influence. Later, Marc I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:06:16 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: Geddy Lee's Love Child At 07:47 AM 6/10/2003 -0700, randalljr wrote: >I've found it nearly impossible recommending a first intro to Rush for >others simply because each record, or each 5 years or so, are different from >the previous. You mean some of them don't suck? :-) I'll begin ducking now. providing the reverse corrective to the Feglist's so-unhip-it's-hip pro-Rush corrective, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: White Belt/White Heat Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Eb wrote: > > PS Recommended film of the weekend: "Affliction." Paul > > Schrader, Nick Nolte and James Coburn, and the bleakest > > story I've seen in awhile. Brrrr. > > Absolutely. But it's a great movie, if you're into this > kind of thing. A friend of mine couldn't relate to it at > all, so YMMV. Bleaker than "The Ice Storm?" ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:51:57 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: No Waxy Buildup Eb: >>Recommended film of the weekend: "Affliction." Paul Schrader, >>Nick Nolte and James Coburn, and the bleakest story I've seen in >>awhile. Brrrr. Hey, I liked that one, too. Big ol' downer but very well done. _________ So, not wax, old fashioned ear infection. I am now rockin' on the horse-size pills, some kind of targeted antibiotic. Supposed to see some improvement within 48 hours. Not happening yet, but nobody seems overly concerned. __________ Nora: >>I find that my feelings about an artist's music often vary depending on my >>feelings for the artists personality. Good one. I've heard it posited that women are more likely to factor in artist personality with enjoyment of the work than men are. I'm not sure I agree, but I've seem that arguement a few times, including once in a round-robin discussion amongst the "Women of Lilith Fair", the year Liz Phair was involved, I think (otherwise can't imagine why I would've read the article). Normally if I like the music, and it doesn't seem overtly misanthropic, the personality is secondary. I give some people credit for having an easier time expressing themselves, or even being generous and sensitive, in their art than they're capable of being personally... I bet we can all think of examples of this. Sometimes it makes the art seem disingenuous, but I don't think that's always the case. Some artists are just uncomfortable in their own skins and that's part of the drive to create. Now, when a surly personality overwhelms the presentation of the music, that can give one pause (see recent examples concerning Jay Farrar). I love Cornershop and find their music pretty damned joyous, but I've seen them live and man, Tjinder Singh just looked like he was hatin' life; this is apparently his usual mode at live shows and in interviews, so that does color my impressions of his music now. Sometimes personality things can be dealbreakers for artist on whom I'm undecided... Billy Corgan's whiny stage patter pushed him from "meh" to "despicable" in my book, and reading interviews filled with super-casual homophobia, misogyny, gross materialism etc. will get you off my "might check out your stuff" list instantaneously. Got no time for haters. That's as long a wind as I got in me today... Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:09:40 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2537656306&category=307&rd=1 Someone is selling CDRs of Robyn's 50th birthday show on eBay. Thought I'd point out that before anyone bids over the $20 current bid, that there are going to be CDRs of the show making the trading rounds very soon. Save your money and buy something from Robyn instead... Later, Marc There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life. Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:37:40 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: hail to the thieves I notice that all copies of Hail To The Thief I can find in the stores are "Copy Controlled" -- and I don't think any of my hardware fits the profile ;-( Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:42:53 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: various artists I would never in a million zillion years pronounce the middle "a" in "caramel." KAR-muhl, thanks. Nora: >I find that my feelings about an artist's music often vary depending on my >feelings for the artists personality. Does anyone else ever do that? I >dont know if its a good thing or just annoying personality quirk. I find that about 99% of my feelings about an artist's music depend on my ears, with the remaining 1% split between critical buzz, reverse buzz, what Eb said about them, whether the lead singer was a dick to my friend who's an Amoeba employee when he was helping set up a Berkeley in-store, etc. In other words, if I like the sounds on the record, that pretty much trumps everything else. I also seem to be immune from the oft-discussed (here and on other mailing lists) "first record you owned by an artist is your favorite" syndrome. I'll do some quick examples of some of my all-time favorite artists: Robyn Hitchcock First owned: FEGMANIA! Favorite: I OFTEN DREAM OF TRAINS R.E.M. First owned: MURMUR Favorite: DOCUMENT Wire First owned: PINK FLAG Favorite: A BELL IS A CUP Blur First owned: PARKLIFE Favorite: either MODERN LIFE IS RUBBISH or 13 etc. etc. Natalie: >July 8 - Pernice Brothers (their new album is really growing on me, despite >the lack of the lush sounds that attracted me to their previous one... I was warned off their previous one because of said lush sounds (see my numerous complaints about "overorchestration" and the pernicious influence of "soft rock" on the last twelve or so years of music), so is this the Pernice Brothers album for me? :-) Matt Sewell: >I saw him on the tube years ago, Central Line I believe. My friend and I >were in the same carriage as him and kept squinting down the carriage to >see if it really was him (of course it was, those eyebrows being >absolutely unmistakeable). When we alighted, he stayed on the train. As >the train pulled away and he passed us he gave a broad smile and a wave. >Now I bet you wouldn't get senior politicians on the tube these days, eh? On my last visit to the U.K. (Feb. 2000), I actually rode on the tube in the company of an MP and his son. Not a senior politician, I guess, but it was a totally cool experience. oh, and we've actually heard the Division Bell (as opposed to just THE DIVISION BELL), Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:00:46 -0500 From: "Iosso, Ken" Subject: RE: various artists I like, Miles, was intrigued by Nora's comment: >I find that my feelings about an artist's music often vary depending on my >feelings for the artists personality. Does anyone else ever do that? I >dont know if its a good thing or just annoying personality quirk. I don't know either, but I think it's best if we appreciate public figures (artists, musicians, politicians) for the quality of their product, not their personalities, that's what we have friends for. Besides, I tend to think that the adoration that most of these figures enjoy make it a lot more likely that they'll be jerks - and if their music is beautiful and their words are true, why would we want to cloud the picture with that stuff? -----Original Message----- From: Miles Goosens [mailto:outdoorminer@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:43 PM To: it's only us Subject: various artists I would never in a million zillion years pronounce the middle "a" in "caramel." KAR-muhl, thanks. Nora: >I find that my feelings about an artist's music often vary depending on my >feelings for the artists personality. Does anyone else ever do that? I >dont know if its a good thing or just annoying personality quirk. I find that about 99% of my feelings about an artist's music depend on my ears, with the remaining 1% split between critical buzz, reverse buzz, what Eb said about them, whether the lead singer was a dick to my friend who's an Amoeba employee when he was helping set up a Berkeley in-store, etc. In other words, if I like the sounds on the record, that pretty much trumps everything else. I also seem to be immune from the oft-discussed (here and on other mailing lists) "first record you owned by an artist is your favorite" syndrome. I'll do some quick examples of some of my all-time favorite artists: Robyn Hitchcock First owned: FEGMANIA! Favorite: I OFTEN DREAM OF TRAINS R.E.M. First owned: MURMUR Favorite: DOCUMENT Wire First owned: PINK FLAG Favorite: A BELL IS A CUP Blur First owned: PARKLIFE Favorite: either MODERN LIFE IS RUBBISH or 13 etc. etc. Natalie: >July 8 - Pernice Brothers (their new album is really growing on me, despite >the lack of the lush sounds that attracted me to their previous one... I was warned off their previous one because of said lush sounds (see my numerous complaints about "overorchestration" and the pernicious influence of "soft rock" on the last twelve or so years of music), so is this the Pernice Brothers album for me? :-) Matt Sewell: >I saw him on the tube years ago, Central Line I believe. My friend and I >were in the same carriage as him and kept squinting down the carriage to >see if it really was him (of course it was, those eyebrows being >absolutely unmistakeable). When we alighted, he stayed on the train. As >the train pulled away and he passed us he gave a broad smile and a wave. >Now I bet you wouldn't get senior politicians on the tube these days, eh? On my last visit to the U.K. (Feb. 2000), I actually rode on the tube in the company of an MP and his son. Not a senior politician, I guess, but it was a totally cool experience. oh, and we've actually heard the Division Bell (as opposed to just THE DIVISION BELL), Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:17:07 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: hemorrhoids a-go-go Tom -- >> there. Then the clouds parted and it was like I was hearing for the first > time. My metaphore is that it's like someone just turned the treble back up from zero. Eb-- >So, who has done that cooooool thing they advertise in radio >commercials, where you get five pounds of accumulated gunk flushed >out of your intestines? Man, I'm really starting to feel at home here now! (I.e., man this sounds *really* middle-aged). I guess I'm kinda precocious, being able to trade aches & pains stories w/ my mom. Ross Taylor "Q-Tips -- If you dare!" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:49:37 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: the accent's on hip At 10:33 PM 6/7/2003 -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >Saw Morvern Callar tonight. Good, but shame about the accents. I imagine it's one of those things you'd only be able to tell if'n* you was from there, like me and Rex (um, right Rex?) might guffaw at Jodie Foster's feeble West Virginia accent in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Tone deaf to any Scots flubs, we really, really enjoyed MORVERN CALLAR. By the way, Julianne Moore went the extra mile in HANNIBAL -- she not only got the WV part right to my ears, she muted the accent, just like someone who had spent her adult life in DC would probably sound. In this case, shame about the movie. On TV, all hicks, all sheriffs, and all state troopers are from the Southern U.S. This weekend, I was bitten by a spider and instead of gaining radioactive superpowers, I was instead possessed by the desire to buy and watch the DVDs of Season One of HIGHLANDER, which led me to Examples 3,795 and 3,796 of this phenomenon: one episode featured a whole town of fake-southern-accent rednecks led by a sheriff whose office was bedecked with Confederate memorabilia and artwork; another episode featured a trio of southern-accented "mountain men" who kidnapped Tessa. This even though the show is *visibly* filmed in Vancouver, the cars have Washington plates, and there are lots of references about the woods in either episode being "north" and thus presumably in Canada. Sigh. later, Miles *"if'n" - one of those words I read in plays set in Appalachia that I've never heard any human being say in a real conversation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:20:57 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: the accent's on hip Miles Goosens wrote: > > Tone deaf to any Scots flubs, we really, > really enjoyed MORVERN CALLAR. It's set in Oban -- where, if memory serves, our own dear Crowbar Joe was born -- where the accent is generally soft and lilting. Problems: * Samantha Morton makes no attempt to hide her Nottingham accent. "Mohvehn Callah", she says on the phone on the station platform, where a real Obanite would have had rolling Rs on each one. [Unless in the book, which I haven't read, Morvern is meant to be English, but with a name like that, I doubt it.] * her chum Lanna -- Kathleen McDermott in glorious ueber-Senga+ mode -- is broad Glaswegian. About 100 miles out in a country where 100 yards can make a difference to your accent. Still a good movie, but THE RAT CATCHER'S better. Stewart +: Senga: Glasgow back-slang for Agnes; a bit of a raver, to use a quaint old-fashioned term. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #205 ********************************