From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #199 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 4 2003 Volume 12 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Pencil-necked reap ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: people who cook live animals suck [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: the usual snippiness [Eb ] Sopranos season 4 DVDs? ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Sopranos season 4 DVDs? ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Sopranos season 4 DVDs? [Capuchin ] Re: No, not the music of the Matrix who produced Liz Phair, but... [Jeff ] my oldest friend, the rain (various) ["ross taylor" ] Radiohead/Hail To The Thief at Slate [steve ] About a Boy [Jill Brand ] it's a quaint old fashioned way... [Sabina Carlson ] Re: Animated fish etc. (have given up on boobs) [stevetalkowski@mac.com] Stop the presses! [Eb ] Buzzcocks ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Buzzcocks ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Buzzcocks [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:10:19 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Pencil-necked reap > From: Eb > > Fred Blassie. Dang! Did he ever release anything other than Pencil-Necked Geek? Wait a minute, don't answer that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:30:52 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: people who cook live animals suck Quoting gshell@metronet.com: When quoting mega-URLs, put them inside - they'll remain clickable that way. Or use a service like http://tinyurl.com. Also, remove utterly superfluous commas separating complex subjects from the predicate (see subject line)... ;) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat :: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum :: temporo-spatial anomaly. :: --Crow T. Maslow np: 16 Horsepower _Olden_ (advance) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:54:50 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: people who cook live animals,, suck On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Also, remove utterly superfluous commas separating complex subjects from the > predicate (see subject line)... ;) it represented a pause in thought or idea while I considered the least threatening but still somewhat offensive thing I could say about these people and was therefore required. plus it left more area in which I could inlay subliminally influential waterwarks as well as nanoaudio recorders that transmit their recordings back to me through your replies. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:50:52 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: No, not the music of the Matrix who produced Liz Phair, but... Firstly, Gilmore Girls, Neil LaBute, Interpol. Quail on the Matrix music: >>Well, to be fair, "The Matrix" sort of set the standard. It might not have >>been the first, but it certainly became the movie most identified with the >>trend Just because it was the most successful, though. Even upon first viewing it I found that soundtrack stuff old and predictable. Granted I don't like that style of music much anyway, but just reading the artists on the soundtrack was like looking at a list of the "usual suspects" for menacing movie music. I'm still nonplussed by the almost universal acceptance of The Matrix as "totally original" and "the movie that changed action films forever". Again, it's very good. And again, it's such a pastiche that it puts the original Star Wars, which at least drew on tropes from other genres, to shame in terms of derivative-ness (or whatever). Admittedly, it did introduce that whole bullet-time thing, and thanks to that we have thousands of movies with unmotivated Matrix parodies in them-- there's a technique that's as useful out of context as a lightsaber or kryptonite. Also, Gilmore Girls, Neil LaBute, Interpol. - -Rex "it's actually kind of hard to put together even a small list of things Eb likes" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:55:06 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Picky Broomes > -Rex "it's actually kind of hard to put together even a small list of things > Eb likes" Broome Actually -- and please don't take this personally! -- I think of you as the Broome who has less enthusiasm for various artistic offerings. Eb, while certainly picky and full of ehhhh's, is usually pretty effusive with his praise on many things. And even when he doesn't like something, he can usually point to a few positive things. I value his reviews a lot: http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/ - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:33:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the usual snippiness >-Rex "it's actually kind of hard to put together even a small list of things >Eb likes" Broome I bet that I "like" more movies than you do -- just not the type of movies which ignite discussion on this list. And even so, I probably post more "Saw a good film last night" asides than any other subscriber. I have albums in my permanent collection by over 760 different artists that I "like." And that's not counting a slew of artists which I "respect" but don't bother collecting. I also really like soda a whole bunch. That shit really tastes good, man. I would say your posts are easily as cynical as mine. And considerably more long-winded, in being so. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:22:03 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Sopranos season 4 DVDs? Anybody know if/when the forth season of the Sopranos is gonna be released on DVD for us chumps who don't pay for cable TV? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:26:41 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Sopranos season 4 DVDs? >From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." >Subject: Sopranos season 4 DVDs? >Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:22:03 -0500 >Anybody know if/when the forth season of the Sopranos is gonna be released >on DVD for us chumps who don't pay for cable TV? I have no idea. But hey, have you ever noticed that used CD/DVD shops always have loads of used HBO DVD boxes? I have used copies of the first three Sapranos series and the first season of Oz. Worth the wait too, half price is much better. Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:28:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Sopranos season 4 DVDs? On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Anybody know if/when the forth season of the Sopranos is gonna be > released on DVD for us chumps who don't pay for cable TV? Napster, my friend. I got most of season 4 before it aired. (And usually pre-air episodes are even higher quality than the DVD rips you see. For instance, my episodes of Star Trek: Enterprise were all apparently taken from the Paramount satellite feed and are pristine and extraordinarily high resolution.) I use a client called lopster: J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: No, not the music of the Matrix who produced Liz Phair, but... "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Also, Gilmore Girls, Neil LaBute, Interpol. > > -Rex "it's actually kind of hard to put together even a > small list of things Eb likes" Broome And yet, you still forgot Claudine Longet and Neutral Milk Hotel. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:44:01 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: my oldest friend, the rain (various) Thanks to Brian/Bayard for zip zip! - --- Re. pot, I'm just now reading _The Botany of Desire_ by Michael Pollan, which has some of the best writing I've seen about marijahoona, but I've seen only one or so issue of High Times. The book also has wonderful essays about the human-plant relationship, w/ other sections on the apple, the tulip & the potato. - --- I finally saw 24 Hour Party People. It was a lot of fun, but suffered from having the Happy Mondays as the "second act." As soon as it started focusing on them, I began wishing for more of New Order, or that Tony Wilson was opened up a bit more as a real character. (I bought "Bummed" when it came out, then passed on the other albums, tho I got the impression they were better). Maybe it's because I know so little about that scene, but I found the recreation of the earlier punk stuff & particularly Joy Division believeable & exciting (and entertaining, unlike the Mondays). I've only seen about 5 seconds of film of Ian Curtis performing, and that w/ some other group's music on the soundtrack, on a Waxtracks video compilation. Anyone know if 24HPP got him accurately? Ross Taylor "son don't stay out too late try to get home by eight son don't stay out til the break of day cause you know how time fades away" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: Googlism > >have you guys seem this? it's a search engine that apparently uses Google > >to find concise information bits. > > Damn...is anyone even reading this list anymore? That means you already posted this. Apologies, etc - -- "It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare, that they are difficult." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:46:52 -0500 From: steve Subject: Radiohead/Hail To The Thief at Slate > The promise of Godard and the Beatles is now, 40 years later, most > engagingly in the hands of Almodsvar and Radiohead. A discussion of Radiohead and Hail To The Thief at Slate's The Music Club - http://slate.msn.com/id/2083783/entry/2083833/ - - Steve __________ We've created this cottage industry in which it pays to be un-objective. It pays to be subjective as much as possible. It's a great way to have your cake and eat it too. Criticize other people for not being objective. Be as subjective as you want. It's a great little racket. I'm glad we found it actually. - Weekly Standard writer Matt Labash, on the right wing media ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: About a Boy Eb wrote about the ridiculous ending of the film version of About a Boy, something to the effect that Hollywood had to have a cushy ending like that. Well, that is exactly correct. The ending of the book is absolutely and completely different, with the boy (whose name I have forgotten) running off with his older punk "girlfriend" (he has a crush on her/she finds him novel). The end is zany, but not Hollywood. I like Nick Hornsby (Hornby?) a lot, and felt that this was a shabby treatment of a good book. Jill, back to researching The Move ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:29:16 -0400 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: it's a quaint old fashioned way... hey fegs! it's sabina. i know i haven't been talking much lately (bio honors doesn't quite allow time for much e-mailing) so i don't know if anyone would have really noticed but.... well, anyways, i thought i'd let everyone know that soon i am gonna be unsubscribing from the list for a little. finals are coming up (*grumble grumble*) and i have to study like a madwoman (not that i'm not one already). then i am leaving for massachusettes 2 days after finals where i will be away from a computer for around a month. the e-mails would really just be piling up for 2 months and my computer can't exactly handle that hehe. so, yeah! as parting hitchcock-related news (cuz we haven't had much in a while) i managed to get one of robyn's songs into shakespear's "much ado about nothing" that we performed at school and i put 2 hitchcock songs into the OneAct original play that i wrote for LA that's getting reviewed tomorrow! much fun stuff: robyn in a shakespearian play and a short play about a mental break down :-). also, apparently my language arts teacher had breakfast with robyn in california or somewhere when he was a radio station dj/owner... i like it when i end up with really cool teachers :-) anyways, thanks for everything! you all were really cool to this weird little kid. i appreciate it a lot and am going to miss all the off-topic-ness and everyone on the list! see you all in august! :-) and it's only a poisonous plant, sabina sheena ps: sorry for all the smiley faces! i think i may have put one too many.... hehe np: "i often dream of trains" .... i don't need to tell you all who does this song. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:27:01 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Westies (5% Matrix) >OK, Rex, for the first time, I'm disappointed in you -- I realized that >"Rock of the Westies" was a play on "West of the Rockies" back when it came >out, and I was only 11 or 12 then ;) > >In fact, it was recorded at Caribou Ranch in Colorado, as were several of >his other mid-70's albums, which provided an actual reference point for the >album title, since Caribou Ranch is in the Rocky Mountains. > >Aw, hell, maybe no one else recognized the word-play except us Colorado >kids... Aucklanders recognised a pun, too, but for completely different reasons. "Westies" are people from West Auckland. Compare the reputation of Jersey City residents, or Essex girls. They like their rawk loud and uncluttered by things like lyrics than mean anything as they go hooning around in their V8s on a Suaturday night looking for the latest party to crash. So "Rock of the Westies" is actually used by a loud-to-heavy radio station here as its slogan. - --- >But having said that, yeah, it's obvious that Gibson's world of cyberspace >bears the closest similarity to The Matrix itself. But then, even his >"Aleph," the Matrix-like artificial universe from "Count Zero," was a nod to >Borges.... I'd assumed it was a nod to Van Vogt's Null-Aleph James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:35:10 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Radiohead/Hail To The Thief at Slate steve wrote > > A discussion of Radiohead and Hail To The > Thief at Slate's The Music Club and not one of them comment on how it looked like an Olivia Tremor Control cover. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:42:32 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: it's a quaint old fashioned way... >hey fegs! it's sabina. i know i haven't been talking much lately >(bio honors doesn't quite allow time for much e-mailing) so i don't >know if anyone would have really noticed but.... well, anyways, i >thought i'd let everyone know that soon i am gonna be unsubscribing >from the list for a little. finals are coming up (*grumble grumble*) >and i have to study like a madwoman (not that i'm not one already). >then i am leaving for massachusettes 2 days after finals where i >will be away from a computer for around a month. the e-mails would >really just be piling up for 2 months and my computer can't exactly >handle that hehe. so, yeah! Well, crud...there goes the list's only fresh blood in ages.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:59:38 -0400 From: stevetalkowski@mac.com Subject: Re: Animated fish etc. (have given up on boobs) On Monday, June 2, 2003, at 09:42 PM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Steve Talkowski wrote: > >>> The humans still look totally unnatural, though, >> >> Agreed. Again, it's a conscious stylization they employ to enhance >> the non-human characters. > > Well, conscious stylization or not, it looks funny. I mean, I don't > know, > I watched cartoons on Saturday morning as a kid and I don't remember > ever > once thinking "those people walk funny" even though they must have all > been heavily stylized too. Spoken like someone who's been indoctrinated by viewing one too many looped Hanna Barbara walk cycles as a child... I'm teasing, of course - those of us who watched during the early 70's were ingrained with horrendous Saturday morning animation, with the exception of Gumby! A link to The Incredibles trailer has just surfaced. Give it another look and marvel at some top-notch character animation (while keeping in mind that's it's just a teaser trailer): (Windows Media Player and RealPlayer only) And while yer at it, check out this kids work - it's quite impressive: http://www.leo3d.com/main/Animation/Anims/TheButterly.mpg http://www.leo3d.com/main/Animation/Anims/WalkCycles.mpg - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:54:29 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Stop the presses! LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Veteran singer-songwriter Barry Manilow, recently waking up disoriented in the middle of the night, walked into a wall and broke his nose, knocking himself unconscious, the entertainer disclosed on Tuesday. The accident occurred at his home in the desert resort of Palm Springs, California, just after Manilow had returned from a two-week stay in the seaside town of Malibu, where he was producing an upcoming album for his old boss, Bette Midler. Roused from a sound sleep thinking he was still in Malibu, Manilow got up and "veered to the left instead of the right and slammed right into the wall," he said in a statement released by his management company, Stiletto Entertainment. He passed out for four hours, and though he was not seriously hurt, the 56-year-old performer said the mishap left his nose quiet swollen. His sense of humor remained intact, however. "I may have to have my nose fixed, and with this nose, it's going to require major surgery," he said, referring to his famously prominent profile. The statement did not make clear exactly when the accident occurred. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:01:28 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Buzzcocks Man, about a year ago, I was saying that hardly any good shows come to my area (Tempe, AZ), but since then, things have changed a bit. We've had Robyn Hitchcock, X, the Cramps, John Wesley Harding, Richard Thompson, the Strokes, Peter Gabriel, Elvis Costello, Paul McCartney, Sleater-Kinney, etc, etc. It's nice not to have to take the whole weekend off to catch a show or two in California. I still have tickets for Lou Reed in a couple of weeks. I just got back from seeing the Buzzcocks. I had seen them last year in California with X, the Damned, and the Sex Pistols. They were totally great then, but their set was very short due to it being part of a festival. It was really good to see them play an entire show finally. The sound was a bit muddy, so the vocals were pretty buried, but otherwise they sounded great. I hung around after the show for a while, and someone with the band said I should come on in. I wound up talking to Steve, Pete, and Tony the bass player for a while, and they signed my CD insert. The paint marker I had started to dry in the middle of Pete's signature, but he got it going again. He told us about the time he signed a girl's arm, and was having trouble with the pen, so he had to go over part of his name again. Later, he found out, she'd had a tattoo artist go over the autograph to make it permanent. It turned out pretty well, including the error that he'd had to re-trace, so she wound up with a tattoo that said "Pete Shellley". If you get a chance to see them on this tour, go for it. It's a great time. Later, Marc Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 08:25:00 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Buzzcocks >From: "Marc Holden" >Subject: Buzzcocks >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:01:28 -0700 > Man, about a year ago, I was saying that hardly any good shows come to >my area (Tempe, AZ), but since then, things have changed a bit. We've had >Robyn Hitchcock, X, the Cramps, John Wesley Harding, Richard Thompson, the >Strokes, Peter Gabriel, Elvis Costello, Paul McCartney, Sleater-Kinney, >etc, >etc. It's nice not to have to take the whole weekend off to catch a show or >two in California. I still have tickets for Lou Reed in a couple of weeks. Kathy and I saw Lou last night, good show. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:38:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Buzzcocks On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > Kathy and I saw Lou last night, good show. That could be, but...from what I've heard (2-3 tracks) from that "Raven" thing, it's in contention for worst album ever. Lou babbling meaninglessly over some rather vapid jams that go on for seemingly hours...who would have ever thought that in the Poe adaptation sweepstakes, Alan Parsons would best Lou Reed? (Okay, it's possible that all the other tracks are brilliant, but...what I heard made that "Possum" song sound like genius and concision.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #199 ********************************