From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #195 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, May 30 2003 Volume 12 : Number 195 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jung Bong [Miles Goosens ] Re: the new mary jane ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] RE: Outlaw Blues [Catherine Simpson ] may the lords of rock strike me down... ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: comedy/rude TV firsts/Lanois [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: comedy/rude TV firsts/Lanois [Dolph Chaney ] Re: But what about Rock's Biggest F-Holes? [Aaron Mandel ] RE: But what about Literature's Biggest F-Holes? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Stop me when I'm passin' by... [Tom Clark ] RE: But what about Literature's Biggest F-Holes? [Eb ] Re: Bunnymaniax ["Jason R. Thornton" ] you really need to see this... ["Roberta Cowan" ] Re: you really need to see this... [Steve Talkowski ] Spring mix swap [John ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:11:43 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Jung Bong At 02:13 PM 5/29/2003 -0700, Eb wrote: >Incidentally, does he pronounce his name "YUNG" or "JUNG"? "Yung." >I've never heard the name before today. If you don't follow baseball closely, no reason you would have. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:19:27 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: the new mary jane > From: "Michael Wells" > Subject: RE: the new mary jane > > Only if you want "pre-existing stonewabbage" listed on your form. I'll be sure to send a memo to Tina in HR to add that to the health plan form. Funny, but the word "stonewabbage" makes me think of the band Chilliwack. Guess I've got a case of the Canadians today. > Have you gone native yet, Stewart, and named your bong "Cygnus"? I hear > all Canadians do that. Dunno about Canadians, but mine's called Rocinante. "Those who did not fight brought buds of green to light. My Rocinante sails by night on, ah, her, blub blub blub, final flight. Glug glug glug. What?" > Michael "no stems no seeds that you don't need" Wells NP: Freur, Doot Doot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:50:58 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Outlaw Blues Back in the mid 70's, on his "Rock of the Westies" album, Elton John did a song called "I Feel Like a Bullet (in the Gun of Robert Ford)". It's one of my favorite old songs of his... check it out for a bit of nostalgia ;) Catherine >Wondered who Robert Ford was, so used that handy item called the >internet to look it up. Turns out that he's the guy who killed Jesse >James. When I looked at a photo of him, I found there was minimal >resemblance but perhaps when the song was written it was true. Anyway, >it's fun to settle these things after wondering about them. >Barbara Soutar >Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:55:05 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: may the lords of rock strike me down... >anyone know where jonathon richman placed on that list? he >deserves top 5 billing, if you ask me. at least albini is honest about >being a prick; jonathon does that whole "i'm so cute, really I'm an >overgrown 5-year-old" routine, when really he's an enormous schmuck. In January Jonathan Richman played here for free along with a bunch of other acts including Quasi's Sam Coomes's solo act, Blues Goblins. Sam's thing was pretty cool, not quite my style - I'd rather hear Quasi. (I very nervously gave tinfoil objects to Sam and Janet Weiss - he was nice and shy, she was friendly but extremely brusque.) Anyway, I was keen to see Jonathan Richman because "Pablo Picasso" changed my life when I was in 8th grade, proving to me that cool stuff existed outside the hellish confines of my junior high school. I'm not familiar with any of his later stuff. Man, was he annoying - - milking this total cutesy-poo whimsical shtick while the audience giggled and swooned over his dopey antics. I couldn't stand it. After he played "Pablo Picasso" I left. Blasphemous but true. I wonder if that's how Robyn appears to the uninitiated... substituting "surreal and eccentric" for "cutesy-poo and whimsical." Hell, I don't know. n., who also saw Sam Coomes in line at the supermarket last weekend _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:31:50 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: But what about Rock's Biggest F-Holes? Edward: >> But for my money, the king of all celeb/pot incidents will always be... Wait, don't forget Bob Denver being busted for having pot mailed to his home in West Virginia. Gilligan's Ganja... Otherwise I don't have much to say about pot; I can't stand the stuff. _______ Tom C: >> I saw a commercial for Kohl's department store that I swear used a J. >>Richman track. "Ice Cream Man"? I know that's in an ad for something right now. The ad literally shows, like, an ice cream man driving around with kids following him on bikes. It really made me want to buy whatever it was they were selling and/or engage their services or something. _____ Jeff D: >> It's just that thinking about John Ritter's testicles makes the rest of us >>nauseous. Oh, hell, me too; it's just that I can't bear to suffer alone. ________ Michael G: >>"Terrance Stoker, Gay Squid > Hunter!" comix >>OK, I give up. How does he check out the sexual orientation of the giant >>squids? Dude. He just hunts them. I never said he found them, or how he would know if he had. Seriously. It's gonna be good. Prolly he has some kind of cephalopod gaydar device, or "gay squid sense". Because with lame powers comes lame responsibility. _________ Jill: >>Rex, why did you say that liking White Teeth is lame? I thought it was a >>wonderful book, and I'm reading Zadie Smith's latest (The Autograph Man) >>now, and it's pretty great, too. Autograph Man is next on my list. "I guess that makes me lame" was just my extrapolation of what the average list opinion of White Teeth would be. I really liked it, actually, but I was guessing that around these parts it would be perceived of as, I dunno, trendy, and yeah, perhaps Ent-deficient. I guess I've really become convinced that the feg-list is all about everyone trying out-alt each other. Either that or I'm becoming paranoid from all that pot I've been smoking. ______ Cool to see a digest listing three interesting-sounding old records that are new to me; thanks Brian & Barbara. I hate new music! Half-listened to a live set by Starlight Mints, of whom I'd never heard until last week, this morning. It was alright. I heard less Pixies and more of refined version of Pavement with the obligatory 21st Century non-rock Pet Sounds-evocative instrumental flourishes, which made me surprised that Miles likes them so much (knowing his love for all things Pet Sounds-inspired). Anyways they sounded like one of those bands where the lyrics would be the make-or-break selling point for me, but interesting enough to look into. Awful name, though. - -Rex, in no mood, no mood at all ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Groove Puppy Subject: mp3 Hunt (way off topic) Anyone perchance have Lord Rockinghams XI doing "Hoots Mon" in mp3 (or other)? My Gran used to have the 78 and I have to hear it again. Off list please if you can help. Cheers (H) ===== CHUCKHOLE All that great punk rock taste with only half the calories. http://clix.to/chuckhole http://www.mp3.com/chuckhole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:57:25 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: comedy/rude TV firsts/Lanois >Following the recent discussion on comedy films, I thought all you >listophiles might like to see the Independent's "10 most influential >comedy films": > >Some like it hot (1959) >Dumb and dumber (1994) >Kind hearts and coronets (1949) >The graduate (1967) >The general (1927) >This is Spinal Tap (1984) >Annie Hall (1977) >Bringing up baby (1938) >The producers (1968) >Airplane! (1980) > >Following the success of my recent quantitative posts, I have done a >statistical summary of the dates of these films in order to establish the >ideal year in which to have made a comedy classic: > >[...] > >I would interpret this to mean that the ideal year to make a comedy >classic was 1964, but the "typical" year was 1967. Thus "The graduate" is >the most typical influential comedy film (and I haven't even seen it!). On >the other hand, any year between 1946 and 1981 looks reasonable. 1964... the year of "Dr Strangelove". Then again, "between 1946 and 1981" doesn't explain either Blithe Spirit (1945) or A fish called Wanda (1988). Perhaps its the confusion of "best" and "most influential". FWIW, I'd also vote for "I'm all right Jack", and "The thin man". >>>PS Yesterday, I heard that "St. Elsewhere" was the first >>>(primetime?) TV show ever to say the word "testicle." Huh. > >But apparently "Three's Company" was the first to show one (or two) albeit >inadvertantly. God, that's the second time I've mentioned that in as many >weeks. Did I just imagine that it ever happened? heh. My favourite TV first was probably the horrible comedy skit show "The Neville Purvis Show". Last minute of the last episode made (back in about 1979) had the two regulars from the show, Arthur Baysting (a.k.a. Neville Purvis) and Bruno Lawrence sitting on the ood of a car discussing how they thought the series went: Nev: pretty horrible wasn't it? Bruno: ah, it could've been worse. Nev: oh? Bruno: yeah - at least no-one said fuck. A delightful revelation to sixteen-year-old me. I wrote: >Spoilers would still be appreciated for more recent series, though. yeah - I did miswrite that, didn't I. "Spoiler alerts" are still appreciated on emails about the next series is what I meant to say. Blame senescence. >Here's an article that I read today. Looks like an interesting CD which >was produced back in 1974 by Daniel Lanlois and his brother. I had never >heard of them before. Perhaps their band name was not the best... BTW - anyone know anything about Lanois's new album? Is it out yet? Reviews? James, no longer a thirty-something, as of eleven hours ago. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:45:17 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: comedy/rude TV firsts/Lanois James said (I'm done with Sergio): >BTW - anyone know anything about Lanois's new album? Is it out yet? Reviews? I heard one track, with prominent Bono vocals, and it made me very happy. Picks right up from FOR THE BEAUTY OF WYNONA, which is *exactly* what I wanted it to do. dolph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:28:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: But what about Rock's Biggest F-Holes? On Thu, 29 May 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Autograph Man is next on my list. "I guess that makes me lame" was just > my extrapolation of what the average list opinion of White Teeth would > be. I really liked it, actually, but I was guessing that around these > parts it would be perceived of as, I dunno, trendy, and yeah, perhaps > Ent-deficient. I never quite got the White Teeth thing. I read it, but had been prepared beforehand by people claiming that Zadie Smith was all style and no substance. So what did I get? A freakin' multi-generational slice-of-life drama. That seems pretty substantial to me. I liked it okay, it just wasn't what I'd expected. She had a short story in an issue of McSweeney's that was flashier (and similarly enjoyable). Of course, it's hard to be less substantial than the McSweeney's crew. Regarding Ents: Most of the people I know who hold up LOTR as a great work of literature (not me -- couldn't finish the books, barely stayed awake through the first movie) are more oblivious to mainstream literary fiction than contemptuous of it. Not so for you? aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:06:53 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Lanois/Sylvian/Bunnyman At 11:57 AM 5/30/2003 +1200, James Dignan wrote: >anyone know anything about Lanois's new album? Is it out yet? Reviews? It is out, and it's titled "Shine." It is quite similar in feel and style to his first two solo albums, and just as good. Well worth getting if you're a fan of "Wynona" and "Acadie." Also, the new David Sylvian album "Blemish" was just released on his new private label, and it's much more consistent and intimate than his last album, which was a couple of "soft rock" songs too long. "Blemish" is akin to the "Darkest Dreaming" on the last one - mostly minimalist ambient music with vocals. Another album I just picked up is the new Ian McCulloch album "Slideling," which is much more like an Echo album than his previous solo works. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:57:01 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: But what about Literature's Biggest F-Holes? Aaron: >>Regarding Ents: Most of the people I know who hold up LOTR as a great >>work of literature (not me -- couldn't finish the books, barely stayed awake >>through the first movie) are more oblivious to mainstream literary fiction >>than contemptuous of it. Not so for you? Nah, that sounds accurate. You can see that dischotomy at work at any given Barnes & Noble. I was feeling cranky, keying off of Jill's suggestion, and somehow "ent-deficient" sounded like a funny way to describe non-fantasy lit, although I don't think it really was. Of course, I'm probably even more confused about what constitutes mainstream lit-fic than about what constitutes mainstream anything else, and that's pretty confused. On the one hand there are the books likely to be adapted into Meryl Streep Oscar-bait films and on the other there are those purportedly iconoclastic literary-phenom-author books where the author writer center stage... I dunno. FWIW I do find Smith a little less smug (for lack of a better word) than most of what you call the McSweeney's crew. I've never read a whole issue, but knowing who the participants are (some of whose novels I've quite enjoyed and some I can't imagine reading without financial compensation), I dunno... I think her relative youth might be a virtue amongst that crowd. My wife has pictures of Michael Chabon, who is apparently now viewed as somewhat of a "hunk", dressed up as a town crier from when she knew him on the Maryland Renaissance Faire circuit. Penn & Teller, too. Weird. - -Rex np on the radio: Eb-faves Hot Hot Heat. Eb, I thought you disliked the Cure pretty strongly? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: laptop advice (100% off-topic content) Hey! I need some advice from those of you who really know your Wintel laptops. A friend of a friend of mine wants to buy one for his brother, who lives in Syria. He's looking for a used Windows laptop with CD-ROM drive, to be used mainly for email, web-surfing, and word processing. We're working with a $400 budget, for which I figure we can get something in the 300-400 mhz range. So, what do you folks think about: - -what brands or models to look for (or avoid) - -how much RAM we should try to get - -which versions of Windows, Internet Explorer, and MS Word are best for a 300 to 400 mhz laptop. (Note: MacOS is not an option, alas) - -where to buy (aside from half.com, which we're already looking at) - -where to find electrical adapters for countries like Syria Thanks for any advice you can give! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:37:58 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Seattle calendar Hi Karla, I looked at the Seattle calendar, don't think there's anything there that we could post on our site. But I am interested in their layout and will see if there are any hints that I can use on our calendar. They seem to have a nice way of explaining things. Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:49:55 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Stop me when I'm passin' by... on 5/29/03 4:31 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Tom C: >>> I saw a commercial for Kohl's department store that I swear used a J. >>> Richman track. > > "Ice Cream Man"? I know that's in an ad for something right now. The ad > literally shows, like, an ice cream man driving around with kids following > him on bikes. Yeah, that was it. I almost expected to see JR driving the ice cream truck ala Steve Buscemi in "Trees Lounge". >It really made me want to buy whatever it was they were > selling and/or engage their services or something. That's the mark of great advertising!! - -tc, who uses TiVO to view commercials at 20x ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:01:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: But what about Literature's Biggest F-Holes? >np on the radio: Eb-faves Hot Hot Heat. Eb, I thought you disliked the Cure >pretty strongly? I wouldn't say that I dislike them strongly. They're more of an "Ehhh." And really, Hot Hot Heat's resemblance to the Cure is isolated within the singer's vocal style. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Bunnyman "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > Another album I just picked up is the new Ian McCulloch > album "Slideling," which is much more like an Echo album > than his previous solo works. Huh, because I actually think the exact opposite. It sounds much more like a singer-songwriter album that a Bunnymen record. It reminds me of _What are You Gonna Do With Your Life?_ more than anything else, which is nominally an EATB album, but given Will's lack of creative input isn't really much of one spiritually. In fact, it's my assumption that the reason Mac is re-launching his solo career is so he could do an album like this when he feels like it without having to bother Will, who made it pretty clear afterwards that he didn't enjoy (nor particularly like) WAYGTDWYL -- and Will can go do Glide when Mac wants to play Jo[hn]ni[e]Mitchell (and vice versa). As for the other two, I think Mysterio was a pretty conscious attempt to try to make a Bunnymen album without any other Bunnymen (why it fails so much -- this isn't meant as a slight against Mike Mooney btw), and Candleland is somewhat in between those two positions (and more successful at being semi-Bunnymenish when it tries to be). ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:03:49 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Bunnymaniax At 11:20 AM 5/30/2003 -0700, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >It sounds >much more like a singer-songwriter album that a Bunnymen >record. It reminds me of _What are You Gonna Do With Your >Life?_ more than anything else... Well, it definitely feels more like the later Bunnymen releases (Evergreen/What are You Gonna Do With your Life?/Flowers) than it does the earlier, "classic" records. I'm not sure I would try to make a singer-songwriter/band distinction between any of the Echo or Ian McCulloch albums, except maybe between the first few and everything else that followed. I think McCulloch could have released Slideling as an Echo album, and it would have fit in perfectly with Evergreen or Flowers. >As for the other two, I think Mysterio was a pretty >conscious attempt to try to make a Bunnymen album without >any other Bunnymen (why it fails so much -- this isn't >meant as a slight against Mike Mooney btw), and Candleland >is somewhat in between those two positions (and more >successful at being semi-Bunnymenish when it tries to be). Neither really seems like an attempt to repeat the Bunnymen to me, although naturally McCulloch's solo stuff is going to have at least some similarities. Both Mysterio and Candleland strike me as purposeful departures from the Bunnyman sound while retaining key elements of McCulloch's style. With Slideling, McCulloch seems more comfortable with the Echo sound. Or perhaps he just had more influence on how the last three Bunnymen albums came out, and Slideling reflects that. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:26:25 -0400 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: you really need to see this... http://myweb.cableone.net/gryphon/honda.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:58:58 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: you really need to see this... On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 04:26 PM, Roberta Cowan wrote: > http://myweb.cableone.net/gryphon/honda.html Yes, this made the rounds of the CG/FX community last month. There IS one bit of CG compositing employed because the space wasn't large enough for one continuous shot, so they split it in two. Of course, comparisons to one of the ultimate Rube Goldberg-ian films, "The Way Things Go" (1987) were inevitable and thoughtfully referenced. - -Steve (busy rigging computer generated cherubs that serve as "guardian angels" for a live action BMW spot I'm directing and animating on) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Washington, DC club night starting 6/6/03 Hey DC-area folks: I'm helping (in a very modest sort of way) to promote a club night some friends are starting on June 6 -- one week from tonight! It's called "White," and no, that's not a reference to any sort of dress code; in fact, black would probably be more the ticket. The music will be "dance, synthpop, new wave, '80s, electro, and Britpop" -- not standard Feg fare, but some may like it. Doors open at 10 pm, with free admission 'til 10:30, at Club Daedelus, 1010 Vermont Ave. NW (corner of K St., close to the McPherson Square Metro). For more info, see and . - --Chris np: Pet Shop Boys, "It's a Sin" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:32:48 -0000 From: "melissa" Subject: totally OT... Anyone going to Burning Man this year? Mel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:06:57 +0100 From: John Subject: Spring mix swap - -- John, john@bartlett132.screaming.net on 30/05/2003 Hello all, since I'm on both lists, I'm mailing to both, some apologies if some get this twice. Tim Reed sent me a mix entitled "Northeast Corridor Disc", featuring power pop bands from the US Northeast. Here's the track listing. 1.Shoes - "Tomorrow Night" 2.Pearl Harbour - "You Got It" 3.Marbles - "Computer Cards" 4.Nervus Rex - "Don't Look" 5.Feelies - "Fa Ce La" 6.Dbs - "Dynamite" 7.Neighborhoods - "Electricity" 8.Robin Lane - "Things Go Wrong" 9.Atlantics - "Lonelyhearts" 10.Outlets - "Knock Me Down" 11.Richard Lloyd - "Alchemy" 12.Producers - "What She Does To Me" 13.Bangles - "Everything I wanted" 14.Loud Family - "Don't Respond She Can Tell" 15.Zumpano - "Behind The Beehive" 16.Posies - "Solar Sister" 17.Rooks - "Reasons" 18.Evan Dando - "Down About It" 19.Yo La Tengo - "Tom Courtenay" 20.Fat Little Demons - "Big Girls" 21.Beulah - "Lay Low For The Letdown" 22.True Love - "Wrong" 23.American Analogue Set - "Punk As F**k" Thanks very much Tim. I'm particularly interested to know more about Zumpano and True love based on the tracks here, and thanks for the dbs track. It's been a long time since I heard that one. Cheers, John. NP - A Half Man Half Biscuit comp made for Stuart Mason. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #195 ********************************