From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #193 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 29 2003 Volume 12 : Number 193 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alas more squid than bulbous, but bonus profanity! [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Alas more squid than boobs, but bonus profanity! [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: Comedy [Michael R Godwin ] naughty words and a-holes ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Chris Langham ["Matt Sewell" ] Nipples are pretty easily blurred anyway ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: naughty words and a-holes [Eb ] Re: Comedy [Eb ] Puffed up [Eb ] Re: Comedy [Tom Clark ] Look at the dust cover on that! [Glen Uber ] Bong, James Bong ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Puffed up [steve ] Re: six feet down under [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] snoertsploosh [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] In the minority ["Marc Holden" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:11:10 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Alas more squid than bulbous, but bonus profanity! > Mike G: > >>In pursuit of my 1953 campaign, I've just seen "20,000 leagues under > >>the sea" on TV. Best fight between a giant squid and Kirk Douglas ever > >>caught on film... On Tue, 27 May 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Hey, I just got this on DVD... did the TV version look good or did they use > the old, horrific transfer? Man, I love that film. Even the cheesy bits. > James Mason rules. The bonus stuff on the DVD is incredible... every > underwater-filming accident recorded from 3 angles. It looked good to me once I had boosted the brightness and contrast by about 25%. Definition was fine but the whole thing seemed dark in comparison to the glossy advert breaks. I hadn't previously noticed that in this fifties' Disney kids' film, the hate-filled Captain Nemo appears to have an orgasm while the Nautilus is ramming the phosphate-loaded ship from "that hated nation" (who they, anyway?). And I love the fascinating opposition of personalities between the unreflective extrovert harpooner and the moody introverted anarchist intellectual mastermind. Or am I just reading too much into it? Next stop Patrick Troughton and Bobby Driscoll in "Kidnapped"... - - Mike Godwin n.p. JRRT reading in elvish... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:02:29 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: Alas more squid than boobs, but bonus profanity! "Rex.Broome" said: < > The album isn't released until June 24, until then rampant speculation is all there is... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:50:09 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Comedy Following the recent discussion on comedy films, I thought all you listophiles might like to see the Independent's "10 most influential comedy films": Some like it hot (1959) Dumb and dumber (1994) Kind hearts and coronets (1949) The graduate (1967) The general (1927) This is Spinal Tap (1984) Annie Hall (1977) Bringing up baby (1938) The producers (1968) Airplane! (1980) Following the success of my recent quantitative posts, I have done a statistical summary of the dates of these films in order to establish the ideal year in which to have made a comedy classic: Descriptive Statistics Variable N Mean Median TrMean StDev SE Mean 10 1964.3 1967.5 1965.2 21.2 6.7 Variable Minimum Maximum Q1 Q3 1927.0 1994.0 1946.3 1981.0 I would interpret this to mean that the ideal year to make a comedy classic was 1964, but the "typical" year was 1967. Thus "The graduate" is the most typical influential comedy film (and I haven't even seen it!). On the other hand, any year between 1946 and 1981 looks reasonable. More spurious analysis will be available on demand. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:51:45 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: naughty words and a-holes >Natalie: > >>A woman bitched me out because I had the temerity to step in front of >her > >>friend. > >>Being short really sucks > >Wow, how short was her friend? She was a couple of inches shorter than me, maybe five feet even. > >>I spotted a guy in a Wilco shirt and, later, a guy in a Son Volt > >>shirt. But they didn't throw down, alas. > >Forgive my ignorance, but does the emnity still hold amongst the hardcore >fan base? Yeah, on Postcard there's periodic outbreaks of Jeff vs. Jay battles. I inadvertantly started one myself by innocently asking why Tweedy was on Chunklet's "Top 100 Assholes in Rock." (He ranked at #13, just above Steve Albini but below Farrar who was in the top 10.) This sparked a week-long fight about whether Jeff or Jay was a bigger asshole. I can't remember who won. Oh, re. censorship on radio, at WCBN there was no beeping, and despite extremely dire warnings from the program director, people often "accidentally" played cuss-words on the air. I've done it myself... always genuine accidents in my case - I swear it! :P I never suffered any consequences, though. Informed that I could not say "asshole" on the air, I used "a-hole" for my feature on the aforementioned "Top 100 A-holes in Rock." Of course, sometimes I had guests who did not follow FCC guidelines... (looks meaningfully at Mr. Tews) n., hoping to write a post soon that does not mention Messrs. Tweedy or Farrar _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:34:57 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Chris Langham Did you miss the excellent Roy Mallard series recently? It was pretty much one of the funniest, most well-scripted comedies I've seen, especially the Estate Agents episode... Also, on the subject of 20,000 leagues under the sea, two things: What a fantastic actor James Mason was; didn't Kirk Douglas look like the gayest sailor ever to do battle with a giant squid? Cheers Matt >From: Michael R Godwin do any of you Britfegs know what Chris Langham's doing these > > days? He's done some seriously funny 'pointless interview'-type stuff. > >The most recent show I saw him in was a counselling sitcom with the tubby >woman who gets everywhere nowadays - Caroline Quentin from 'Men behaving >badly'. Apparently it was called 'Kiss Me Kate'. Not v good, anyway. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Build your own online music collection when you sign up for MSN Music Club! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:48:55 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Nipples are pretty easily blurred anyway I liked "White Teeth" pretty well, actually. I'm sure that makes me lame, but my reading times is almost as squeezed as my filmgoing time, so odd choices get made from time to time. ____ The "Must-Shit-TV" episode of South Park was actually all about this phenomenon. The startoff was that Cartman was excited that a network show, "Cop Drama", was going to say "shit" on the air and there was all kinds of hype about it. This has actually happened on American Network TV. There've been the escalating "parental warnings" on NTPD Blue. But then there was the much-heralded use of the phrase "Shit happens" on Chicago Hope (allowed because it was "dramatically motivated"), and later on the same show an exposed breast (allowed because it was a reconstructed breast and therefore, umm, a plot point). Anthony Edwards' character was allowed to say "shit" right before he died on ER without much folderol. "Ass", "bitch", and various uses of "pissed" have just slowly become more and more okay, and I heard George Mason say "dicked around" on 24 this year. Of course gay kisses cause more consternation than any of this stuff, so go figure. Radio, who knows? Shock jocks say just about anything. Because anger is hilarious, I guess, and who can deny freedom-loving Americans their mean-spirited jollies? For a while I noticed that, while you couldn't say "goddamn" or "asshole", you could get away with bleeping only the god or the damn, or the ass or the hole. Odd. The worst language I've ever heard on network TV? Bystander tapes of the World Trade Center being hit by the planes. Pretty sure that was the first time a network anchor had to follow up the phrase "Jesus fucking Christ". Is Neil Young funny? "T-Bone" is worth a few chuckles for the first five minutes or so. - -Rex "but Stills is high-larious, just listen to 4-Way Street" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:08:56 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: squidmaniax On Wed, 28 May 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > Did you miss the excellent Roy Mallard series recently? It was pretty > much one of the funniest, most well-scripted comedies I've seen, > especially the Estate Agents episode... Missed that one. The last comedy I laughed at consistently was Jim Broadbent and David Schneider in "The Peter Principle" - particularly the episode with the squirrel... > Also, on the subject of 20,000 leagues under the sea, two things: What a > fantastic actor James Mason was; If you're lucky, you can catch some great James Mason performances by switching on the TV at random. I saw the one where he is the drunk on the way down who discovers Judy Garland on the way up (what's that called, when you cast the alcoholic as the non-alkie and v.v.?) and he was excellent. He's also very good as the crazed musician with Ingrid Bergamn, IIRC. I could look these up but I'm not getting enough marking done. > didn't Kirk Douglas look like the gayest sailor ever to do battle with a > giant squid? I'd like to see some more footage of gay sailors battling with giant squids before I make up my mind [thinks: would you _really_?]. It did strike me, however, that this is the film in which he looks most like Michael circa 'Romancing the stone'. Slainte - - Mike G ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:58:51 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: naughty words and a-holes >Yeah, on Postcard there's periodic outbreaks of Jeff vs. Jay >battles. I inadvertantly started one myself by innocently asking >why Tweedy was on Chunklet's "Top 100 Assholes in Rock." (He ranked >at #13, just above Steve Albini but below Farrar who was in the top >10.) Got a link to that list? Eb, hoping Mike Love made a strong showing PS Yesterday, I heard that "St. Elsewhere" was the first (primetime?) TV show ever to say the word "testicle." Huh. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:08:39 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Comedy >Following the recent discussion on comedy films, I thought all you >listophiles might like to see the Independent's "10 most influential >comedy films": > >Some like it hot (1959) >Dumb and dumber (1994) >Kind hearts and coronets (1949) >The graduate (1967) >The general (1927) >This is Spinal Tap (1984) >Annie Hall (1977) >Bringing up baby (1938) >The producers (1968) >Airplane! (1980) They included Buster Keaton over Chaplin? And where's *Animal House*? Maybe Dr. Strangelove? And since when is The Graduate just a "comedy"? Meanwhile, American Pie is rushing further up the ranks with every passing month.... Not too impressed with that list, but it would take reams of research to assemble a definitive one of my own. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:42:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Puffed up LONDON -- Former Beatle Paul McCartney and his wife Heather Mills are expecting the couple's first child, their spokesman said Wednesday. In a brief statement, the couple said "we are delighted with this happy news." Mills, a 34-year-old former model who lost a leg in a motorcycle accident and raises money for children disabled in war, married McCartney at an Irish castle in June 2002. The spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the baby is due later this year. He did not say what month. The child will be the first for Mills, who was married briefly in 1989. McCartney, 60, has three adult children, Stella, Mary and James, and a stepdaughter, Heather, from his marriage to his first wife, Linda McCartney, who died in 1998 from breast cancer. Three months ago, Mills said in a television interview she feared she would never have a child because of a series of health problems, including cancer and two ectopic pregnancies. "The chances of me getting pregnant are about that much," she said, holding up her thumb and finger an inch apart. - ----- PS I'm apparently a "super-fan" now..... http://www.shindig-magazine.com/reviews-june2003-1.html?flash=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:04:50 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Comedy on 5/28/03 8:50 AM, Michael R Godwin at M.R.Godwin@bath.ac.uk wrote: > I would interpret this to mean that the ideal year to make a comedy > classic was 1964, but the "typical" year was 1967. Thus "The graduate" is > the most typical influential comedy film (and I haven't even seen it!). "That idea is half-baked, Benjamin" "Oh no, it's fully baked" Dustin Hoffman was god, circa 1967. In "not-god" film news, Vincent Gallo may have hit his peak with "Buffalo '66" - -tc, it smells like onions in here... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:08:25 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Look at the dust cover on that! Of interest to a select few: http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory.asp?id=09f14d81- 05b5-4693-8fc6-575157809119 Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:37:04 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Bong, James Bong The most fun since Charlize Theron smoking an apple pipe. I wish I could take credit for the title: http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=123407 Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:25:36 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Puffed up On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:42 PM, Eb wrote: > http://www.shindig-magazine.com/reviews-june2003-1.html?flash=1 SHIVAS HEADBAND Coming To A Head (Akaram; CD) I saw these guys live. And Nektar, for that matter. But not at the same time. - - Steve - ---------- This big deal about Bush landing on an aircraft carrier? Talk about a 6-year-old kid with a Tonka toy -- we got it here. - Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:07:48 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: six feet down under >on 5/27/03 5:39 AM, James Dignan at grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >> Talking of which, YAY! YAY! YAY! the second series of "Six feet under" is >> finally starting here next week. > >So is it broadcast on NZ TV unedited? I love the show, but even I think its >use of the word "fuck" is sometimes gratuitous. Plus, I think the networks >would have a problem with the gay sex content. I'm really looking forward >to this year's season finale, which I hope is better than "24"'s. oh yesindeedy. Unedited. Lots of use of the f-word, a couple of uses of the c-word in earlier series, ISTR, and a jaw-dropping gay sex scene in the "Las Vegas" episode of one of the earlier series, too (not sure which series - two probably - we had the first two run back to back here, apparently, so it's three that's just starting). Several others eries I see mentioned as being on HBO (notably Sex and the City and the Sopranos) also go out here unedited on nationwide free-to-air TV. >Let's remember that James, and other non-North Americans, have yet to see >season two. Preface spoilers!! my fault for the confusion - see above, but thanks. As things are at the moment, (spoiler alert for those who haven't seen series two...): Nate's having an operation, Ruth and the Russian have split up, David and Keith are backt ogether but having problems, Claire is heading to college, Rico's becoming a partner in the firm, and Brenda's leaving. Spoilers would still be appreciated for more recent series, though. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:08:16 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: snoertsploosh >Also, the complaints are arbitrary. I have heard certain >talk show hosts -- Don Imus, Tom Leykis, and Michael Savage the sound of inhaled coffee you hear is due to the fact that, to an NZer, the idea of a talk show host called Michael Savage is identically equivalent (if such a phrase is possible) to an American hearing of a talk show host called Franklin Roosevelt. "Uncle Mickey" is still a national hero among the older generation. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:38:29 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: In the minority I picked up the advance pressing of the new Liz Phair album this week, and personally I like it. Then again, I've been playing the Shaggs--Philosophy of the World a bit lately, so my ears might be starving for ANYTHING else. Does anyone know the title of the new album?--mine is just labeled "advance cd". It's a bit slick, but it's not the horror story I've been told it was. If you don't want to take the whole plunge, there is also a promo only CD "retrospective", which I also picked up, with two tracks from each album (3 from whitechocolatespaceegg), including the dreaded H.W.C. which was mentioned by someone earlier. Later, Marc Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? Jack Handey ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #193 ********************************