From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #180 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, May 18 2003 Volume 12 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Soft Boys 25-Oct-02 (fwd) [broadway jack ] Re: boiling hot [gshell@metronet.com] Re: Black commentary on the neo-cons [Barbara Soutar ] Re: ooops [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Radiohead (0% Robyn) [Mike Swedene ] Re: ooops [steve ] Another of life's never-ending joys [Eb ] matrix II [Eleanore Adams ] Glass Flesh [The Great Quail ] in my role as the most hated poster in the fegmaniax listserv scene... [J] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:55:54 -0400 From: broadway jack Subject: RE: Soft Boys 25-Oct-02 (fwd) one time at band camp, Dr John Halewood said: >There is a better copy than this going round - I've got some pretty decent >mp3's off it which I think came from our glorious leader (okay, woj). can >make available if required etc etc those mp3s (made from a capture of wfmu's 128kbps mp3 stream) are still available from fegmania at . woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:19:05 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: boiling hot On Fri, 16 May 2003, steve wrote: > On Friday, May 16, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Marcy Tanter wrote: > > > Marcy in (god-forsaken and boiling hot) Texas shouldn't that be 'god-overtaken'? > Boiling hot? Hey Greg, how long does it take to become Texized? Seven > years, I think. > it's variable but seven is a good target. the farther the distance traveled the longer it will take. and if you come through oklahoma you have to add at least 5 years. once you accept that you have become partially mexican you are well on your way. and it is essential that you realize that because then you can drive either a ford or a chevy truck and it makes absolutely no difference. that's one of the great things about being a texan. and just remember, though about 301K people die each year as a result of war, more than 4 times as many die in traffic accidents. ain't that kinda weird? obey traffic laws you fucking twits. and since most of you probably do, that was only directed towards those it would offend most. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:02:33 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: Black commentary on the neo-cons >Not quite: your phrase overstates the "randomness" of what the article >instead refers to as "institutional racism." says Jeffrey with 2 fs > OK, ok, so I don't summarize very well. But I think you'll agree that this is a somewhat useful article? We are in agreement on all of the main points you made about institutional racism. But I think the article makes a good case for destroying the idea that the people in power are all-knowing and totally in control. I believe that people in general are feeling helpless against the wave of the new American superpower. If one assumes that every act of the present American government is just exactly what they had planned, including the disorganization, then you leave yourself feeling helpless against their cleverness. On the other hand, if you acknowledge that they aren't as smart as they claim to be, then there is some hope for outwitting them and shoving them out of power. The Democrats seem to be somewhat cowed by Bush and friends. Therefore, I am worried. And on the theme of Democrats, I just read an interesting statistic that they are twice as likely as Republicans to die in small plane crashes.... a scary thought. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:06:07 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: ooops Barbara misleadingly said: > And on the theme of Democrats, I just read an interesting statistic > that they are twice as likely as Republicans to die in small plane > crashes.... a scary thought. What the statistic referred to was POLITICIANS... not just the average citizen. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:06:12 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: ooops Quoting Barbara Soutar : > Barbara misleadingly said: > > > And on the theme of Democrats, I just read an interesting statistic > > that they are twice as likely as Republicans to die in small plane > > crashes.... a scary thought. > > What the statistic referred to was POLITICIANS... not just the average > citizen. I don't mean to be picking on you - really! - but, uh, are there enough politicians of either party dying in small-plane crashes to make this statement meaningful? And has the person who came up with it compared how frequently Democrats and Republicans fly? - obviously, if (say) Democrats fly *safely* four times as often as Republicans do (i.e., they just fly more, period), that twice as many die as do Republicans actually means they die at a *lesser* rate than Republicans do. Just sounds like one of those statistics that people repeat, w/o its being verified in any way... Sort of like the hoary old "the average male thinks of sex every seven seconds": now how would one verify that? Obviously, if you ask a man, "are you thinking of sex?" or "tell me when you're thinking of sex," he'll (duh) be thinking of sex. Thoughts don't reliably manifest themselves other than as thoughts, so there's a feedback problem here... Someone who actually knows something about statistics may chime in here - I just am curmudgeonly about pseudo-statistics in the media... ..Grumpy Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism lp: Richard Thompson _The Old Kit Bag_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Radiohead (0% Robyn) If anyone is looking for the mastered copy it is out and on the web already. http://poubellelqt.free.fr/httt/ a few cool differences. Herbie now running in OS X.1 (need to do the up thing to X.2) ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:55:27 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: ooops On Saturday, May 17, 2003, at 08:06 PM, (Grumpy) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I don't mean to be picking on you - really! - but, uh, are there enough > politicians of either party dying in small-plane crashes to make this > statement meaningful? As I've probably pointed out far too often, we are very likely two plane crashes away from the Democrats controlling the Senate. But I wouldn't submit that possibility to much statistical analysis. - - Steve __________ One of the president's close acquaintances outside the White House said Mr. Bush clearly feels he has encountered his reason for being, a conviction informed and shaped by the president's own strain of Christianity. "I think, in his frame, this is what God has asked him to do," the acquaintance said. - Frank Bruni, NYT, on Bush's new war ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:10:40 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Another of life's never-ending joys I was running earlier this evening, over three miles from home, and an unseen car drove by and EGGED me! I was able to rinse off in a nearby gas station, but it sure wasn't much fun, running back home with a heavy, soaked shirt and a thoroughly demoralized attitude. Took some walking breaks which I never would have taken, otherwise. I tell ya...when it rains, it pours. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:46:57 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: matrix II I really liked the Matrix II. I would tell all of you to go see it if you have any interest in kung fu action films. This was an american kung fu film. So instead of cheezey taoist/buddist dialogue, there is cheeze judeo-christian overtones. So what? There is 3x more kung fu fighting action in this movie that the first. I bought the first on DVD and only really watch the kung fu scene between Fishburne and Neo near the beginning of the film when i put it on. So if your taste runs towards cheezey kung fu, you will totally love it! I have been learning choy li fut kung fu for about 5 years now, and our Sifu is taking all of us out to see it again once the crowds die down. I know that the line (if I have this right) "You don't really know someone until you have fought them" is going to be repeated endlessly at our sparring matches. One of my friends/sparring partners actually got stabbed on location of filming The Matrix. he was asked to come in to assist (being that he practices kung fu and is a local film student) when they were filming in Alameda, and got injured when they were practicing the choriography. He fully recovered but it took him a whole year to get back into weapon training - he was really shaken up when hit with a sharp weapon. Those props on the set were much sharper than the practice weapons our school uses. My sparring partner and I were talking about Fight Club yesterday. that film may have political messages about consumerism etc, but the bottom line is that the fighting feels good. I think it is the same with Neo and his band of brothers. Fighting feels good. He doesn't have to do it - He is the massiah with better programming. it is unessessary for him to fight Agent Smith at this point - he can just fly away. but fighting does do something to the grey matter, and in the Matrix, as in Fight club, the gray matter works better if it physically fights through the mess. All the philisophical or political stuff comes second to the fight. And, to go on, Buffy's last episode is next week....no more girl fighting roles.....Xena has been gone for a while....girls who fight are just cool.... eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:28:11 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Glass Flesh Woj remarks: >> Bayard has put a lot of effort into the Glass Flesh project, hoping >> only to break even. As most of you know, any profit from the project >> are to be donated to the charity of Robyn's choice. And it is an *excellent* CD. Bayard has given me a bunch for New Yorker-types who may wish one, so if you are in the neighborhood, I can get you a CD and send the money along to Bayardo. I can also mail them as well, so Bayard, feel free to make me your Glass Flesh mailing wing-man! - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 16:59:48 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: in my role as the most hated poster in the fegmaniax listserv scene... Quoting Eleanore Adams : > My sparring partner and I were talking about Fight Club yesterday. > that film may have political messages about consumerism etc, but the > bottom line is that the fighting feels good. I think it is the same > with Neo and his band of brothers. Fighting feels good. He doesn't have > to do it - He is the massiah with better programming. it is unessessary > for him to fight Agent Smith at this point - he can just fly away. but > fighting does do something to the grey matter, and in the Matrix, as in > Fight club, the gray matter works better if it physically fights > through the mess. All the philisophical or political stuff comes second > to the fight. George W. Bush would be proud. > And, to go on, Buffy's last episode is next week....no more girl > fighting roles.....Xena has been gone for a while....girls who fight > are just cool.... Why exactly are girls who fight cooler than men who fight? I think it rather makes a difference *who one's fighting* (and as a Buffy-geek, I will point out that the whole Buffy/Faith thing in Season 3 was about that issue, among others). And certainly, giving women the ability to physically defend themselves is a good thing - but that's not what you're talking about, I don't think. I can get that the physical exercise of fighting (in an organized sense - boxing etc.) is good, and that there's an element of strategy, the use of which can be exhilarating and good...but as a sport, boxing is just plain barbaric. (See, for example, http://tinyurl.com/c2jw - and the writer is a life-long boxing fan and sportswriter. Other issues besides this one involved, of course...) I just have a hard time countenancing anything that primarily involves hitting people for entertainment, sorry. But I'm probably just a pathetic pacifist whose ass would be the first one kicked. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make np: should be Mark Eitzel, given the subject line - but instead it's Richard Thompson _The Old Kit Bag_ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #180 ********************************