From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #176 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 13 2003 Volume 12 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Phoenix area Hitchcock fans [Miles Goosens ] Re: Elephant Ride the Mic ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Snoochie-boochies! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] RE: Richard Thompson ["da9ve stovall " ] a simple affirmation of truth ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: googlism [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] reap [Eb ] Re: Gardener, the Lone Rider [Jeff Dwarf ] Hey, you got baseball on my punk rock [Jeff Dwarf ] More Falkner (no Robyn) [steve ] Re: More Falkner (no Robyn) [Eb ] RE: Black Hole Sung by everyboday [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Reap ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Ride ["Matt Sewell" ] RE: Black Hole Sung by everyboday [Aaron Mandel ] Re: reap [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Black Hole Sung by everyboday [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Going to Miami Beach [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re:Utopia, and even the labels could have a slice ["ross taylor" ] Well, that explains the Spice Girls ["Michael Wells" ] RH Paris Shows [brian@lazerlove5.com] reap [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:05:51 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Phoenix area Hitchcock fans At 01:44 PM 5/12/2003 -0700, Eb wrote: >"Queen Elvis" = sung too damn much. Robynbase has QE at 132 gigs, DC at 106, so you've got the edge, such as it is. I haven't seen Robyn live since 1997, and I don't collect the live shows as avidly anymore, so maybe my impression's out of date. Looks like QE built up its lead in '99-'00, i.e., exactly the period where live Robyn hasn't been a part of my life. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:34:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Gardener, the Lone Rider Jason T: >>I saw Mark Gardener perform solo last month, and his singing was more than >>adequate. He could have improved the last decade or so, though, for all I >>know... I think he actually took *voice lessons* in the US, and if I remember correctly that was during the time he was to have been writing his songs for Tarantula, and is why that record is almost exclusively Bell stuff. So Gardener is officially solo now? He'd been in a band called Animal House, which sucked less than Hurricane (but still sucked, despite also featuring Lawrence from Ride). Gardener's post-Ride, pre-Animal House single "Magdalen Sky" was by far the best ex-Ride effort I've ever heard (the worst being, of course, Oasis). By the way, someone seems to have gotten Wire on my Entertaiment Weekly. Interesting. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:27:13 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Elephant Ride the Mic Eb wrote: > No...I saw Ride at my old stompin' ground Bogart's in April, 1991. > Much smaller club than the Palace. It closed around 1992, but I've > *still* seen more shows there than at any other venue. I saw Ride live at my old stompin' ground, Tipitina's in New Orleans, in '91. I don't recall how the singing was, but I have a tape of the show, so now that I have a reason to actually listen to it, I will. That very same night The Cure played in front of 100,000 screaming teen girls at the UNO Lakefront Arena, and who should appear at Tipitina's after Ride began taking down their gear but Robert Smith and The Guitar Player Who Wears A Skirt. Mr. Smith was way, way, way altered -- wobbling, pupils as big as saucers, the whole bit. My friend and I grilled him about My Bloody Valentine. "Aw, come on Bob, don't you think My Bloody Valentine are the greatest band ever?" "Who do you like more, Bobby, Kevin or Belinda?" Yeah, well things were different back in 1991, when MBV were still important, so lay off. Oh yeah, worst vocal performance ever? That award would go to Tom Clark's girlfriend, Kim Gordon. Sonic Youth at Liberty Lunch in Austin, 1990 or so. Gut-wrenchingly bad singing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:29:01 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Snoochie-boochies! Eb wrote: > Hot damn...Jersey-snatch! I see, so you're the replacement for Jay in Kevin Smith's next movie. Eb and Silent Bob. Has a nice ring to it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:28:58 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall " Subject: RE: Richard Thompson On Mon, 12 May 2003, Marc Holden wrote: >> Is anyone else going to make it to the Richard Thompson show at the Marquee >> tonight? Let me know if you want to get a pint of Kilt Lifter or two, before >> things start. Really looking forward to this one. I've never seen him >> before, Marc >Make sure he plays "Vincent Black Lightning"! Add to that: Make sure he plays the song he wrote for Madonna's wedding. It's hilarious. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:28:12 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: a simple affirmation of truth >I'll tell ya, as much as I love Kim, she can be quite the bitch sometimes. >I mean all this "look Jim, we were doing just fine before you came along. >So, if you keep saying I don't know how to tune my instrument, you can just >go back to sucking John Zorn's dick!" Chill girlfriend! But Thurston's >cool though. He's always asking me about being "avant garde" and >"intellectual". I usually just throw him some line about Paris in the '20s >and that keeps him thinking for a while. Tom, you rule. n. (and is O'Rourke going back to working at Apple any time soon?) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:01:29 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: googlism >robyn hitchcock is not represented in any way by world of lobster okay... so who's going to add that to their sig file? >robyn hitchcock is tomorrow night that has a certain surreal je ne sais quoi >robyn hitchcock is the "q I didn't realise he'd even been in "Star Trek: The Next Generation", but he'd be great in the role. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:56:00 -0700 From: Eb Subject: reap LONDON (Reuters) - Noel Redding, bass player in the band of legendary rock guitarist Jimi Hendrix, has died, his manager said on his Web site. "Noel passed away. Noel Redding Born 25th December 1945, Died 11th May 2003," manager Ian Grant said on his Web Site, www.trackrecords.co.uk. "Noel reunites with Jimi and his mother Margaret who died only a few weeks ago," he wrote. He gave no details of the circumstances of Redding's death. Experience Hendrix, the company that looks after the guitarist's catalog, also confirmed his death on its Web Site, www.jimi-hendrix.com. Redding, along with drummer Mitch Mitchell, backed Hendrix on the 1967 debut album "Are You Experienced," an instant classic which introduced Hendrix as a singer, composer and above all virtuoso of the electric guitar. With songs like "Purple Haze," "Hey Joe" and "The Wind Cries Mary," and a sound that mixed hard rock with blues and soul, it was one of the most influential albums in a year that saw such classics as the Beatles' Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. The trio recorded several more landmark albums until Hendrix dissolved it shortly before his death in 1970. In recent years, Redding was said to have complained about difficulties winning royalties for some of his recordings. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Gardener, the Lone Rider "Rex.Broome" wrote: > I think [Mark Gardener] actually took *voice lessons* in > the US, and if I remember correctly that was during the > time he was to have been writing his songs for > Tarantula, and is why that record is almost exclusively > Bell stuff. I thought that was because he left the band after doing that one song early on in the recording because he had grown to hate Bell's guts (though they apparently are all right now). Not that anything was going to help Tarantula. When cover art that lame is the best thing about an album, it's time to pack it in. > So Gardener is officially solo now? He'd been in a band > called Animal House, which sucked less than Hurricane > (but still sucked, despite also featuring Lawrence from > Ride). Gardener's post-Ride, pre-Animal House single > "Magdalen Sky" was by far the best ex-Ride effort I've > ever heard (the worst being, of course, Oasis). > > By the way, someone seems to have gotten Wire on my > Entertaiment Weekly. Interesting. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Hey, you got baseball on my punk rock Johnny Ramones meets Billy Beane. No Robyn mentioned, but there is Roxy Music, John Wetteland, and Siouxsie. http://www.chinmusic.net/jramone.html ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:06:52 -0500 From: steve Subject: More Falkner (no Robyn) Here's a bit on the new band Jason Falkner is in, TV Eyes - http://www.ent-today.com/5-9-03/falkner-feature.htm And this might be Feggy, or at least Burtonish - http://www.filmaxanimation.com/nocturna/teaser.htm - - Steve __________ The right to privacy is a right that was created in a law that set forth a (ban on) rights to limit individual passions. And I don't agree with that. - Rick Santorum ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:52:39 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: More Falkner (no Robyn) All hail Linkboy: >Here's a bit on the new band Jason Falkner is in, TV Eyes - > >http://www.ent-today.com/5-9-03/falkner-feature.htm I had a short Instant Message conversation with Falkner on Friday night. I was specifically asking him about TV Eyes, because I'm debating whether to go to the show tomorrow (big-time television conflicts, of course). He said TV Eyes sounds pretty different from his solo stuff. I recall him using words like "dark," "angular," "cold wave".... I gathered that TV Eyes is a lot more synthetic than might be expected. I didn't really like that Logan's Sanctuary album much, so I'm not sure this material will grab me. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:00:04 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Black Hole Sung by everyboday Quoting Michael Wells : > Rex dryly observes: > > Now if Steve & Eydie could be persuaded to duet on "Big Dumb Sex", > THAT > > would be a record. > > Heh - my favorite SG song ever. Contains the immortal... > > "I know what to do / I'm gonna / f*ck / F*CK / f*ck / F*CK YOU! / (echo: > 'f*ck you') / Yay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay-ay" (repeat) I'm not familiar with this track - but I'm not sure why you'd edit the word "firetruck" in the way you do (or why anyone would write a song with such lyrics). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:04:44 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: Phoenix area Hitchcock fans > On Mon, 12 May 2003, Marc Holden wrote: > > Is anyone else going to make it to the Richard Thompson show at the Marquee > > tonight? Let me know if you want to get a pint of Kilt Lifter or two, before > > things start. Really looking forward to this one. I've never seen him > > before, Marc > > Make sure he plays "Vincent Black Lightning"! > > - Mike > He did, and the rest was quite enjoyable, too. It was well mixed, adjusted for the venue--an odd compliment to give, I'm sure, but the sound was excellent, especially considering the basic acoustics of the venue. Richard was also very pleasant, and hung around afterward to talk. If you were considering seeing him this tour, decide "YES!". You'll really enjoy yourself. Later, Marc If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did." Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:39:06 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Reap I'm sure I'm not the first to post this, but being first isn't the point here... I really not happy to hear that Noel Redding passed away. I've been listening to a massive amount of Hendrix stuff over the last couple of years and had really enjyed his efforts, even if in the trio, Hendrix and Mitch Mitchell were the standouts. This is really sad to hear... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:16:22 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Ride He's been walking around Oxford with that look at me/don't look at me I'm a famous rock star face on, as well as releasing a couple of pisspoor releases as The Animal House. On the other hand Laurence from Ride, though I don't know what he's been doing all these years, is a diamond geezer... Never could see much in them there shoegazers, though MBV were undeniably excellent (though abysmal live). I saw ride in 1990, they were supporting a friend's band, the god-awful and god-awfully named FBI, at the Co-op Hall (now The Zodiac)... Cheers Matt >From: "Jason R. Thornton" >>I didn't even know Gardener had/was doing anything since >>Ride, and had kinda assumed he'd gone civilian. > >I'm not sure what he's being doing in all that time. When I saw >him, at the beginning of April, he played some Ride songs and some >new material from a solo album he hopes to release soon. Just him >on acoustic guitar, although a couple of members of the local band >The And/Ors joined him for a couple of Ride tunes. > >--Jason > >np: Blur - Think Tank - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send music and picture to your friends with MSN Messenger. Download it FREE here. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: Black Hole Sung by everyboday On Tue, 13 May 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I'm not familiar with this track - but I'm not sure why you'd edit the > word "firetruck" in the way you do (or why anyone would write a song > with such lyrics). You're clearly not a fan of Mike Doughty, whose song "Firetruck" goes "Firetruck / firetruck / firetruck // firetruck / firetruck / firetruck". a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:12:46 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: reap On Mon, 12 May 2003, Eb quoted: > Redding, along with drummer Mitch Mitchell, backed Hendrix on the 1967 > debut album "Are You Experienced," an instant classic which introduced > Hendrix as a singer, composer and above all virtuoso of the electric > guitar. > > With songs like "Purple Haze," "Hey Joe" and "The Wind Cries Mary," and > a sound that mixed hard rock with blues and soul, it was one of the most > influential albums in a year that saw such classics as the Beatles' Sgt > Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. * This is ever so weird for an oldie like me to read, because none of these songs is on 'Are you experienced' as released in the UK in 1967. The original track listing is given at: All those tracks were singles, and in those days singles were hardly ever duplicated on album in the UK. > The trio recorded several more landmark albums until Hendrix dissolved it > shortly before his death in 1970. * This isn't true either. "Axis: Bold as Love" was the only other studio album completed by the original Experience. Both Redding and manager-producer Chas Chandler walked out during the recording of their third studio effort, "Electric Ladyland", which was completed using session musicians and friends, including Jack Casady from the Airplane. * Although Redding's photo appears on EL, and he was announced as having rejoined the band a year or so later, Hendrix made it clear that he never wanted to work with Redding again, and always used another bass player on subsequent tours, including the disastrous Billy Cox, who had a breakdown on the last European tour. He also worked with another bassist called Billy, whose surname I have forgotten. > In recent years, Redding was said to have complained about difficulties > winning royalties for some of his recordings. * Redding's book about the Experience is very interesting, but depressing in parts. Whether you believe the Redding-Chandler line that Hendrix just lost it through taking too many drugs, or the pro-Hendrix line that he needed to break out of the rock trio format in order to develop along more experimental paths, Hendrix's career was a badly-managed tragedy. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Robyn Hitchcock, "Are you experienced", Yarmouth, 1995 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:54:54 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Black Hole Sung by everyboday Quoting Aaron Mandel : > On Tue, 13 May 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > I'm not familiar with this track - but I'm not sure why you'd edit the > > word "firetruck" in the way you do (or why anyone would write a song > > with such lyrics). > > You're clearly not a fan of Mike Doughty, whose song "Firetruck" goes > "Firetruck / firetruck / firetruck // firetruck / firetruck / > firetruck". SO it's sort of a stealth cover of the Soundgarden song, then? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:39:52 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: iLoo = hoax Looks like we'll have to piss on Microsoft products in the privacy of our own homes: http://tinyurl.com/bn74 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:35:46 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Going to Miami Beach Hi, well, I just told everyone that I don't want to go to the US and now I do ... ;-) On Sunday a friend and I will fly to Miami Beach for two and a half weeks. The occasion is unfortunate: he has back problems and wants to see a Chinese doctor practicing there; he's helped him before when he was "on tour" in Italy. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the trip. I've only been to Tallahassee, Jacksonville Beach and Tampa during a Feelies tour. My sister went to Miami last year and she liked it a lot. Of course now I wonder if you guys have any suggestions about what I could do there. Are there good clubs in Miami? Do I *have* to rent a car to go around or are there alternatives? Any and all ideas are appreciated ... Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:18:55 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re:Utopia, and even the labels could have a slice Catching up a bit... Rex-- >One wonders if the labels have Vault Overlords who are familiar with >everything they own, what is and isn't in print, where all the masters are >and in what condition etc. Well, actually one doesn't wonder that much ... >and they don't seem any too on top of things. As one who went into a major tizzy about whether to spend what seemed like big bucks on one unreleased track by Tintern Abby (I didn't), this is an important issue to me. I suspect many people involved are being dumb like a fox, that it's in their interest to do so, similar to the concept of planned obsolescence. I mean the thing a couple of years ago when they supposedly found an undiscovered Beatles tape "and it's a rocker!" -- oops, it's just the instrumental track for "Hey Bulldog," and isn't that supposed to be a song where any rock fan can "name that tune" in six or fewer notes? Same thing happened when reasonably small, nice Westside was exhuming Procol Harum rarities, they found a long lost track "and it's a rocker!" -- oops, it was a track any fan knew, in essentially the state it is known. THe value of these mistakes presumably being creating a momentary press blip. But the mistakes in the recent Stones remasters are bizarre -- the bad version of Ruby Tuesday, etc -- is quality control that bad, or is there always some element of wanting to keep something in reserve? >It'll never happen. Anyway, I guess this post is redundant. Ross Taylor "Hey, Ethel, there's a Howard Johnsons, wanna eat some CLAMS?" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:52:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: reap >including the disastrous Billy Cox, who had a breakdown >on the last European tour. >How so? >But the mistakes in the recent Stones remasters are bizarre -- the bad version of Ruby Tuesday, etc Hadn't heard about this, either...the new remaster accidentally includes a bad alternate take? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:23:34 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Well, that explains the Spice Girls Report: U.K. Doctors Took 20,000 Brains By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writer http://tinyurl.com/boeb Man, that's about 28 *tons* of brains. Which would be a great band name. Michael "but does it explain cricket?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:27:56 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: reap > >But the mistakes in the > recent Stones remasters are bizarre -- the bad version of > Ruby Tuesday, etc > > Hadn't heard about this, either...the new remaster accidentally > includes a bad alternate take? From http://lukpac.org/stereostones/stones-cd-faq.txt : "Finally, in the biggest potential gaffe of the reissue program, ABKCO clearly pulled the wrong tape of "Ruby Tuesday." This will be discussed in greater detail in the "song section" for "Ruby Tuesday," but in brief, there seems to be a missing vocal overdub in the chorus. This does *not* seem to be merely the result of processing, and seems to be a genuine mix variation, albeit one which has never seen the light of day until now. Frankly, it's puzzling how this made it out of the gate (note that the Singles Collection now seems to feature a mono reduction of this version!)." +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:35:12 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: RH Paris Shows Any word, review, or setlists from the Paris shows last week? - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:44:59 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: reap Noel Redding, 57 (hopefully Eb has heard of him) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #176 ********************************